Joseph Stalin- remember him

[ems]

The truth is out there if you just look for instance PER THE US TREASURY here is the TRUE breakdown of the Percentage(%) of increase in Public Debt by our Presidents from Reagan To Obama:

Ronald Reagan- 1/1981-1/1989 Total Public Debt Increase - 189%

G W Bush - 1/1989- 1/ 1993 Total Public Debt Increase - 55%

Bill Clinton- 1/1993- 1/2001 Total Public Debt Increase - 37%

George Bush Jr. - 1/ 2001 - 2/2009 Total Public Debt Increase - 115%

Barack Obama - 1/2009 - 4/2011 Total Public Debt Increase - 16%

So you want to win one for the Gipper I can see why we are in the position we are today, you guys say numbers don't lie well here you go and don't take my word for it do the research yourself, and stop believing all this hocus pocus you're being fed and get the truth, might hurt a little though.

Tarsi, you like facts. Here you go:

The amount of the INCREASE in the National Debt during each presidential term.

> Ronald Reagan’s First Term – $656 billion increase

> Ronald Reagan’s Second Term – $1.036 trillion increase

> George H.W. Bush’s Term – $1.587 trillion increase

> Bill Clinton’s First Term – $1.122 trillion increase

> Bill Clinton’s Second Term – $418 billion increase

> George W. Bush’s First Term – $1.885 trillion increase

> George W. Bush’s Second Term – $3.014 trillion increase

> Barack Obama’s First “Year” – $1.573 trillion increase

To summarize, the National Debt increased by huge amounts under each of these presidents. The largest increase for a complete term occurred during George W. Bush’s second term. The largest increase during a single year occurred during Barack Obama’s first year.

Current Obama administration projections indicate that the National Debt will increase by approximately $6.5 trillion during President Obama’s first term. http://thenationaldebtcrisis.com/the-national-debt-by-president/

Keep in mind that Democrats controlled the House of Reps during Reagan’s both terms and the Senate in the last two years. Democrats are known to tax and spend. Can you honestly say that you like what the O has done to our economy?

I’m with DinarMillionaire and tampa1000. They’ve got the right perspective on this. And yeah, let’s win one for the Gipper!

[mojack]

No worrieies Mojack, others have posted inaccurate crap that they have found on some Liberal website and besides, I don't need teachings from a Liberal Socialist anyway. Liberal Socialist are killing this country. It has been proven over and over that the Progressive Liberals are against this countries founding and there is no sense in trying to prove otherwise. Like the heading of this thread says, Stalin said, we would self destruct from within and you are the type he was speaking of that will help this happen. If I'm wrong, then why does your type still support Obama? Obama is absolutely against America's founding and against the Constitution, as an accurate account of history will reflect. He is and will be the worst President in American History. Don't take my word for it, just wait and see how bad Obama loses the next election, even with the Liberal Lame Stream Media on his side. True Americans have awakened and the proof will be seen in time.

Mojack, I do realize you are an intelligent person, I have read your post in many subjects. I just find it sad that you are not on the side of the True Americans. Obama is a travesty and it is so apparent, yet some, like you, will still try to defend him. He is indefensible, unless you are defined a Socialist, Marxist or Communist.

I would not defend Bush's spending nor any other President of late. The problem is with all Presidents in the recent past. But Americans have awakened and this problem should come to a halt shortly. Although I voted for Bush, I was critical of his ways and he pissed me off, I was critical of him, because I could see the writing on the wall, which is something lacking of Obama supporters.

If you've read my post please realize that I basically defend the office to some degree, not necessarily all of either president's policies.

It seems every president has made amendments/changes to the constitution. Only people screaming about it are extreme right wing non-supporters. You don't hear actual politicians talking about it, just some extreme right media folks and their listeners.

Just review any important era in history... look back farther than 3 years and see its America's arrogance that's indefensible.

I could be called Social Democratic. The state government supports citizens in need with numerous free programs. I find that I agree with many of these, such as helping citizens overcome disabilities.

