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Tyron and Weapon X. You guys have certainly studied this subject very well. And it seems that you have a grasp of what you are discusing. I am impressed with both of you. As I said before I have no formal education from which to draw my opinion from. But what I do have is personal experience and while it isn't on as large a scale as the towers, still I believe that the observations would be valid. 1. Tyron, You have mentioned several times that all of the fuel was burnt up almost immediatly and you use the ball of flame for your evidence. That is actually an opinion and one that I disagree with. And the reason I do is from my own experience. I have had plenty of bon fires. And often I used diesel fuel to get the fires burning and even usied diesel to stoke it when the fire wasnt strong enough for my liking. I've thrown quarts of fuel on the fire. The result was a ball of fire that occured from airborne fuel while a much lower level fire continued as a result of non-combusted fuel flowing into the wood. It is my belief that when the plane hit the building, the airborne fuel ignited in a ball of fire. It is also possible that an enormous amount of fuel poured onto the floors. This type of fuel needs to be airborne to go up in a ball of flame. But flowing fuel would simply burn on the surface of the fuel where the fire had oxygen to burn. Very much like my bonfire but on a greater scale. 　 2. Concrete Pulverization Has any one taken into consideration what happens to concrete when heated? I have and again I draw from my experience. I have seen what a fire does to concrete. Experiment one time by placing some wood on a concrete slab and light it on fire. The concrete will litterly explode. Dont stand too close to the flame as hot exploding concrete hurts! And with such a low level heat too. Whatever chemical bond that holds the concrete to the agregate and steel changes with fire, I've even seen concrete after a house fire simply crumble to dust. 3. And for the last observation today, The statement was made "Who benefited? Follow the money. 19 Arabs did not benefit, Osama bin Laden did not benefit, no Muslim benefited." That isnt entirely true. While I completly agree that under most circumstances we can "Follow the Money" I also know that there is another possible motivation worth mentioning. In many religions the prize that is sought after is obtaining eternal life after leaving this life. The Muslim faith is one of these. And those 19 Arabs were Muslim extremists and they more than willing to die for their cause. For them to die while killing infidels guarantees them eternal life. And for those that are motivated by religion, that benefit is far greater a reward than any financial benefit could ever be. Again, I have no statements that would satisfy an engineer or a scientist and I dont understand half of the stuff you guys talk about, but I do know what I have seen with my own two eyes.

I dont know about any of this doomsday stuff. But checking around I found this article about a solar flare headed our way. Sunspot 1302 unleashed towards Earth, detected on shortwave radio By Andrew Moran. +Greenbelt - Scientists are monitoring a sunspot that produced an X1.9-category solar storm that was unleashed over the weekend and could be headed towards Earth. Sunspot 1302 was so strong that it has been detected shortwave radio on this planet.Digital Journal has reported in the past about intense solar storms and so far nothing catastrophic has occurred. The worst thing that has transpired thus far has been loss of radio signals in some parts of the United States.On Monday, NASA issued a news release that updated us on a strong X1.9-category solar storm that erupted from active region (sunspot) 1302 Saturday morning that was recorded by the space administration’s Solar Dynamics Observatory.The published video presented viewers with a shadowy shock rave that moved away from the impact site. This has led scientists to believe that the blast produced a coronal mass ejection (CME) that could hurt our magnetic field this week.Although none of the blasts were directed towards the Earth, the sunspot will turn toward us within the next few days. NASA officials say that AR1302 is continuing to grow and that there is no evidence that it will quiet down anytime soon. It is in a position to produce more CMEs.The Goddard Space Weather Lab detected solar wind plasma sneaking into the geosynchronous orbit that could affect satellites because they will experience solar wind plasma and magnetic fields.As the sunspot continues to produce intense solar storms, audio has been recorded of the solar event. Thomas Ashcraft in New Mexico was able to record the sounds of the activity on his shortwave radio.Sky gazers in high-latitude areas should look out for auroras come nightfall.Continuity Central also issued a news release for businesses. It noted NASA’s list of possible impact by space weather. It reiterated NASA’s warning that intense solar activity could cause blackouts across the globe and could last for months as engineers attempt to repair the situation.This would lead to the disruption of commerce since numerous institutions would be offline, airplanes would not be able to utilize GPS navigation and there would be no power for hundreds of millions of people. Read more: http://digitaljourna...3#ixzz1ZAiVxyJN http://digitaljourna.../article/312033 I'm not wanting to scare anyone at all. I just posted this because it seemed to be related to OKIE's original. While this may not happen today, it appears that some scientists appear to be watching the event. Maybe I'll get a couple of gallons of water today.

