pessimist vs optimist

[PNixon]

There are so many people on here that think that positive thinking will make it RV better.

It is a cold process. No amount of positive or negative thinking will change anything having to do with the RV. I think the best thing we can do is be pessimists, if we are pessimists and come to a consensus on a date etc it is more apt to be true I believe. I like positive thinking believe me, but when it comes to an investment of this nature I'd like to not have all the hype and elation.

I just wonder what we do not see because of all the praying and positive thinking police.

So question is, do we have the realistic view of what is going on, with so much positive, hopeful people making news? I wonder sometimes that I am not seeing the whole picture when I hear hope, pray, positive, etc.

Hope will do absolutely nothing for an investment!

I do love the positive atmosphere in this forum though, and the great people, I am not bashing this. Just what would we see, without our positive goggles on. I'm still buying all I can, sold everything, and am running by the seats of my pants, actually just bought a used RV to live until the RV, if that isn't optimistic I don't know what is, I just hope everyone is realistic. If it is as everyone states then awesome!!!!

I just don't feel confident if hope is the basis for an RV this year. I know of the signed law stating by the end of 2010, etc.

This was a REALLY hard post to organize my thoughts and method of approach of the subject, any of you understand. please excuse the many alternate reiterations.

The pessimist in me says to buy as much as I can because it will probably RV low and stay there, the optimist has me buying as much as I can so I can buy a country when it RVs high:)

Paul

[MrRich]

I completely agree. Instead of hearing "be positive, pray, believe, don't lose hope" we should be hearing "keep researching, keep your ears open for news, keep crunching the numbers, keep analyzing".

[ShawnW]

Ok well I completely disagree and agree, and rather than type a long explanation why (mainly because I am tired) I found an article that sums it up. Enjoy....

By the way, there is a link so this is no longer a rumor........purely fact.

Some people see the glass as half empty. Others see it as half full. But is it really as simple as that? Is it possible to be a bit of both? What are the advantages and disadvantages to both? Maybe there is more to both mind-sets.

When you think about it, most people tend to be an optimist sometimes and a pessimist other times. Ironically, a lot of times things turn out how the people tend to feel about them. If a person feels like something will go well or feels optimistic about it, it usually seems to go well. The same is true of the reverse. When someone feels like something will go badly, it tends to do just that.

So why is this?

Henry Ford once said, "If you think you can, or you think you can't, you are right!" Does this mean that what we think about, whether positive or negative, tends to happen? The only answer that I can really give to that is yes, but very basically. We cannot simply think things into existence, no matter how optimistic we are, if that is all we do. And when it comes down to it, that's not really optimism, but delusion.

But then is there any real difference between pessimism and optimism if, when it comes down to it, the results aren't any different? The short answer is yes, with an added but.

Pessimism will tend to lead to bad outcomes, whether it is because you just think things will turn out poorly and thus do not take any action, or because the pessimism will color your actions and choices and as a result you tend to do things that will make the result what you expected, the bad outcome.

Now where the but comes in with optimism is that the mere act of thinking either optimistically or pessimistically will for the most part produce not much difference in outcome, with perhaps a slight edge to the optimist. However, when you add positive, productive action to that optimism, this is when truly amazing things can happen. You can be as optimistic as you want that you will find a way to get the money for that new car or new house, but unless you are including the productive action that helps to push things to that end, you will never get there. The difference between only thinking optimistically and thinking optimistically while acting in a productive manner is kind of like saying to an empty fireplace "Give me warmth and then I will put some wood in you".

I once knew a woman who always said, "I would rather expect the worst and be pleasantly surprised on the rare occasion when good happens than be disappointed all the time". This pessimistic attitude of hers has brought her nothing but misery and strife, and yet she still thinks it has nothing to do with her. She does not realize that her pessimism is coloring her entire life and making the bad things she expects to happen actually happen. My response to her was always, "I would much prefer to expect the best and enjoy what life gives me than to constantly worry about how bad things are." For a long time, we had the same results. Then I realized that I needed to do my part and put positive, productive action behind my thoughts. And while I am not where I want to be yet, I have moved much closer to it and have been much happier along the way.

So I would say to you: be optimistic! Expect the best out of life! Expecting the best out of life is better than being miserably pessimistic. Above all though my optimistic friend, don't forget to do your part to not just think but also act optimistically.

Read more: http://www.articlesbase.com/self-improvement-articles/optimism-vs-pessimism-102077.html#ixzz0yRexFxRa

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[PNixon]

Ok well I completely disagree and agree, and rather than type a long explanation why (mainly because I am tired) I found an article that sums it up. Enjoy....

By the way, there is a link so this is no longer a rumor........purely fact.

Thank you for the inserted quote, it is very eye opening and very much appreciated! Sometimes a question really yields you a great reward.

So long as people understand the difference between delusion and realistic optimism.

[pleasantvalleySunday]

There are so many people on here that think that positive thinking will make it RV better.

It is a cold process. No amount of positive or negative thinking will change anything having to do with the RV. I think the best thing we can do is be pessimists, if we are pessimists and come to a consensus on a date etc it is more apt to be true I believe. I like positive thinking believe me, but when it comes to an investment of this nature I'd like to not have all the hype and elation.