[Heavyduty053]

Mojack thanks for your comments but i think you missed the point i was trying to make. Point was these comments are ringing somewhat true today because some factions of our people and our govt has decided to go a different way than following what our forefathers so pain stakingly took time to hammer out and with a lot of prayers to get it right. Blame cannot be placed on any one person for all have taken part for decades in the decay and erosion of this nation. Quietly and secretly they have went about and went against the Constitution the Declaration Of Independence to move their on agendas. They have labeled the American public as non thinking, non caring, and non acting with tunnel vision and they have assumed a dominate roll of thinking for us which classifies us the people as poor iliterate souls who they must provide for. Undermine is coming true. When Stalin said this he was thinking of a way to triumph over America. I has become common knowledge to the masterminds that if you want to change the way a nation thinks, change it little by little, under the guise of something in a non threating way until your goal is accomplished. Slowly but surely one will not sespect the changes until they have been accepted by all. I don't think our govt leaders functions under the constitution, how can they when they don't even know what it says. Now look around you and think about what your govt has done over the last 30 to 40 years, what do you see.

No worrieies Mojack, others have posted inaccurate crap that they have found on some Liberal website and besides, I don't need teachings from a Liberal Socialist anyway. Liberal Socialist are killing this country. It has been proven over and over that the Progressive Liberals are against this countries founding and there is no sense in trying to prove otherwise. Like the heading of this thread says, Stalin said, we would self destruct from within and you are the type he was speaking of that will help this happen. If I'm wrong, then why does your type still support Obama? Obama is absolutely against America's founding and against the Constitution, as an accurate account of history will reflect. He is and will be the worst President in American History. Don't take my word for it, just wait and see how bad Obama loses the next election, even with the Liberal Lame Stream Media on his side. True Americans have awakened and the proof will be seen in time.

Mojack, I do realize you are an intelligent person, I have read your post in many subjects. I just find it sad that you are not on the side of the True Americans. Obama is a travesty and it is so apparent, yet some, like you, will still try to defend him. He is indefensible, unless you are defined a Socialist, Marxist or Communist.

I would not defend Bush's spending nor any other President of late. The problem is with all Presidents in the recent past. But Americans have awakened and this problem should come to a halt shortly. Although I voted for Bush, I was critical of his ways and he pissed me off, I was critical of him, because I could see the writing on the wall, which is something lacking of Obama supporters.

Dinarmillionaire, just who are you speaking against, would you care to clarify yourself.

[john1234]

The truth is out there if you just look for instance PER THE US TREASURY here is the TRUE breakdown of the Percentage(%) of increase in Public Debt by our Presidents from Reagan To Obama:

Ronald Reagan- 1/1981-1/1989 Total Public Debt Increase - 189%

G W Bush - 1/1989- 1/ 1993 Total Public Debt Increase - 55%

Bill Clinton- 1/1993- 1/2001 Total Public Debt Increase - 37%

George Bush Jr. - 1/ 2001 - 2/2009 Total Public Debt Increase - 115%

Barack Obama - 1/2009 - 4/2011 Total Public Debt Increase - 16%

So you want to win one for the Gipper I can see why we are in the position we are today, you guys say numbers don't lie well here you go and don't take my word for it do the research yourself, and stop believing all this hocus pocus you're being fed and get the truth, might hurt a little though.

Not sure where your info comes from since you didn't provide a link, but you might want to check this out if you want the true numbers.

http://thenationaldebtcrisis.com/the-national-debt-by-president/

[dog53]

America became great because capitalism and the free market rewards individuals for taking risks (along with working hard) and rewardings them if they were successful. Socialism and all the other "ism", take away the incentive to take risks...because the sweat of your brow and the corresponding success goes to someone else that isn't willing to take risks and/or work hard.

Like the Buffett proposed tax. Why do we feel the need to pile on the taxes on our capitalistic geniuses?! Think about it...what are Buffett and Gates doing with their money at the end of the day...they are giving it to charities...ones that are well thought out. What do you bet that that money goes to a better use than some crack heads on welfare.

Sorry...just venting a bit.

Well said Tif +1 . We need jobs. Those jobs go away when we tax the people that create them. COMMON sense.

[parmenio]

If you've read my post please realize that I basically defend the office to some degree, not necessarily all of either president's policies.

It seems every president has made amendments/changes to the constitution. Only people screaming about it are extreme right wing non-supporters. You don't hear actual politicians talking about it, just some extreme right media folks and their listeners.

Just review any important era in history... look back farther than 3 years and see its America's arrogance that's indefensible.

I could be called Social Democratic. The state government supports citizens in need with numerous free programs. I find that I agree with many of these, such as helping citizens overcome disabilities.

