Marxism in America

[carlos in san diego]

Morning 40OZ! It's not that I'm a "lib" it's far worse than that! I went past communism and have gone to the extreme left to where the world ends....I'm a marxist! It really can't get much worse than that! But please let's stay on message, I'm still waiting on the proof tha Cuba is a threat to America!

I mean certainly someone could come up with a scenario? Even if they had to invent one? I mean, after all certainly somewhere in Cuba the people could conceivably find something to make that will sail over the, what is it? 96 miles of the Florida straight. I'm sure at least somebody over there is armed, even if it's an old rusty AK47. They could conceivably storm the beaches of Southern Florida and attack say a McDonnalds or something? Huh? That would really impact our GDP, huh?

Carlos

[divemaster5734]

I don't need to know him to evaluate his values, as soon as I heard him say that "Cuba was a threat to the USA"..I knew he was a brainwashed attack dog. It's his job, since he was programmed is that of "dissinformation" or you may call it "propaganda" both those discriptions mean that they are someone's vertion of the truth. These don't have a basis in the truth, as is obvious by the statement that he made.

His objective is to revisit your programming...so that you remember that you also hate Cuba and the Cubans...but, have you asked yourself...what did the Cubans ever do to me, or anyone that I know? The answer is simply NO!

Carlos

I listened to it again, and still did not hear him call Cuba a threat.

Then realized, you are taking a comparison he made and blowing it up completely out of context, then using your now misinformation(lies) to try to discredit an excellent message.

How I wondered, could you possibly talk about the global cabals, mention the Rothschilds, and in the same sentence claim there is no Marxism in America.

Either you are intentionally flip flopping on your position, or you have completely surrendered your self to slavery forever.

Either way, it only screams cowardice.

How can you call yourself a man and then refuse to stand up for anything?

The entire message in the video was to inspire people to become engaged in something more than whats for dinner tonight.

He used Cuba to describe Marxist procedures, and said those actions(banning guns, loss of 4th, 5th, and 6th amendments) are dangerous.

And HE IS CORRECT!!!

He never said Cuba itself is dangerous, YOU DID!!

And now you are claiming his whole message of becoming involved is worthless?

It might be time to decide exactly who you really are and exactly what you stand for.

To go around making sounds like you actually understand the collectivists agendas, then try to discredit anyone advocating personal responsibility is just plane deceptive and hypocritical.

[carlos in san diego]

I listened to it again, and still did not hear him call Cuba a threat.

Then realized, you are taking a comparison he made and blowing it up completely out of context, then using your now misinformation(lies) to try to discredit an excellent message.

How I wondered, could you possibly talk about the global cabals, mention the Rothschilds, and in the same sentence claim there is no Marxism in America.

Either you are intentionally flip flopping on your position, or you have completely surrendered your self to slavery forever.

Either way, it only screams cowardice.

How can you call yourself a man and then refuse to stand up for anything?

The entire message in the video was to inspire people to become engaged in something more than whats for dinner tonight.

He used Cuba to describe Marxist procedures, and said those actions(banning guns, loss of 4th, 5th, and 6th amendments) are dangerous.

And HE IS CORRECT!!!

He never said Cuba itself is dangerous, YOU DID!!

And now you are claiming his whole message of becoming involved is worthless?

It might be time to decide exactly who you really are and exactly what you stand for.

To go around making sounds like you actually understand the collectivists agendas, then try to discredit anyone advocating personal responsibility is just plane deceptive and hypocritical.

Divemaster: You were correct the General never said that Cuba was a threat! I apologise! I stand corrected. The mistake was in no way intentional. I have little patience with brainwashed people and this guy, sadly....IS!

The man did say: That similarities exist between what happened in Cuba and what is happening here, and now in America. he said he found in his" studies" the proceedures Marxism uses to achive it's end:

Myth # 1: First, start by nationalizing major sectors of the economy> Yes, true they did. He claims this is happening now, with the bailouts. Not true! With the exception of the auto industry who has been repaying their loans the bankers have not paid back a penny of the bailout money...they stole it! For the banks to be nationalised, we would own them and we don't.

Myth # 2: The second thing he said was that they redistributed the wealth. I assume he means that the Cubans took all the huge land holdings away from the elite and split them up among the peasants.This also is true! It is noteworthy that he bases this fact only on one exampleThe only example of this "fact" is what the "man appointed to handle medicare and medicare said after he was in office, "health care is the greatest redistribution of wealth" fact is that we pay taxes to have these benefits available, they are not given to us, we are not taking for the elite because they pay no taxes! I see no "wealth" being redistributed here, what I see are the elite trying to put a guilt trip on us to shame us into rejecting out off hand whta we are entitled to because they would rather free up that money so they can use it the way they want! Don't buy into this elitest rhetoric mindgame! this is definitely false!

Myth # 3: "they discredit the opposition" No duh! It was probably not hard to discredit the elite when your population is not fed, clothed, or sheltered and the fact the elite have whatever they want?

Myth # 4: Censorship, yes, I would agree that the Cubans did censor (the media) he went on to claim that it's a well known "fact" that the media in America is liberal. Personally, I find it's just the opposite. This man does not realise that the media is controlled by the elite...they WILL NEVER BE COMMUNISTS. So there is no way he can say the media is socialist or marxist.

What is happening is that the views of the controlled media are too far to the left for him...his views must be somewhere to the very far right to complain about a leftist media. Since this is rthe case, what he called a "fact" is subjective and not a fact at all.

I did not listen to the rest of the video. I see no point. This man is clearly not informed, Also, he's not capable of critical thought. He was seriously frightened by what he learned about communism, to a point to where it has become an obsesive paranoia. It's obvious, because he is afraid of something that can be explained from another perspective, if he could see things clearly, rather than to resort to witchhunts. i find most people that still believe in the EVILS of communism to have these same problems, it's irrational behaviour.

