Check the "Gurus" Backgrounds & Motives!!!

[Jnaught14]

This is my first post ever in any blog! I'm sure that it will rile some of you. Reality is supposed to do that sometimes. I have been reading and watching this site now for 8 months (as long as I have been invested in the IQD. These are my conclusions about this whole investment and the people involved. It's my opinion, but I sure wish that somebody would set me straight if I am wrong! My thought is that if it walks like a duck...you know the rest...it must be a duck. First off, I would advise all of you to STOP listening to another cc or read another blog written by Ken or Tony. Wow, please tell me I am wrong about these guys, but I did some research on these fellas myself and what I found was not pretty. I feel dirty and abused. These guys are really good at what they do—and they evidently have had much practice over the years. Dan has a rap sheet for fraud and deception and evidently a criminal record that is really impressive. A lot of people go after Tony for what appears to be a multitude of scams over the past 20 years. Here is what is really disheartening. They openly admitted to being paid by Ty at Dinar Banker. Yes, they appear to be on his payroll. I would say that these "contacts" and sources of "intel" are complete fabrications and lies intended to get people like you and me to do reserve orders. They are merely pimps and pumpers for Ty of Dinar Banker and the others selling Dinars in the U.S. They are profiting handsomely off the dinar if you look at the Trillions of Dinars being purchased in the U.S. Do a search for both of these guys on the internet and Youtube...it is disheartening to say the least. But then again, from the seller standpoint...they have made 100s of millions of dollars off selling the Dinars in the U.S.A. Now, with that said, even though I think Okie is a bit over-the-top and very erratic, jumping the gun over and over and making predictions that never come to fruition, he seems so believable at times when he shares "intel" from his contacts with people in 3 letter government agencies--it feels like he is somewhat real—even though the pumping he does is on a personal level. I think he tends to regularly overstate his proximity to the powers that be (everybody has their own motives and rationale for how they act and believe--I happen to think that he acts the way that he does out of an insatiable need to be respected and looked to as an authority by large numbers of people—look how people just cling to every word that comes from his mouth). When I listen to Frank and company on their CC I think that they are either: a) deeply religious convicted Christians; or severely twisted conmen that need to be convicted. Maybe it is because I live in the scam capital of the world, that makes me very suspicious of people's motives who pray at the beginning of CCs and then make repeated references to "our Lord" in the middle of talks about making huge sums of money off a relatively meager investment that really creeps me out. But by nature I tend to give most people the benefit of the doubt--I'm sure that many people thought the same thing about Jim and Tammy Baker. Maybe it is just my past experiences of being ripped off financially by "deeply religious" folks in the past that causes me to now bring into question the motives of the whole lot of these so called "gurus." Frank does in fact sell Dinars, and the Lord is I'm sure being VERY good to him right now. Sheesh, do any of you really think that God will make this “blessing” happen because you keep praying for him to make it happen. If that is the case, will you please pray for the Sacramento Kings—they could really use some success. And I’m fairly positive they have about as much chance of making the NBA finals as this IQD has of experiencing an RV of the magnitude that the pumpers and dealers are predicting! I personally think referencing God at anytime in this “investment” or impending “RV” is sacrilegious. I think God probably cares more about Iraqi people having food and peace, than Dan and Tony being able to purchase the Ferraris and yachts that they keep talking about! I look at all of the people in America who are in dire straits financially—one step away from financial disaster—some in the middle of disaster now—and they continue to be pumped into putting $100, $500, or $1000 into a 30 day reserve that will make them millions by that next Monday. This is where the real money is being made! Yeah Ty, you can hide behind your conmen—they are just the front for your own fraud and deception. I hope that the Treasury Department and the FBI take a much closer look at your books to see who you are paying to do your dirty work. I get really pissed off when I come to the realization that these pumpers are in reality just liars and frauds, making money at the expense of those who are really struggling. And I acknowledge that each person is responsible for the decisions they make, but when they trust somebody who they believe is sincere and trustworthy, and they end up being anything but trustworthy--well those people deserve long prison terms. We have laws in this country that protect the unsophisticated investors (those with net assets lower than a million) because they are more vulnerable to the shenannigans of people like Ty, Dan, and Tony, not to mention a plethora of others who are behind what appears to be one of the greatest swindles and misinformation campaigns in U.S. history. I know people who are invested up to $100K USD in this IQD toilet paper that are too embarrassed to go public with how they got sucked into this stuff over the