MyLadiesDaddy Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 Sorry granny I just can't help myself. LOL but I shall try and be polite. Thaiexpat, no matter how much the devil attempts to manipulate God's word it will always stand. Assuming you know your scriptures, let us begin. When in Genesis the bible/Torah tells us that God breathed life into man it was referring directly to Adam (sorry not Montana). Scriptures tell us that this man was formed out of the dust. That's to say dirt or ground. Adam was an inanimate thing until God breathed life into him. We then see that God maid Eve (the first woman) not from dirt but from the rib of the man he breathed life into. (Getting the idea yet? ) We also know that as God created them perfect and without sin that they were to be the only ones. But because the devil tempted Eve sin first entered the world. God therefore expelled them from the garden giving certain commands. One of which was to be fruitful and multiply. Thereby giving them the power to PROCREATE. God did this because he had a plan to bring forgiveness to man because Adam had sinned. And that plan required man to PROCREATE so the only sinless man ever to live could be born. The lesson is simple, God breathed life into Adam, created more life from his rib, and commanded them both to PROCREATE. At that point life began at conception. What exactly do you think life is? Most people will tell you that the very definition of life is when something grows. An ovary is impregnated by a seed instantly it begins to grow. THAT'S LIFE whether you admit to it or not. And with life comes the consequences of our actions. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaiexpat Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 Sorry granny I just can't help myself. LOL but I shall try and be polite. Thaiexpat, no matter how much the devil attempts to manipulate God's word it will always stand. Assuming you know your scriptures, let us begin. When in Genesis the bible/Torah tells us that God breathed life into man it was referring directly to Adam (sorry not Montana). Scriptures tell us that this man was formed out of the dust. That's to say dirt or ground. Adam was an inanimate thing until God breathed life into him. We then see that God maid Eve (the first woman) not from dirt but from the rib of the man he breathed life into. (Getting the idea yet? ) We also know that as God created them perfect and without sin that they were to be the only ones. But because the devil tempted Eve sin first entered the world. God therefore expelled them from the garden giving certain commands. One of which was to be fruitful and multiply. Thereby giving them the power to PROCREATE. God did this because he had a plan to bring forgiveness to man because Adam had sinned. And that plan required man to PROCREATE so the only sinless man ever to live could be born. The lesson is simple, God breathed life into Adam, created more life from his rib, and commanded them both to PROCREATE. At that point life began at conception. What exactly do you think life is? Most people will tell you that the very definition of life is when something grows. An ovary is impregnated by a seed instantly it begins to grow. THAT'S LIFE whether you admit to it or not. And with life comes the consequences of our actions. Sorry Dude, but I don't follow what you are saying AT ALL. Why did you address your post to me? I am really confused. Again, sorry. Maybe this is like the "SOFA KING" thing that took me a week to figure out! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyLadiesDaddy Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 Sorry Dude, but I don't follow what you are saying AT ALL. Why did you address your post to me? I am really confused. Again, sorry. Maybe this is like the "SOFA KING" thing that took me a week to figure out! I was referring to your post where you claim that God breathes life into every child at birth. That's simply incorrect. God breathed life into Adam and has not had to breathe life since. He gave that privilege to man after Adam sinned. Now life begins at conception when something begins to grow. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaiexpat Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 Ah, no that isn't true at all. I said FROM A JEWISH POV, we consider when you can breathe as the beginning of life and ,Rayzur, a fellow Jew, said the Rabbis consider mother and child as one till birth. I am actually in COMPLETE and TOTAL AGREEMENT with you on this even if it is not in complete and total agreement with the Rabbis. We are told to make our own "moral compass" along the guidance of the elders. I have determined that abortion is murder along with killing people in the name of the State. Therefore, we Jews have a different take on the same verses (books) then do you Christians and since the article (original post) is about Israel-a JEWISH State, having the POV of a few Jews in DV might help explain their actions. that is ALL I was saying. Cheers and thanks for your clarification....Peace 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattyangel Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 Simply said.... It takes life to begin life. "Human life must always be defended from its beginning in the womb and must be recognized as a gift of God that guarantees the future of humanity" ~Pope Francis~ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gymrat76541 Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh here we go again. This is Israel we are talking about. They have a very limited country with limited resources. What they decide to do with their people is - their business & their battle to fight. I know all the pro-life folks wanna weigh in on this one. Buy your tickets/visa and go on over there & fight the good fight. LOL 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodandStaff Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 King David said "you knew me in the womb" (sorry,away from my concordance so I'm not sure of the reference)... Bottom line everything for life is there in the DNA from the moment of conception. Don't know where Isreal stands on that, IMO, it doesn't really matter as they, as well as the entire human race, have benn known to fall short from time to time...that has always been my understanding why we all need a Saviour...just sayin'!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaiexpat Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 King David said "you knew me in the womb" (sorry,away from my concordance so I'm not sure of the reference)... Bottom line everything for life is there in the DNA from the moment of conception. Don't know where Isreal stands on that, IMO, it doesn't really matter as they, as well as the entire human race, have benn known to fall short from time to time...that has always been my understanding why we all need a Saviour...just sayin'!!! You know there is an interesting Jewish folklore in that statement. I was taught that all babies are given the knowledge of the universe while in the womb-knowing all, so-to-speak, but just before we are born, God puts his finger on that point below our nose and above our lip (call the philtrum) and makes us forget everything!! Man! that sucks. However, it is what drives mankind to learn (or relearn) the wonders of this world, universe, etc What is also funny is that Taoist teach the similar idea! Now, who would have thunk! Keep on learning! Its somewhere in there! hahahahaa And just for you Ron-n-Staff: mangoes, bananas, watermelon and GIANT papayas-super cheap! What are you doing there, man?!?! There is a fruit basket just waiting for you here. My treat! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodandStaff Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 I can't wait to take you up on that one!!! I too have run into folks who teach something similar...that we know a lot before we are born...not sure where that theory comes from???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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