Thanks for all of your input. As I said before, I have no real knowledge of what happened on that terrible day. Some of you have had great and informed comments while others have simply stated things not bothering to read the reports. I do that sometimes, if I believe something, I choose not to really look at opposing info. The reason I say that is some of your responses were addressed in the links and you acted as if no one had given any answers about your statements. But for the most part, I saw lots of good informed feedback on both sides of the conspiracy issue (and will probably hear more). I am still undecided because I see both sides very well. For example, I know very well that the term pull means to pull cable. But I also realize that demo crews use the term differently. And I see what appears ro be lies on both sides of the fence. Some people will do and say most anything to prove their point. I wont make a decision based on conjecture or what should have been. Those murdered souls and their families deserve the truth, not what you or I believe. It is a shame that due to a preconceived idea, some folks just won't look further. I for one will keep looking. Thanks for an interesting couple of days. AND GO RV!

Already done : Conspiracy theorists say World Trade Center 7 is the best proof for controlled demolition because it wasn't hit by airliners and only had a few fires. They also claim that there was a confession from the building owner who said he "pulled" it. But this is deceptive because while building 7 wasn't hit by an airliner, it was hit by the large perimeter columns of the Tower collapse. It was 400 ft away but the towers were more than 1300 ft tall. As the tower peeled open, it easily tilted over to reach building 7. http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm Actually interesting if you really read their info. But then, I guess I kinda like the flavor of Kool Aid..

I am sure that you are probably correct about the percentage required for ignition of oxygen under certain conditions. However we are talking about heated gases and that makes a world of difference. I am speaking from experience and nothing more. I have no formal education is either engineering or science. As a matter of fact, I have even seen the damage just a cup of heated deisel fuel can cause as an explosion. I was knocked to my backside when but a youth due to a small amount of heated diesel exploding, but thats a different story. Another thing that most people do not realize is that "jet fuel" is much different than airplane fuel. While airplane may be high octaine, jet fuel is not much different that diesel fuel or kerosene. The reason that jet fuel works, is that the fuel is misted into heated turbines in the presence of the air flow creating the jet effect. Diesel in vehicles only combust due to the pressure in the piston, not sparks. My opinion is that it is highly likely that the explosion seen by the video did not consume very much of the fuel on board at all. But after being heated, now thats when jet fuel becomes extremely combustable. Like you, I dont know what happened in those towers and would love to see an unbiased investigation into that and several other things. Unfortunately, most of us look into things with preconceived ideas and find evidence to back that up. Then there are those that can bend the evidence to speak for their agenda. When we can find someone that doesnt have self serving emotions, a political agenda or an ego, we might find the truth. JMHO

So true but there in lies an issue : It would appear that the release of steam can cause even greater heat by heating burning oil to a higher temperature.. I was also thinking about what happens when you throw water on a oil fire. It would seem that the water turning to steam isnt the only thing that happens. It seems to also allow some of the super heated water to break down and release some oxygen and hydrogen (both very flammable gases in their own right). It also allows the heated oil to spray into the atmosphere. Can you imagine what would happen if some of these gases were in a confined area when a flame ignited them? Exactly, an explosion. All of the above may not be engineer approved but it is simple physical science.

