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Great post flatdawg. We've seen nothing yet. Major changes (some good and some bad) are coming. It took someone like the big O and his admin to wake up the people. ice

Awesome post Chape. You deserve a bunch of + for stating the facts. Here is some additional data about the once Constitutional Republic that devolved into a democracy. ice The United States Isn't a Country — It's a Corporation! "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." — Preamble of the original "organic" Constitution "We hold these truths to be self-evident. That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness." — Excerpted from the Declaration of Independence of the original thirteen united states of America, July 4, 1776 Fourth of July 2002 has come and gone, and Americans honored the holiday with a renewed patriotic fervor that reminded me of the Bicentennial celebrations of 1976. As is customary, traditional fireworks displays took center stage and scores of people turned out to witness the dazzling show in the summer sky. With mixed feelings, I sat with friends on a crowded Pennsylvania sidewalk beneath a glittering, mesmerizing explosion of color, pondering the keen sense of sadness and betrayal that overwhelmed my spirit. Looking around at the huge crowds gathered for the annual events, I thought silently, "We are not free." In truth, we have not been a free people for a very long time. We celebrate this day in honor of our "independence". We call ourselves a free people in a land of liberty. Our anthems proudly sing the praises of this nation, and we raise our voices, wave our flags and join in song — but how many Americans realize they are not free? This is a myth perpetuated by the powers-that-be in order to avoid any major civil unrest, and to keep us all living under the thumb of a militaristic corporate Big Brother within the illusions that have been created for us. The truth of the matter is this: what freedom has not been stolen from us, we have surrendered willingly through our silence and ignorance. As Americans, most of us have no idea how our freedoms are maintained — or lost. Apparently, our ancestors didn't have a good grasp of this either. It is sad, but it is also very true. Don't point to that beloved parchment, the Constitution, as a symbol of your enduring freedom. It is representative of a form of government which seemingly no longer exists in this country today. The Constitution has been thrown out the window, the Republic shoved aside and replaced with a democracy. The thing is; most people in this country remain unaware that this is so because they simply do not know the truth — what lies beyond the myths. Your so-called government is not going to tell you, either. To even begin to understand what has happened to the Republic, we must look backward in time to the period following the Civil War. We must go back to the year 1871, which was the beginning of the decline of the Republic. When we examine what happened during that time in our history, we begin to piece together this troubling, perplexing puzzle that is "America" — only then should we answer as to whether we are indeed a "free" people or not. So, let's roll backward into the past for a moment. It is time we learned what they didn't teach us in school. It is far more interesting than what they DID tell us. I think you'll stay awake for this lesson. The date is February 21, 1871 and the Forty-First Congress is in session. I refer you to the "Acts of the Forty-First Congress," Section 34, Session III, chapters 61 and 62. On this date in the history of our nation, Congress passed an Act titled: "An Act To Provide A Government for the District of Columbia." This is also known as the "Act of 1871." What does this mean? Well, it means that Congress, under no constitutional authority to do so, created a separate form of government for the District of Columbia, which is a ten mile square parcel of land. What??? How could they do that? Moreover, WHY would they do that? To explain, let's look at the circumstances of those days. The Act of 1871 was passed at a vulnerable time in America. Our nation was essentially bankrupt — weakened and financially depleted in the aftermath of the Civil War. The Civil War itself was nothing more than a calculated "front" for some pretty fancy footwork by corporate backroom players. It was a strategic maneuver by European interests (the international bankers) who were intent upon gaining a stranglehold on the neck (and the coffers) of America. The Congress realized our country was in dire financial straits, so they cut a deal with the international bankers — (in those days, the Rothschilds of London were dipping their fingers into everyone's pie) thereby incurring a DEBT to said bankers. If we think about banks, we know they do not just lend us money out of the goodness of their hearts. A bank will not do anything for you unless it is entirely in their best interest to do so. There has to be some sort of collateral or some string attached which puts you and me (the borrower) into a subservient position. This was true back in 1871 as well. The conniving international bankers were not about to lend our floundering nation any money without some serious stipulations. So, they devised a brilliant way of getting their foot in the door of the United States (a prize they had coveted for some time, but had been unable to grasp thanks to our Founding Fathers, who despised them and held them in check), and thus, the Act of 1871 was passed. In essence, this Act formed the corporation known as THE UNITED STATES. Note the capitalization, because it is important. This corporation, owned by foreign interests, moved right in and shoved the original "organic" version of the Constitution into a dusty corner. With the "Act of 1871," our Constitution was defaced in the sense that the title was block-capitalized and the word "for" was changed to the word "of" in the title. The original Constitution drafted by the Founding Fathers, was written in this manner: "The Constitution for the united states of America". The altered version reads: "THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA". It is the corporate constitution. It is NOT the same document you might think it is. The corporate constitution operates in an economic capacity and has been used to fool the People into thinking it is the same parchment that governs the Republic. It absolutely is not. Capitalization — an insignificant change? Not when one is referring to the context of a legal document, it isn't. Such minor alterations have had major impacts on each subsequent generation born in this country. What the Congress did with the passage of the Act of 1871 was create an entirely new document, a constitution for the government of the District of Columbia. The kind of government THEY created was a corporation. The new, altered Constitution serves as the constitution of the corporation, and not that of America. Think about that for a moment. Incidentally, this corporate constitution does not benefit the Republic. It serves only to benefit the corporation. It does nothing good for you or me — and it operates outside of the original Constitution. Instead of absolute rights guaranteed under the "organic" Constitution, we now have "relative" rights or privileges. One example of this is the Sovereign's right to travel, which has been transformed under corporate government policy into a "privilege" which we must be licensed to engage in. This operates outside of the original Constitution. So, Congress committed TREASON against the People, who were considered Sovereign under the Declaration of Independence and the organic Constitution. When we consider the word "Sovereign," we must think about what the word means. According to Webster's Dictionary, "sovereign" is defined as: 1. chief or highest; supreme. 2. Supreme in power, superior in position to all others. 