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you need a lesson in the word SCAM here are some examples: Federal Reserve selling the US government fiat money = scam on you the taxpayer Social Security unsoportable ponzi structure = Scam on you the taxpayer US government buying up its own bonds (called Quantitative Easing so you wont understand) = Scam on you the taxpayer State goverments borrowing money from Teachers pensions and putting in worthless IOUs = SCAM Ernie Maddoff taking money but not investing one penny but paying others with new money (ponzi scheme> see social security above) = SCAM and none of the above is a 20% risk at worse, like the dinar... you dont know the meaning of the word, obviously

Totally amazing that a supposedly minimally educated person would believe there is going to be a 'trickle out" RV. Totally makes you loose respect for this 'guru' and feel sorry for the people who hand on his words. there is NO WAY IN HAIDES that the RV would occur anywhere in the world before another. If you dont understand the logic WHY that is, you havent listened. just imagiine what a Soros type would do if he even had one hour's notice between the result of a horse race and actual official posting of it somewhere else. come on people. this guy is worse than stupid. hes dangerous

WRONG. A pumper is someone who makes outlandish rumors and hype that the RV is around the corner to entice a rush to buy more dinars by unexperienced people. Dont confuse a positive comment for outlandish. unsoported hype (notice i was nice and didnt say LYING)

Not being the devil's advocate, but by not selling you dinars for speculation it also covers their arse if someone tries to sue them down the road for selling them a '"knowingly" - 'worthless' currency IF for some reason things didnt change. On the other hand, if you are needing it it for travel to Iraq, it doesnt hold them responsible as you would supposedly be spending it there. Its odd that the same bank chain would have different 'policies' on the same currency though...

IF youre bills have magnetic strips at all you are FINE Can you ONLY imagine someone making ANY money with bills that have magnetic strips for less than one tenth of one cent.?????

He probably took a look at how much $ was passing him by JUST on his 'moible text alert' program for X per month.... and thought about it twice

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WHAT A FUNNY COMPARISON

Thank you for tanking the initiative to spend money to call and debunk what seemed like a very precise,possible rumor, including all the contact information gave it some weight and not like others who are more heresay or passed on BS Makes you wonder if this 'pumper' tag I keep seeing is correct in this case and the ultimate motive to get people worked up. Not sure I'd want to meet someone on his last leg teasing him like that. I wonder if Adam shouldnt start a DISPROVEN/DEBUNKED section for the efforts like this that people go to disprove hi intensity rumors. (Im not using the work LIES out of courtesy)

Yes, I agree. Israel has been wanting to deal with the nuclear threat of Iran, and this could be the trigger. Better even to have another allie in the mix. Dont be surprised if SOMETHING triggers the move by some odd chance offensively against Iran to give them no choice.

Apparently selling more stock than is really available is much more common than realized. There are many stories of IPO manipulation. I wouldnt buy stock anymore. HFT is a well known play by the big boys and their computers. Hi frequency trading. Google it. You wont buy stock after looking it up.

Yes, I have heard that a Nevis LLC under a Belize Corp is the way to go...

Ive heard the currency exchange booths at the airports are very good places. Not sure Im too worried about carrying 8 bills of 25k dinars stuffed in a reading book, but cash is a concern anywhere. I dont think you can open an HSBC account in mexico in dollars. I thought they shut that down last year. Am I wrong?

Wasnt sure how many banks would deal in dinar, and also wondering if their spread would be as good as say, Dinar Trade who professes that it will be the same as dealing with CBI directly. Just doing some pre-rv homework and setting up options

Just changing my question from a previous post since I guess I wasnt specific. Looking for possible REPUTABLE dinar dealers locations outside US borders...

The media has made Mexico a 'bad' place to go. Many americans living here almost like the idea of their being their little secret. Ive been here for over a decade and places like San Miguel Allende, Quetzalan, Ixtapa are just magical. Yes there is violence in many border towns, and I dont know why anyone would hang there any more than in Watts or South Dallas. By the way, the last 'official' census is that over half a million americans are living in mexico. That figure doesnt include the ones that come in as tourists for VERY extended periods of time. Another little tidbit uncle sam isnt publicizing

Belize seems nice. I have heard Singapore is very friendly to outsiders and probably one of the most progressive places in the world if not the cleanest ive ever seen. Panama has a very attractive 'pensionado' program too. I think for most thinking like an international citizen will be a very new concept. When I owned property in the US I was amazed at the taxes imposed. Even if you paid cash for you home, your taxes are huge. And from what I read, with states and municipalities going broke at a record rate im not sure its going in the right direction. I found an american with a 2 acre spread on the beach in acapulco, and pays less than 800 dol in taxes per year. We figured that place anywhere on the beach in the US would run around 100k minimum. Just a different world out there outside the US> Personally, if you dont have ideas of where to move to for retirement, look at how that country or place treats their animals and the elderly. I would start there.