A new study seems to discourage the planted bomb theories. http://news.yahoo.com/twin-tower-collapse-model-could-squash-9-11-201204097.html Chain of events When each jet cut its way into a building, it took with it parts of walls and ceilings, Simensen said. Steel bars in those walls would have gashed its fuel tanks, which would have caught fire. With the plane positioned somewhere in the middle of the building, blanketed in debris and with no route for heat to escape, the temperature would have rapidly escalated, reaching 660 degrees Celsius (1,220 degrees Fahrenheit), the melting point of aluminum — of which there was 30 tons in each plane fuselage — within an hour. The molten aluminum would then have heated up further to between 800 and 850 C (1,470 and 1,560 F). "Then molten aluminum becomes [as liquid as] water and has so much heat that it will flow through cracks in the floor and down to the next floor," Simensen explained in an email. There was an automatic sprinkler system installed in each ceiling, and it was filled with water. "When huge amount of molten aluminum gets in contact with water, a fierce exothermic reaction will take place, enormous amount of hydrogen is formed and the temperature is locally raised to 1,200 to 1,500 C," or 2,200 to 2,700 F. Chaos rapidly ensues: "A series of explosions will take place and a whole floor will be blown to pieces," he wrote. "Then the top part of the building will fall on the bottom part, and the tower will collapse within seconds." This is what Simensen believes happened in the two World Trade Center towers. This isn't obscure chemistry, Simensen says; the U.S. Aluminum Association has recorded 250 accidental molten aluminum/water explosions worldwide since 1980. "Alcoa in Pittsburgh [the worldwide leader in aluminum production] has done a series of such explosions in special laboratory in order to understand what can prevent such explosions and what are the most dangerous situations," he wrote. "For instance they let 30 kilograms [66 pounds] of aluminum react with 20 liters [5.3 gallons] of water, which resulted in a large hole 30 meters [98 feet] in diameter, and nothing left of the laboratory." I realize that lots of folks want to believe the worst. And I for one dont like the turn our Government has taken over the last 40 years. But maybe, just maybe this explanation is the truth? Just sayin!

Thank you and your Pastor for your prayers and faith. And may the blessing arrive even sooner!

People seem to lose sight of what I consider the big picture. Thank you and 82Corp for your sacrifice in helping to keep us safe. Thanks are due to all of your comarades as well!

Thanks Mongo. I'm excited enough for the both of us! But, I hear you about when the real excitement takes place! GO RV!

Except there may not be any soup left!

Moose, Thank you for this information and honestly, I hope none of us will ever need to know this info. However, it is very unrealistic to believe that we will never need it. You would normally think that the safest place to be would be under something like a desk and I am sure that the teacher in that classroom you describe probably told the students to do so. A lack of information or even having some misinformation may be the difference between life and death. I will remember this post AND will make sure that my children and grand children learn this info. I'd like to know if you mind me sending out this post in an email to my contacts? I'll include the link at the bottom of your post too for further education. I will probably place that link on my facebook page too! Again, Thanks for sharing.

Same here. I tried both IE and Chrome. Says the site is not available.

Thanks for sharing your story. While I have no idea if the dream means anything or not it is a possibility. I believe that our mind is capable of so much more than we can imagine. Of course, there is always a possibility of supernatural influence. There is always a possibility of the dream being a result of something you ate. Also it may have been a way for your mind to unwind from all of the time that you have spent thinking about the Dinar. But as for me friend, I'll join in with you and hope that the dream is telling you that the Dinar/RV is going to win! GO RV!

Hey there Busman! Not good to hear of your situation but glad you'll be back on the road Friday. I did check out your blog and tried to leave a comment for you just to get it moving. I'm not too computer/internet savy so I dont understand why it didnt get posted. But, May you have better days ahead! PS. I hope for your sake that the RV is delayed..HOWEVER, I hope for the rest of us that it RV's before I can post this comment. (I know thats being a little double minded)

While I understand your sentiment, I'm sure that "We the people" would just end up paying extra to have the soil removed and replaced with "clean" dirt! Wow! My first negative mark....Didnt realize anyone should get upset for the above statement. Oh well..... everyone has their rights to their opinion. Stay safe friends

I also dont have any doubts about Adams credability nor his work and efforts. And in no way am I trying to bash anyone. I would hope that any of us would appreciate compensation for any work that we have done, Adam included. While I don't know if he will receive referal commisions or not I believe that he should! Its only right and fair for anyone to be compensated. I understand that Adam has and does spend lots of time setting up pre RV info and post RV info. While I want my fellow man to prosper, I cant work for free! Thats just being a good steward and even the Bible admonishes us to be so! Besides, any potential comissions from these referals will no doubt pale in prespective to the value of his RV'd currency. JMHO GO RV!