3. Independent of, and unlimited by, any other, possessing or entitled to, original and independent authority or jurisdiction. In other words, our government was created by and for "sovereigns" — the free citizens who were deemed the highest authority. Only the People can be sovereign — remember that. Government cannot be sovereign. We can also look to the Declaration of Independence, where we read: "government is subject to the consent of the governed" — that's supposed to be us, the sovereigns. Do you feel like a sovereign nowadays? I don't. It doesn't take a rocket scientist or a constitutional historian to figure out that this is not what is happening in our country today. Government in these times is NOT subject to the consent of the governed. Rather, the governed are subject to the whim and greed of the corporation, which has stretched its tentacles beyond the ten-mile-square parcel of land known as the District of Columbia — encroaching into every state of the Republic. Mind you, the corporation has NO jurisdiction outside of the District of Columbia. THEY just want you to think it does. You see, you are presumed to know the law. This is ironic because as a people, we are taught basically nothing about the law in school. We are made to memorize obscure factoids and paragraphs here and there, such as the Preamble, and they gloss over the Bill of Rights. But we are not told about the law. Nor do our corporate government schools delve into the Constitution in any great depth. After all, they were put into place to indoctrinate and dumb down the masses — not to teach us anything. We were not told that we were sold-out to foreign interests and made beneficiaries of the debt incurred by Congress to the international bankers. For generations, American citizens have had the bulk of their earnings confiscated to pay on a massive debt that they, as a People, did not incur. There are many, many things the People have not been told. How do you feel about being made a beneficiary of somebody else's massive debt without your knowledge or consent? Are we gonna keep going along with this?? When you hear some individuals say that the Constitution is null and void, think about how our government has transformed over time from a municipal or service-oriented entity to a corporate or profit-oriented entity. We are living under the myth that this is lawful, but it is not. We are being ruled by a "de facto," or unlawful, form of government — the corporate body of the death-mongers — The Controllers. With the passage of the Act of 1871, a series of subtle and overt deceptions were set in motion — all in conjunction and collusion with the Congress, who knowingly and deliberately sold the People down the river. Did they tell you this in government school? I doubt it. They were too busy drumming the fictional version of history into your brain — and mine. By failing to disclose what THEY did to the American People, the people became ignorant of what was happening. Over time, the Republic took it on the chin to the point of a knockdown. With the surrender of their gold in 1933, the People essentially surrendered their law. I don't suppose you were taught THAT in school either. That's because our REAL history is hidden from us. This is the way Roman Civil Law works — and our form of governance today is based upon Roman Civil Law and Admiralty/Maritime Law — better known as the "Divine Right of Kings" and "Law of the Seas", respectively. This explains a lot. Roman Civil Law was fully established in the original colonies even before our nation began and is also known as private international law. The government which was created for the District of Columbia via the Act of 1871 operates under Private International Law, and not Common Law, which was the law of the Constitutional Republic. This is very important to note since it impacts all Americans in concrete ways. You must recognize that private international law is only applicable within the District of Columbia and NOT in the other states of the Union. The various arms of the corporation are known as "departments" such as the Judiciary, Justice and Treasury. You recognize those names? Yes, you do! But they are not what you assume them to be. These "departments" all belong to the corporation known as THE UNITED STATES. They do NOT belong to you and me under the corporate constitution and its various amendments that operate outside of the Constitutional Republic. I refer you to the UNITED STATES CODE (note the capitalization, indicating the corporation, not the Republic) Title 28 3002 (15) (A) ( ©. It is stated unequivocally that the UNITED STATES is a corporation. Realize, too, that the corporation is not a separate and distinct entity from the government. It IS the government. YOUR government. This is extremely important. I refer to this as the "corporate empire of the UNITED STATES," which operates under Roman Civil Law outside of the Constitution. How do you like being ruled by a cheesy, sleazy corporation? You'll ask your Congressperson about this, you say? HA!! Congress is fully aware of this deception. You must be made aware that the members of Congress do NOT work for you and me. Rather, they work for the Corporation known as THE UNITED STATES. Is this really any surprise to you? This is why we can't get them to do anything on our behalf or to answer to us — as in the case with the illegal income tax — among many other things. Contrary to popular belief, they are NOT our civil servants. They do NOT work for us. They are the servants of the corporate government and carry out its bidding. Period. The great number of committees and sub-committees that the Congress has created all work together like a multi-headed monster to oversee the various corporate "departments." And, you should know that every single one of these that operates outside the District of Columbia is in violation of the law. The corporate government of the UNITED STATES has no jurisdiction or authority in ANY state of the Republic beyond the District of Columbia. Let this sink into your brain for a minute. Ask yourself, "Could this deception REALLY have occurred without the full knowledge and complicity of the Congress?" Do you think it happened by accident? You are deceiving yourself if you do. There are no accidents or coincidences. It is time to confront the truth and awaken from ignorance. Your legislators will not apprise you of this information. You are presumed to know the law. THEY know you don't know the law, or your history for that matter, because this information has not been taught to you. No concerted effort has been made to inform you. As a Sovereign, you are entitled to full disclosure of the facts. As a slave, you are entitled to nothing other than what the corporation decides to "give" you — at a price. Be wary of accepting so-called "benefits" of the corporation of the UNITED STATES. Aren't you enslaved enough already? I said (above) that you are presumed to know the law. Still, it matters not if you don't in the eyes of the corporation. Ignorance of the law is not considered an excuse. It is your responsibility and your obligation as an American to learn about the law and how it applies to you. THEY count on the fact that most people are too uninterested or distracted or lazy to do so. The People have been mentally conditioned to allow the alleged government to do their thinking for them. We need to turn that around if we are to save our Republic before it is too late. The UNITED STATES government is basically a corporate instrument of the international bankers. This means YOU are owned by the corporation from birth to death. The corporate UNITED STATES also holds ownership of all your assets, your property, and even your children. Does this sound untrue? Think long and hard about all those bills you pay, all those various taxes and fines and licenses you must pay for. Yes, they've got you by the pockets. Actually, they've had you by the ass for as long as you've been alive. In your heart, you know it's true. Don't believe any of this? Read up on the 14th Amendment. Check out how "free" you really are. With the Act of 1871 and subsequent legislation such as the purportedly ratified 14th Amendment, our once-great nation of Sovereigns has been subverted from a Republic to a democracy. As is the case under Roman Civil Law, our ignorance of the facts has led to our silence. Our silence has been construed as our consent to become beneficiaries of a debt we did not incur. The Sovereign People have been deceived for hundreds of years into thinking they remain free and independent, when in actuality we continue to be slaves and servants of the corporation. Treason was committed against the People in 1871 by the Congress. This could have been corrected through the decades by some honest men (assuming there were some), but it was not, mainly due to lust for money and power. Nothing new there. Are we to forgive and justify this crime against the People? You have lost more freedom than you may realize due to corporate infiltration of the so-called government. We will lose more unless we turn away from a democracy that is the direct road to disaster — and restore our Constitutional Republic. In an upcoming article, we'll take a closer look at the purportedly ratified 14th Amendment and how we became "property" of the corporation and enslaved by our silence. I am saddened to think about the brave men and women who were killed in all the wars and conflicts instigated by the Controllers. These courageous souls fought for the preservation of ideals they believed to be true — not for the likes of a corporation. Do you believe that any one of the individuals who have been killed as a result of war would have willingly fought if they knew the full truth? Do you think one person would have laid down his life for a corporation? I think not. If the People had known long ago to what extent their trust had been betrayed, I wonder how long it would have taken for another Revolution. What we need is a Revolution in THOUGHT. We change our thinking and we change our world. Will we ever restore the Republic? That is a question I cannot answer yet. I hope, and most of all — pray — that WE, the Sovereign People, will work together in a spirit of cooperation to make it happen in this lifetime. I know I will give it my best shot — come what may. Our children deserve their rightful legacy — the liberty our ancestors fought so hard to give to us. Will we remain silent telling ourselves we are free, and perpetuate the MYTH? Or, do we stand as One Sovereign People, and take back what has been stolen from the house of our Republic? Something to think about — it's called freedom. http://www.serendipity.li/jsmill/us_corporation.htm