Frankly Divemaster: I'm a little tired of the personal attacks, they are unjustified, unwarranted, and mean spirited, but I understand your use of them. I'm refering to the words: "it screams of cowardice", and "you call yourself a man and refuse to stand up for anything" You don't know me and have been way to quick to judge because YOU don't underatnd. Subconscoiusly you are saying that if I agree with you, that I am not a coward and I will be standing up for something." Sorry , I stand firm, I don't need your approval or blessings to make me feel better. You divemaster, nothing could be further from the truth! I am PROUD to stand alone on this one, It would be easier to cave in and agree, but I'm no cop-out. You are wrong Divemaster! you are afraid of communism for the same reason the General is and many other GOOD folks, you brainwashed!

Carlos

[carlos in san diego]

Divemaster: I would like to comment as an afterthought to item # 2 on the General's message: The ridistribution of wealth: He cited the example I described in my response to his # 2, but, would add, that beside the "opinion" of the person who apperantly headed up the creation of medical and medicare, he offers no other proof that in fact wealth is somehow being redistributed in America. To me the only wealth that is being redistrinuted that I am aware of is just the opposite of what he describes, that is the elite bankers and Wall Street execs who have all profitted hugely from the bailouts and free money being printed by the Federal Reserve, and no one else.

At least I do not know anyone who has benefited by taking money from the elite. i don't see where my community hasd benefitted by any of their money, so...where's this huge redistribution of wealth that he's talking about? Sounds like elitest banker propaganda to give us a guilt trip for accepting medical and medicaid to me. You can believe what you want.

Thanks: Carlos

[nstoolman1]

When my "wealth" that I worked for is taken out of my paycheck and given to people that don't work, ( some get better tax refunds than the people that work) are here unlawfully and use the services intended for people that deserve them, I call that redistribution of wealth. I don't have a say in how that money is used and I don't have a choice in how much is taken.

[dcdr]

Take the time to research Lt Gen Boykin, you will be "In awe" of him versus calling him a nut job.

Don;t think ommunists are here, secret here, listen to how many candidates label themselves as being "progressives", Same people

[carlos in san diego]

Why are Americans afraid of Cuba? History refresher: In the 1890's the US sent the Battleship USS Main to Havana harbor on what I remember was a 'friendhip tour" The ship blew up in Havana harbor one evening with great loss of life. Washington was quick to blame Spainish saboteurs and since there were bad feelings among Americans towards the Spanish at the time. (media brainwashing) and the US proptly declared war on Spain, and invaded Cuba to exact revenge.

These were the glorious days of Teddy Roosevelt and the "Rough Riders" who stormed up san Juan Hill to defeat a garrison of Cubans and Spanish, gaining them full control of the island. But the US did not stop there, the US fleet that had been confined to our territorial waters set out to also conquer the neighboring island of Puerto Rico. From our Pacific coast a fleet also left America to travel over to the furthest reaches of the globe, to the only colony Spain had left, Phillipine Islands. These were also conquered by the Americans.

Our history books do not tell us what happened in Cuba during the occupation of Cuba, I don't have proof, but can guess...When the US took over Cuba, the Banker elite closed Cuba's Central Bank and installed one of their own, so that they could print Cuba's money and thus control their people. I would imagine that the same thing happened in the Phillipines.

What do I base this presumption on: History, specifically the History of the Rockerfellers and the Rothchilds, this is their stocking trade, this is classical neocon-elitest tactics tried successfully time and time again. I suspect that Fidel Castro fully knew that this was the case and saw ample reason to "Nationalize large sectors of the economy" and "redistribute the wealth"

Fidel took back the countries National Banks for the people and the elite suffered a defeat. A defeat that has been festering for generations. Cuba is currently one of the few remaining nations whose Central bank is not under the control of the Rothchilds. Others include Venezuela, and Iran. One by one, all the indipendent Central banks have fallen under the Rothchilds onslaught with the aid of the US military who does the dirty work convinced that they are fighting for their freedom, while the Bankers reap all the profits and avoid any personal risk.

Americans have no reason to fear Cuba...but Cuba has good reason to fear America. Cuba stood up to the elite and defeated them squarely. This is something Americans have yet to do.

the reason Americans are preprogrammed to hate Iran, Venezuela, and Cuba (we could also include China and Russia, Vietnam, N. Korea) is because the elite have been mentaly conditioning us for generation to prepare us mentaly to attack these countries when another false flag attack takes place, like what happened to the USS Main and 9/11.

the objective of the elite has not changed over the centuries. They want control of all world Central Banks, so that they can print the countries money and thus control the people, just like they do here and in Europe

Carlos.

[carlos in san diego]

When my "wealth" that I worked for is taken out of my paycheck and given to people that don't work, ( some get better tax refunds than the people that work) are here unlawfully and use the services intended for people that deserve them, I call that redistribution of wealth. I don't have a say in how that money is used and I don't have a choice in how much is taken.

NSToolman: I understand how you feel, I have the same problem. Especially since the wealthy manage to get away without paying any or little tax because they have influence from special friends in Washington, so therefore a greater portion of the social burden falls on thos of us working, tax paying Americans.

Please note; When you say illigals are collecting social benefits without working...you have it wrong, this is an urban myth, our systems are disigned to filter out unqualified applicants. The only place where an illigal might benefit from social programs would be at an emergency room in a hospital, because they are not allowed to refuse service to anyone.

As a Mexican American I keep a close eye on my people, both legal and illigal, and there is a difference between the two, although since they all look alike it's hard to know who's who wthout a program guide, I know what's up!

what's more...If it were true. i would be the first to admit it! Carlos

Take the time to research Lt Gen Boykin, you will be "In awe" of him versus calling him a nut job.

