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And for those all confused thinking a US citizen means the same as natural born citizen, the very clause in the constitution that requires you to be a natural born citizen SPECIFICALLY states BOTH types of citizens.

"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

No person except a natural born Citizen, OR a Citizen of the United States.... Right there it clearly states TWO different types of citizens, where the second one just being a US citizen was the grandfather clause the founders had to use because none of them were natural born citizens and only US citizens, which why this was limited to only US citizens AT THE TIME OF THE ADOPTION of this constitution. Meaning that AT THE TIME the constitution was adopted, all those that were currently a US citizen could become President because none of the founders were natural born citizens. But after the adoption of the constitution anyone born after that date to become Presidents had to be natural born citizens. Which blows away the liberals lame theories that the US code pertaining to just US citizens has anything to do with natural born citizen. And it also blows away their excuse of trying to say there are only two types of citizens when the constitution itself clearly shows a natural born citizen and a US citizen are two different types of citizens. Otherwise they would have not had to specifically name both types.

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Natural-born citizen

Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?

The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps. The Constitution authorizes the Congress to do create clarifying legislation in Section 5 of the 14th Amendment; the Constitution, in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4, also allows the Congress to create law regarding naturalization, which includes citizenship.

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

  • Anyone born inside the United States *
  • Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
  • Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
  • Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
  • Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
  • Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
  • Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
  • A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

* There is an exception in the law — the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.

Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

And for those all confused thinking a US citizen means the same as natural born citizen, the very clause in the constitution that requires you to be a natural born citizen SPECIFICALLY states BOTH types of citizens.

"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

No person except a natural born Citizen, OR a Citizen of the United States.... Right there it clearly states TWO different types of citizens, where the second one just being a US citizen was the grandfather clause the founders had to use because none of them were natural born citizens and only US citizens, which why this was limited to only US citizens AT THE TIME OF THE ADOPTION of this constitution. Meaning that AT THE TIME the constitution was adopted, all those that were currently a US citizen could become President because none of the founders were natural born citizens. But after the adoption of the constitution anyone born after that date to become Presidents had to be natural born citizens. Which blows away the liberals lame theories that the US code pertaining to just US citizens has anything to do with natural born citizen. And it also blows away their excuse of trying to say there are only two types of citizens when the constitution itself clearly shows a natural born citizen and a US citizen are two different types of citizens. Otherwise they would have not had to specifically name both types.Um....really?? There are two kinds mentioned here...a NATURAL BORN...or one that wasn't natural born because the country wasn't FORMED yet. So, no, your argument is weak.

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Wow, I guess you just proved our point about being a government troll apointed to this website. And especially the part about the mid year performance reviews coming up. It looks to have really lit a fire under you! As much as I do like to see hard working individuals going about their jobs, I will have to say your sheer determination in the face of certain defeat is inspiring to say the least. So inspiring that it makes me think of how much more than just determination those of us that have the truth should be.

Yeah, that all sounds nice but, determination by it's self if not enough for us. A love for our country and what it stands for. The constitution & belief in God that made it what it was before Obama came into office. Not only that, but for the men and women fighting on the front lines to protect our way of life. For our families and friends, and the memories of those already gone. Yes this is why we do what we do.

So I guess just having strong determination to please your boss is ok, but in the long run, it will not win against those that have more than just a will to please our bosses.

Just so there is no hard feelings, I want to say good luck on your mid year evaluation.... Looks like you may need it.

Peace

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Sorry, next contestant...unlike you, I don't HAVE a boss.

How much are the birthers paying you to spread misinformation?? You shouldn't get your feelings so hurt when it is debunked.:P

Why entertain these two.....one day they will also understand that Reading is Fundamental

It's doubtful.:lol:

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Wow, that was easy! I really thought it would have been harder to trap you with your own words but I guess not. :lol: :lol:

If you think you trapped me....you are farther gone than I thought.

Go borrow Sirius' tin foil...yours isn't working.:lol:

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Natural-born citizen

Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?

The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps. The Constitution authorizes the Congress to do create clarifying legislation in Section 5 of the 14th Amendment; the Constitution, in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4, also allows the Congress to create law regarding naturalization, which includes citizenship.

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

  • Anyone born inside the United States *
  • Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
  • Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
  • Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
  • Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
  • Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
  • Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
  • A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

* There is an exception in the law — the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.

Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

Your argument is beyond weak. It is completely fabricated. Someone takes a section of the US code then ADDS their own illusion in front of it and at the end of it making up his own version of what a natural born citizen is based on nothing but their own imagination.

The US code does NOT have anything to do with natural born citizen, nor does the 14th amendant. Natural born citizen is not mentioned anywhere in either of them. They deal with nothing but just citizenship which describes who can be just a US citizen under man made law. It has nothing to do with NATURAL LAW which is where natural born citizen comes under.

You have man MADE law and there is NATURAL law. Natural born citizen is not a man made law, it is NATURAL law.

Really?? Am *I* the one that starts hundreds of threads??

Nope.