October 8 might be the date in conjunction with Hezekiah's Second Pattern. See http://gods-kingdom-ministries.org/weblog/WebPosting.cfm?LogID=2916 for a more complete explanation. ice

Thanks for posting these links quattro. best as they try the evil powers can't hide the truth for very long. ice

Unions have become O's army much like the brown shirts was Hitler's. ice

Are they better off today than they would be if they were still in Africa. I don't see any of them clamoring to go back to their ancestral land. BTW Where did you come up with 22 million? Did you include the Islands and some of the Central and S American countries? ice

The future for Iraq is a 3 way split. Kurdistan, Shiite, and Sunni. They will never get along and only put up with each other as long as they think that the playing field is even steven. Once that changes then all bets are off. Hope it doesn't happen before the RV takes effect. ice

Absolutely a great post. When nations borrow money into circulation it becomes impossible to ever get out of debt., unless they declare a jubilee and throw the scumbags out. Jesus did it with a whip but I am afraid it is going to take a whole lot more now. The debt money system is beginning to unravel but them banksters won't go down without a fight. Libya is a the latest example. Ghadaffi was no longer going to accept the USD for oil and so the banksters caused the turmoil and the rest is now history. Saddam was threatening to do the same thing and ended up losing Iraq. Gold is now the focus as more and more nations are considering using it to support their currencies. How this will play out ref the debt money system is hard to say right now. Here is one take as to why gold is costing more in fiat currencies. ice From Bix Weir of Road to Roota: I remember a few years back somebody told me..."The Road to Roota Theory is too difficult for most people to understand. It's hard enough to understand how the whole concept of precious metals fits into economics much less that there's some crazy conspiracy going on in the background." Over the years I KNEW that comments like this would fade away and people would start to realize that the IS SOMETHING WRONG. That was then....this is now! The latest release from Wikileaks is just one of many revelations coming down the pike when it comes to revealing the Gold/Silver conspiracy. Here's the cable exposing the truth behind the purpose and function of gold manipulation from the U.S. Embassy in China... "The U.S. and Europe have always suppressed the rising price of gold. They intend to weaken gold's function as an international reserve currency. They don't want to see other countries turning to gold reserves instead of the U.S. dollar or Euro. Therefore, suppressing the price of gold is very beneficial for the U.S. in maintaining the U.S. dollar's role as the international reserve currency. " http://cables.mrkva.eu/cable.php?id=204405 This statement pretty much sums up the real motivation behind the entire U.S. Monetary Policy, National Security Policy, National Defense Policy and every other UNCONSTITUTIONAL policy implemented by the U.S. Government Controllers since we went off the Gold Standard in 1971. It's always been about the MONEY. As Mayer Rothschild so aptly put... " Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws." The curtain is falling and WE THE PEOPLE are waking up. There are MANY more revelations waiting in to be released IN SEPTEMBER so be ready! May the Road you choose be the Right Road Bix Weir www.RoadtoRoota.com **If this is still confusing to you listen to this interview I gave back in June...before all this market chaos started... The Webbot Interview: Silver, Gold & The End Of The World As We Know It http://www.roadtoroota.com/public/622.cfm

Climate change is cyclical and always has been. The only real damage from various emissions is our health and to a certain extent erosion on our infrastructure. Whatever effects there may be to weather is very minor. ice

NonLinear...since you brought up the subject of the USA Empire here is a good description of where America is today in relation to it being an Empire. Characteristics of an Empire The Empire Comes Back! Founded as a Constitutional Republic in 1776, has the once great United States of America devolved and reduced herself to being merely another malevolent empire? Here we shall examine this question as we review the facts concerning the present stats of this "Union" "If your God is not your King, then your king becomes your god" An empire assumes the divine attributes of: Indivisibility Infallibility Irresistibility 1. Exercises political control or influence over vast expanded territories beyond its natural or original boundaries -- i.e., Puerto Rico, Philippines, Samoa. 2. Meddles politically in the affairs of foreign nations. 3. Maintains military posts or bases throughout the world. 4. Conducts wars of aggression on foreign soil rather than be restricted to defensive wars only for its own protection. 5. Plays the role of ‘world policeman’ in order to maintain political stability in a region for its own self interest. 6. Has self-assumed powers or interest in the social, physical, economic and educational welfare of the citizens of smaller or lesser nations, i.e., Peace Corps Program. 7. Annexes or offers statehood to nations or territories comprised of alien people – i.e., Hawaii, Alaska. 8. Has an expanded immigration policy. 9. Accepts foreigners into its realm as unskilled laborers. 10. Original citizenry becomes rich, lazy, fat and demands "bread and circuses" (aka "pleasure-treasure" mentality). 11. Has an ostensibly successful economy while national debt increases. 12. Personal wealth increases while personal debt and bankruptcies greatly increase. 13. Economic disparity widens between its citizens, rich and poor ("homeless"). 14. Social classes result - 3 classes in Rome - a. Patricians (elite) b Equites (middle class) c. Plebeians (lower class) sometimes known as bourgeoisie and proletariats. 15. Stipulates and regulates a national health care program,. i.e., Medicare, Medicaid. 16. Regulates and manages a state-run "free" public educational system. In 1863 during the Lincoln administration, the U.S. Department of Education was established with five employees. Its only original official purpose was for the collection of statistics. 17. Pretends to protect the citizens from themselves by removal of their means of protection – i.e., firearms. 18. The centralized government becomes top-heavy, self-serving and is the largest employer in the empire. It then is replete with graft, fraud, waste and inefficiency. 19. Has a powerful foreign political influence exerted upon its leaders in order to influence foreign policy and even to grant favors, i.e. China and Israeli states. 20. Has an abundance of laws (legislative acts, bureaucratic regulations, executive orders and judicial edicts) in order to control the masses and to strengthen its own position claiming infallibility and irresistibility. 21. Continues to make demands upon its citizens to pay for expanded imperial governmental projects by a progressive and gradual increase of a wide range of taxes, duties, imposts and fees. 22. Offers benefits to non-citizens: financial, medical, social, and so forth; largesse which acts as an attraction for increased alien immigration. 23. The size of government is so vast that it cannot effectively "police" its own bureaus, departments and employees so that it creates an ideal climate for political corruption. 24. Gives legal license for moral corruption among its citizens, i.e., judicial decisions such as Roe vs. Wade and the giving to homosexuals a protected class status. 25. Maintains a vast social welfare system, thus creating an atmosphere which greatly fosters and encourages governmental dependence within the minds of its citizen recipients. 26. Creates and maintains a central government "statist" mentality in the minds of its citizens by means of a vast propaganda campaign. 27. The empire's fiat currency, economy and the government's treasury are controlled by a usurious central banking system. 28. Regulates and manages a vast agricultural program, i.e., In 1862 during the Lincoln administration, the U.S. Department of Agriculture was established with ten employees. Its only official original purpose was for the collection of statistics. 29. Builds and maintains a vast highway transportation system. The Romans were master road builders and thus the origin of the phrase "all roads lead to Rome." The original purpose of both the Roman and American "super highway" system was for the rapid and uninterrupted movement of military troops. 30. Decreases the value of human life (abortion and euthanasia). 31. Has a large and pernicious criminal element which results in the empire maintaining a vast domestic police force. 32. Creates and maintains internal civil strife between different ethnic groups due to cultural conflicts and the struggle for ethnic superiority. 33. The descendants of the original citizens eventually become a dispossessed element in society. 34. The religious belief system of its founders and forefathers loses its controlling influence and is replaced with an opposing religion. 35. The memory of its original heritage and the exploits of its ancestral heroes are eventually minimized, diminished, despised and/or simply forgotten while make-believe "heroes" with perverse values are manufactured and; therefore, portrayed as the ideal of the imperial dream. 36. Miscegenation among its subjects is allowed and even encouraged by its political, social, academic and religious leaders. Historical and current empires may differ from each other in their peculiar characteristics but the one common element that all empires possess is that they are held together by FORCE. This force may take the form of economic, political and/or educational coercion, but it always finally results in brutal military force. This force is eventually turned inward upon its own subjects (citizens) in order to demand total allegiance to the state as being supreme. History proves that once a nation has descended into becoming an empire, there is very little hope for its recovery. In the case of the United States, the only hope for redemption is found in genuine individual and national repentance

