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Adam.....being that you have more experience than most of us on this investment and contacts that you state you talk to regularly, why is it that we can never seem to get a accurate translation on articles coming out of Iraq. Would it not be beneficial for you to get someone on board with us that actually knows the language and can accurately translate them for us? That would significantly lower the confusion and contradictory articles. Plus IMO most of the articles just sound like ramblings of who and where with a couple of key words like "increase" or "in the coming days" thrown in just to shake it up a bit. A lot of us just scroll down to the comments and hope someone understood what was said and sum it up. Then you get the debates over interpretations and so on and so on. Having a correctly translated article from an "Adam" approved translator would add extra confidence and uniqueness to this site.....plus understandability.

I have been looking for a great home remedies book for awhile without success. I want one that has pretty much anything in it for most common ailments. That way when the kids get sick or have a problem I can quickly take care of it. Common cures for common problems all in one book that actually works. I have found that a lot of books have exotic and hard to find ingredients or they help but don't cure the problem. I don't know if this kind of book is out there but maybe someone knows of one.

I spent so much time in the LOP section trying to learn the "other side" of this investment. Anyone is welcome to click on my page and read my thoughts.......AGAINST THE LOP i might add. I am far from being a lopster. I rarely comment at all on anything. When I am learning about something tho, I ask the hard questions and like to get answers that do not sound like they were born from Washington. Like I stated already, I understand Adam's stance on things and what he does behind the scenes. I'm not saying he does "Nothing" around here. I am just stating an observation that many share. Please feel free to actually Read my comments in the LOP section. Not a negative nelly here....

I completely agree. There is a growing concern about Adam and his lack of presence and information. At least once and sometimes twice a month he always seems to be in such a rush that he makes a showing and then quickly leaves with the promise of coming back later. Sometimes he does and sometimes he does not. I have personally got that feeling that we are just a hobby and not taken seriously anymore. Adam only has 1 time a week to present his thoughts and perspectives on matters from the previous and current week. So 4 times a month is not asking for much for paying people on this site. I myself am invested in Adam's other optional post investment opportunities because I believe it is a very logical plan with great possibilities for success. With that said, I respect Adam and value his input. The problem is that there has not been that much input on things for awhile now that a little common sense and digging would bring for yourself. This is "Not" meant to be an attack on Adam. Just an observation that many have been noticing. If I wanted political answers that do not state one thing or the other then I would get into politics. I understand Adam's stance and not wanting to be like all the so called Guru's....and definitely respect that fact. But when you are the owner of the best dinar info site and have a small legion of investors on your side, I believe a little more attention from Adam should be brought to the table. If Adam is so rushed every time he has to do his chat with us, then change the day or the time of the day where more attention can be shown to us. Again I am not trying to attack you Adam, but there is a growing concern that needs to be addressed. I greatly respect your opinion, knowledge, and insight about this pre and post investment....when it is given. Nobody likes feeling like an inconvenience. Hopefully one day we will be a very powerful group of investors and will be looking toward your leadership for guidance. It just seems like your interest in us has been falling off the radar for some time now.

I don't mind it being 1pm and nothing yet......just as long when Adam does get back with us, he is not vague. I have noticed here lately (like the past 6 months at least) that there have not been many details of anything from Adam lately and he always seems to be "in a rush". He built up this anticipation from yesterdays weekly chat so I hope he at least comes back with Details of what he thought was happening, where he got the info (I.E. contact, phone call from a friend, something in the news), and why it didn't follow through. I respect the fact that Adam does not like to comment on things until he has all the info.....but it rarely gets brought back up and is then lost into the multitude of threads on this forum. Not trying to sound negative.....I just do not want to hear "Still waiting on some EXCITING NEWS! Will get back with you on next weeks chat" or "Sorry folks for the build up but things did not work out like I was informed, so now onto questions!" Adam please bring details to the table....I'm not talking about contact names or ridiculous stuff like that....just something with some substance and not sounding like a political answer so you can't be pinned down to it later. A lot of people look to you for the truth because of your track record. With all the misinformation that comes from all the sources (even reliable news articles), you are the one that helps us with what is actually going on and what is not.

Can someone explain why this is such a BIG DEAL? Is it because of the 100 billion budget amount or something else? I just don't see the big uproar over passing something that is almost 3 months past due...and with have to be done again at years end. Im not being negative, I just do not understand.