Don;t think ommunists are here, secret here, listen to how many candidates label themselves as being "progressives", Same people

Sure! You want me to believe that? That's paranoia talking! Carlos

[investmentportfolio]

NSToolman: I understand how you feel, I have the same problem. Especially since the wealthy manage to get away without paying any or little tax because they have influence from special friends in Washington, so therefore a greater portion of the social burden falls on thos of us working, tax paying Americans.

Please note; When you say illigals are collecting social benefits without working...you have it wrong, this is an urban myth, our systems are disigned to filter out unqualified applicants. The only place where an illigal might benefit from social programs would be at an emergency room in a hospital, because they are not allowed to refuse service to anyone.

As a Mexican American I keep a close eye on my people, both legal and illigal, and there is a difference between the two, although since they all look alike it's hard to know who's who wthout a program guide, I know what's up!

what's more...If it were true. i would be the first to admit it! Carlos

Sure! You want me to believe that? That's paranoia talking! Carlos

Care-less in San Diego: YOU ARE SUCH A LIAR!

Its very cowardly and very low of you to come on here and promulgate such deceit and falsehoods with such zeal and confidence! Im sure its taken you years to hone such a skill - maybe your training started at home at a very young age.

"CALIFORNIA ALLOWS COLLEGE AID TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS"

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/08/us-immigration-california-idUSTRE7971SK20111008

(Reuters) - California Governor Jerry Brown on Saturday signed a bill giving illegal immigrant college students access to state-funded financial aid, the second half of two-part legislation known as the "Dream Act."

The controversial measure, which passed the Democrat-controlled legislature on a party-line vote in September, represents a victory for immigrant-rights activists ahead of the 2012 presidential election. California is the nation's most populous state.

Only two other states, Texas and New Mexico, allow illegal immigrants to qualify for state financial aid for college, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

"Going to college is a dream that promises intellectual excitement and creative thinking," Brown said in a written statement issued by his office.

"The Dream Act benefits us all by giving top students a chance to improve their lives and the lives of all of us," he said.

Brown in July fulfilled a campaign promise by signing into law a companion bill to allow illegal immigrants to receive privately-funded college scholarships. Together the two bills have been dubbed the "California Dream Act."

A federal Dream Act that would have created a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants who attend college or serve in the military failed in Senate last year.

Opponents of the California Dream Act have argued that public funds should not be used to help illegal immigrants, especially as California faces deep budget woes that have prompted cuts in education and higher tuitions at the state's public colleges and universities.

"Citizens are having a hard enough time getting the classes they need now," Assemblyman Tim Donnelly, a Hesperia Republican, wrote in a September 9 letter to Brown urging him to veto the legislation.

"(California already offers) students in the country illegally in-state tuition; legally documented students from the next state over can only dream of such a benefit," Donnelly said.

California is one of about a dozen states that allows illegal immigrants to pay in-state tuition, based on attendance and graduation from a state high school.

Under the new law, written by Senator Gil Cedillo, a Los Angeles Democrat, those same illegal immigrants would be eligible for aid from the University of California, California State university system and the state's 112 community colleges.

They could also apply for Cal Grants, which are cash awards based on academic performance.

For the 2007-2008 academic year, the University of California reports that less than three-tenths of one percent of the system's 220,000 students were immigrants who qualified for in-state tuition.

More than 68 percent of those 1,941 students were U.S. citizens or "documented" immigrants, according to the University of California.

At the state universities, the new law would affect 3,633 students, or less than one percent of the 440,000 students enrolled in the current school year.

Of the nearly 2.9 million community college enrollees, 34,057 would be affected

(Writing by Dan Whitcomb; Editing by Greg McCune)

...AND...if that were not enough - with that minimum amount of California Identification, they are now able to go and apply for Food Stamps and Cash Aid! You can deny it and lie about it all you want, I meet them here at work everyday as a CSR in a * Community Center .

That they are able to apply AND collect Social Security Disability Benefits is very old news as well.

STEP ONE: They purchase a false social security number from any location - you can buy them anywhere now, whereas before the only 'hot-spot' for that was McArthur Park in Los Angeles.

STEP TWO: Advance to their local California Department of Motor Vehicles where they can purchase a California Identification Card and Drivers License!

STEP THREE: On to the Social Security Administration to apply for Disability Benefits were they use 'win' words like "Depression" and "Anxiety" - backed by a Doctor at any of the FREE Clinics and Hospitals, and PRESTO - they get $960 per month in Disability Benefits!

This is nothing new to you. You are very well aware of this; but your function is to notify, promote and strongly encourage these Illegals to run our very few remaining resources to the ground!

LET ME REPEAT THIS TO YOU JUST SO YOU KNOW I AM ON TO YOU: I MEET A VERY LARGE DEMOGRAPHIC EVERY DAY OF ILLEGALS AS A Customer Service Representative IN THE PLACE I AM EMPLOYED AT. ONE OF THE FUNCTIONS OF THE COUNSELORS EMPLOYED HERE IS TO DIRECT THE ILLEGAL RESIDENT TO ANY CURRENT HEALTH AND WELLNESS, FINANCIAL AND HOUSING RESOURCES THAT ARE, NOT MAY, BUT ARE AVAILABLE TO THEM.

I was an unbeliever until i saw it with my own eyes!

THEREFORE - YOU ARE LYING THROUGH YOUR TEETH, SIR!

[carlos in san diego]

Care-less in San Diego: YOU ARE SUCH A LIAR!

Its very cowardly and very low of you to come on here and promulgate such deceit and falsehoods with such zeal and confidence! Im sure its taken you years to hone such a skill - maybe your training started at home at a very young age.