Here is more news on the currency market that I managed to pick up from a web site at http://stonekingdom.org The bigger picture is the collapse of fiat currencies. Now, as long as everyone understands that insider news is almost impossible to verify, then this is an interesting read and should be taken as speculative until you see other confirming reports. ice For many years, there have been groups of people that have been attempting to go around the current fiat money system, to refund the economy with real reserves, and to eliminate the control of people who run the money printing press. I believe we are genuinely going to see that day very soon. I also believe the Iraqi dinar is one means by which very powerful people had devised to wipe out large amounts of debt that came by pumping and dumping the economy…and they put it in place intentionally. Therefore no lop will come because the plan is to attack the attackers. So behind the scenes, the banker wars are in full swing. I always thought they would attain full control of everything, but it seems people are waking up too fast to control. Look for desperate acts in September that do not succeed in their purpose. I see this morning that Strauss-Kahn was spoken of as being mentally ill. That doesn’t happen by chance. The work is being accomplished to bring down the banking system… Ok, two posts here: 1) Trouble with the German banks and the Euro – The German central bank is a HQ for the money changers and the source of liquidity for the failing Euro. 2) A peak at the secret meeting to re-establish a responsible monetary system. I believe these things have to take place to see the revalue of the dinar…we shall see soon enough… Commerzbank (Germany) – August 2010 to August 2011 (chart) http://quotes.ino.com/chart/index.html?s=NASDAQ_CRZBY&t=&a=&w=&v=d12 In US trading, Commerzbank was worth $9.7 a share in August 2010. You can now buy it on the NASDAQ for $2.97 (26.08.11). This represents a capital destruction of 227% in only one year. This is Germany’s second biggest bank after Deutsche Bank. Commerzbank’s share price collapse has taken its market capitalisation to an even lower level than was reached during the pan-global banking panic of March 2009. Is Germany about to dump the EuroZone project? EuroSceptic hysteria consumes Berlin. To save its banks, Germany is being forced to actively consider leaving the EuroZone. Neither the German Ministry of Finance, or the Bundesbank, or the major German commercial banks can afford to finance the anticipated multi-trillion rising costs of successive EuroZone sovereign default bailouts. Nor is it politically or legally possible, inside Germany, to get a democratic consensus behind such an attempt at EuroZone salvation. Speaking at the Jackson Hole Western Cabal banksters’ wake on Saturday 27th August 2011, Christine Lagarde, Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund, said that Western banks needed urgent recapitalisation. If this is not addressed we could easily see the further spread of economic weakness to core countries, and a debilitating liquidity crisis. The most efficient solution, she argued, would be mandatory substantial recapitalisation. (AB comment: This would be achieved immediately if the $47 trillion World Global Settlement Funds were released, and if the Basel-mandated $10 trillion US Dollar Refunding Project was implemented. Both schemes are fully capitalised and ready to run.) But apart from Washington, nowhere in world economics is the political inertia and policy paralysis more evident than in Germany. The seething discontent in Germany over Europe’s debt crisis has spread to all the key institutions of state. The latest tally of votes in the Bundestag indicates that 23 members of Angela Merkel’s own coalition group plan to vote against the EuroZone bailout package, including twelve of the 44 members of Bavaria’s Social Christians (the CSU). Christian Wulff, the German President, has accused the European Central Bank of going far beyond its mandate with its mass purchases of Spanish and Italian debt. Wulff warned that the EuroZone’s headlong rush towards fiscal union strikes at the very core of European democracy. The Bundesbank has condemned the ECB’s bond purchases and has warned that the EU is drifting towards debt union without democratic legitimacy or treaty backing. Joahannes Singhammer, leader of the CSU’s Bundestag group, accused the ECB of acting dangerously by jumping the gun before sovereign national parliaments had had a chance to vote on the issue. A CSU document released on Monday 29th August 2011, flatly rebuts the latest emergency accord between the German Chancellor, Angela Merkel, and the French President, Nicholas Sarkozy. The CSU says that plans for an economic government for EuroZone states are unacceptable. The document demands treaty changes to allow EMU states such as Greece, Ireland, Spain, Portugal, Italy and France to go bankrupt, and to eject them from the Euro altogether for serial financial abuses. (Release from debt just like Iceland.) [see my blog from yesterday, Has Jubilee begun in Iceland?-JWB] Monaco Colloquium – August 2011. The Great Game approaches its final shake of the dice. Switzerland leads a fifty-seven nation geopolitical board change. The current governments of the US, Japan, UK, Germany, France and Italy are actively excluded from executive decisions concerning the new global gold-backed financial system. It was a step-change moment destined to be savoured by future historians. For the period of a week towards the end of August 2011, a secret meeting of fifty-seven finance ministers from across the globe began the long-prepared-for task of setting up a new international asset-backed financial system. The gathering was a powerful invitation-only colloquium, hosted by Switzerland, which started on dry land in the Principality of Monaco & Monte-Carlo, and then moved onto a major naval vessel in adjacent international waters. Nations represented at the meeting in an official government capacity included Switzerland, The Netherlands, China, Russia, Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay, Venezuela and several Gulf Cooperation Council states. Various positive transnational power groupings were also present, such as the White Dragon Society and the US Pentagon-CIA-NSA reform faction (referenced further down this page under a separate heading). Certain negative fiat-casino players were strenuously refused entry. These included the recently deposed Japanese Prime Minister, Naoto Kan, the Managing Director of the IMF, Christine Lagarde, and all members of the US Nazi-continuum (the Rockefeller-Kissinger-Bush syndicate). For Jay Rockefeller it was like being thrown out of his own funeral. Having last year lost Europe to the Rothschilds, and more recently lost Japan to the White Dragon Society, he was now physically and forcibly removed from the Monaco Colloquium by agents acting for the US Pentagon White Hats. Initially resorting to patrician Illuminati bluster, Rockefeller attempted to talk his way into the Monaco meeting. He was rebuffed. “Do you know who I am?” he demanded. “Yes, I know who you are. You are nobody,” said the host’s man at the door. “The Old World Order is out and a New World Order is about to begin.” Rockefeller raged to no effect and was informed that this was now a brave new world for the young; old mummies like him were merely dust to be swept away. Jay Rockefeller left the entrance, collected a security detail of BlackOps goons, and returned in an attempt to force entry. The Monaco Colloquium summoned its own security and, according to eye-witness reports, Rockefeller and his cowboys were “literally thrown out.” Shortly afterwards, the land-based part of the meeting was adjourned, the attendees boarded a large naval vessel and continued their conference in international waters off the coast. Two of Rockefeller’s BlackOps helicopters buzzed the boat, intent, it is said, on activating listening technology and using electromagnetic pulse weapons to disrupt proceedings. If this is true, the importance of the meeting would be difficult to overestimate. Within moments of the choppers’ appearance, military aircraft, described as jump jets, arrived and forced the helicopters away. The opposition of two openly conflicting and powerful US interest groups (Rockefeller syndicate vs Pentagon White Hats) raises an important, if covert, operational issue. Which faction now controls the clone-labs at Camp David (Maryland) and elsewhere? Whose finger can switch off the sleeper cells? Which prominent clone-lines might be terminated first? This is a large and emerging topic of current concern. More about the use of human clones in American political management can be found here. Another important side-issue arising from the active participation of several South American reformist governments at the Monaco Colloquium, was the confiscation of the Nazi-continuum’s bank assets, BlackOps bases and residential boltholes scattered all over the continent. These have been multiplied and much-developed since the Nazi diaspora first established itself in South America in the immediate aftermath of the Second World War. One of the facilities under immediate threat of confiscation is said to be the Bush family hideaway in Paraguay. In the autumn of 2006, George Bush Snr purchased a one hundred thousand acre ranching estate outside Paso de Patria, in the Ñeembucú department of Paraguay. The property is strategically located over the Guarani aquifer. The Bush family first got to know about the ranch through their CIA-linked drug-running activities in the area in the nineteen eighties and nineties. Located near the border with Brazil and Bolivia, the estate offers a range of covert entry and escape routes. Private meetings and arrangements with Paraguay’s then-president, Nicanor Duarte, indicated that there would be no political difficulties with the Bush residence and its security. However, by April 2008, the political situation in Paraguay was beginning to volatilise after decades of dictatorial stability. The Patriotic Front for Change coalition was on the move. Fernando Lugo, a bearded, left-leaning, dissentient Roman Catholic ex-bishop won Paraguay’s Presidential election on the 20th April 2008, decisively upsetting the sixty-year human rights horror-rule of the right wing Colorado Party. Lugo had been actively opposed by the Vatican, ostensibly because of his enthusiasm for Liberation Theology and its spiritual objective of subverting the Paraguayan élite status quo. He was also a powerful and popular advocate of land reforms. In Paraguay, less than two per cent of the population owns more than ninety per cent of the land, and forty per cent of the population lives in poverty. “We have 300,000 families without land and they have the constitutional right to own the soil they live on,” Lugo insists. If the Bush family had made private and personal arrangements with Nicanor Duarte, it is thought unlikely that Fernando Lugo and his government, emboldened by the revolutionary news out of Monaco, will continue to honour them for much longer. The introduction of a new pan-global asset-backed financial system to replace the fiat-paper casino now visibly collapsing in the West has been a long-anticipated reform. That it is now coming to political focus at so many national levels outside the Western Cabal is only to be expected. As the ever-increasing debt-pressures impact on food and energy prices, and on employment opportunities worldwide, political instability is becoming pandemic. The Monaco Colloquium kickstarted the only financial solution which can solve the problem. What was discussed there connects closely with Global Debt Forgiveness, with overcoming the Washington DC corporation’s blocking of the disbursement of the $47 trillion World Global Settlement Funds, with the implementation of the $10 trillion US Dollar Refunding Project, and with the return to an internationally-accepted Gold Standard.