Look.....the whole global warming issue was debunked a couple of years back. All of the data that was used was specifically placed in most of the world's "hot spots" to make the data show that the whole earth was warming when in actuality the past decade really showed that the earth has been slightly cooling. This is why you don't hear that much about the Global Warming issue anymore. False data and false scientific analysis were printed and a lot of the countries that sent in their REAL data noticed that their numbers had been altered to show higher temperatures. It was a worldwide ponzie scheme to gain more control and power over everyone and pass laws that would tax everything that had breathed or moved. I mean come on!......they even tried to present so-called evidence that cow's flatchulence was causing global warming.....and what did they do?.....nothing, just tried to pass a law saying that cattle ranchers and feedlots had to pay more money for all the global warming that their cows were helping to cause! How ridiculous is that. Do i believe pollution is a problem and needs to be addressed? Yes Should we all try to live a cleaner environment and not be so wasteful? Yes Is it because if we don't then we will eliminate the ozone layer and all fry or cause another Ice Age? Absolutely Not

I'd take million off your hands. I live in Canadian but I'm out on a job right now in the oil field and probably wont be back for a week or two. E-mail is oatman_230@yahoo.com if you want to sell and let me know for how much.

There are correct and incorrect statements that i see going on about this thread and i would just like to say that if anyone reading or commenting on this post has ever had doubt, unanswerable questions, and noticed a lot of conflicting statements from the many christian religions out there....then please pick up Walter J. Veith's "Total Onslaught" series. It's 36 disc DVD set and I personally have never seen the bible presented in this way before. He covers everything in a very clear, common sense perspective and leaves absolutely no room for error or doubt afterwards. He does not give his opinion or conjecture on what he thinks the bible is saying....just quotes the bible. You can go here http://amazingdiscoveries.org/webstore/us/p to get it. It's $260 but well worth it. It will confirm your faith if you are a believer, and it most likely will bring you to Christ if you don't believe. I'm not trying to pump sales for this guy or anything like that. I have been searching for real answers for many many years and always ran into a brick wall somewhere. If you can go out and spend almost $1200 for 1 million dinar then I implore you take the time to invest in Jesus Christ. These videos will change your outlook on life, and in the lord. If we had already had the RV, I promise every one of you that if you asked for a set of his, I would gladly purchase it myself and send it to you. Unfortunately we are waiting for it still. But on an end note and just something to think about.....Do you think you know your bible? Have you ACTUALLY READ the whole thing from front to back without skipping through some stuff? If you say yes then I'll ask this 1 question. Q: Everyone know the story of Noah and Flood....even little children, so "How many of every kind of animal and living creature went into the Ark?" Was it 2 by 2?......2 elephants, 2 lions, 2 dear....ect. Go read your bible learn something new for the day and then ask yourself why it is taught to us differently, and why are the facts not read aloud in the bible? Then ask yourself, "If the preachers and sunday school teachers are not teaching the real story of Noah and the Flood, then what else are they not teaching and may be unaware of?" Seek and ye shall find.

Uh you may need to re-read that again. He clearly states that they have "1 million US DOLLARS WORTH" of dinar....so yes, that would be 1 billion dinar between the both of them.

Stop the brakes right there! He didn't inherit the over 14 trillion deficit we now have. Every choice he has made has done nothing but further the decline of this once great nation. Whatever happened to his garunteed plan to reduce the deficit by 50%, or the promises of everything will be made open to the public and no more backdoor deals and secret pay-offs? Hell, just even making the visitors list to the white house public! My point is he has never taken responsibility for his actions and decisions....but he has always pointed the finger and placed blame. Don't make excuses for him, thats what he signed on for when began running in the first place. You dont take a job and then blame the previous guy for ALL of your failed attempts and blatent lack of judgement.

I believe it will be the same there as it would be here. The smart ones will finds ways to invest and maintain or grow their wealth, and the not so smart ones will be broke in a year or two.

I agree....a waste. Next time you are bored, try researching this investment or try staring at the wall. That would have been more productive than this post.

sorry to burst your bubble but that is not correct. Quote: Limited Time Only, Limited Amounts of 500 Dinar Notes In Stock, First Come First Served and also-We have 5,000 Iraqi Dinar Notes and Vietnamese Dong in Stock and Ready to Ship! Its right there on the site. They are not saying that is all they have left and are ONLY selling 500 dinar notes and dongs. They are just saying "Get'em while they're hot!" because of the huge mark-up. $1,000,000 Dinar in 25k uncirculated notes-$1,180 $1,000,000 Dinar in 500 uncirculated notes-$3,750 Over 3X more......go check it out That is what the big hype is here lately for getting the smaller denoms.

