Libyan Rebels Reportedly Within 2 Miles of Tripoli's Center

[Markinsa]

Libyan Rebels Reportedly Within 2 Miles of Tripoli's Center

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/08/21/explosions-rock-tripoli-amid-reports-rebel-advances-in-capital-116547133/#ixzz1VhoFQb2U

[WallyWeaver]

Thanks for posting Markinsa! +1

Not sure what to make of this, though. While I agree it is always good to oust an evil regime what will take its place?

Don't think this one is going to work out too well, in my humble opinion.

[Markinsa]

Qaddafi is supposedly in Algeria, so he's gone, we can only hope and pray that their Government is U.S. Friendly.

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[tyron]

Thanks for posting Markinsa! +1

Not sure what to make of this, though. While I agree it is always good to oust an evil regime what will take its place?

Don't think this one is going to work out too well, in my humble opinion.

Dear Wally weaver,

I DO like the sound of you, but do you really think an evil regime has been ousted? The libyans have the highest standard of living in all of Africa, they receive free education, women are not discriminated into purdah like the rest of the Islamic world, there is housing subsidy for all, petrol is plentiful and dirt cheap, they have the first man made, much ridiculed, and yet extremely successful river in the world that is turning desert into arable land, they are GIVEN money if they wish to go into agriculture, there are free hospitals and if a particular treatment is not available in Libya they can go overseas for it, and it is fully paid for by the Government. Libya, uniquely, owes NOTHING to no one. No debts whatsoever to the IMF/WorldBank etc. Bear in mind also that just before Gadaffi became the evil monster he is portrayed to be now, he was trying to persuade the other African nations to start up a gold backed monetary system. I don't say he is without fault. I am sure he has salted away billions for his family, but compared to any Saudi Prince or African President he is a brilliantly shining gem. Actually, come to think of it, tell me what Obama or Bush have done that is better.

Qaddafi is supposedly in Algeria, so he's gone, we can only hope and pray that their Government is U.S. Friendly.

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US friendly? Too, too much has been done to other countries and regimes in the name of US friendly.

[Markinsa]

Dear Wally weaver,

I DO like the sound of you, but do you really think an evil regime has been ousted? The libyans have the highest standard of living in all of Africa, they receive free education, women are not discriminated into purdah like the rest of the Islamic world, there is housing subsidy for all, petrol is plentiful and dirt cheap, they have the first man made, much ridiculed, and yet extremely successful river in the world that is turning desert into arable land, they are GIVEN money if they wish to go into agriculture, there are free hospitals and if a particular treatment is not available in Libya they can go overseas for it, and it is fully paid for by the Government. Libya, uniquely, owes NOTHING to no one. No debts whatsoever to the IMF/WorldBank etc. Bear in mind also that just before Gadaffi became the evil monster he is portrayed to be now, he was trying to persuade the other African nations to start up a gold backed monetary system. I don't say he is without fault. I am sure he has salted away billions for his family, but compared to any Saudi Prince or African President he is a brilliantly shining gem. Actually, come to think of it, tell me what Obama or Bush have done that is better.

US friendly? Too, too much has been done to other countries and regimes in the name of US friendly.

OH, Shut up! I'm tired of people bashing the U.S. when 99% of U.S. Citizens have nothing but good intentions for the other countries of the World.

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[flatdawg]

Libyan Rebels Reportedly Within 2 Miles of Tripoli's Center

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/08/21/explosions-rock-tripoli-amid-reports-rebel-advances-in-capital-116547133/#ixzz1VhoFQb2U

This is what I found elsewhere:

Reporting from Tripoli, independent Middle East/Central Asian analyst, Mahdi Nazemroaya, telling Progressive Radio News Hour listeners that:

– Gaddafi forces are winning;

– rebels are in disarray;

– the so-called National Transitional Council (NTC) is falling apart;

– Misrata was liberated from rebels;

– Tripoli is peaceful and calm, despite daily NATO bombing, willfully targeting civilians and nonmilitary sites;

– scattered fighting continues along routes to Tunisia and elsewhere;

– arteries between the two countries remain open;

– Intense Western propaganda wants to intimidate Gaddafi supporters to give up hope of prevailing;

– it’s had the opposite effect, in fact, galvanizing Libyans overwhelmingly behind Gaddafi, making him by far the most popular African/Middle East leader; and

– his forces control Gheryan, Sorman, Sabratha, and Zawiyah, its oil refinery and others; reports saying otherwise are lies; rebels are south of the city, not in it.

In an August 18 morning email, he added:

“Nothing has changed thus far. There is fighting in the area, but (rebels) do not have control. Bombings over Tripoli are very bad though.”

Read the real story here.