"CALIFORNIA ALLOWS COLLEGE AID TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS"

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/08/us-immigration-california-idUSTRE7971SK20111008

(Reuters) - California Governor Jerry Brown on Saturday signed a bill giving illegal immigrant college students access to state-funded financial aid, the second half of two-part legislation known as the "Dream Act."

The controversial measure, which passed the Democrat-controlled legislature on a party-line vote in September, represents a victory for immigrant-rights activists ahead of the 2012 presidential election. California is the nation's most populous state.

Only two other states, Texas and New Mexico, allow illegal immigrants to qualify for state financial aid for college, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

"Going to college is a dream that promises intellectual excitement and creative thinking," Brown said in a written statement issued by his office.

"The Dream Act benefits us all by giving top students a chance to improve their lives and the lives of all of us," he said.

Brown in July fulfilled a campaign promise by signing into law a companion bill to allow illegal immigrants to receive privately-funded college scholarships. Together the two bills have been dubbed the "California Dream Act."

A federal Dream Act that would have created a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants who attend college or serve in the military failed in Senate last year.

Opponents of the California Dream Act have argued that public funds should not be used to help illegal immigrants, especially as California faces deep budget woes that have prompted cuts in education and higher tuitions at the state's public colleges and universities.

"Citizens are having a hard enough time getting the classes they need now," Assemblyman Tim Donnelly, a Hesperia Republican, wrote in a September 9 letter to Brown urging him to veto the legislation.

"(California already offers) students in the country illegally in-state tuition; legally documented students from the next state over can only dream of such a benefit," Donnelly said.

California is one of about a dozen states that allows illegal immigrants to pay in-state tuition, based on attendance and graduation from a state high school.

Under the new law, written by Senator Gil Cedillo, a Los Angeles Democrat, those same illegal immigrants would be eligible for aid from the University of California, California State university system and the state's 112 community colleges.

They could also apply for Cal Grants, which are cash awards based on academic performance.

For the 2007-2008 academic year, the University of California reports that less than three-tenths of one percent of the system's 220,000 students were immigrants who qualified for in-state tuition.

More than 68 percent of those 1,941 students were U.S. citizens or "documented" immigrants, according to the University of California.

At the state universities, the new law would affect 3,633 students, or less than one percent of the 440,000 students enrolled in the current school year.

Of the nearly 2.9 million community college enrollees, 34,057 would be affected

(Writing by Dan Whitcomb; Editing by Greg McCune)

...AND...if that were not enough - with that minimum amount of California Identification, they are now able to go and apply for Food Stamps and Cash Aid! You can deny it and lie about it all you want, I meet them here at work everyday as a CSR in a * Community Center .

That they are able to apply AND collect Social Security Disability Benefits is very old news as well.

STEP ONE: They purchase a false social security number from any location - you can buy them anywhere now, whereas before the only 'hot-spot' for that was McArthur Park in Los Angeles.

STEP TWO: Advance to their local California Department of Motor Vehicles where they can purchase a California Identification Card and Drivers License!

STEP THREE: On to the Social Security Administration to apply for Disability Benefits were they use 'win' words like "Depression" and "Anxiety" - backed by a Doctor at any of the FREE Clinics and Hospitals, and PRESTO - they get $960 per month in Disability Benefits!

This is nothing new to you. You are very well aware of this; but your function is to notify, promote and strongly encourage these Illegals to run our very few remaining resources to the ground!

LET ME REPEAT THIS TO YOU JUST SO YOU KNOW I AM ON TO YOU: I MEET A VERY LARGE DEMOGRAPHIC EVERY DAY OF ILLEGALS AS A Customer Service Representative IN THE PLACE I AM EMPLOYED AT. ONE OF THE FUNCTIONS OF THE COUNSELORS EMPLOYED HERE IS TO DIRECT THE ILLEGAL RESIDENT TO ANY CURRENT HEALTH AND WELLNESS, FINANCIAL AND HOUSING RESOURCES THAT ARE, NOT MAY, BUT ARE AVAILABLE TO THEM.

I was an unbeliever until i saw it with my own eyes!

THEREFORE - YOU ARE LYING THROUGH YOUR TEETH, SIR!

I would have been lying had I known what you just presented before I wrote what did. I would imagine that it probably took a lot of work to find this, I dare say! I hope that you enjoyed your moment of basking in the limelight ! I guess I really hit a nerve when you read what I posted. So...you come out of the woodwork and in an angry tone accuse me of lying? A REAL man would have given me the benefit of the doubt and presented the evidence in a non confrontational way, instead of accusing me of being a liar! To you it does not matter how you win, as long as YOUR POLITICAL VIEWS WIN. That's pretty low!

I imagine your anger simmered for some time while you learked through this thread hanging on my every word, And, probably could not sleep thinking about how you would get back at me....I'm not loosing any sleep, nor will I ever stalk you over anything you say! The angry tone of your message won't intimidate me or stop me. Your angry tone only tells me that you have insecurity issues and suffer from cronic frustration. Enjoy your life, I enjoy mine,

Getting back to the issue at hand, so this law allowes Illigals to receive and education? Good! I think it's an excellent idea! I think everybody should be educated, legal or not. Education and free medical services are a right most people in third world all enjoy! that's why they pay taxes, to receive this benefit.

On the other hand, in this country, we have a completely different situation. The elite working through their paid politicians and controlled and scripted media, have been trying to brainwash the American electorate into believing that any social program is bad for the country and is bankrupting us, when in fact they and their buddies live the good life with our bailout monies and printing ever increasing numbers of dollars that they can spend at their leisure, while millions of Americans are out of work and desperate for any help that they can get. the elite have decided that health care, social security and unemployement are free handout we are not entitled to. They are brainwashing YOU!