Try these 2 sites and get what you can out of them. Just remember that there are not many records from back then so this is what I could dig up real quick. Hope it helps. http://articlesofinterest-kelley.blogspot.com/2011/01/kuwaits-revaluation-brief-history-what.html http://www.google.com/search?q=kuwait+currency+history&hl=en&safe=off&tbs=tl:1&tbo=u&ei=vLORTPrTBYOClAfMqLSkCg&sa=X&oi=timeline_result&ct=title&resnum=11&ved=0CEkQ5wIwCg http://www.nytimes.com/1991/03/25/world/after-the-war-no-electricity-but-kuwait-reopens-its-banks.html This article is also from the New York Times and was printed just one week BEFORE the Kuwaiti Banks reopened and they clearly say that the Kuwaiti Dinar was worthless. 7 Days AFTER this article stating the Kuwaiti Dinar was worthless the banks reopened and accepted the same "worthless" Kuwaiti Dinar at the exchange rate of $3.47 per 1 Kuwaiti Dinar. Article: AFTER THE WAR; Quick Kuwaiti Recovery Is Seen, With the Cost Less Than Thought By YOUSSEF M. IBRAHIM, Special to The New York Times Published: March 18, 1991 Snip: "There is no Kuwaiti currency: the Kuwaiti dinar has no fixed value and the Central Bank and other banks have yet to tell people what will happen to their savings or to find records of millions of accounts. Free Food and Gasoline" Link: http://www.nytimes.c...%20Dinar&st=cse These are very good reads....especially the last 2

Currently none of those countries are coming out of debt with the taxing of this investment. I believe that is just thinking ahead from other peoples opinions if the RV were to occur. If it doesn't then those other countries will still be stuck with the same old problems as before. If we only make a few thousand off of this, then they won't get that much tax money out of us....but if it does, then they have the tax laws in place to get as much out of us as they can. So IMO they don't know what will happen either so they are planning ahead. They would start coming out of debt with the taxes off this investment only if it straight RV's.

Because there is a chance of a straight RV just like there is a chance of straight LOP/RD, and if the RV happens then we will all be prepared so we don't end up broke in a year or two.

True...that could very well happen and it is always good to know what to expect whether its for the good or for the bad. I appreciate everyone's opinions and thoughts toward one idea or another and being patient with me while I search for answers. The longer I'm in this investment, the more I realize it's more like a soap opera. If there is not any exciting news or news that makes us feel like maybe this wasn't a good idea, then most of us would not stay tuned. No matter what the outcome is just try to remember to stay grounded and if this doesn't go the way we all hoped it would, then that was the risk we all took, but if this turns out to be the opportunity of a lifetime and we come into great wealth, then still remain humble and do not let it go to your head. In a sense we will become powerful people....and with great power comes great responsibility. Give to those in need, help change people's lives for the better without seeking glory for yourself, and remember to always be thankful to God for the gifts that he has bestowed in your life.

Compliments of: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/parity Definition of PARITY 1 : the quality or state of being equal or equivalent 2 a : equivalence of a commodity price expressed in one currency to its price expressed in another b : equality of purchasing power established by law between different kinds of money at a given ratio I agree that for them to RD and then RV immediately of shortly thereafter would show no real advantage for the country. If Iraq just wanted to reach parity with the U.S. then only doing an RD/LOP would get them there. On the other hand they could also do the very same thing with only doing an RV. Either way the currency we all hold now will be replaced because they are making new notes with the 3 languages on them and everything else. But the notes have not been released and we have not even been told what denom they are. There is a lot of assumption out there as to what they are but I think they will most like be like us 100, 50, 20, 10, 5, and 1 plus the coins. I do not have a link to support my next statement but I think it's just common sense. The new denoms are not being made as the result of the future RD or the future RV of the Iraqi currency. They are being made for final establishment of Iraqi government. Kind of like the last nail in the coffin. It will be for the country's identity and will be saying that they are now "finally" an independent and sovereign nation. They will be able to say "We are an established Democratic nation and here is our proof." In my opinion, that is the purpose of the new denoms being made. I don't think Iraq will just be looking for parity with the U.S. overall. They will be looking to join their neighboring countries in value. I think initially they will reach close to the U.S. dollar but would not stay there very long, which could be done with an RV or RD. The RD would get the dinar close and then watch it rise over time, which would not be very profitable; or they could RV close to the dollar and as it rises, pay for it out of their pocket and resell it and profit of the spread.....which would be Very profitable to them. To sum it all up....Iraq can obtain parity with U.S. by either RD or RV. Each fulfill the desired affect. They could go one way or the other, and just my personal opinion, the most profitable way would most likely be the route they take. And that the new denoms are not being made for the RD or for the RV. It's Iraq's way of saying "look at us.....we finally did it!" It will be their Seal and Mark of independence from Dictatorship and establishment of Democracy. Wow thank you. I thought my reasoning was correct but not a guru on the stock market. Very nice work +1