Heavyduty.... Just have to add a big AMEN to your testimony. ice

I suspect that maybe the $9.1T went the same way as the following article posted during the budget debate in congress in July of this year. Fed Loaned $16 Trillion to banks and corporations worldwide, says GAO audit http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=9E2A4EA8-6E73-4BE2-A753-62060DCBB3C3 The first top-to-bottom audit of the Federal Reserve uncovered eye-popping new details about how the U.S. provided a whopping $16 trillion in secret loans to bail out American and foreign banks and businesses during the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. An amendment by Sen. Bernie Sanders to the Wall Street reform law passed one year ago this week directed the Government Accountability Office to conduct the study. "As a result of this audit, we now know that the Federal Reserve provided more than $16 trillion in total financial assistance to some of the largest financial institutions and corporations in the United States and throughout the world," said Sanders. "This is a clear case of socialism for the rich and rugged, you're-on-your-own individualism for everyone else." Among the investigation's key findings is that the Fed unilaterally provided trillions of dollars in financial assistance to foreign banks and corporations from South Korea to Scotland, according to the GAO report. "No agency of the United States government should be allowed to bailout a foreign bank or corporation without the direct approval of Congress and the president," Sanders said. COMMENT: Is anyone asking where the $16 Trillion came from? It did not come from any deposits from you or me or even the US government. The Fed created this money out of nothing and loaned it out at interest in order to create an income. But in so doing, they created $16 Trillion of new money. If the Fed can create money out of nothing, the US government ought to be able to have that same right. If the government had not given that power to this private bank called the FED, we would not have a national debt today. This is the sacred cow that neither Republicans nor Democrats will even discuss, because both parties are owned by the banking interests. This whole budget debate is about where the furniture on the Titanic should be located. Almost all of them ignore the real issue, which is nationalizing the Fed. As for me, I'm "FED UP." ice

Markinsa; Couldn't pass up in responding as what you asked and quoted is of utmost importance. First of all in answer to your question about saved. 1. Repent of your sins (which is the disobedience of God's Law-Word) 2. Believe that Jesus is the Christ and that He was born of a virgin and died and was resurrected as prophesied. 3. Be baptized.for the remission of sins and as a witness. Although that is a 3 point summary there is a whole lot more to each of these that requires a fuller understanding of the whole Word of God to have a greater appreciation of it. As for communion...it is taken in remembrance of God's work on Calvary, the love He bestowed on His creation and His people, taking on the sins of the world. Again, this is just a summary of a much greater explanation and understanding of god's overall plans and purposes for His creation with the ultimate goal of the complete restoration of all things. Trust this helps a little towards answering your questions. ice estewart; ALTHOUGH I GET A SENSE OF BITTERNESS IN YOUR COMMENTS HERE I WILL NEVERTHELESS RESPOND TO THEM AS BEST I CAN WITHOUT WRITING AN ESSAY. REF PAUL'S MINISTRY, YES, I HAVE STUDIED HIS WRITINGS AS WELL AS THE OTHER APOSTLES. HE QUOTES THE O.T. QUITE EXTENSIVELY. YOUR OPINION OF HIM HAS LITTLE OR NO SUBSTANCE. CAN YOU BE SPECIFIC ABOUT YOUR ASSUMPTION THAT HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE EARLY CHURCH BECOMING CORRUPT? WHAT IS IT ABOUT LORD'S PRAYER THAT YOU DON'T LIKE? YOU ARE TOTALLY WRONG WITH YOUR ANALYSIS HERE. PETER WAS NOT THE FOUNDATION OR THE ROCK. JESUS WAS / IS. SAUL, BEFORE HIS CONVERSION AND NAME CHANGE, WAS NOT AT THE ASCENSION BUT ONLY REPORTED AND REFERRED TO WHAT OTHERS SHARED WITH HIM. AS FOR YOUR DISLIKE FOR PAUL I HAVE TO ASSUME THAT IT IS BASED ON YOUR OWN DISLIKE OF HIS AND/OR ANYONE PREACHING OF THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST AND HIS LAW-WORD. PAUL PERSECUTED THE EARLY CHRISTIANS BEFORE HIS CONVERSION. AS FOR ALL YOUR ABOVE ASSERTIONS, PLEASE GIVE ME CHAPTER AND VERSES. DO NOT USE A BLANKET STATEMENT LIKE THIS UNTIL YOU HAVE TALKED TO ALL OF THEM I AGREE THAT MANY CHURCHES DON'T HAVE THE UNDERSTANDING ...YET. GOD HAS BLINDED THEM FOR A TIME TO ACCOMPLISH HIS PURPOSES. I HAVE TO AGREE WITH YOU ON SOME POINTS HERE. JESUS SPOKE IN PARABLES TO MAKE CERTAIN POINTS REGARDING PROPHESIES AND THE KINGDOM AGE TO COME. IT WAS NOT FOR THE AVERAGE PERSON TO UNDERSTAND AT THAT TIME AND EVEN HIS DISCIPLES DID NOT IMMEDIATELY UNDERSTAND THEM. THERE WERE ALSO OTHER TIMES WHEN HE SPOKE IN PARABLES THAT HE HAD TO EXPLAIN IT MORE DETAIL. MOST OF WHAT JESUS SPOKE HAD ITS FOUNDATIONS IN THE O.T. WHICH MOST CHRISTIANS HAVE VERY LITTLE KNOWLEDGE OF. UNFORTUNATELY, SOME OF WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT TELEVANGELISTS IS TRUE. CANNED SERMONS DO BRING IN THE BUCKS. MUCH OF WHAT IS BEING PREACHED IS WITHOUT SCRIPTURAL FOUNDATION AND JUST MORE TRADITIONS OF MAN BASED ON A LOT OF PAGAN BELIEFS, SUCH AS HELL AND HEAVEN AS ONE EXAMPLE. SOUNDS TO ME LIKE YOU ARE INTO THE PHILOSOPHY THAT MAN CAN BECOME LIKE GOD THROUGH THEIR OWN EFFORTS. MOST DEFINITELY A DEAD END. IT WAS TRIED BACK IN THE GARDEN AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE THAT GOT US. estewart BASED ON YOUR ABOVE STATEMENT, I HAVE TO CONCLUDE THAT YOU ARE INTO YOURSELF AND THAT YOU DO NOT RECOGNIZE NOR ACCEPT THAT JESUS IS THE WORD AS DESCRIBED IN JOHN 1:1 AND AS THE CREATOR OF ALL THINGS THAT HE IS THE ONLY GOD AND THAT HE DOES RULE IN THE AFFAIRS OF MEN AND THAT ALL WHO DO COME TO ACCEPT HIM FOR WHO HE IS AND WILL REPENT OF OUR UNRIGHTEOUSNESS AND FOLLOW HIS LAW-WORD AND THAT BEING SAVED IS A PROCESS THAT WILL EVENTUALLY BRING US TO THAT GREAT DAY WHEN CHRIST HIMSELF WILL COME TO RULE AND REIGN VIA HIS KINGDOM ON THIS EARTH. THAT DAY IS FAST APPROACHING AS MYSTERY BABYLON IS ABOUT TO FALL AND THE LIGHT OF GOD'S GLORY WILL SHINE THROUGHOUT THE EARTH FOR EVERMORE. ice