When Obamacare is shoved down the throats of the American people having an agenda of socialized medicine; when an administartion surrounds itself by professed communists, Maoist and union thugs enacting policies in such a way as to circumvent the constitutional process..., or how about this giving away over 500,000 million dollars of tax payers hard earned money to a company that KNEW it was about to fail and did it clearly for political reasons..., or how about this; an administration that sells arms to drug cartels and fails to uphold the Constitution to protect our borders and sues a State for trying to defend itself from an onslaught of illegals. What about this...; calling hard working men and women "enemy, sob's" and the list goes on. Yeah..., I would be screaming too! I still am,so if you want to call us right wing extremist..., go ahead but I can tell you my friend we're all DAMN proud of it!

You also talk about America's arrogance! How dare you! Let me tell you something..., the first thing my father did when he landed on Staten Island was to kiss the soil when he came off the ship from Europe. You sir have no idea of the mouths this country has fed, the lives it saved and the hopes it gave and continues to give to those who want to work hard and make something of themselves. You sir are obviously a misinformed citizen who eats at the trough of the LIBERALS(socialists) So don't sit there and spew to ME of this country's arrogance!

Which brings me to my next point. Since when does it become the responsibilty of our government to support citizens in need! I can only tell you from my own family's experience and what my father went through to make something of himself. When he came over he had a SPONSOR..., his brother. Next he was introduced to the church where he not only received his spiritual fulfillment but was ALWAYS there to help. And believe me sir, as rugged and self reliant as these immigrants were they still needed help and got it, not from the government but from his church. It does NOT become the responsibilty of the "State to jump in". Today one can get help from a church, non-profit organizations and foundations. They are always looking for causes. So don't give me that crap that it's the governments responsibility! You sound like a socialist/marxist!

You sir, and I don't mean to be be disrespectful, seem to hate what this country stood for and stands for. I say that with a sad heart because you sound exactly like the kind of mindset that many immigrants were fleeing from when they left their country decades ago! Leaders who thought they knew better only to turn their countries into an authoritarian state. Unfortuately for them they found themselves deposed, many in a violent way; others at the end of a noose or shot by their own people while some took their own lives to save themselves from public humiliation.

Unfortunatlely the "ruling elite" mindset was never defeated. It still exits today..., yes, even in this country! So be careful my friend what you ask for. History has a way of repeating itself. As the founders of this country have stated"..., we are endowed by our creator with certain unalienable rights..., Life, Liberty and the PURSUIT of happiness"! To think that anyone is arrogant enough to bypass these truths must either be a fool or a tyrant!

Edited September 29, 2011 by parmenio

[kenbo]

One thing this country has that people in communist states lack...! the right to bear arms and the PATRIOTISM that goes with it. I believe there are enough Americans out there that will stand up and fight before they see this country devoured by the Marxists out there. People are taking names!! Lets hope 2012 will be the final chapter and vote these MORONS out of office.

The following is old news but rest assured that many efforts are constantly in the works to take away our Right to Bear Arms. The sad thing is that by going through the UN our government bypasses the need to pass the laws here. We will just be required to comply without a vote.

The United Nations and Secretary of State Hillarious Clinton are moving forward with their plan to confiscate your guns.

The United States joined 152 other countries in support of the Arms Trade Treaty Resolution, which establishes the dates for the 2012 UN conference intended to attack American sovereignty by stripping Americans of the right to keep and bear arms.

http://nationalgunri...org/blog/?p=359

[mojack]

When Obamacare is shoved down the throats of the American people having an agenda of socialized medicine >>> Just as Social Security; when an administartion surrounds itself by professed communists, Maoist and union thugs enacting policies in such a way as to circumvent the constitutional process..., or how about this giving away over 500,000 million dollars of tax payers hard earned money to a company that KNEW it was about to fail and did it clearly for political reasons... >>> You're confused... you can't even pretend to know the circumstances of why Bush/Obama tried to support that company., or how about this; an administration that sells arms to drug cartels and fails to uphold the Constitution to protect our borders and sues a State for trying to defend itself from an onslaught of illegals. >>> This has been going on since the 70's in my recollection. I can't tell you why the past president's having done more to secure the borders. Can you tell me why they haven't! What about this...; calling hard working men and women "enemy, sob's" >>> Again confused and the list goes on. Yeah..., I would be screaming too! I still am,so if you want to call us right wing extremist..., go ahead but I can tell you my friend we're all DAMN proud of it! >>> Well Good!