[WallyWeaver]

Dear Wally weaver,

I DO like the sound of you, but do you really think an evil regime has been ousted? The libyans have the highest standard of living in all of Africa, they receive free education, women are not discriminated into purdah like the rest of the Islamic world, there is housing subsidy for all, petrol is plentiful and dirt cheap, they have the first man made, much ridiculed, and yet extremely successful river in the world that is turning desert into arable land, they are GIVEN money if they wish to go into agriculture, there are free hospitals and if a particular treatment is not available in Libya they can go overseas for it, and it is fully paid for by the Government. Libya, uniquely, owes NOTHING to no one. No debts whatsoever to the IMF/WorldBank etc. Bear in mind also that just before Gadaffi became the evil monster he is portrayed to be now, he was trying to persuade the other African nations to start up a gold backed monetary system. I don't say he is without fault. I am sure he has salted away billions for his family, but compared to any Saudi Prince or African President he is a brilliantly shining gem. Actually, come to think of it, tell me what Obama or Bush have done that is better.

Let me start out by saying I respect and agree with pretty much everything I have read from you so far on this site Tyron. And I certainly hope we can carry on this discussion in a peaceful manner.

While I will agree that there may be some good things that Qaddafi has done for Libya, in my opinion, it is in the spirit of the same kind of good that Castro has done for Cuba or Noriega has done for Nicaragua. I, for one, am not in favor of communistic or Marxist/ Leninist totalitarian regimes. While people like Michael Moore might tout the wonders of Cubas healthcare system, for instance, why are there so many Cubans who have risked life and limb to get over here to the United States? So, in other words, there may be some good things you could point to in Cuba but the fact is no one likes to live under oppressive totalitarian regimes.

I would ask the same question about Qaddafi's Libya. If things are so marvelous over there why are the people uprising?

As far as evil goes, I suppose it depends on your definition of evil. It is my understanding that Qaddafi's "World Revolutionary Center" has been a training center for countless revolutionaries and several of the tyrants we see in Africa today. Groups like the Nicaraguan Sandinista'a and the cocaine trade funded FARC in South America have received training from the WRC and directly from Qaddafi himself on visits to South America. Qaddafi's links to FARC explain his close relationship with Hugo Chavez, another who is in the same class of oppression.

So do I think the Qaddafi regime can be considered as evil? You bet... they are oppressive to their people and fund and train left-wing, socialistic/ Marxist revolutionaries, really, all over the world.

I will say this, though, and it may sound terrible in light of what I just shared. It is my opinion that we should have left Qaddafi and Libya alone. If the muslim religous zealots end up gaining control of Egypt and now Libya the western world and the world in general is going to be in a world of hurt, in my opinion. It is my opinion that this is Obama's goal. It is the only thing that makes sense to me.

As far as supporting Bush or Obama you will not find a single post on this website where I give support to either.

[tyron]

OH, Shut up! I'm tired of people bashing the U.S. when 99% of U.S. Citizens have nothing but good intentions for the other countries of the World.

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Unfortunately Markinsa the 1% that do run America have nothing but bad intentions for the other countries of the world. Even the briefest glance at what the CIA have done world wide since its inception will prove this statement. May you always be well.

[tyron]

Let me start out by saying I respect and agree with pretty much everything I have read from you so far on this site Tyron. And I certainly hope we can carry on this discussion in a peaceful manner.

While I will agree that there may be some good things that Qaddafi has done for Libya, in my opinion, it is in the spirit of the same kind of good that Castro has done for Cuba or Noriega has done for Nicaragua. I, for one, am not in favor of communistic or Marxist/ Leninist totalitarian regimes. While people like Michael Moore might tout the wonders of Cubas healthcare system, for instance, why are there so many Cubans who have risked life and limb to get over here to the United States? So, in other words, there may be some good things you could point to in Cuba but the fact is no one likes to live under oppressive totalitarian regimes.

I would ask the same question about Qaddafi's Libya. If things are so marvellous over there why are the people uprising?

As far as evil goes, I suppose it depends on your definition of evil. It is my understanding that Qaddafi's "World Revolutionary Center" has been a training center for countless revolutionaries and several of the tyrants we see in Africa today. Groups like the Nicaraguan Sandinista'a and the cocaine trade funded FARC in South America have received training from the WRC and directly from Qaddafi himself on visits to South America. Qaddafi's links to FARC explain his close relationship with Hugo Chavez, another who is in the same class of oppression.

So do I think the Qaddafi regime can be considered as evil? You bet... they are oppressive to their people and fund and train left-wing, socialistic/ Marxist revolutionaries, really, all over the world.

I will say this, though, and it may sound terrible in light of what I just shared. It is my opinion that we should have left Qaddafi and Libya alone. If the muslim religious zealots end up gaining control of Egypt and now Libya the western world and the world in general is going to be in a world of hurt, in my opinion. It is my opinion that this is Obama's goal. It is the only thing that makes sense to me.