heavyduty...did you expect this kind of dialogue from your original post? Brother...you have certainly started a hornets nest here. I've been gone for the day and first thing I did late tonight is check on the replies to this topic. WOW...don't know where to begin. Certainly can't begin to respond to every comment and question. Looks like a lot of oxen were gored here. Truth has a way of antagonizing those who can't let go of their traditions of men. That goes for both Protestants and Roman Catholics. They rather believe what is taught from the pulpits than take the time to do their own investigations and research. If they don't say it outright they most likely think the following subconsciously..."Please, my mind is made up so don't confuse me with the facts." If that is their mindset then hey, who am I to dissuade them from believing what they want to believe. Facts are facts and truth is truth no matter what one might want to believe. Most people believed the earth was flat at one time and that the sun revolved around the earth. Just because people believed it did that make it true? Today science and geology is proving that many things we have believed in the past to be true is in fact wrong. Many Christians are still in a state of denial not realizing that a lot of their beliefs is from the dark ages when science and archeological data was minimal and they depended more on traditions of men with much of it based on pagan fables. Guess I'll get some interesting comments regarding these statements. If this doesn't do it then maybe I'll post a 10 part series on a much more of an in-depth study debunking the so-called rapture doctrine. All right...hit me. ice

Hey there folks; Thanks for all the responses, whether pro or con doesn't matter...just nice to see people thinking and responding. Kind of overwhelming when you think of it. I will attempt to respond as much as possible and as time allows. When I do it will probably be extensive because one cannot do a study with only a verse or two. It requires using scripture to prove scripture and that means the WHOLE Word. I have learned long ago that people will believe what they want to believe and they don't want to be confused with the facts. Man's carnal nature wants it their way and it takes a major change from the old man (carnality) to the new man (spiritual) to begin the journey towards achieving the mind of Christ. It's all a work in progress for all of us and some happen to have progressed further than others towards achieving the status of the Sons of God. Just like salvation is a process towards justification. I could go on and on about this subject itself but will have to deal with it a bit later as I gotta go and get some work done. Hope to get back to this later today and respond to some of your comments regarding the rapture and some other related subjects. ice

imgesing...good question. What do you think? Is God, the Creator of all things, a God of Love for His creation or just for a few of those souls who manage to hear, believe and accept Him. Does it make sense to you that this God of Love would torture those who didn't accept Him to an eternal BBQ pit that the church world believes will happen? Or is it possible that our Creator has a plan and purpose to bring about total restoration of His Creation? It is a huge subject to discuss and one that most churches won't even consider because they are locked in with their false doctrines and dare not debate it. ice