You also talk about America's arrogance! >>> I'm not the one complaining and I really don't know why you're so angry. Or why have you taken my comments so personal! How dare you! Let me tell you something..., the first thing my father did when he landed on Staten Island was to kiss the soil when he came off the ship from Europe. You sir have no idea of the mouths this country has fed, the lives it saved and the hopes it gave and continues to give to those who want to work hard and make something of themselves. You sir are obviously a misinformed citizen who eats at the trough of the LIBERALS(socialists) >>> Perhaps you have been victimized, not by me or the government but by misleading words from another's agenda. That's what creating your strong defensive words in this post. So don't sit there and spew to ME of this country's arrogance! >>> Again, I'm not the one complaining and you're speaking of an isolated case. Your grandfather sounds like an extraordinary man.

Which brings me to my next point. Since when does it become the responsibilty of our government to support citizens in need! >>> If you don't know the difference in needs I can't tell you!I can only tell you from my own family's experience and what my father went through to make something of himself. When he came over he had a SPONSOR..., his brother. Next he was introduced to the church where he not only received his spiritual fulfillment but was ALWAYS there to help. And believe me sir, as rugged and self reliant as these immigrants were they still needed help and got it, not from the government but from his church. It does NOT become the responsibilty of the "State to jump in". Today one can get help from a church, non-profit organizations and foundations. They are always looking for causes. So don't give me that crap that it's the governments responsibility! You sound like a socialist/marxist! >>> Government makes a difference as I said before.

You sir, and I don't mean to be be disrespectful, seem to hate what this country stood for and stands for. >>> Again, I'm not complaining!I say that with a sad heart because you sound exactly like the kind of mindset that many immigrants were fleeing from when they left their country decades ago! Leaders who thought they knew better only to turn their countries into an authoritarian state. Unfortuately for them they found themselves deposed, many in a violent way; others at the end of a noose or shot by their own people while some took their own lives to save themselves from public humiliation.

Unfortunatlely the "ruling elite" mindset was never defeated. It still exits today..., yes, even in this country! >>> I think thats the point I was making but used arrogance. So be careful my friend what you ask for. History has a way of repeating itself. >>> History always have repeated itself, if you read my comments in a non-defensive manner you will receive it differently.As the founders of this country have stated"..., we are endowed by our creator with certain unalienable rights..., Life, Liberty and the PURSUIT of happiness"! To think that anyone is arrogant enough to bypass these truths must either be a fool or a tyrant! >>> Hmm

[parmenio]

Many of your rebuttles are false, Mojack! However, I am not here to babysit my words or your words nor enumerate them one by one in a debate. For those who read our words let them decide for themselves what we say and how we argue our points.

As for my anger..., no, you are wrong! I have no anger. I know who I am and what I want and what I am willing to do to keep my dream alive for me, my children and grandchildren. What you read from me and call it anger is discontent for those who bash our way of life and the American dream especially if they stand in the way of it. TRUELY I feel sorry for those people!!!

Edited September 29, 2011 by parmenio

[mojack]

Many of your rebuttles are false, Mojack! However, I am not here to babysit my words or your words nor enumerate them one by one in a debate. For those who read our words let them decide for themselves what we say and how we argue our points.

As for my anger..., no, you are wrong! I have no anger. I know who I am and what I want and what I am willing to do to keep my dream alive for me, my children and grandchildren. What you read from me and call it anger is discontent for those who bash our way of life and the American dream especially if they stand in the way of it. TRUELY I feel sorry for those people!!!

I was all prepared to call it truce.... but what the heck do you mean by "our way of life and the American dream"? What do you think I am? You speak as if you are entitled to something more.

My replies false???? It's all in our history - try reading instead of listening! It's never too late.

[parmenio]

I was all prepared to call it truce.... but what the heck do you mean by "our way of life and the American dream"? What do you think I am? You speak as if you are entitled to something more.

My replies false???? It's all in our history - try reading instead of listening! It's never too late.

