Med & Mailman chat 6/30/12

[Shelley]

* (Med & Mailman Chat):

JUNE 30TH, 2012

EXCHANGE RATE & BUY DINAR INFO

W8n2cashin (19:17:09): I have fairly high hopes for a good july

Med (19:17:24): I HAD A LONG TALK WITH MM17 TODAY WE DISCUSSED THE TARIFFS ARE THEY OR ARENT THEY AND THE DINAR DID NOT STABILIZE WELL EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE SOLD BOO KOO DINAR WHICH TO ME IS COUNTER PRODUCTIVE

THEY CANT GET THE DINAR DOWN ANY FARTHER THAN 1240 AND THEY ARE COVERING 1166 THEY ARE LOSING ALOT WHEN YOU THINK OF IT IN 35 TRILLION

GAU-8: can the cancel or hold a law without coming back in session and doing so?

Med: GAU WITH THIS COUNTRY SURE THEY CAN THEY HAVE PROVEN TIME AND TIME AGAIN THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTHLESS

GAU-8: agreed!:@

Med: THEY HAVE SECRET PRISONS WHERE THEY THROW PEOPLE IN WITHOUT DUE PROCESS YET THE CONSTITUTION CLEARLY STATES NOONE CAN BE IMPRISONED WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO USE THE SYSTEM TO IT’S FULLEST AND NO IRAQI IS FIRST GUILTY

GAU-8: this country has been beaten down for so many decades the people do not understand the power of democracy

Med: THIS CONSTITUTION IS SIMPLE IT WAS TO PROTECT THE RIGHTS BUT MALIKI CAUGHT ON QUICK GO TO YOUR OWN APPOINTED COURT AND GET IT CHANGED WITHOUT ANYONE KNOWING OK THEY HAVE SECRET PRISONS DOES THE U.S. KNOW ABOUT THEM OF COURSE NOW GETTING BACK TO WHAT I WAS GOING TO DISCUSS

GAU-8: sorry

Med: NO WORRIES FOR SOME REASON AFTER YRS OF HOLDING THE DINARS RATE AT 1170 AND SHABIBI THINKING HE HAD USED EVERY SCENARIO POSSIBLE TO SHAKE IT AND STILL KEEP IT AT 1170 AFTER THE HUGE INCREASE IN THE RATE OF 4 PIPS IT PLUMMETED IN VALUE I PERSONALLY DONT KNOW WHO IS BUYING UP ALL THE DINAR THAT THEY CLAIM ESPECIALLY SINCE THEY PUT SOME TIGHT RESTRICTIONS ON THE SALE OR EXCHANGE

I PERSONALLY THINK IN IRAQ ITSELF THEY JUST DONT HAVE FAITH SINCE 09 THEY WERE TOLD IT IS COMING IT IS COMING WENT INTO ALL KINDS OF EXPLANATIONS AND THE ONLY THING THAT THE IRAQI PEOPLE CAN CONTROL IS THEY CAN DUMP THE DINAR FOR USD INTERNALLY TO TRADERS

I READ YESTERDAY THEY ARE GOING TO APPEAL TO THE PEOPLE TO PLEASE USE THE DINAR BUT THERE IS NO SOUND REASON FOR THEM TO RIGHT NOW AND IT WILL BE EVEN WORSE IF THE TARIFFS HIT

NOW REMEMBER AMENDMENTS WERE MADE TO THE TARIFFS NO FOOD OR CLOTHING WILL BE TARIFFED THAT WILL REALLY MINIMIZE THE IMPACT OR DAMAGE THE TARIFFS WILL DO THE ACTUAL REASON THEY WANT TO DO THIS IS BECAUSE OF THE FLOOD OF CRAP IMPORTS FROM CHINA AND THEY ARE ALREADY PRICED HIGH

IN READING THE EXPLANATION IT REALLY DIDNT SEEM THAT THEY WERE TRYING TO HURT THE IRAQI PEOPLE IT MIGHT AND IT MIGHT NOW NOT ONLY WHEN IT GOES INTO EFFECT WILL WE SEE IF IT HAS AN IMPACT OR NOT IN THE FIRST MONTH