Folks...as you can tell, this is my first post...having joined this forum just a few days ago in search of data regarding the anticipated RV event. However, I couldn't resist commenting on Heavy Duty's post and responses by oatman and Aqua Dude. First of all, let me clarify a thing or two before commenting on Heavy Duty's post. I am a student of the Bible as well as biblical and secular history. A proper understanding of biblical history is a must to properly understand prophesies. The field of archeological studies also help to support historical events. Most Christians do not know biblical history much less secular history and will generally swallow whatever is preached or taught in churches by so-called seminary educated ministers. It is much like our secular educational system...a dumbing down of students where they are only taught what the power brokers have decided for them to be taught. A population that is less informed and less inspired to understanding truth is much easier to control. Many religious systems are much the same. Most modern churches have been deceived with many (denominational) doctrines and beliefs that have no scriptural foundation. The rapture theory is just one of them. Heavy Duty, with all due respect, and I say this with sincerity. I know where you are coming from in your belief of this doctrine. I was raised in a church environment that taught this theory and I really bought into it until I was led to do a full search of scripture and church history to determine if this doctrine had validity. Like so many other church and/or denominational doctrines it has absolutely no biblical foundation. Oatman and Aqua Dude, I appreciate your comments and do hope that you both have done your homework in order to come to your conclusions and statements. Knowing and understanding are 2 different things. We generally know something by hearing or reading, but understanding is the result of studying. That is why God's Law-Word admonishes us in 2 Tim. 2:15 to "Study to show thyself approved............" There is absolutely no doubt that the so-called secret rapture is a hoax. Much like the eternal BBQ pit called Hell. However, that is another topic and a vast one at that. As for the secret rapture, it is something different from the true biblical event referred to as “the catching away, resurrection, coming of Jesus, second coming, return of Jesus, end of the world, or day of Christ.” The rapture theory says Jesus will return suddenly at any moment and secretly take away the Christians leaving behind everyone else to wonder what happened to them. I don’t know where you would find a scriptural basis for such doctrine. It makes a good story line for a novel, but is not scriptural. The bible very plainly speaks of the return of Jesus but never mentions it will be secret in ANY way, that’s why they found it necessary to SPLIT the coming into two separate parts, which is why I call it “Doctrinal Gymnastics”. In Matthew 24:3 the apostles ask Jesus, “Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?” Jesus answering them speaks of different things and then in verse 29 He answers their question about his return. 29. “Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, (these events could hardly be kept secret) and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30. And then shall appear (for everyone to see) the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see (no secret) the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect (this is the catching away) from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.” This is a description of the return of Jesus spoken by Jesus himself. He spoke very plainly and easy to understand. His return will not be a secret. What would the tribes of the earth in verse 30 be mourning about if they didn’t know what had happened–that Jesus had returned and they missed it. ALL over the world today there is an awakening to the near return of the Lord Jesus Christ, and a growing interest in the signs of the times. As Bible believing Christians we rejoice at this phenomenon, yet sad to say, in almost every case the doctrine of the Lord’s return has been mixed in with the teaching that He will return first secretly and ‘rapture’ or take away His Church. Although Church History will show that such a theory has only come into prominence over the last one hundred and fifty years, today it is spreading like wildfire, in books, and even films, and accounts for the teaching in 90% of Full Gospel and Fundamentalist Churches and Bible Colleges, world-wide. This being the case it is our duty as students of God’s prophetic Word to examine this doctrine of the Secret Rapture, and ask ourselves -’Is it Scriptural?’ When we remember that the Secret Rapture theory was virtually unheard of and untaught until around 1830, it is essential to examine its origins first. Such a teaching was unknown to the early Church Fathers e.g. Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, and Tertullian, who were convinced that the Christian Church would pass through great tribulation at the hands of the antichrist system before the return of the Lord. Furthermore the Rapture theory was not taught by the great stalwarts of the Reformed Faith - Huss, Wycliffe, Luther, Calvin, Knox, Cranmer or even by the Wesley brothers in the 18th Century. Whence came this teaching, and where did this novel idea arise? At the time of the Reformation, the first Protestants widely believed and taught that the Papacy was antichrist, and the Roman Church the Harlot System of Revelation 17. It therefore became necessary for certain Romish theologians to take the pressure off the Pope by inventing a new school of prophetic interpretation now known as Futurism. It was a Jesuit priest named Ribera (1537-1591) who first taught that the events prophesied in the books of Daniel and Revelation would not be fulfilled until three and a half years at the end of the age when an individual world dictator called Anti-Christ would arise. Thus Ribera laid the foundation of a system of prophetic interpretation of which the Secret Rapture has now become an integral part. Nevertheless in spite of the efforts of false prophets like Ribera and Cardinal Bellarmine it was not for another two and a half centuries that the Jesuit fables began to gain acceptance by Evangelical Christians. In the early 19th Century Futurism entered the bloodstream of Protestant prophetic teaching by three main roads: (a) A Chilean Jesuit priest, Emmanuel Lacunza wrote a book entitled ‘The Coming of Messiah in Glory and Majesty’, and in its pages taught the novel notion that Christ returns not once, but twice, and at the ‘first stage’ of His return He ‘raptures‘ His Church so they can escape the reign of the ‘future antichrist‘. In order to avoid any taint of Romanism, Lacunza published his book under the assumed name of Rabbi Ben Ezra, a supposedly converted Jew. Lacunza’s book found its way to the library of the Archbishop of Canterbury, and there in 1826 Dr Maitland, the Archbishop’s librarian came upon it and read it and soon after began to issue a series of parmphlets giving the Jesuit, Futurist view of prophecy. The idea soon found acceptance in the Anglo-Catholic Ritualist movement in the National Church of England, and soon it tainted the very heart of Protestantism. (b ) The Secret Rapture doctrine was given a second door of entrance at this time by the ministry of one, Edward Irving, founder of the so-called ‘Catholic Apostolic Church’. It was in Irving’s London church, in 1830, that a young girl named Margaret McDonald gave an ecstatic prophecy in which she claimed there would be a special secret coming of the Lord to ‘rapture’ those awaiting His return. From then until his death in 1834 Irving devoted his considerable talent as a preacher to spreading the theory of the ’secret rapture’. (c ) However, it was necessary for Jesuitry to have a third door of entrance to the Reformed fold and this they gained via a sincere Christian, J. N. Darby, generally regarded as the founder of the ‘Brethren’. As an Anglican curate Darby attended a number of mysteriously organized meetings on Bible Prophecy at Powerscourt in Ireland, and at these gatherings he learned about the ’secret rapture’. He carried the teaching into the Brethren and hence into the heart of Evangelicalism. With a new veneer of being scriptural the teaching spread and was later popularized in the notes of the Schofield Reference Bible. So today the three measures of Roman leaven have corrupted the Prophetic teaching of almost all the Fundamentalist world. Well might we say of the ’secret rapture’, can any good thing come out of Rome? While the Romanist origin of any doctrine is always sufficient to make it suspect, our Final court of appeal must be to the Holy Scriptures, and so we find it necessary to examine some of the favorite ‘Proof Texts’ which are quoted by the Rapturists and see just what they really teach. Our blessed Lord said: ‘But know this, that if the good man of the house, had known in what hour the thief would come he would have watched and not have suffered the house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready for in such an hour as ye think not your Lord will corne.’ Matt. 24:43-44; Luke 12:39-40. The Rapturists tell us that this shows the secret nature of the Lord’s ‘coming for’ the saints, but does it? The only secrecy implied in the texts is in relation to the day and hour of Christ’s coming and there is nothing to indicate that the coming itself is a secret. In fact we are told: ‘The Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a SHOUT, with the VOICE of an Archangel and the TRUMP of God.’ I Thess. 4:16. Nothing quiet about that, is there? Again they refer us to the words: ‘I will come on thee as a thief in the night and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.’ Rev. 3:3. Or again: ‘Behold I come as a thief, blessed is he that watcheth.’ Rev. 16:15. However, in both instances just quoted, the secrecy is in connection with the timing not the nature of the event, and it is exactly the same in the other ‘thief text‘. ‘The day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night’ II Peter 3:10 Here again it is the element of surprise that leads to the use of the thief as a symbol. Peter himself finishes this very same ‘thief text’ by saying that at the time of the Lord’s coming: ‘The heavens shall pass away with a GREAT NOISE’ Not much secrecy about that is there? After all did not Paul tell his readers: ‘But ye brethren ARE NOT in darkness that, that day shall overtake you as a thief.’ I Thess. 5:4. You see, as Christians, they were studying the signs of the times as we should be doing and were ready for Christ’s return. He will only come as a thief for those who are not prepared for Him. Furthermore the very concept of a ‘thief’ must be called into question for, at the time when our Lord and the Apostles spoke, a thief was much more likely to be a bandit or leader of a gang of robbers who swept down on his victims in swift, sudden, but open and daring raids, and he was not a sneak thief or burglar, as we have today. The Rapturists would have us believe that the Lord comes secretly to rescue His people before what they call ‘the great tribulation’ or time of trouble begins. To support this idea they quote the Lord Jesus as saying: ‘As the days of Noah were, so shall the coming of the Son of Man be … then shall two be in the field, the one shall be taken, the other left. Watch therefore for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.’ Matt. 24:37-42. How often we have heard this text used to challenge sinners to come to Christ and of the terrible things that will happen when their Christian friends and relatives have been ‘raptured’. Let us not take the text from its context to make it a pretext. The clear setting and key to the understanding of the verse is: ‘As it was in the days of Noah’, and we all know that then it was the wicked who were taken away and the righteous left to inherit a purified earth. Such a concept of the removal of the wicked is in keeping with the clear teaching given by our Lord in two of His Kingdom Parables. In that of the Wheat and the Tares, we are told that the harvest is the end of the age, when the angels will gather out of the kingdom, the tares, which represent the wicked or those who offend. Again in the same thirteenth chapter of Matthew’s Gospel, we find the Parable of the Dragnet. In its symbolism it is the bad or evil ones who are removed out of the Kingdom for Jesus says: ‘So shall it be at the end of the world (age), the angels shall come forth and sever the wicked from the just.’ Matt. 13:49. If a third witness were needed the Old Testament prophet Isaiah tells us: ‘Behold the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate, and He shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.’ Let me ask you to consider very carefully just who the Lord will ‘rapture’ or remove. Surely it is His intention to give this earth into the possession of the righteous as He said in His Sermon on the Mount. Did not our Lord pray in John 17: 15: ‘I pray NOT that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from evil’? Surely our Lord promised to be with us not until the ’secret rapture’ but ‘to the end of the age.’ Another favorite proof text of the Rapturists is Jude v 14: ‘Behold the Lord cometh, with ten thousands of His Saints.’ Then by coupling this to first Thessalonians 4:16-17 where we are told that the saints will be ‘caught up together … in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air’ they glibly tell us that Christ comes first for His saints, and that He returns with the saints, after either three and a half or seven years - a period of time which they cannot agree on. Once again we find that all is not as simple as they would have us believe. It is indeed true that at His Coming, the dead in Christ together with the living believers will be translated or caught up to meet the Lord in the air, but there is no Scripture to even suggest that He takes them to heaven where they remain for a period of time, be it long or short, and then return with Him. Far from it, they meet the Lord in the air as His entourage or glory train, as earthly courtiers would go out to greet their King, as He is on His way back to earth where His feet will stand upon the Mount of Olives as the disciples were told at the time of His Ascension. So let us look at the verse in Jude which refers to coming ‘with the Saints’. The word translated ’saints’ in our Bible comes from a Greek word HAGIOUS, which means Holy. Since Christ Himself taught that: ‘The Son of Man shall come in His glory, and all the Holy (HAGIOUS) angels with Him. Matt. 25:31 It seems more than likely that the word translated saints in Jude refers to angels. Since the verse referred to in Jude speaks of Christ returning with His saints to execute judgement we would do well to examine another similar verse of scripture which tells us the same thing: ‘The Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on them who know not God, and obey not the Gospel.’ II Thess. 1:7-8. It seems we need not the Rapturists’ theories, for Scripture interprets itself and one verse can often throw light upon another. Let us also remember that the expression ‘ten thousands of His Saints’ is not only in Jude but in Deuteronomy 33:2: ‘The Lord came from Sinai … with ten thousands of His saints.’ There can therefore be no doubt that these ’saints’ were angels, a fact attested to by Matthew Henry’s Commentary, and the extra-canonical Book of Enoch. So much for coming ‘for’ and ‘with’ the saints. Let us look again briefly at I Thess. 4 for here we are clearly told that at the moment the living saints are caught up to meet the Lord the righteous dead are also resurrected. Now if the Futurists and Rapturists are correct and there is indeed a time gap before the Lord returns, or the Day of the Lord occurs, there is surely a grave discrepancy for Martha believed that her brother Lazarus would: ‘rise again in the Resurrection at the last day.’ John 11:24. Job, the Old Testament saint also taught that the dead would not rise until ‘the heavens be no more’ Job 14:10-12 or ‘the latter day’ Job 19:25-27. The order of events in I Thess. 4:16-17 clearly shows what happens at the last day or Day of the Lord is: a ) The trump of God sounds; b ) The dead in Christ are raised: c ) The living saints are translated (not ‘raptured’). There certainly does not seem to be room left here for a time gap of any length. In spite of this clear sequence of events, in their determination to prove otherwise, the Rapturists will still defend their mistaken concept of a coming in two stages, by appealing to the distinction between the two Greek words used, in connection with the coming. These words are Parousia, which they contend is coming first to rapture the believers and Apokalupsis which they say is open, visible coming back with the saints after a lapse of time. In reality there are actually six Greek words used in connection with the return of the Lord. For the sake of simplicity we shall list these words, with their English rendering and go on to show that the inspired writers of the New Testament used them interchangeably to describe not two distinct and separate comings but one event. 1. Parousia - This word emphasises the physical or actual personal presence of the one who comes e.g. ‘Be patient unto the COMING (in person) of the Lord.’ James 5:7. 2. Apokalupsis - This word stresses the ‘revealing’ or unveiling of the one who comes e.g. ‘The Lord shall be REVEALED from Heaven.’ II Thess. 1:7. 3. Epiphaneia - This word is used in the sense of the Glory or Majesty that will be manifested as Christ returns e.g. ‘The APPEARING of our Lord Jesus.’ I Tim. 6:14. 4. Heko - This word is used to emphasise the idea of arrival at a certain point or place e.g. ‘Hold fast till I COME (to you).’ Rev. 2:25. 5. Erchomai - This word is used to imply the actual act or event of coming e.g. ‘Occupy till I COME (make the journey).’ Luke 19: 13. 6. Phaneroo - This word means to render apparent e.g. ‘When He shall APPEAR we shall be like Him’ I John 32. Out of these six words, the one most used is Parousia, but never in the sense of anything that is secret. Paul frequently used this word to refer to the physical presence of himself and others at various locations e.g. he spoke of the ‘coming’ (PAROUSIA) of Titus to him from Corinth, II Cor. 7:6, and again in the same Epistle the ‘coming’ (PAROUSIA) of Stephanas etc. I Cor. 16:17. Again when writing to the saints at Philippi, Paul said that he would be ‘coming’ (PAROUSIA) to visit them. Furthermore Paul spoke of the ‘Coming (PAROUSIA) of the Lord and our gathering together to Him.’ II Thess. 2 as an event seen by all after the appearance of antichrist, not in secret before the appearance of antichrist. Not only Paul but Peter also used these words PAROUSIA and APOKALUPSIS, and actually used them to refer to the same event, the open manifest, coming again of the Lord Jesus. To see this compare I Peter 1:13 to II Peter 3. To confirm that the two words are interchangeable, we find that Matthew in his Gospel referring to the last days says: ‘As the days of Noah were, so shall the coming (PAROUSIA) of the Son of Man be.’ Matt. 24:37. Yet Luke referring to the same event in his Gospel writes: ‘As it was in the days of Noah … even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of Man shall be revealed (APOKALUPSIS).’ Luke 17:26-30. Surely this is proof if it is still required that the idea of two comings is at best a nonsense and at worst a deliberate deception. Before leaving this issue we should also say that the other Greek words listed previously can also be used interchangeably, although implying various shades or degrees of meaning. EPIPHANEIA is used to refer to the Lord returning to destroy antichrist: ‘with the brightness of His COMING.’ II Thess. 2:8. Certainly nothing secret about that event. PHANEROO can be found in I Peter 5:4. ‘When the chief Shepherd shall appear ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.’ Without doubt the crowning glory of the saints at the Lord’s return will be open and for all to see. ERCHOMAI and HEKO are actually used in the same sentence to describe the same event: ‘For yet a little while and He that shall come (ERCHOMAI) will come (HEKO) and will not tarry.’ Hebrews 10:37. In the light of these and many other similar verses it is apparent that the original Greek text confounds and refutes the Secret Rapture teaching rather than confirming and sustaining it. CAN CHRIST COME BACK AT ANY MOMENT? Frequently coupled with the Secret Rapture doctrine is the equally misguided notion that Christ can come back at any moment, even tonight, as we so often hear well-meaning Evangelists proclaim. Whilst we do not doubt the Lord’s ability, we do believe that God is the author not of confusion, but of a great plan for the ages. This being the case, and although we are well aware that no man knows the exact day and hour of Christ’s return, it is equally certain that a number of prophecies yet await their complete fulfillment and that not until we witness these things come to pass, can we expect the Lord at any moment. It was this very doctrine which had come into the Church at Thessalonica and made it necessary for Paul to write: ‘Now we beseech you brethren by (concerning) the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by (concerning) our gathering together unto Him that ye be not soon shaken in mind or be troubled, neither by spirit nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand (at any moment), let no man deceive you, for that day shall not come except there come, a falling away first and the Man of Sin be revealed.’ II Thess. 2:13. Now those who believe in the Secret Rapture and that Christ can come at any moment say He will gather the believers before antichrist appears yet the Scripture says the direct opposite. Again like so much of their teaching it is confusion, confounded, and Scripture stood upon its head. IN CONCLUSION: The unscriptural nature of the Secret Rapture doctrine has, instead of preparing God’s people to face the increasingly difficult days ahead, as tribulation intensifies, this doctrine has deluded millions of Christians into a false notion of escapism, and instead of obeying the Lord’s command to resist evil and occupy until He comes, they have been made so Rapture-minded that they no longer even resist the evil, believing not that they will defeat it, but instead be rescued from it. So who is blind as to what the Word really teaches concerning what is truth. isa. 42:18-20 The rapture theory is only one of many false doctrines that are being exposed by the truth from God's Law-Word. God promised to lift the blindness from His people at the end of the age and we are certainly witnessing that this is indeed happening. It is not my intent to cause conflict in stating truths but unfortunately many prefer believing lies because its more comfortable and appeasing to our carnal nature. I pray that the explanations regarding the time of harvest (of the tares) causes many to better understand scriptural truths rather than man's traditions. ice