I'm not saying that they have said that, I'm just considering all the options and then looking at what would be the best predicted route they would take. I do know that Shabibi has mentioned getting the currency back to "its former glory", but did not go into specifics on how. I agree that several time they mentioned removing 3 zero's but they have been stating that for around 2 years now. On top of that, you can go through all the articles coming out of Iraq and find many articles that state they are planning on doing something else or considering other options. This is where all the confusion comes from and why we are told to even take the news coming out of Iraq with a grain of salt because of the contradicting news articles that have been released. Just look at what our news has said about this investment and how they have gotten the information wrong. Stating that it's a scam and save your money.....invest in bonds or CD's. The investment itself is not a scam, but how it's promoted and having to deal with the possibility of receiving counterfeit currency is. They don't educate you on where the safest places to buy are and explain the concept so people realize its not a scam. No they misinform the public and redirect their attention somewhere else. This is done all over the world, and especially with everyone's eye focused on Iraq right now that has special interests in their economy, government, and currency......is it that hard to believe that the same is not done there as well? I'm just saying that you can not take a few articles saying that they are going to LOP/RD the currency and say "here is the proof", because there are also articles that are out of Iraq stating the complete opposite. Anyone that diligently pays attention to the posts on this site has seen that. Hence all the confusion and questioning. I'm not trying to be rude so please to take it that way. This is just my observation from reading tons of post and articles from this site. There is talk and articles to back up almost every option Iraq has in regards to their currency all over this site. So that is where i got the idea....not saying that is how its going to play out....I think we all know that there are 3 or 4 ways this investment could play out and they have been and will continue to be discussed until Iraq decides to go forward with whatever plan they decide on.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you think that they will RD the currency so that everyone will have to return all of the old currency for the new ones, and then after X amount of time then RV it? So that everyone would only make a few thousand dollars profit, if they chose to stay in the investment? I understand how it would be done and why but it just doesn't add up with the information we have received about all of the countries that have "forgiven Iraq' debt" or a large portion of it. I just don't see how all of those countries would be OK with loosing billions and trillions of dollars. Big governments and corporations are ALL about the money, which I think we would all agree on, and I don't see them supporting something like this. Everyone IMO....including other countries and governments.....chose to invest or forgive debt for the same reasons as us individuals. They know that this opportunity would be too good to pass up. Yes there are other options that Iraq could take and every investment is a risk, but with all the experts and big governments holding their hands and showing Iraq how and which way to turn, how would they be OK with a minimal return? Most governments are horrible at running programs designed to help their citizens, BUT they are experts and squeezing a dime out of a nickel and filling their own pockets! I think this is the only instance were we would step aside and "let that dog hunt" to get the straight RV. Again IMO the most profitable thing to do would be to straight RV at a low rate and let it gradually build up over time. That way it pays for itself with the reselling and spreads of the currency. All of the other options do not make much sense to me except this one. I'm not trying to force my opinion here.....just find the best common sense result. In the end its all speculation, but knowing how governments operate and the greed factor that they have, this is the only option that I would see them chasing. Are they worried about all the people that would become millionaires? Of course not because that number is very small compared to the general public. Plus they will find the most effective way to tax those individuals-getting a dime out of a nickel. Plus most smaller investors will just go to a bank or somewhere in their respective country to cash in anyways....except those of us that have learned and continue to learn how to protect our investment. So that would just mean more money for the governments. So i guess what I'm trying to say is that none of the other options would be profitable enough for the foreign countries of Iraq to accept. When it comes to government, money talks. If you don't believe me then just look and our country's political system. Whoever has the most money 9 times out of 10 wins the elections, whether it's a small time elected official like a mayor or the presidency. Sorry, didn't mean for this to get so drawn out...other opinions now lol