Maybe...but at the hearing to confirm Chief Justice John Roberts this was discussed. You might want to watch this short clip:

Will not be able to buy or sell without it? Microchipping Humans By 2017 Have you seen this NBC report? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5tczn0mke8&feature=player_embedded They want to "free us from our wallets and keys". Legislators have already proposed legislation to make it so everyone must have a chipped card in order to have a job... which of course will be followed by the inability to do many other things without "a chip". Microchip Implants will be used to link your health records , credit history, and social security records. All medical records are already being digitized as a stipulation of Obamacare. If government can require Americans to carry chipped documents and make your work and financial and health records a part of that, it will just be a matter of time before that chip will be implanted.... to of course "free you from carrying documents" and for "security purposes"(Remember - everything is being done for your own good). ... and don't think for one moment that this cannot ever happen.. Remember Joe Biden even mentioned it (quite strongly, I might add) in Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts' confirmation hearing. Don't think it will happen? There are billions of dollars invested in it. The government is already holding data on us - our purchases and our phone calls . And of course it is all in the name of "the War on Terror" http://yedies.blogspot.com/2010/11/microchipping-humans-by-2017.html?spref=fb

On a similar note, I just checked this site http://earthquake.us...quakes_all.html there were several earthquakes listed for yesterday. Even more the day before. Four in Virginnia in the last two days. Sorry had to edit that post. I brought tooooo much info from it at first.

I also heard that it could be the $14.6 trillion check bouncing in DC...

I completly agree with all that you said. I would just like to add my 2 cents to the statement above. I agree that we have the right to live and let live. It is MY OPINION that when someone pulls a weapon (of any sort) to commit a criminal act of violence against their fellow man (or woman) that they have forfeited their GOD given right to live and let live. It is their choice to commit the violent crime and in so doing they are violating the right of life of the victim. There is no one there to argue for the victim, no jury, no lawyer, no judge. Furthermore, I believe that the criminal in so doing has given up their own human rights. Many will disagree but that is MY OPINION.

Thank you Gridkeeper. I appreciate what you said. I was taught that it doesnt matter whether you win or lose, it's how you play the game. This is just my opinion but I believe that Okie has only been giving us info that he was given because he wanted to encourage us. So, again my opinion, he is playing the game with honor. Not with hate, name calling and bashing that I hear from people that have nothing constructive to add. Even if the info doesnt pan out the way you or I think it should. Once more for my opinion, kick a man when he is down? or try to lend him a hand? How do you play the game? JMO Go RV

You may be right but, I never heard about a Kuwait RV till I heard about this opportunity. But I too will wait until I see the $$ in my account.

Good Grief! I cant believe some of the replies to Adams post. I for one am very glad to have found this site. Sure, I've seen some rank abuse from some of the bashers attacking folks. But I've also seen good folks attempt to help others that may not understand issues or maybe just have different opinions. I've learned to just ignore the bashers. But I have been helped greatly by Adam and staff both before and after joining VIP. With the stuff I've learned in the VIP section, I can hardly wait until I have some real funds to work with! I am excited about the opportunities that we'll have as a result of membership. I hope Adam doesn't get upset with me but if it means that the service to me may suffer at all due to one more joining then I repeat what Adam said. "Wait a week" But if you are as smart as you think you are and want to make your investment grow, I'd join now. Because the chance to do so may be gone at the push of a button. I have not regretted my decision to do so at all. C'mon...GO RV!