Don't get too upset, now, and blow a gasket! Carlos

[investmentportfolio]

I would have been lying had I known what you just presented before I wrote what did. I would imagine that it probably took a lot of work to find this, I dare say! I hope that you enjoyed your moment of basking in the limelight ! I guess I really hit a nerve when you read what I posted. So...you come out of the woodwork and in an angry tone accuse me of lying? A REAL man would have given me the benefit of the doubt and presented the evidence in a non confrontational way, instead of accusing me of being a liar! To you it does not matter how you win, as long as YOUR POLITICAL VIEWS WIN. That's pretty low!

I imagine your anger simmered for some time while you learked through this thread hanging on my every word, And, probably could not sleep thinking about how you would get back at me....I'm not loosing any sleep, nor will I ever stalk you over anything you say! The angry tone of your message won't intimidate me or stop me. Your angry tone only tells me that you have insecurity issues and suffer from cronic frustration. Enjoy your life, I enjoy mine,

Getting back to the issue at hand, so this law allowes Illigals to receive and education? Good! I think it's an excellent idea! I think everybody should be educated, legal or not. Education and free medical services are a right most people in third world all enjoy! that's why they pay taxes, to receive this benefit.

On the other hand, in this country, we have a completely different situation. The elite working through their paid politicians and controlled and scripted media, have been trying to brainwash the American electorate into believing that any social program is bad for the country and is bankrupting us, when in fact they and their buddies live the good life with our bailout monies and printing ever increasing numbers of dollars that they can spend at their leisure, while millions of Americans are out of work and desperate for any help that they can get. the elite have decided that health care, social security and unemployement are free handout we are not entitled to. They are brainwashing YOU!

Don't get too upset, now, and blow a gasket! Carlos

You are so Busted! It is very noted how you have so cleverly and casually backed off and walked away from this serious topic and have instead resorted to such Caddy-ness! Wow! That comes natural to you as well, however. I dont mind tellin' ya that I have not heard "basking", "Limelight", "hit a nerve" "simmered" etc. etc. since i was a child.

By all the negatives you have recieved...I think the Tribe has spoken: Time for you to leave....

TKO'd already

[carlos in san diego]

Serious topic? what serious topic? Oh...that's right you found and article where California's Governor just signed a law allowing undocumented aliens to go to school. So? Does that mean that our Nations social problems and financial default problems is due to that? If you think this....then you're in lalaland! The "serious topic" is important to you, not me.

The amount spent on these individual is CHUMP CHANGE compared to the mass thievery that has been going on with the people you support. Personally, I believe we should all pay taxes, including the elite and their corporations, and in return for these taxes, we get free education and free health care! Health insurance and the health care system is an elite scam,

Listen...you really need to stop listening to the hate monger, shock jocks like Limbagh and Savage. They work for the extreme right wing. The Both parties work for the elite, but the right wing does not try and hide it as much as the left.

These shock jocks catter to the huge mass that is the uninformed American public. Generally the ones that the media already has well brainwashed... these same people just repeat what they hear, they can't think for themselves. You are one of them.

No, I do not need to go anywhere. Many people on this forum that read my words have found them to be true, they know I'm not perfect. But they understand my intentions, and many support me. If you do or not, I don't care. You will see me, if you look, posting a contrary opinions whenever I find a thread that supports the brainwashing of America.

I will poke holes in your elitest rhetoric anytime you want to repeat them like a trained parrot. My position is very clear, I support the people's right to the constitution. I don't support the greedy bankers that have taken over this country and bankrupt us in the process. The rhetoric they use to brainwash you is what I fight against! This is where I stand. You still have to make up your mind! I don't.

Carlos

[Acepup]

How dare you, Carlos, call this American hero a "wacko." You ungraetful piece of .....! Heroes like Boykin have served America WELL..., to give jerks the freedom to speak their mind!

Many called General Patton a nut, also. But historians later said he was right in wanting to invade Russsia. What are your credentials fella?

You hit the nail on the head!

The Dude abides...

[40oz]

Personally, I believe we should all pay taxes, including the elite and their corporations, and in return for these taxes, we get free education and free health care! Health insurance and the health care system is an elite scam.

If you want freedom, you must have the smallest possible government.

That being said, IMO, in the future, free healthcare could possibly be an option if we were to drastically reduce the size and function of our current government. As is, and also IMO, we currently spend our "free" healthcare money in an effort to control every other country in the world, killing instead of healing.

While the notion of "free" healthcare may be appealing to many, the truth is we cannot afford it right now. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

[R2D2]

HHHHhhMMMmMMmmm! I am now thinking we should rename this thread, Carlos brainwashing thread. Or maybe carlos answers all questions with his knowedge of brainwashing. Or carlos every one that disagrees with carlos is brainwashed.

Perhaps he has had no opinion when he lived in cuba he just can't let it go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[carlos in san diego]

HHHHhhMMMmMMmmm! I am now thinking we should rename this thread, Carlos brainwashing thread. Or maybe carlos answers all questions with his knowedge of brainwashing. Or carlos every one that disagrees with carlos is brainwashed.

Perhaps he has had no opinion when he lived in cuba he just can't let it go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

R2D2: Sorry to bogart the thread. That was'nt my intention at all. I'm defending myself, as usuual. I was brainwashed 6 months ago. I was completely confused about many things. I lived under the pretense that what the media and our government officials said was true. Then I started following articles posted on this forum, and things started to make sense.

I've done some reaserch on my own, following leads and have become fully convinced that the issue is true. Please see Lord Dinars video posted today, about an IRS agent outing the Federal Reserve and what happened to him. Hopefully you will see how large this conspiracy is!

I've decided that the only thing I can do to help the situation is to SPEAK UP! To try and change people's perspectives and views about what we are experiencing in this country.

