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joeorder

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  1. It took me about 6 weeks to get an account. Yeesh! So, I wire money from my local bank to the USD Warka account? Assuming that's true, then I transfer from my USD Warka account to my IQD Warka account as a separate transaction later? Or, can I do this whole thing with one transaction? Any input would be appreciated. Thanks.
  2. Zigs, I echo your sentiments. Very well, said, Sir! I must admit I don't know what to do in "confronting" the moderators. I hope they understand the "spirit" of your "argument". Thanks for the post.
  3. Ugh! I missed Kim Clement! What did he say? Thanks!
  4. keepm's right. A LOP/RV scenario might look like this: Your 3M IQD becomes 3000 NEW (entirely different) IQD, which gets valued at say 1USD. Therefore, you paid roughly $3000 US for your initial IQD, and now you'd have to exchange it for the NEW IQD. If the NEW currency is valued at $1 USD, at first you are breaking even.... However, this NEW IQD would hit the ForEx. I could argue all day that over time this NEW IQD would hit $3+. At that time, you would triple your money. If you held your money in something like a Warka bank account, you would not have the intermediary step of trading in your current IQD for the NEW IQD. Plus, if Iraq decides not to include foreigners (which they legally can), you'd be protected from that, too.
  5. Wait a minute, keepm... I was told 3000% overnight. I put down like, $1000 and it becomes 30+ million! I have it in black and white. I even have quotes from others right here on this site. Hey, don't try to muddy the waters with numbers. I mean, if I'm promised millions, so what if it costs Iraq trillions. That's THEIR problem! And, in case you're wondering how I must know this is true... well, I saw it on TV! ... internet TV! So, there!
  6. George Robinson's prophecy was a big catalyst for me. I defintitely believe in the prophetic, prophets, prophecy, etc. and, I do believe it's for today... That said, I have to say George did not get this one right. He gave an explicit rate, and explicit dates, and neither occurred. I am well familiar with the Deuteronomy definition.... it could also be argued that Agabus did get a portion of his prophecy wrong when he prophecied to Paul with his belt. He said the man (Paul) would be handed over to the gentiles. In reality, it was the gentiles (Romans) who rescued Paul. My personal jury is still out on George... I think his life and doctrine line up with scripture. I think he did this with pure motive (i.e. he had nothing to gain personally if you or I bought dinars). It gets back to, if you say "thus says the Lord", it better really be the Lord! Where are the true, definitive, prophets of the Lord? Ugh!
  7. Let me echo your comments. Ditto here. Thanks Grand... oh, and p.s., I love your sense of humor on the other posts! Thanks for contributing (sanity)
  8. I'm with keepm... even in WORSE case scenario, which is LOP/RD followed by a natural market RV, the IQD would still hit current market rates of it's neighbors in (at least) the 3 dollar range. So, over time, we would triple our money. Some people balk at this meager 3x scenario, but I could argue that amount all day. The reason I say "meager" is we've been promised, what, 3000% for so long that 3x looks like chump change. But, consider this... if you have your money in a "savings" account, it's "earning" like .25% annually. But, since our inflation rate is way above that, we're LOSING money there. Add on annual fees and we are really losing our shirt. Same with T-bills, bonds and the like. Therefore, why not the IQD? It's as smart or as foolish as anything else these days. Now, if I'm wrong about this worse case (which I hope), then we are laughing. If the IQD even revals at a penny, there are some very happy people... including you! I know.... waiting is the hardest part... especially with these "every 3 days" projections out there... We need some real guru's, with real qualifications, and not the self-proclaimed ones... Peace.
  9. When I read this, I said "no way", c'mon... So, I went to the Illinois Attorney Registration site, and searched on "Obama". It showed Barak Hussein Obama and Michelle Obama (formerly Robinson) https://www.iardc.org/lawyersearch.asp For each one of them it does say "Voluntarily retired and not authorized to practice law " However, this can be followed by a big "so what?!". I mean, they don't have to be lawyers!