Dalite-thanks for the posts and additional links. I see now the difference in the U.S. removing the $1000 vs. the dinar. Different set of circumstances. Darin-great info +1 dude The only difference I see between all the other countries that LOP/RD their currency and Iraq is that Iraq was invaded and forced to change the value of the currency to next to nothing....the other countries can not claim that excuse. They declined over time for whatever reason and then once stable again LOP/RD their currency to help off-set things. Again this was not the case for Iraq. Yes due to the war everything has to be rebuilt and made anew but it was not because they fell so far behind and pretty much "let themselves go". I may be wrong by saying this but its comparing apples to oranges with the countries and the decline of their currency. Its like comparing 2 brothers that inherit their fathers estate and one goes and blows all of his money and the other gets robbed of his. The end result is the same but they got there by totally different means. I hope that makes sense. Other countries became worthless because of bad decisions and Iraq became worthless because of invasion. In my mind that plays a key factor in how they return their "inheritance" back to the country. I just do see how the LOP/RD would be a great benefit for Iraq when a RV would return them to "Their former glory" as Shabibi stated. If i was the second brother that got robbed and had the opportunity to get my "inheritance" back.....i wouldn't change up the way i would receive it, I would want it to be same as it was before. Again, thanks for everyone's response and 2 cents worth. ADAM....you can still jump in anytime bud. I think we would all like to hear your opinion on this revived topic.

OK I have always understood "How" the RD works....im just trying to understand why they would go that route. I used the stock market as an example to show how that would be considered cheating the people here in the U.S. but would be considered ok over there. Pretty much the way our currency works is going to be how theirs works.....i got that......but why then did the U.S. give you ten $100 in exchange for the $1000 bill when they did their RD of just 1 zero, but over there they are suppose to give you $1 back for a $1000? If they are wanting to get rid of all the currency with 3 zero's then why not do what the U.S. did with the $1000 bill? Give you ten $100 and take the $1000 bill out of circulation, and do the same for all of the larger bills.

OK let me see if i got you right....apply this concept to the U.S.Stock Market.....lets say Google thinks it has too many shares out there and decides to move the decimal space to the left one space. But tells everyone "Dont worry, each individual stock that you still hold will stay the same in value." They do this without warning and change it overnight. Now being that investors make their money on how much the stock rises AND how many shares one holds.....I would think that Google just cheated everyone. Especially if each share went up drastically shortly there after. I'm sorry but they would be sued three ways from sunday. Even tho the value of each share remains the same, they just felt the need to reduce the amount in circulation....oh and then raised the value after the fact. The lawyers would have a field day with this. The defense teams would say "Look at Turkey and other places that have done it......so why can't we do it too?" The prosecutor would say "Judge, Google knew that they would raise the value of each share, so to prevent from having to pay out more money to the shareholders they RD'd the number of stocks so that now someone holding 1,000,00 shares now only holds 1,000. In doing this they have saved themselves from paying out millions and potentially billions of dollars to the shareholders, in affect "stealing" what was not rightfully theirs." Just to make is simple, lets say Google was only worth $1 and after all of this, it went to $2. So now instead of paying out $1,000,000 they only have to pay out $1,000 for every million shares held. Please tell me how this makes ANY sense. Does the stock market do this when they know they are going to jump in value by a large margin? Of course not.....it was just an example.....but if they did, there would be no end to the lawsuits. IMO they would go bankrupt and no one would ever do business with them again, and all the headline would talk about how Google tried to cheat billions out of the american people. I think everyone would agree that you would not see this happen and would be a preposterous idea. But that is what people are trying to say is going to happen with the Dinar? Im sorry but that still doesnt make any sense....and furthermore to try and say that Gov. and large institutions will get a better rate than the little guy is absurd. If Iraq wants to play ball with the rest of the world then they would have follow suit like the rest of the world. When the U.S. removed the $1000 bills, you received ten $100 bills. They didn't hand you one single $100 bill in return and say "Good doing business with you little folk" and then give big business a straight exchange! That would have ended up in another civil war. But it was a straight exchange for everyone. So if someone can please explain this in a common sense way, then i would love to hear it.

ADAM....if u run across this thread, please read my previous posts....all on page 3.....and help shed some light. I would really like to hear your opinion if im on the right track here or not. Thanks bud