NOW IF IT DOESNT CAUSE A REDLINE I READ THAT SHABIBI EXPECTS THE DINAR DURING RAMADAN TO FINALLY STABILIZE BACK AT 1166 I TOLD MM17 THAT KIND OF BOTHERED ME OR MADE ME GO HMMMMM IF LETS SAY THEY ARE NOT FOR THE SAKE OF ARGUMENT GOING TO DO ANYTHING BUT STABILIZE BACK TO 1166 THEN IT ONLY LEAVES OCT NOV AND DEC

IF THE GOAL WAS TO ISSUE THE NEW DENOMS AFTER THE REVALUE HERE IS MY REASONING ON WHY I THINK IT IS GOING TO COME IN DECEMBER NOW DONT THROW YOU COMPUTERS THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION AND IT IS WEAK OK LETS SAY THE ISSUE IS SET IN STONE FOR 1/1/2013

NOW IF YOU ALL REMEMBER SALEH SAID THAT THEY WOULD NOT DO THIS IN THE MIDDLE OF A FISCAL YEAR IT HAD TO BE AT THE BEGINNING NOW IF THEY ARE GOING TO MOVE DIRECTLY TO 1 TO 1 YOU CERTAINLY CANT HAVE IT SITTING OUT LIKE THAT FOR ANY LENGTH OF TIME WITH NO DENOMS TO COUNTER THE REVALUE WOULD YOU ALL AGREE

ksdunlap: yes

Caviar Dreams: yes hi ya

Med: SO MY GUESS IS THAT NO MORE THAN ONE WEEK BEFORE THE NEW ISSUE OF DENOMS THIS WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE FIRST STATEMENTS SHABIBI SAID ABOUT THE REVALUE AND THE ISSUE SEVERAL YEARS AGO I JUST HAPPENED TO REMEMBER IT IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO

irishbrian: Hi Med just switched over to this puter and seen your chat.. Did we not agree that they already have enough small denoms to start from the 14 originally printed?

Med: TO 1 TO 1 NOT ANYMORE THE ORIGINALS ARE NOT EVEN AN ISSUE ANYMORE THEY WILL NOT PUT THOSE IN THEN ANOTHER SET AND THEN HAVE TO TAKE OUT BOTH

irishbrian: Oh OK

Med: IT WOULDNT MAKE ANYSENSE TO DO IT AND THE 50 AND 250 AND 500 THEY JUST WOULDNT DO IT WITH A HIGHER RATE IT WOULD CONFUSE THE HECK OUT OF THEM

Caviar Dreams: i think the only way they will get their populus to give up usd is to revalue…imo….its been the standard for too long now

Med: NOW THAT I AM IN TOTAL AGREEMENT ON CD

irishbrian: Right not hard to do when you live mostly in the dark and cook on Camel dung

mailman17: :S

Caviar Dreams: and that any change during ramadan is a test….that they can either back out of or continue

(hello’s to mailman17)

Med: BBIAB

mailman17: HEY

W8n2cashin: guess we’ll know the a.m. if the tarriffs are a go

mailman17: I HAVE HEARD OR SEEN NOTHING ON THEM NOT GOING DOWN AND I HAVE SEEN 2 SEPARATE ARTICLES FROM PARLIAMENT TELLING THE GOI, ESPECIALLY THE COUUNCIL OF MINISTERS TO KEEP THEIR NOSE OUT OF IT AND THEIR ADVICE / BILL WILL BE DEALT WITH

BUT THEY ARE CONFIRMED ON THESE TARRIFS GOING THROUGH AND THE COUNCIL CANNOT STOP IT

irishbrian: Thanks all, This COM is a hit squad for M right MM?