I've come to the same conclution as many that the more you undestand, the more you are convinced that what passes for information from the msm and our politicians is DIRECTLY OPPOSITE of the truth. The dots connect if you allow yourself to think for yourself. First remove the vail of party dogma, misinformation, rhetoric, and lies that we have been fed for decades and look at the issues with a skeptical view, and ask yourself who ultimately benefits from what's going on? Is it us?

Then ask yourself if you are the type of person that will sit by the wayside and watch a crime take place? Will you do something? Or, are you too afraid of the consequences of getting involved?

Everybody need to decide this for himself. I've made my decission. The dye is cast for me and there is no turning back. At least when people are engaged, they are thinking, this tells me that wether you agree or not you are engaged. I'm satisfied I've accomplished my mission.

In the meantime, I'll try and be as polite and civilised as I can. If people get angry about what I say, they need to examine their own selves. I grew up in Latin America, I am bilingual and bicultural. I see things from a different perpective.

Speaking of perspectives, I have some Australian Mates that went to Cuba for holiday. They told me that Cuba has the highest per capita college graduates in the western hemisphere. At the Hotel were they stayed, their waiter was a surgeon, they have too many doctors. They also said the women were beautiful and very friendly. If anyone is interested, AeroMexico flights leave Tijuana on a weekly basis for Cuba. Someday, I will also go!

Carlos

[thegente]

. First remove the vail of party dogma, misinformation, rhetoric, and lies that we have been fed for decades and look at the issues with a skeptical view, and ask yourself who ultimately benefits from what's going on? Is it us?

GREAT advice my friend..once folks learn we are ALL being deceived by BOTH sides, maybe eveyone can realize we are ALL Americans, and unite against the crooks that have been screwing us for decades. Wishful thinking on my part, but I still think there may be hope, if folks can stop attacking one another for 5 minutes, and un-learn all the BS that's been shoved down our throats at every turn since birth. Thx all

[nstoolman1]

Getting back to the issue at hand, so this law allowes Illigals to receive and education? Good! I think it's an excellent idea! I think everybody should be educated, legal or not. Education and free medical services are a right most people in third world all enjoy! that's why they pay taxes, to receive this benefit.

On the other hand, in this country, we have a completely different situation. The elite working through their paid politicians and controlled and scripted media, have been trying to brainwash the American electorate into believing that any social program is bad for the country and is bankrupting us, when in fact they and their buddies live the good life with our bailout monies and printing ever increasing numbers of dollars that they can spend at their leisure, while millions of Americans are out of work and desperate for any help that they can get. the elite have decided that health care, social security and unemployement are free handout we are not entitled to. They are brainwashing YOU!

My point was that in order for the undocumented(People that are breaking the laws of the USA) workers to receive this aid MY POCKETS ARE GETTING PICKED by politicians who are willing to sell me out to get the vote from freeloading people who don't work, have never worked and have no intention of working. Undocumented workers get paid in the US and send their money to their home country while drawing aid from the government taken from the working stiffs of this state. They are getting special treatment from the police department in L.A.( on orders from the Mayor or city counsel) in regards to having their cars towed if they get a traffic ticket or caught with no drivers license. If I get caught they take my vehicle and possibly get tossed in jail. THEY ARE BREAKING THE LAW. They should be deported and when they have legally gone through the process of imigration then they are more than welcome to come back, work and PAY TAXES. I don't understand what is so hard or complicated about this concept. BREAK THE LAW, GO TO JAIL.

[carlos in san diego]

If you want freedom, you must have the smallest possible government.

That being said, IMO, in the future, free healthcare could possibly be an option if we were to drastically reduce the size and function of our current government. As is, and also IMO, we currently spend our "free" healthcare money in an effort to control every other country in the world, killing instead of healing.

While the notion of "free" healthcare may be appealing to many, the truth is we cannot afford it right now. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

40OZ;

In a world without government, what's going to happen in a city like Los Angeles, with, what? 20 million? Or Mexico City, with 30 million? A system of no government sound appealing to me and would work in a village or small town where locals fend for themselves, but the fact is that most people around the world live near: - large cities. And there's what? 6 billion or 7?

I think the problems are obvious.The problem that we have right now is (among many) A small group of very wealthy bankers that stealthfully over the last 60 years has quietly taken over our government. They have taken over every department of the Federal government and states governments, they have complete control our our complete industry, and print their own money and force us to pay taxes to them to pay down the debt that they created when they bailed themselves out. They continue to print money non-stop. If the Fed were to stop printing the economy would fall flat on it's face overnight.

these people have taken over by controlling the media so that we would not become aware of their illigal activities, the media has also served them in brainwashing the American people through psychological warfare, and lies.

From what I'm hearing from the media and our elected officials is a sense that we cannot afford anything, that "we the people" are spending too much and that we need to prepare ourselves for cuts...and everything is on the table...Social security, medicare,etc. When in fact the largest portion of our budget has been our military, who has for decades unknowingly been a servant only to the elite in their wars while they told us that we were fighting for our freedoms, and helping stabilize countries for democracy! (brainwashing)

I think in a perfect world this standing army and navy should be limited to a national defence force like many countries have and the money that this would save our tax payers is trillions over years. In fact every government agency is set up to serve only the elite by taking YOUR money from you in fees and taxes, etc. fact is we need to end foreign wars, and foreign aid!

,Most government agencies that we pay for need to go...IRS, The Fed, FDA, dept of Education, dept of Energy, etc. We need to restructure our government to work for us. I think we would all be surprised how much money would suddenly become available. We could be the richest nation on earth.