I just wonder what we do not see because of all the praying and positive thinking police.

So question is, do we have the realistic view of what is going on, with so much positive, hopeful people making news? I wonder sometimes that I am not seeing the whole picture when I hear hope, pray, positive, etc.

Hope will do absolutely nothing for an investment!

I do love the positive atmosphere in this forum though, and the great people, I am not bashing this. Just what would we see, without our positive goggles on. I'm still buying all I can, sold everything, and am running by the seats of my pants, actually just bought a used RV to live until the RV, if that isn't optimistic I don't know what is, I just hope everyone is realistic. If it is as everyone states then awesome!!!!

I just don't feel confident if hope is the basis for an RV this year. I know of the signed law stating by the end of 2010, etc.

This was a REALLY hard post to organize my thoughts and method of approach of the subject, any of you understand. please excuse the many alternate reiterations.

The pessimist in me says to buy as much as I can because it will probably RV low and stay there, the optimist has me buying as much as I can so I can buy a country when it RVs high:)

Paul

I think all and all we just try to keep it real here ... and while indeed positive thinking, hope, all the dinar dreams in the world and yes even prayer will not bring this about - it will imho help us keep the proper frame of mind for living a fulfilling life no matter what happens with this investment. Truthfully, and I'll admit it is late - I'm not exactly sure what your point is?? You must not hang out in the chat room - sometimes the doom and gloom is palpable! Oh and fwiw I still do not like rumors - just facts with backup

Bring on the facts as you see them WITH the appropriate backup and we'll listen - promise

[Rodrigo1]

My personal opinion:

Realism + optimism = peaceful acceptance of the outcome, which is usually positive

Realism + pessimism = doubt and negativity about the outcome, which is emotionally draining

I prefer to live my life as an optimistic realist. I look at situations realistically, but believe in the best-case scenario and have faith that God is guiding my steps according to His plan. Regardless of how bad things get, I know that I will come through it with the best possible outcome!

[truckerron49]

My personal opinion:

Realism + optimism = peaceful acceptance of the outcome, which is usually positive

Realism + pessimism = doubt and negativity about the outcome, which is emotionally draining

I prefer to live my life as an optimistic realist. I look at situations realistically, but believe in the best-case scenario and have faith that God is guiding my steps according to His plan. Regardless of how bad things get, I know that I will come through it with the best possible outcome!

Well said. I too, follow this rule of thumb.

Thanks for the posts........

[radar47]

Just stay positive. GO RV!!!

[pourit]

I know a guy that gave up hope two week ago...and sold his dinars..... to me. So giving up hope DID affect his investment. When this RV's...he doesn't know it but I'm asking for my $250 back...and then will hand him back his dinars. You see...he's a friend that has just about "given up" on life. Little does he know that God and I haven't given up on him. _{POURITFORWARD}

[panamajo]

That was the nicest post I have read today! I'm fairly new to all of this and see so much greed here that it turns my stomach. It's nice to see someone who will pouritforward.

[muchodinaro]

I know a guy that gave up hope two week ago...and sold his dinars..... to me. So giving up hope DID affect his investment. When this RV's...he doesn't know it but I'm asking for my $250 back...and then will hand him back his dinars. You see...he's a friend that has just about "given up" on life. Little does he know that God and I haven't given up on him. _{POURITFORWARD}

You are a good man my friend, and I plan on doing the same thing for some close friends of mine, who just can't afford to hold dinar. They want to, and they know they should, but they are financially strapped. I've bought plenty of dinar, and I will POURITFORWARD! Thanks for the post!

[Teresa82]

Sorry for you man. I guess you don't know the Author of hope, so of course you wouldn't believe that hope could have any affect on anything.....That's just too bad. I thought you were a smart guy :lol:j/k j/k

You are a good man my friend, and I plan on doing the same thing for some close friends of mine, who just can't afford to hold dinar. They want to, and they know they should, but they are financially strapped. I've bought plenty of dinar, and I will POURITFORWARD! Thanks for the post!

POURIT! I love it man! That is a very cool thing you are doing!

I think all and all we just try to keep it real here ... and while indeed positive thinking, hope, all the dinar dreams in the world and yes even prayer will not bring this about - it will imho help us keep the proper frame of mind for living a fulfilling life no matter what happens with this investment. Truthfully, and I'll admit it is late - I'm not exactly sure what your point is?? You must not hang out in the chat room - sometimes the doom and gloom is palpable! Oh and fwiw I still do not like rumors - just facts with backup

Bring on the facts as you see them WITH the appropriate backup and we'll listen - promise

I'm sorry, but I have to respectfully disagree with you

Edited September 15, 2010 by Teresa82

[PNixon]

I know a guy that gave up hope two week ago...and sold his dinars..... to me. So giving up hope DID affect his investment. When this RV's...he doesn't know it but I'm asking for my $250 back...and then will hand him back his dinars. You see...he's a friend that has just about "given up" on life. Little does he know that God and I haven't given up on him. _{POURITFORWARD}

That is greatness!