flowergirl: right

mailman17: NOW…A LITTLE MORE OF WHAT ME AND MED TALKED ABOUT

W8n2cashin: do tell

mailman17: YOU ALL KNOW WE ARE DINAR BROTHERS….BUT ALSO A LOT OF THE TIME SEE THE COIN FROM A DIFFERENT SIDE THAT’S WHAT MAKES THIS FORUM WORK

flowergirl: yup

DAYSTAR: Yes

W8n2cashin: it does

Caviar Dreams: oeky dokey

mailman17: I WOULD RATHER HAVE TO SIDES OF ANYTHING THAN 1 NOT SAYING EITHER IS RIGHT OR WRONG JUST DIFFERENT YOU ALSO KNOW MED IS A TAD BIT MORE CAUTIOUS THAN I AM..(6)

AGAIN….THAT IS NOT A FAULT AS IT IS PAINSTAKINGLY AT TIMES RELYING ON WHAT YOU SEE AND READ AND MED IS THE BEST AT THAT FACTS AS PRESENTED

ME? I LIKE TO GO PAST THE ARTICLES…DISSECT THEM AS MED DOES….BUT GO A BIT FURTHER AND KINDA LIKE…SEE INTO THEIR NEXT MOVE

Caviar Dreams: me too

mailman17: WHAT SHOULD THEY DO? WHAT IS THEIR NEXT MOVE BASED ON ARTICLES AND FACTS

flowergirl: why would CBI say they have decided to drop the 3 zeros…if it wasn’t going to go soon jmo

mailman17: LIKE MED SAID…THE RV IS NO LONGER A QUESTION IT IS COMING FG…GETTING TO THAT <)

flowergirl: sorry

mailman17: NP…JUST FUNNING YA

mailman17: WHAT THEY PRESENT IS FROM NOW TO THE FIRST OF JAN BUT ITS WHAT THEY ARE DOING THAT I LOOK AT THE TARRIFS AND TAXES..AS WE ALL KNOW ARE STILL GOING ACTIVE TOMMORROW

NOW AS MUCH AS SHABS TRIED…VERY NICELY TO ASK THEM FOR THE DELAY THEY SAID NO THE COUNCIL ON THE OTHER HAND…MALIKIS BOYS THOUGHT THEY COULD DO IT AND AS ALWAYS…THEY APPARENTLY DONT READ THE CONSTITUTION LIKE MALIKI

flowergirl: true

mailman17: THEY HAVE BEEN TOLD…ANY DELAY MUST BE FROM PARLIAMENT AND PARLIAMENT HAS TAKEN A STAND ON THIS THAT BRINGS US BACK TO SHABS HE DOESNT NEED PERMISSION TO PRINT IMO…THE BILLS ARE THERE AND HE AND THE CBI HAS STATED THEY ARE DONE READY TO GO

Caviar Dreams: i agree

mailman17: BUT WE ALSO KNOW SHABS ULTIMATUM A FORMED GOVT ESPECIALLY ONE WITHOUT MALIKI BUT HE MAY NOT GET THAT CHANCE

flowergirl: yep

mailman17: HE MAY BE FORCED TO INTRODUCE THE NEW NOTES ALONG WITH THE NEW RATE REAL SOON

jesse888:

Caviar Dreams: and usd as smalls for a bit

mailman17: BUT HE STILL NEEDS PARLIAMENT NOW

slow: sounds swell to me

mailman17: PARLIAMENT HAS AGREED TO IMPLEMENT THE TAXES AND TARRIFS KNOWING THE OUTCOME 1 BEING SHABS REDLINE AND INFLATION

I PERSONALLY DONT THINK PARLIAMENT WOULD HAVE TAKEN A HARD STANCE IKE THIS UNLESS THEY HAD SHABS BACK DOWN THE ROAD THEY HAVE THE UTMOST RESPECT FOR HIM AND BEAR HIM NO ILL WILL THEY KNOW HE KNOWS THUIS BETTER THAN ANYONE ON THE PLANET

THE ONLY THING SHABS CAN DO NOW IS TO EITHER HAVE PARLIAMENTS ASSURANCE THAT MALIKI IS NO LONGER A PROBLEM OR AT LEAST HE WONT BE VERY QUICKLY WHICH ALSO BRINGS US TO THE INTERRIGATION THEY HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH TO HANG MALIKI AND THE DAWA

Med: MM17

mailman17: AND ANYONE ELSE HEAVILY CORRUPTED YES

Med: I NEED TO INTERUPT FOR ONE MOMENT

mailman17: SHOOT

Med: THIS WILL HELP YOU PARLIAMENT STATES

mailman17: BEER?