Carlos

I suspect those that say we should have less government are afraid of ANY oversight, and we need just the opposite! lack of oversight on Wall Street and the Fed has caused all our problems

that we have now

[divemaster5734]

R2D2: Sorry to bogart the thread. That was'nt my intention at all. I'm defending myself, as usuual. I was brainwashed 6 months ago. I was completely confused about many things. I lived under the pretense that what the media and our government officials said was true. Then I started following articles posted on this forum, and things started to make sense.

I've done some reaserch on my own, following leads and have become fully convinced that the issue is true.

I've decided that the only thing I can do to help the situation is to SPEAK UP!

I've come to the same conclution as many that the more you undestand, the more you are convinced that what passes for information from the msm and our politicians is DIRECTLY OPPOSITE of the truth.

Then ask yourself if you are the type of person that will sit by the wayside and watch a crime take place? Will you do something? Or, are you too afraid of the consequences of getting involved?

Everybody need to decide this for himself. I've made my decission. The dye is cast for me and there is no turning back. At least when people are engaged, they are thinking, this tells me that wether you agree or not you are engaged. I'm satisfied I've accomplished my mission.

In the meantime, I'll try and be as polite and civilised as I can. If people get angry about what I say, they need to examine their own selves. I grew up in Latin America, I am bilingual and bicultural. I see things from a different perpective.

Speaking of perspectives, I have some Australian Mates that went to Cuba for holiday. They told me that Cuba has the highest per capita college graduates in the western hemisphere. At the Hotel were they stayed, their waiter was a surgeon, they have too many doctors. They also said the women were beautiful and very friendly. If anyone is interested, AeroMexico flights leave Tijuana on a weekly basis for Cuba. Someday, I will also go!

Carlos

Carlos,

I did look through some of your posts and I completely believe you have come to the realization that our government has been deceiving us for a very long time.

Also, I understand your position. I am a 2nd generation American. both sides of my family came from eastern Europe just before or at the start of WW2.

After getting a purple heart in the Korean war my dad went to night school for 14 years and earned a PH.d.

He was finally able to buy a new home. The narrow minded bigots in the neighborhood just call us "the commies" because my mom's side escaped Russia to Poland, then came to the US.

My dad's side were German Jews that were able to find a way out.

I know the dark side of prejudice.

That is also why I understand your passion. Nothing makes me angrier than being unfairly labeled, or malicious lies being spread.

I know you, as I, would up getting in fights at least up to High School just because some moron decided they could get away with it because we were only "second class".

Living like that during the formative years teaches you to make instant decisions that have a direct affect on your own safety.

So that is how I came to realize I don't believe you have intentionally posted anything just to antagonize a discussion in order to just create controversy.

That is why I am even bothering with this comment, if I thought you didn't give a darn I wouldn't bother.

All that being said, please take an extra moment before posting a snap decision.

You are a stand up guy, when you are right you won't back down, and when you are wrong you are man enough to admit it and go on.

That is good, and very much appreciated.

However, in making a couple instant decisions you made a couple posts that completely destroyed the intent of the topic posted, only to discover later you acted too quickly.

All that does is offend the original poster, and effectively ends the threads purpose.

Don't take this wrong, I have had to take back words more than once, we are all human.

I do appreciate you perspective, and overall you have good input .

So don't stop posting, but please do take an extra moment to understand the full intent, or content of a post before potentially taking that on a course it was never intended for.

You are also absolutely correct, we definitely need to keep bringing information to people to let them understand the depth and seriousness of our social/political/economic situation.

DM

Edited April 5, 2012 by divemaster5734

[carlos in san diego]

I'm humbled by your words and appreciate your sincerity. It's all good bro! I just recently learned to remove the hate form my own heart, I know what it's like! I'm glad I was persistent with you divemaster, looks like my efforts are bearing fruit!

Carlos

[carlos in san diego]

Please see RSTOOLMAN, post # 43: (System would not let me use quote feature)

Your welcome to blame anyone you want for the countries problems! I don't care! But, while your focused on your pet pieves, please don't loose your sense of situational awareness, because in case you have'nt noticed the economy is crashing. It's deliberately being crashed by the elite to bankrupt all of us. These people have not been just picking your pocket, they have been RAPPING you all of your life, while they told you that they were doing this for your own good.

I'd recommend you become aware and prepare yourself for what's to come. And I trully hope that when your economy crashes that you never have to look for work as an illigal in a country where they hate your guts.

Carlos

GREAT advice my friend..once folks learn we are ALL being deceived by BOTH sides, maybe eveyone can realize we are ALL Americans, and unite against the crooks that have been screwing us for decades. Wishful thinking on my part, but I still think there may be hope, if folks can stop attacking one another for 5 minutes, and un-learn all the BS that's been shoved down our throats at every turn since birth. Thx all

Thanks Bro! I feel EXACTLY the same way! carlos

[40oz]

40OZ;

In a world without government, what's going to happen in a city like Los Angeles, with, what? 20 million? Or Mexico City, with 30 million? A system of no government sound appealing to me and would work in a village or small town where locals fend for themselves, but the fact is that most people around the world live near: - large cities. And there's what? 6 billion or 7?

I never said no government, I said as small as possible. Which means I completely agree with you on everything that posted, especially this:

I think in a perfect world this standing army and navy should be limited to a national defence force like many countries have and the money that this would save our tax payers is trillions over years. In fact every government agency is set up to serve only the elite by taking YOUR money from you in fees and taxes, etc. fact is we need to end foreign wars, and foreign aid!

,Most government agencies that we pay for need to go...IRS, The Fed, FDA, dept of Education, dept of Energy, etc. We need to restructure our government to work for us. I think we would all be surprised how much money would suddenly become available. We could be the richest nation on earth.