past 7 years. Somebody needs to shut these dealers and pumpers down and end this crime. On another note, I happen to have a brother who is Deputy Director in one of the largest U.S. government agencies, and he knows nothing of an ”impending” IQD RV. And he says that it certainly isn’t the talk of the town in Washington D.C. He isn't in the Treasury department (even though he has many friends and contacts over there), and his agency does have a presence in Iraq. Here is the question that I would ask you to consider. These government department heads travel in the same company—with each other. They all have families and friends. If something huge—of the magnitude that we are talking here like a 1 to 5 RV of a foreign currency were to really be going down, don't you think that these people would at least make a veiled reference to their families or friends? Or for that matter don’t you think they would also be highly invested in IQDs? For all the wink wink nudge nudge that we hear coming to these gurus, coming down from their supposed contacts in 3 letter government agencies, I have yet to substantiate anything they have said about government heads, Congressmen or Senators (who supposedly cashed out in tier 2 or was that tier 1?) None of them say boo about Iraq, IQD, or an RV or RI. I am calling B.S. on the Tier 1, 2, 3 cash out. I know with my brother, that as an agency leader, he walks on pins and needles to avoid conflicts of interest--that would at the very least cost him his career, and at the very most land himself in prison. They have a public and personal duty to be guardians of the public interest. And this is certainly one of those times when the public coffers and interest are at stake, and although I am cynical of everybody in public office, I doubt very much these people would risk it all for the millions (and in the case of this supposed IQD “investment” a sheer lunatic idea that you are going to become a billionaire off of a $130,000 USD investment! Yes folks that’s right, for only the cost of a very small condo you too can join the ranks of Bill Gates and Warren Buffet). We have something in this country known as oversight committees that look into financial misdeeds or allegations of influence peddling by public officials. Some of you may be sucked into the delusion that all public officials are involved in a grand master scheme of collusion and conspiracy, but don’t be crazy, if they propagated a swindle of the American way of life as this most certainly would end up being, they would be held accountable by the electorate and judicial system for the remainder of their lives. This would be a conflict of interest of absolutely colossal proportions--and the public outcry would be enormous. It would be enough to call for all of their heads. Can you even begin to imagine in an era of hyper partisan politics the Senate hearings that would be held ad nausea to bring to justice the Senators, Congressman, and leaders who used their influence over Iraq to line their pockets with cash? I personally believe that there is no such thing as cash outs by tier 1, tier 2 or an eventual tier 3—that is absolute nonsense! I don't think any tiered cash out ever happened--that was a lie. The way these supposed Gurus accomplish what they do is to appeal to the base emotions by appealing to a sense of greed, hope, conspiracy, secrets, etc etc etc. And now I say to you self appointed Gurus and the Wizard of Oz—Ty from Dinar Banker, and all the other Dinar dealers—come out from behind the curtain and cleanse your souls (if you still have one), and admit your motives and designs. Tell the truth and stop lying and taking advantage of people. This is reality folks, and no matter how much talk of God, and of this being a blessing, it is just plain and simple the clever and immoral invention of a handful of people who are raking in a large amount of cash. I am invested in the IQD. I got sucked into it hardcore. Then after a reality moment and checking into these so-called “Gurus” I was forced to temper my own perspective between greed and hope—and from a 30,000 foot view I feel like an immature fool for being led around by the nose by these wolves in sheeps clothing. I really should have known better! I didn’t do my due diligence. I didn’t check the backgrounds of those people behind this madness. And it is madness. No more false urgency—which is great for reserve sales. No more dreams of get rich quick due to an “investment” that will cure all that ails you! Of course like all religious brainwashing and addiction—and this Dinar ride is truly a clever brainwashing by some very devious people, it goes to the very core of emotional experience. Look at the strong emotions of greed and hope that this creates! Admit it, when you get up in the morning what is your first thought—to hit your knees and thank God for another day that he has blessed you with? No, I bet your first thought is about your addiction! You go to the computer to the rumor section of Dinarvets. The pumpers know your behaviors better than you do—and they prey on this every day! That is their business. I still hope that the IQD may revalue over time to the benefit of the Iraqi people and even to us if it does not come at their expense, but this watershed moment of RVing at 1 to 3, 4, or 5 etc. appears to be the creation perpetuated by the avarice, greed, and motives of intensely evil scam artists. If Ty at Dinar Banker is paying these people to pump, then he is as evil and culpable as his pumping minions. He also should be thrown into prison. It is time that somebody in the judicial system steps in and stops this madness!