Mojack.., I'm no more than a good ole conservative immigrants' son. My parents lived out their American dream here on the East coast. They left it up to me and my siblings to carry the American dream on to my kids and grand kids. Whether or not you embrace similar values is no concern of mine. I merely take exception to those who want to diminish what this country has done for the world and what Patriots are trying to do for this country at it's most critical time in modern history.

I have no malice towards you nor anyone one else with opposing views. Our views hold alot of PATHOS and perhaps one day we can sit down over a beer and talk more!

[Kenneth]

[ems]

No need to shine a light on a communist leader from the early 20th century.

People need to be reminded about the past so we can identify and avoid it when it shows its ugly self again. Our current president is from the same mold and people are waking up to his folly. How could a community organizer become the leader of the free world? The left wing media pumped him more than Okie and his boys pump IQD! The O has been following Saul Alinsky's game plan laid out in Rules for Radicals and now the citizens of this great nation have become informed about the so-called "hope and change" he was talking about. We don't like his change and we don't appreciate people like you continually defending the guy. History will judge the O as the worst president ever; yes, worse than Jimmy Carter. With massive unemployment, record national debt and continued inflation, it is hard to continue spending money we don't have on the socialist ideals. The class warfare the O has launched is despicable. Please, mojack, let it rest; stop defending him and the socialist agenda.

[Heavyduty053]

Right wing, Left wing Liberal, Conservative thats whats wrong with america now these points have been whats devided this nation into thinking that neither is right. What happened to the old method of holding it straight in the enter of the road, true discussions seeking the best way, serving the people without self stated agendas. Washington and the political beast has seperated this country without regards to the long term effects. I still say clean out Washington and install term limits if the president of the US is only allowed two terms then congress should be the same. Then maybe we can reclaim our nations dignity back and stop a lot of this arrogant bickering. It is going to take us all getting involved to change the course we are on. If you are proud to call yourself an American then stop the left wing- right wing slap talk and come together as one nation........Heavyduty053

Edited September 30, 2011 by Heavyduty053

[mojack]

People need to be reminded about the past so we can identify and avoid it when it shows its ugly self again. Our current president is from the same mold and people are waking up to his folly. How could a community organizer become the leader of the free world? The left wing media pumped him more than Okie and his boys pump IQD! The O has been following Saul Alinsky's game plan laid out in Rules for Radicals and now the citizens of this great nation have become informed about the so-called "hope and change" he was talking about. We don't like his change and we don't appreciate people like you continually defending the guy. History will judge the O as the worst president ever; yes, worse than Jimmy Carter. With massive unemployment, record national debt and continued inflation, it is hard to continue spending money we don't have on the socialist ideals. The class warfare the O has launched is despicable. Please, mojack, let it rest; stop defending him and the socialist agenda.

Not defending President O, defending history.... You believe O is doing something brand new.... read your history... read the country's history... what's happening now is not brand new! Don't be -------- so naive! (leaving out the adjectives)

Presidents make change... that's why they're elected. All of them, constitutional etc... You don't think Social Security had the same effect?

Show intelligence of history... please!

Mojack.., I'm no more than a good ole conservative immigrants' son. My parents lived out their American dream here on the East coast. They left it up to me and my siblings to carry the American dream on to my kids and grand kids. Whether or not you embrace similar values is no concern of mine. I merely take exception to those who want to diminish what this country has done for the world and what Patriots are trying to do for this country at it's most critical time in modern history.

I have no malice towards you nor anyone one else with opposing views. Our views hold alot of PATHOS and perhaps one day we can sit down over a beer and talk more!

You know I've lived here all my life and the "American Dream" is what it is "prosperity and success" for me... but we can make everyone comfortable!

Still sound privileged but cool... Got ya!

[redrock]

I been telling people for many years that jewish communism has infiltrated the US Government just like they did in Russia. America is one step away from a full blow communist police state ruled by jews. The jews control the mainstream media, hollywood, wall street, banking, porn industry, alcohol industry, abortion industry, open american borders, and now they are controlling the US Government, and working on implementing their communist police state just like they had in Russia. Anybody that don't agree with that, then they need to do some hard research, because it's true. Google it up, and start researching because it's facts.

What kind of **** are you spewing out here? Jewish communism? Why don't you tell us what group you are pushing this garbage for? Would you like to give us some places to look up this info? Maybe under the author Sol Alinsky? Go on back to your atheistic, socialist studies and quit spewing garbage all over the place!