As far as supporting Bush or Obama you will not find a single post on this website where I give support to either.

The thing is W, we have been trained to focus our attention on the puppets on show. Gaddafi is no worse than the Saudi leadership, yet they are protected and kept in power because they are willing to play the 'game'. Exactly the way Sadam was trained, protected and brought to power until he got too big for his boots. Remember Mao, yes the Mao who killed tens of millions of innocent people on purpose, he and his methods have been praised by Kissinger. See, they like dictators and corrupt, oppressive leaders. The info you have on Gaddafi's training left-wing socialistic/Marxist revolutionaries is incorrect. In fact, Mandela once praised Gadaffi by saying that the blacks in Africa have no better friend than Gaddafi. And that when he was at his lowest point, Gadaffi was the only one who came to his aid.

There will always be unhappy factions in a country. So many under privileged youths have been rioting in England? What shall we do? Shall we talk of ousting Cameron ? Bomb the entire population with DU weapons? Libya is a sovereign country. It should have been left to its own devices. Remember, how many millions of people, by far more than those that turned up in Tahir square gathered to show their support for their leader to no avail. NATO has its own agenda. Clinton has even admitted the rebels are in fact, Al Queda. I would have thought a terrorist by any name, but...

[SFlorida]

An eye for an eye! that's the final resolution for leaders like him...

[WallyWeaver]

Remember Mao, yes the Mao who killed tens of millions of innocent people on purpose, he and his methods have been praised by Kissinger.

See, they like dictators and corrupt, oppressive leaders.

The info you have on Gaddafi's training left-wing socialistic/Marxist revolutionaries is incorrect. In fact, Mandela once praised Gadaffi by saying that the blacks in Africa have no better friend than Gaddafi. And that when he was at his lowest point, Gadaffi was the only one who came to his aid.

There will always be unhappy factions in a country. So many under privileged youths have been rioting in England?

Libya is a sovereign country. It should have been left to its own devices. I agree with you here 100%

Clinton has even admitted the rebels are in fact, Al Queda.

First, I do not agree with Kissinger, that is not part of my argument. And I do agree this a strategy of the US, no argument there. But that is not part of my argument.

Second, do you then deny the existence of the WRC in Libya? Mandela can say whatever he wants, it does not change the fact that Qadaffi has helped to train and fund both FARC and the Sandinista's.

Third, I am not in favor of ousting Qadaffi, as I said in my post. Quote:

"It is my opinion that we should have left Qaddafi and Libya alone."

I simply recognize his regime as evil, that is my argument. I will not deny that there are other evil regimes or at least those who are in power in other nations who commit evil. That is not my argument.

Please provide proof that the WRC does not exist and has not supplied training to leftist revolutionary groups.

And finally, you can't possibly believe that ALL of the rebels currently in Libya are Al Qaeda, can you? I see what's happening in Libya as the same thing that happened in Egypt. The people are tired of oppression by corrupt leadership and are revolting. I won't deny that Al Qaeda is there and having an influence but, in my opinion, the majority of those rebelling are the Libyan people.

[estewart]

Was just viewing pictures of thousands celebrating the take over of Tripoli.

[flatdawg]

Two reasons the globalist want to take out Gadhafi:

1. No central bank in Libya.

2. The oil was nationalized.

If Gadhafi is truly gone, the rape of yet another sovereign nation by the power elite should start any minute.

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Edited August 22, 2011 by flatdawg

[Kona K]

Totally, 100 percent agree:

1) No Central bank

2) Oil at 93 percent production, driving Oil prices

He had to go, USA once again helps take down a

Soverign Country, sorta like Hawaii was a soverign

country, and the USA just had to have it.

Love the USA, even when we do evil

Aloha!

Kona K

[flatdawg]

NATO Loots Libyan Gold As Tripoli Falls

Paul Joseph Watson

Infowars.com

Monday, August 22, 2011

Global central banks will now get to carve up Africa’s most oil-rich nation while simultaneously divvying up around 144 tons of gold bullion – which might go some way to repaying Hugo Chavez after his announcement that Venezuela is to nationalize its precious metals industry. Unless of course Chavez becomes the next head on the chopping block for another “humanitarian intervention”.

Although Gaddafi was obviously an autocratic dictator, he did reinvest much of Libya’s oil wealth back into the country, transforming it into one of the most well-developed nations in the whole region, which is why a lot of the middle classes in major cities retained their support for the Libyan leader.

All that is set to change now that NATO forces and the central banks that stand behind them will finally get the opportunity to properly plunder Libya for all it has. Living standards will plummet, corrupt strong men will take control with globalist blessings and run the country into the ground for their own good, so long as they allow NATO and US air force bases to be constructed throughout the land.