[Sun Devil]

Whoa! Don't be afraid to mix in a paragraph or five!

[keepmwlknfny]

Well you are right.....those guys are frauds....hell I even posted dans background on here and it wasent pretty....but even with that and being involved in many mlm scams over the years, people still defended him LOL

So I pretty much just gave up.....there are others too that are frauds.....ones that have been banned from here only a week or two after showing up because of how sketchy their background is.....

But for some reason, some either still dont care or they just dont know about it, but of course when this person is telling them everything they wanna hear week after week they get sucked into a false sense of reality and for some strange reason, start to truely believe them.....

I bet if more of these gurus were exposed we would find another boat load of frauds and scam artists.....pretty sad.....

[SFlorida]

Those that believe them are weak, the others are corrupted and liars. Not much more to say.

[Jnaught14]

keepmwlknfny, Thanks for your reply, and actually I have you to thank because I believe it was some of your posts that motivated my digging a bit deeper. I have listened to 2 CCs with Dan and Tony and talk about creepy. But what was creepy to me was the effect of what they were saying on me! I'm a fairly educated guy, but when you manipulate with hope and greed like these pieces of work do, it really has an impact! Believe me when I say this...nothing would thrill me more than an RV at 5.25 USD to 1 IQD! I am seeing too many people rolling the dice because of this manipulation. I really have an axe to grind with Ty at Dinar Banker who likes to act above the fray. If he really is paying these guys to pump it is disgraceful!

Sundevil...sorry! This is my first ever blog. I was just communicating my reality check moment.

[RVThereYet!]

WOW.....you did a background check on these guys with just their screennames??your pretty good......and as much as I hate pumpers maybe you should have talked to your brother BEFORE you invested......but I do agree with what you had to say.

[NYer]

Great post!

[Legolas]

Great post, Jnaught14. That spells it out about as well as it can be. If only the masses would listen.

[horns]

Where is this proof that they are con men? I'm just curious.

[Krieg]

Whoa! Don't be afraid to mix in a paragraph or five!

It is a bit hard to read like this .

[Jaxinjersey]

Jnaught... good post, and accurate I believe. With that... all dealers and pumpers are irrelevant to me... as I wish they were to all of us. If I had never found this site, or any others, I would still simply be invested in a potential currency revaluation. I keep it that simple... and it's my best advice to anyone else. When I invested through a friend's advice... neither of us knew of sites like this.... I went to the bank and bought dinars. Done. I'm happy I found this site... but it does not steer my investment through the b.s, rumors, etc.... nor do the pumpers and dealers. Perhaps it's easy for me to pretend they don't really exist... I wish that strength for all.

[Sun Devil]

Jnaught... good post, and accurate I believe. With that... all dealers and pumpers are irrelevant to me... as I wish they were to all of us. If I had never found this site, or any others, I would still simply be invested in a potential currency revaluation. I keep it that simple... and it's my best advice to anyone else. When I invested through a friend's advice... neither of us knew of sites like this.... I went to the bank and bought dinars. Done. I'm happy I found this site... but it does not steer my investment through the b.s, rumors, etc.... nor do the pumpers and dealers. Perhaps it's easy for me to pretend they don't really exist... I wish that strength for all.

Great post. You sum up how I feel perfectly. I'm in this because I believe there are legitimate reasons this can be very profitable. It's that simple for me too.

[HappySteel]

Very, very good post and my opinion, you speak nothing but truth and the way I feel. Thanks for you time.

[sophie8207]

good research, very convincing.....you would think there might be some laws violated if that was the case

[Legolas]

WOW.....you did a background check on these guys with just their screennames??your pretty good......and as much as I hate pumpers maybe you should have talked to your brother BEFORE you invested......but I do agree with what you had to say.