Med: THE TARIFFS ARE IN FULL EFFECT AS OF TODAY

mailman17: BINGO

Med: OK SORRY

flowergirl: wow

Med: I THOUGHT YOU WOULD WANT TO KNOW

mailman17: GREAT NEWS

Caviar Dreams: and why wouldn’t you want you financials in place before the start of the next fiscal year when things are in turmoil now

flowergirl: awesome news Med (F)

mailman17: SURE..IT JUST MOVES MY CALENDER UP ONE DAY…LOL

W8n2cashin: sweet

mailman17: HANG ON…PHONE…BRB..WILL MAKE THIS SHORT STAY THERE…DONT MOVE

flowergirl: MM17

irishbrian: So how long now can they hang back on the RV realistically?

Med: THIS DEPENDS BRIAN

flowergirl: who knows irish

Med: ON ONE THING

irishbrian: If they don’t have the smaller denoms to use ?

Med: AND ONE THING ONLY HOW FAST DO THEY APPROACH THE REDLINE MYSELF I THINK IT CAN REDLINE IN ONE MONTH

irishbrian: I agree but did see an article from Saleh saying that buying slows down for Ramadan??

Med: OK AND WHEN IS RAMADAN

Caviar Dreams: july 19

irishbrian: August or July Aug not sure

Med: SEPTEMBER NEVER JULY IT STARTS THE END OF AUGUST AND RUNS FOR ABOUT A MONTH ABOUT THE 3RD WEEK OF SEPT

mailman17: OK..SORRY BACK

Caviar Dreams: july 19- august 18 this year

Med: IT IS OVER BUT IT IS DECIDED BY THE MOON NOT A SPECIFIC DATE

irishbrian: Apparently depends on the moon?? Bloomin werewolves

Med: HMMM OK I WILL SAY YOU ARE RIGHT BUT NEVER SINCE I HAVE BEEN DOING THIS HAS IT EVER STARTED IN JULY

irishbrian: I think I read it was August

Med: BUT CD HAD THE EXACT DATES

Caviar Dreams: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramadan

mailman17: LIKE ME AND MED DISCUSSED ALSO ON THE PHONE IS RIGHT NOW ITS NOT SO MUCH WHAT THEY ARE TELLING US IS HOW MUCH THEY ARE NOT…IT SEEMED TO US AWFULLY STRANGE THAT THEY WENT GUNHO AT MALIKI EVEN BRINGING IN CORRUPTION FILES FROM 2 SOURCES THAT SHOULD HOOSE HIM TIGHT

irishbrian: Google says Ramadan 2012 starts the 20th of July?

GAU-8: Ramadan in 2012 will start on Friday, the 20th of July and will continue for 30 days until Saturday, the 18th of August.

mailman17: YET..ITS AWFULLY QUIET

Med: I AM LISTENING I WAS CONFUSED ON THE DATE FOR RAMADAN CAUGHT ME OFF GUARD

mailman17: AND THE OTHER THING WE DISCUSSED IS THAT AS LONG AS THEY ARE UNDER 7

irishbrian: I just wish they would get his silly a** out of there pronto!

mailman17: I THOUGHT IT WAS JULY 18TH AS WELL

Caviar Dreams: well like clinton….keep him in place with no power….maliki that is

Med: YOU ARE RIGHT IS REMEMBER GIVE OR TAKE DEPENDING ON THE CRESCENT MOON

mailman17: IF MALIKI TRIED ANYTHING TO UPSURT THE GOI AND PARLIAMENT IN THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO REMOVE HIM THAT WOIULD BE CONSIDERED A DICTATOR MOVE BY THE UN AND US AND THEY WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO REMOVE HIM BY FORCE THE CRESCENT MOON LOKS LIKE A BICUIT?. LOL

irishbrian: Goodness knows what he will do he gets more and more desperate the more he sees the writing on the wall. I mean calling in special forces etc

DAYSTAR: or cookie?