Entire article can be found here.

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[tyron]

First, I do not agree with Kissinger, that is not part of my argument. And I do agree this a strategy of the US, no argument there. But that is not part of my argument.

Second, do you then deny the existence of the WRC in Libya? Mandela can say whatever he wants, it does not change the fact that Qadaffi has helped to train and fund both FARC and the Sandinista's.

Third, I am not in favor of ousting Qadaffi, as I said in my post. Quote:

"It is my opinion that we should have left Qaddafi and Libya alone."

I simply recognize his regime as evil, that is my argument. I will not deny that there are other evil regimes or at least those who are in power in other nations who commit evil. That is not my argument.

Please provide proof that the WRC does not exist and has not supplied training to leftist revolutionary groups.

And finally, you can't possibly believe that ALL of the rebels currently in Libya are Al Qaeda, can you? I see what's happening in Libya as the same thing that happened in Egypt. The people are tired of oppression by corrupt leadership and are revolting. I won't deny that Al Qaeda is there and having an influence but, in my opinion, the majority of those rebelling are the Libyan people.

Dear W, The reason I said you were incorrect is because you have missed the point of Gadaffi's Mathaba. Mathaba means to come together for a common purpose. This concept brought revolutionaries from around world to share in the spirit and knowledge of the freedom fighter. To sit under this umbrella of protection they came from all corners of the world, all kinds of persecuted groups and rebels against harsh regimes gathered. Included in the long list were ANC, PLO, different African groups, the Sandinista, groups from Thailand, the Philipines, and even some indigenous tribes from America. And because he extended this protection Gadaffi became the world's most dangerous lunatic. Anyway, by your definition of evil, surely we must look at who trained the 'greatest terrorist' of them all - Osama bin Laden - and call it the still more evil regime? As for your two other contentions, please do watch these two short videos on Youtube. Midnight August 21 carnage in Tripoli and Eyewitness Franklin Lamb in Libya. Take good care of yourself W and perhaps we will speak again.

[WallyWeaver]

Dear W, The reason I said you were incorrect is because you have missed the point of Gadaffi's Mathaba. Mathaba means to come together for a common purpose. This concept brought revolutionaries from around world to share in the spirit and knowledge of the freedom fighter. To sit under this umbrella of protection they came from all corners of the world, all kinds of persecuted groups and rebels against harsh regimes gathered. Included in the long list were ANC, PLO, different African groups, the Sandinista, groups from Thailand, the Philipines, and even some indigenous tribes from America. And because he extended this protection Gadaffi became the world's most dangerous lunatic. Anyway, by your definition of evil, surely we must look at who trained the 'greatest terrorist' of them all - Osama bin Laden - and call it the still more evil regime? As for your two other contentions, please do watch these two short videos on Youtube. Midnight August 21 carnage in Tripoli and Eyewitness Franklin Lamb in Libya. Take good care of yourself W and perhaps we will speak again.

I think we are about to have an ideological clash here.

To me, it doesn't matter how nicely it's packaged, the PLO, the Sandinista's, and FARC are nothing but pure evil.

Therefore, anyone who supports them by giving them aide or training, according to my above statement, is also evil.

This is my stance.

Using a word like "mathaba" doesn't really add much to your argument, in my opinion. I'm sure Hitler had a "mathaba" with Himmler, Goering, and Goebbel but that doesn't mean their intentions or practices were good.

My definition of the term "freedom fighter," in the context of this conversation, is terrorist.

[tyron]

I think we are about to have an ideological clash here.

To me, it doesn't matter how nicely it's packaged, the PLO, the Sandinista's, and FARC are nothing but pure evil.

Therefore, anyone who supports them by giving them aide or training, according to my above statement, is also evil.

This is my stance.

Using a word like "mathaba" doesn't really add much to your argument, in my opinion. I'm sure Hitler had a "mathaba" with Himmler, Goering, and Goebbel but that doesn't mean their intentions or practices were good.

My definition of the term "freedom fighter," in the context of this conversation, is terrorist.

If the PLO is pure evil W, what does it make Mossad? As you must know they undertook the very first terrorist attack dressed in Arabic gear and have never stopped since. But guess who supports them with billions of dollars and ammo? I don't think we need to clash. I have always said, Gadaffi is no worse than the Saudi rulers and therefore there should be no moral high ground in removing him or pouring DU weapons on a defenceless public, and much less in pretending it is all a great humanitarian effort. Gadaffi is being removed not because he is a cruel dictator, in fact, quite the opposite, he was trying to get the other African countries to form a new gold backed currency that would make his people richer and free them from the oppressive concept of central banking and fiat currency. As for Hitler he was another psychopath puppet that was swept into power by a group of psychopathic bankers, used and discarded when no longer useful.