  10. LDR, this scripture refers to false prophets, not all prophets. What makes them false? Claims like "I am He" and "The time is near". God always has, and always will use prophets, to the end. Why do I say that (besides what I quoted above)? ... because right before the end He send the famous TWO prophets spoken of in Revelation. For those who believe no prophets exist, they will instantly dismiss these two as real yahoos... Yike! For me, what I just described was the EASY part... Now, for the HARD part, of which I have no answer: ok, if God speaks through prophets, just who are they today, and where are they? Ummm.... working on that one, LDR!! In short, I dunno... I agree that God would talk to you, just as easily as me, or them. However, some people have weightier testimonies than others based on their track record. If I gave you a financial opinion and Greenspan gave you one, you would (rightfully) accept his over mine. Why? He's spent his life obtaining that opinion. Same with God's people. Therefore, we have to find the ones who have given their life to get their "opinion" of what God says/does. If we are that man, then all the better. All can, and often, do prophecy because: the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy (Rev 19:10)
  11. Thanks, Hitman... does anyone know what Iraq's total reserves will now be (including the 50 or so billion they currently have)?
  12. Yep, every NEW date becomes THE date. Next, it will be hey, tomorrow is Saturday and they will RV then. The reason the CBI is denying it is they are secretly really planning on doing it then! and on, and on... However, ONE day. Yes, ONE day, "they" will be right. It only takes once. Go RV !!!!
  13. Mine would say "I just KNEW God still speaks to His prophets". I know, I know, this exceeds the current 8-character limit. But, I say, with the kind of money I'm going to make, I could pay for the waiver! Go RV!!!
  14. Zig, you are awesome! I love your honesty on here, but if you would allow me to "debate" this (too strong a word, but I hope you understand): I will use your "argument". So, for God to give us arguably the most wise king that ever lived: King Solomon, God had to: Get David to commit adultery Get David to murder her husband as a cover ... you get where I'd go with this... We believe that God works all things together for good for those who love Him... Yep, that means using messed up people with messed up lives, with imperfect beliefs and actions. By definition, if He's using man, any man, He is already starting with some messed up clay... Do I think it's possible that a WHOLE LOT of people can be deceived? Yes. Many reasons. Me included. Ezra 9:11 you gave through your servants the prophets when you said: ‘The land you are entering to possess is a land polluted by the corruption of its peoples. By their detestable practices they have filled it with their impurity from one end to the other. So, my analogy would be that if I live in a polluted, smog-filled city, I'm going to have that in my lungs and on my clothes... whether I am a fellow polluter or not. You can check my theology on this, but I believe in the end, the following happens: God wipes out (or allows to be wiped out) 1/3 of all mankind. Wake up call! Chaos breaks out. Of the 2/3rd's left, 1/3 refuses God and the other 1/3 accepts him, but are "refined". My interpretation: all go through "hell" in their lives. Therefore, my goal (which I will freely admit I have woefully failed at so far) is: obey Him as much as possible. Today. Now. Many twist God into guilt, shame and condemnation, but if we're diligent about this, we walk, then fall, then get up. Repeat. Confess any/all sin, move on, repeat. No guilt. Nothing. It's all about action. Do, then mess up, then redo. Repeat. Until ONE day... yes, ONE day, old patterns in our life will be broken as we are being perfected by Him. Remember, He is the author and finisher of our faith. i.e., He STARTED it, He'll FINISH it. If we don't like Him, we should have never married Him in the first place. I say, our jealous husband is faithful. Those who try to throw condemnation on you (which is really demons), to them I'd say: God commands us to forgive our brother not 7 times per day, but 77. God MUST be doing this AT LEAST this much Himself. So, even if you or I mess up this many times in a day, God Himself is applying His own law to Himself and is doing the same. Therefore, if you were forgiving me that much each and every day, I wouldn't feel condemned in your presence. Admittedly, I might feel exasperated in my own self, but that's different from you putting it on me. Thanks for your posts. You seem outrageously "intellectually honest". (ugh, I really dislike phrases like that). Thank you for allowing me your time. -- joe