But I can't for the life of me understand why you wrote this:

I suspect those that say we should have less government are afraid of ANY oversight, and we need just the opposite! lack of oversight on Wall Street and the Fed has caused all our problems

that we have now

[carlos in san diego]

40 OZ: I quote myself, as I'm having probs using quote feature...I quotw myself. " I suspect those that say we should have less government are afraid of ANY oversight, and we need just the opposite! Lack of oversight on Wall Street and the Fed has caused the problems that we now have".

I have suspected that the origins of this "less government" issue, got out in the hands of the public through the usual means: political candidates and the MSM. It appears to me that it's just another attack against the government agencies that WORK FOR THE PEOPLE providing social relief, and not the elite. I believe it's the elite's goal to eliminate all public services, because they only "waste" money and don't create any revenue for the elite.

One thing that sticks out in my mind as alarming that I have learned about the elite, is that when they have a goal that benefits them and not the public, they brainwash the electorate through many means and over a long period of time into accepting this issue that they want pushed forward. I have heard that the final step of the elite in this process, is to actually get the people to ASK FOR THE CHANGES THEMSELVES, convinced that this would be good for them when in fact it's just the opposite.

We need to remember that the conventional way we see the government that has come down to us over the decades, as being there to serve us, is just an superficial illution, because the Elite ARE THE GOVERNMENT, it's no longer ours as we thought. So lets not get confused on this.

So when 'they' talk about less government, they actually mean the agencies that "they" feel are a complete waste of money such as Social Security, welfare, unemployment, medicaid . And, also those 'they' feel are intrusive to their criminal activities, such as agencies designed to provide financial oversight of their activities. On the other hand the government agencies they "like" are for example the IRS...these attack dogs really bring in the money!

It's real mind game to keep the players straight without a cheat sheet. I hope this makes sense. Thanks for the interest 40OZ. Carlos

Edited April 5, 2012 by carlos in san diego

[divemaster5734]

I'm humbled by your words and appreciate your sincerity. It's all good bro! I just recently learned to remove the hate form my own heart, I know what it's like! I'm glad I was persistent with you divemaster, looks like my efforts are bearing fruit!

Carlos

40 OZ: I quote myself, as I'm having probs using quote feature...I quotw myself. " I suspect those that say we should have less government are afraid of ANY oversight, and we need just the opposite! Lack of oversight on Wall Street and the Fed has caused the problems that we now have".

I have suspected that the origins of this "less government" issue, got out in the hands of the public through the usual means: political candidates and the MSM. It appears to me that it's just another attack against the government agencies that WORK FOR THE PEOPLE providing social relief, and not the elite. I believe it's the elite's goal to eliminate all public services, because they only "waste" money and don't create any revenue for the elite.

One thing that sticks out in my mind as alarming that I have learned about the elite, is that when they have a goal that benefits them and not the public, they brainwash the electorate through many means and over a long period of time into accepting this issue that they want pushed forward. I have heard that the final step of the elite in this process, is to actually get the people to ASK FOR THE CHANGES THEMSELVES, convinced that this would be good for them when in fact it's just the opposite.

We need to remember that the conventional way we see the government that has come down to us over the decades, as being there to serve us, is just an superficial illution, because the Elite ARE THE GOVERNMENT, it's no longer ours as we thought. So lets not get confused on this.

So when 'they' talk about less government, they actually mean the agencies that "they" feel are a complete waste of money such as Social Security, welfare, unemployment, medicaid . And, also those 'they' feel are intrusive to their criminal activities, such as agencies designed to provide financial oversight of their activities. On the other hand the government agencies they "like" are for example the IRS...these attack dogs really bring in the money!

It's real mind game to keep the players straight without a cheat sheet. I hope this makes sense. Thanks for the interest 40OZ. Carlos

It sound like you have just started your journey "through the rabbit hole".

I am heartened that more and more people are waking up.

There are some of us that have been trying to open minds for a very long time.

When the village idiot was elected I was outraged. That was when I started looking closer.

If you have only become aware in the last 6 months you need to realize that while a site may seem to declare individualism and purveyors of "truth" they may actually be intentional "misinformation" outlets.

Look at the tea Party.

Did you know the express was started by the same law office that ran the bush jr campaign?

They are not patriots.

There are dozens of claimed "patriot" and tea party sites that are actually registered in the Netherlands.

Have you had a chance to read up on the inappropriate relationship the US government has with Monsanto seed co.?

In six month's you have just started to scratch the surface.

I have 5 external hard drives packed with documentaries, books, essays, and research, and even that is only beginning to paint an inclusive picture.

What 40oz understands is we don't need a huge government watching every move and telling us how to live and what to buy.

A limited government free from corruption that adheres to constitutional mandates and scope is all we need to prosper.

If the politicians were not corrupt the global corporations would not get away with their many ethical and moral breech's.

Do you understand almost everything the government is doing they base on the interstate commerce clause?

Wow, that's crazy. They do a 4am swat raid on an Amish farmer because someone that might buy his milk might take it and drive across the state line?

Or they hold joint patent rights with Monsanto seed co, and so "allow" test plants in national forests to demonstrate how safe the GM seeds are, without bothering to do any safety tests themselves.

or that US patent office granted Monsanto a patent on a pig DNA strain, and now farmers across Europe are desperately trying to find a lab to chart the DNA in the pigs they have continuously bred for hundreds or sometimes thousands of years?

If they don't identify every genome now they may have pay "royalties" to Monsanto when they sell the pigs.

There are several of us here that have been doing our own research for a number of years.

If you have any questions or are looking for reference materials just ask, there is a lot of material that has "disappeared" over the last 3 or 4 years, only to "reappear" completely modified from its original form and no longer of any value.

Then also, the US gov spends millions of dollars every month with Google to "own" certain keywords and phrases.

Where a simple search used to yield quality results that same search will now only point you to a government propaganda page.