Med: IT LOOKS LIKE A HOT WING THAT YOU TOOK A BITE OUT OF

mailman17: I KNOW YOU DONT LIKE TO GO OUT ON A LIMB PAL…BUT YOU SEEN MY GUT…I HAVE TO,,,ILLINOIS LAW

irishbrian: Yeah Mountainman will be in his back yard howling at it

mailman17:

DAYSTAR: lol we see what we want to see

GAU-8: cresant not croissant

Caviar Dreams: the grin on the cheshire cat

mailman17: BRIAN…HE CAN CALL EVRYONE IN IF HE WANTS ADJUST CANT USE THEM FOR ANYTHING ELSE THAN PUTTING A WALL BETWEEN HIM AND WHOEVER HE WILL STILL HAVE TO GO THE INTERROGATION AND IF NOT…HE WILL BE SERVED PAPAERS AND THE NO VOTE WILL TAKE PLACE IN 7 DAYS

irishbrian: I know MM but he has gotta be making Shabs and CBI nervous!

mailman17: AND NO AMOUNT OF BODYGUARDS IS GONNA STOP THAT AND IF THEY TRY…ENTER THE UN AND US

Caviar Dreams: and m knows it

mailman17: HE IS TRYING SHABS ISNT WORRIED ABOUT HIM AS MUCH AS HIS PLAN

Med: OK I HAVE TO MOVE TWO THINGS OFF THE TOP DECK BBL

irishbrian: U Know what Med always says about currency?

flowergirl: I read if Maliki misses two interrogation meetings, he will get a no vote of confidence

mailman17: WE JUST HAVE TO SEE HOW FAST THE CBI REACTS…AND HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE…PARLIAMENT WOULD NOT HANG SHABS OUT TO DRY UNLESS THEY BOTH AGREED ON A PLAN B

PLAN A BEING MALIKI ALREADY GONE BUT HES NOT SO ON TO PLAN B ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE I GO SURFING?

Caviar Dreams: make him inneffective

irishbrian: Yeah whens the RV and whats the rate?

Mailman17 added the rest of his thought on ..

“AND THE OTHER THING WE DISCUSSED IS THAT AS LONG AS THEY ARE UNDER 7″ (from above)

WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO IS THAT AS LONG AS THEY ARE UNDER 7…MALIKI WILL BE HELD IN CHECK AS TO ANY UNFORSEEN USE OF POWER ESPECIALLY FROM THE MILITARY

MAKE NO MISTAKE…AS FAR AS THEY HAVE SAID…IN ARTICLES…THEY ARE ON A TIMELINE FROM NOW TO JAN 1

I JUST THINK…THE TIMELINE JUST GOT CUT TO POOP

THE THINGS TO REMEMBER IS THAT SHABS HAS STATED HE IS READY…DONE…THERE IS NOTHING OUTSIDE A OF PARLIAMENTARY BLESSING THAT IS STOPPING HIM BUT WE ALSO KNOW HOW ADAMANT HE IS ABOUT GIVING AN RV AS LONG AS MALIKI IS STILL PM

THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE HE MAY NOW BE MORE OR LESS FORCED TO RETHINK THIS ALONG WITH PARLIAMENT BLESSINGS AND BACKING TO RELEASING IT A BIT EARLIER THAN PLANNED AND HOPE THAT PARLIAMENT ASSURES SHABS THAT MALIKI IS NOTHING BUT A FORGONE CONCLUSION AND A FORMED GOVT IS ALMOST THERE THAT’S WHAT I AM BANKING ON

AS TO THEIR INTENTIONS NOW..WHAT I REALLY WILL LOOK FOR IS PROGREESS IN THE INTERROGATION WHEN I SEE THAT THEN PLAN B IS IN FULL SWING