All Mexico airports are safe. You can do a google history and not find one incident. Not sure which fly to belize though. I will investigate. You will however find yourself being querried by homeland security BEFORE you even get to the border bridge about carrying financial instruments totalling over 10k . No biggie per se. After all, I assume you arent a drug dealer. Uncle sam isnt real keen on money leaving his realm without his permission. I would guess mexico city airport flies everywhere. If so, dont stand out. Wear jeans, sneakers, no jewelry, backpack, etc. I advise that for ANY travelling worldwide. Dont attract attention from the ordinary period. There are more americans in mexico city than most any other international destination that I have been to, so you wont stand out that much from being american. Just dont look nuveau rich or like a newbie on the travel scene. That makes you a mark anywhere.

No luck needed. Just other international dinar investors without tunnel vision. and who already have been thru the US entry 'courtesy' and dont have a NEED to travel to the US in particular.

Im presently consulting in Mexico. Would like to meet/talk with other dinar holders here, or any other places outside US to discuss our possible cash out scenarios, since we have a much different situation. I recently hear Ali of dinar trade may NOT have cash out offices internationally as he once posted. WOndering if someone has a cash out source in Mexico (when it RVs) or other places such as Switzerland or England or Spain, etc. We should perhaps start an OFFSHORE cash out group to share info. Especially with the 10,000 dollar travel restriction and the chance of being treated like a crimiinal for traveling with cash just to cash in.

Dinar Trade?? Lets see, 300,000+ clients, divided by 10 locations (that is if everyone divides up nicely) x 30 Minutes MINIMUM... hum... you may be waiting for MONTHS for your FIRST appointment... forget the Santa Monica or TN locations

It is possible that this is mere speculation INTERNALLY for traders. There probably isnt a buy yet, but they can put a BUY at 2.50 to activate as soon as it hits. Meaning they wouldnt be at risk UNTIL it starts rising and they would get automatically put in play on the way up. I think I read somewhere on this site where a rich arab was also waiting for the opening and THEN ride the dinar. Maybe wouldnt make as much as those of us who bought, bought then it would be more of a no-loose, no wait proposition for him either and probably not tying up his capital WHATSOEVER, only a PLEDGE to pay based on his financial worth.

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Proponents of the bill trying to make it easier to impose sanctions on China over manipulating its currency say a stronger yuan is a way to bolster the economy without any cost. After all, they reason, U.S. exports from the likes of Caterpillar, General Motors and General Electric would be more competitive in China were the yuan to have stronger purchasing power, creating an estimated 500,000 manufacturing jobs state-side without Congress having to spend a dime. Let’s for a moment accept that argument at face value -- let’s assume that if the legislation became law, China would immediately act to boost their currency despite every pledge that they won’t, and that further, that China wouldn’t raise additional obstacles to U.S. exports. It’s not obvious what the dollar/yuan level would be in a completely free market, but based on some numbers thrown out by economists, let’s assume the dollar (USDCNY 6.6900, +0.0010, +0.0150%) would drop to 6.10 yuan from about 6.7 yuan currently -- an appreciation of 10%. (The House Ways and Means Commitee suggests an even starker appreciation of between 15% and 30%.) What’s lost, or at any rate, not stated by the bill’s supporters is the inflationary impact of a yuan appreciation. Census Bureau data shows that just under one dollar of every five dollars spent on imports comes from China. Some of those imports are capital goods, but generally these imports are consumer goods like toys, telephones and T-shirts. So by back-of-envelope calculations, a 10% increase on 20% of the average American’s basket would result in a two percentage point boost to consumer prices. Of course, if Chinese import prices start rising, Americans would look elsewhere for similar goods. (And moreover, Chinese manufacturers who already source production in countries like Vietnam would increase that practice.) Still, it’s not like any country has anywhere near the capacity to ramp up production to replace China’s, so some of that yuan appreciation would inevitably stick in consumer good prices, particularly in the short term. That is not to say the legislation passed Wednesday in the House isn’t worthy of support. If nothing else, it gives the Obama administration (and any successor) more firepower to push China, which despite its protests seem to respond to little else but overt threats. But as the political debate revolves around whether to extend income tax breaks at a time of a paltry economic growth and weak job conditions, it seems foolish and naive that both Democrats and Republicans seem to ignore what would amount to a sharp tax hike on the country’s least-well off. -- Steve Goldstein http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-hidden-tax-from-a-yuan-appreciation-2010-09-29?siteid=rss&rss=1

I somewhat agree your assesment. IF china doesnt let their currency flow up. the dollar can come down as a threat to their ploy. There is already a downward pressure on all currencies so their goods become the most affordable - and to compete to the monopoly china has enjoyed due to their manipulation of their currency. Should be interesting. I'll take 25 cents any day.

Can I make suggestion? PLEASE view a video called "The Secret of Oz" and then make your own opinion. The reality is that banksters are behind most EVERYTHING. Google it and watch it. It should be required viewing for everyone on this site.