Jnaught probably should have provided more detail as to how he established their backgrounds, and exactly who these guys are, but it's fairly obvious from his writing that he did his homework and wouldn't have made the statement if the evidence didn't exist.

[sophie8207]

although I get the feeling of sencerity concerning Frank26. can't explain, just a vibe

shoot me if you want

[Dalite]

Jnault,

Thanks for the great post.

I think you touched on a number of valid concerns, and sized them up accurately.

Hopefully, this will all get sorted out one day, and predatory practices will be exposed and prosecuted.

As I have said in a previous post about Pumpers, I would not want one moving in next door to me. If they will sell false hope, what would they steal?

[Kadman176]

I mentioned this post on PTR and was promptly banned from the site...lol. Wish you could have seen the reactions!

[GameChanger]

Only fact I know about Ty being paid for pumper action is that he allows for people to post an advertisement on their sites (called Affiliate Advertising).

If, after reading or hearing a pumper, and we get excited to buy more IQD then likely we'd click on the

DinarBanker (in this scenario) banner that is on the site we're looking at. Every time someone clicks on that banner and buys something... the owner of the

banner pays the advertiser (in this scenario... the PUMPER)

It's a legitimate way to advertise but PumPing is criminal if you own a site and get paid to work people's emotions.

BE AWARE

BE INFORMED

BE SMART

BE PATIENT

BE AN RV SOON

[NYer]

Where is this proof that they are con men? I'm just curious.

google Tony Renfrow (TNT TONY) and Dan Atkinson from PTR who were network marketing guys and seemed to have pissed off lots of people with their bs in the past.

[RVThereYet!]

google Tony Renfrow (TNT TONY) and Dan Atkinson from PTR who were network marketing guys and seemed to have pissed off lots of people with their bs in the past.

so what is okie's real name?.........I hear there's a bounty on him!!

[NYer]

so what is okie's real name?.........I hear there's a bounty on him!!

No clue what okie's real name is. When you google okie oil man there is someone with that name but i don't think it is our okie. He looks too young to have that gruff voice. I can't wait to find out who he really is...

[tandy]

just curious...seems like credibility suicide to admit they are pimps and pumpers for Ty at Dinar Banker and "other" dealers...who did they admit that to and when....You said it "appears" they are on Ty's payroll...well it "appears" there may be more to this well "documented" post than at first "appears"...who are you, where do you come from and what are your credentials...your profile certainly is vague...and just for the record I am just an old country boy hoping to earn a little on an investment that seems to be a little better than the lottery and I am a real dummy when it comes to knowing anything more than that...just my worthless post

[Bogie]

keepmwlknfny, Thanks for your reply, and actually I have you to thank because I believe it was some of your posts that motivated my digging a bit deeper. I have listened to 2 CCs with Dan and Tony and talk about creepy. But what was creepy to me was the effect of what they were saying on me! I'm a fairly educated guy, but when you manipulate with hope and greed like these pieces of work do, it really has an impact! Believe me when I say this...nothing would thrill me more than an RV at 5.25 USD to 1 IQD! I am seeing too many people rolling the dice because of this manipulation. I really have an axe to grind with Ty at Dinar Banker who likes to act above the fray. If he really is paying these guys to pump it is disgraceful!

Sundevil...sorry! This is my first ever blog. I was just communicating my reality check moment.

When I posted an extensive financial analysis on his sight showing the rate could not be more than 1.25 cents/ IQD without a LOP, I got shut down so fast by Dan himself my head was spinning. I am not looking forward to the point that we have to go through these same sharks to get new bills when it does LOP!!

[touchedthesky]

Well you are right.....those guys are frauds....hell I even posted dans background on here and it wasent pretty....but even with that and being involved in many mlm scams over the years, people still defended him LOL

So I pretty much just gave up.....there are others too that are frauds.....ones that have been banned from here only a week or two after showing up because of how sketchy their background is.....

But for some reason, some either still dont care or they just dont know about it, but of course when this person is telling them everything they wanna hear week after week they get sucked into a false sense of reality and for some strange reason, start to truely believe them.....

I bet if more of these gurus were exposed we would find another boat load of frauds and scam artists.....pretty sad.....

Some chickens are determined to cheer for their Colonel Sanders no matter what. That's what deep fryers are for.