AND WE ALL KNOW THEY DO THEIR BEST WORK BEHINDS CLOSED DOORS WHICH IS WHERE THEY ARE RIGHT NOW

NOW THERE IS ONE MORE THING ME AND MED TOUCHED UPON IN OUR CALL THAT ALSO WILL SEEM SOOTHING TO YOUR EARS LOL

FOR THE LONGEST TIME MALIKI WAS ALLOWED TO USE THE CONSTITUTION AS HIS OWN FIELD TRAING GUIDE NO MATTER WHAT IT SAID…HE COULD EITHER AGREE OR REWRITE IT AS HE WENT ALONG HE NO LONGER HAS THAT OPTION AND NUJAFI IS THE ONE TO THANK ON THAT ONE EVERYTIME HE DID SOMETHING…TO TRY TO STALL NUJAFI WAS THERE TELLING HIM…UH OH…CANT DO THAT WHY NOW AND NOT BEFORE BECAUSE HIS TIME IS UP ITS NOW IRAQS TIME AND HE IS A DISPOSABLE ASSET

BUT THEY DID GIVE HIM AN OUT AND AS THE ******* THAT HE IS HE REFUSED IT NOW..HE WILL SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES ALONG WITH ANYONE ELSE BY HIS SIDE

MED ALSO DISCUSSED WITH ME THAT SADR MIGHT BE SWAYING AGAIN NO ONE JUMPS FENCES MORE THAN HIM LOL BUT I TOLD MED…I THINK ITS SADR JUST MIND DUMBING MALIKI PLAYING WITH HIM LIKE HES PLAYED OTHERS FOR SO LONG FALSE HOPE KINDA *** FOR TAT THAT’S JMO

I THINK SADR WILL BE THERE WHEN WE NEED HIM TO BE

THE OTHER THINGS WE TOUCHED ON WAS THE FACT THAT APPARENTLY A MINISTER ANNOUNCED THAT THE REVENUE SHARING MIGHT NOT BE AVAILABLE TO THE PEOPLE TILL JAN 1 YOU WANNA TELL THEM THAT? YOU WANNA TELL SADR THAT? THE KURDS?

AND LEST NOT FORGET THAT IT IS ALREADY IN THE BUDGET AND ALLOCATED REMOVAL OF IT THIS YEAR MUST COME FROM PARLIAMENT NOT SOME **** *** MINISTER WHO HAS NO BRAIN JUST SAYING

Caviar Dreams: well it’s july……sneaking up on jan. i figure about 30 days to adjust to any changes no matter how small. tariffs now….first step to rv at ramadan?…30 days to the end of ramadan…..then 4 months of ????? jmo

slow: theres a lot of that going around over there

mailman17: I THINK WHAT WE ARE SEEING IS AN ACTUAL CHANGE OF POWER

slow: for the better

mailman17: FROM A PM THAT HELD IT REAL TIGHT TO A WELL INFORMED AND UINIFIED PARLIAMENT A PARLIAMENT WE HAVE NEVER SEEN BEFORE AND A PARLIAMENT THAT HAS HAD ENOUGH

slow: yes, yes, yes bout time too

mailman17: CAVIAR…WE SHALL SEE…JUST STAY TUNED AND WE TAKE THIS ONE DAY AT A TIME

Caviar Dreams: july is gonna be fun

mailman17: INFLATION CANNOT HOLD UP TO JAN FOOD FOR THOUGHT OK PEEPS…GONNA CALL IT A NIGHT HAVE A GREAT NIGHT AND AS ALWAYS…STAY POSITIVE AND FOLLOW THE NEWS LATER

Edited July 1, 2012 by Shelley

[SWFloridaGuy]

Thanks Shelley.

[abutchbaker]

Good post.......

[respectron]

Well we will continue to wait and see

Thanks for the post Shelley

[Realdinar]

Thanks shelley, are these guys legit?

[powerpager]

Go Parliament !!!

[Shelley]

Thanks shelley, are these guys legit?

Legit ??? who knows, My feelings on Med and mailman are they are both very passionate about their research, I remember a post by Med a while back that his family are of a government back round, and he understands the inner workings of whats going on in Iraq.

That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it

[MovieMaker]

Thank you Shelley.