  15. If you would permit me, I'd like to offer what I believe (in bold), and why (backed by scripture): I believe prophets are alive and well and God uses them: Amos 3:7 Surely the Sovereign LORD does nothing without revealing his plan to his servants the prophets. God has continually sent them, again and again, during all eras of man: Jeremiah 7:25 From the time your ancestors left Egypt until now, day after day, again and again I sent you my servants the prophets. Jeremiah 25:4 And though the LORD has sent all his servants the prophets to you again and again, you have not listened or paid any attention. Jeremiah 26:5 and if you do not listen to the words of my servants the prophets, whom I have sent to you again and again (though you have not listened), Jeremiah 29:19 For they have not listened to my words,” declares the LORD, “words that I sent to them again and again by my servants the prophets. And you exiles have not listened either,” declares the LORD. Jeremiah 35:15 Again and again I sent all my servants the prophets to you. They said, “Each of you must turn from your wicked ways and reform your actions; do not follow other gods to serve them. Then you will live in the land I have given to you and your ancestors.” But you have not paid attention or listened to me. Including the New Testament: Luke 24:25 He (post-resurrected Jesus) said to them, “How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken! Acts 3:18 But this is how God fulfilled what he had foretold through all the prophets, saying that his Messiah would suffer. Acts 3:21 Heaven must receive him until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets. Acts 3:24 “Indeed, beginning with Samuel, all the prophets who have spoken have foretold these days. God does this today: Luke 11:48-49 So you testify that you approve of what your ancestors did; they killed the prophets, and you build their tombs. Because of this, God in his wisdom said, ‘I will send them prophets and apostles, some of whom they will kill and others they will persecute.’ 1 Corinthians 12:28 And God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues. Ephesians 2:20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. Ephesians 3:5 which was not made known to people in other generations as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to God’s holy apostles and prophets. Ephesians 4:11 So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, ...and in the future, until the end: Revelation 10:7 But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.” Revelation 11:18 The nations were angry, and your wrath has come. The time has come for judging the dead, and for rewarding your servants the prophets and your people who revere your name, both great and small— and for destroying those who destroy the earth.” Revelation 22:6 [ John and the Angel ] The angel said to me, “These words are trustworthy and true. The Lord, the God who inspires the prophets, sent his angel to show his servants the things that must soon take place.” Today, we have even greater testimony than the prophets, which is Jesus himself: Hebrews 1:1-2 1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.
  16. Hi Del, The following is not a hedge fund, but I used them to "hedge" my physical IQD (http://www.ameraq.org/). Basically, they let you set up a Warka account same-day. (Actually, it's really like a Warka mutual fund where 1 share = 1IQD). I say hedge because if there is a LOP, I have this portion held electronically. I won't repeat reasons Adam cited as to how this is safer than the physical IQD. I'm in the process of doing my own Warka, but felt I might not have enough time... FYI, they quote a 20% backend fee, but my rep gave me 10%. If you're interested, I'll pass his name on to you.
  17. I still have not received an answer to my question. Only eddie21 posted any type of scenario that might work. The suggestion to read is stupid, because I've been reading for weeks, searching on this site and others for a simple answer. If there's any credible post anywhere, please reference it (title, date). If there's a write up anywhere, please reference it. The chant of "go RV" makes little sense if there is no credible way to pay for it. Someone, please, help with this. And, it should go without saying, but save us the blather. No one cares if you're going to bed, have a headache, are about to get coffee or anything else. I came to a site called "Dinar Vets". So, far, I've experienced Dinar amateurs. Please, please, please... give myself (and others) something of value. Thanks, guys and gals.
  18. I understand they have 40 Billion US in reserves. Let me say this is 30 for easy math against the 30 trillion. So, their 30 billion dollars backs the 30 trillion dinars, hence the value of 1000 dinars per dollar. So, let's say they RV'd at 100 dinars per dollar. They would need $300 billion to back this, right? So, is it true they would have to borrow 270 billion to do that? If all this is true, who would be loaning them that money? And, what would be Iraq's reasons to borrow that much for this purpose?
  19. Please, someone help me with the math on this thing. Here's what I understand: (I got the GDP/debt numbers from the CBI here: http://www.cbi.iq/index.php?pid=GovernmentSecurities) The Iraqi GDP is 82 Billion The Iraqi debt is 92 Billion They have approximately 30 Trillion dinars in circulation So, if Iraq RV's at, let's say $1... where do they get the 30 trillion to pay for it? The goal of this post is not to quibble about up-to-the-date numbers (e.g. No, their GDP is really 120Billion, etc) The goal is to understand how an RV of the existing currency is financed. Thank you!
  20. Am I missing something? The CBI only does auctions every two weeks, not daily. Their schedule can be found here: http://www.cbi.iq/index.php?pid=CbiAuctions
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