*I* am just the guy pointing out inconsistencies and misinformation.

I know you guys HATE that.:lol:

You are the one posting misinformation. Not only is it just misinformation, but it is flat fabricated lies just like your delusional post here trying to add things to the US code and 14th amendment that do not exist in the US code and 14th amendment.

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And for those all confused thinking a US citizen means the same as natural born citizen, the very clause in the constitution that requires you to be a natural born citizen SPECIFICALLY states BOTH types of citizens.

"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

No person except a natural born Citizen, OR a Citizen of the United States.... Right there it clearly states TWO different types of citizens, where the second one just being a US citizen was the grandfather clause the founders had to use because none of them were natural born citizens and only US citizens, which why this was limited to only US citizens AT THE TIME OF THE ADOPTION of this constitution. Meaning that AT THE TIME the constitution was adopted, all those that were currently a US citizen could become President because none of the founders were natural born citizens. But after the adoption of the constitution anyone born after that date to become Presidents had to be natural born citizens. Which blows away the liberals lame theories that the US code pertaining to just US citizens has anything to do with natural born citizen. And it also blows away their excuse of trying to say there are only two types of citizens when the constitution itself clearly shows a natural born citizen and a US citizen are two different types of citizens. Otherwise they would have not had to specifically name both types.Um....really?? There are two kinds mentioned here...a NATURAL BORN...or one that wasn't natural born because the country wasn't FORMED yet. So, no, your argument is weak.

LOL

Um, ya THINK that might be WHY it specifically states at the time of the ADOPTION of this constitution? It doesn't say anyone here. It specifically says US Citizen. Are you now going to argue the founders didn't know what they were talking about?

At the ADOPTION of this constitution would make everyone here at that TIME a US citizen. So all those living here at that TIME were US citizens and anyone AFTER that time, meaning the ADOPTION of the constitution, had to be a natural born citizen to become POTUS.

"No person except a natural born Citizen, OR a Citizen of the United States, at the TIME of the ADOPTION of this Constitution,....

They CLEARLY defined TWO different types of citizens here. One being a Natural born citizen and one being a citizen of the united States (US citizen). That is TWO different types of citizens stated within the same sentence separated by a comma and OR.

I understand simple english is a second language to most liberals, but a first grader could comprehend this.

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Natural-born citizen

Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?

The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps. The Constitution authorizes the Congress to do create clarifying legislation in Section 5 of the 14th Amendment; the Constitution, in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4, also allows the Congress to create law regarding naturalization, which includes citizenship.

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

  • Anyone born inside the United States *
  • Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
  • Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
  • Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
  • Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
  • Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
  • Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
  • A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

* There is an exception in the law — the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.

Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

Your argument is beyond weak. It is completely fabricated. Someone takes a section of the US code then ADDS their own illusion in front of it and at the end of it making up his own version of what a natural born citizen is based on nothing but their own imagination. SOME GUY???ROFLMAOAY!! How about the source YOU quote...

Black's Law Dictionary (9th Edition) defines 'Natural Born Citizen' as "A person born within the jurisdiction of a national government."

The US code does NOT have anything to do with natural born citizen, nor does the 14th amendant. Natural born citizen is not mentioned anywhere in either of them. They deal with nothing but just citizenship which describes who can be just a US citizen under man made law. It has nothing to do with NATURAL LAW which is where natural born citizen comes under. Wrong again. There are two kinds of citizen in the US...natural born and naturalized. YOUR definition has NEVER been recognized by case law...and so REMAINS your OPINION.

You have man MADE law and there is NATURAL law. Natural born citizen is not a man made law, it is NATURAL law.

ROFLMAOAY! Still stomping your foot and claiming that, I see.

You are the one posting misinformation.Nope. I am DEBUNKING misinformation....you just don't like it. Not only is it just misinformation, but it is flat fabricated lies just like your delusional post here trying to add things to the US code and 14th amendment that do not exist in the US code and 14th amendment.I have added NOTHING...unlike you, who thinks that your OPINION means it's LAW.

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Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?

The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps. The Constitution authorizes the Congress to do create clarifying legislation in Section 5 of the 14th Amendment; the Constitution, in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4, also allows the Congress to create law regarding naturalization, which includes citizenship.

Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.

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None of the above statements are written in any law. Those statements are written by someone's own person OPINION based on their personal misinterpretation of what the laws actualy state and pertain to. It has NOTHING to do with who is a natural born citizen and prior to this becoming an issue these statements were never there before. Whoever runs that privately owned website added this crap AFTER all the attention being raised on this subject. If had anything at all to do with who could be a natural born citizen it would have spefically included the words natural born citizen.

The laws written pertain to spefically what it says it does and nothing more, which just who can be a US citizen. A Us citizen is not the same as a natural born citizen. They are two complete different types of citizenship and even the very clause in the constitution requiring anyone to become President must be a natural born citizen specifically name both citizenships as being two different types of citizens. Otherwise there would not have been any need to name both.

Is simple common sense really that far gone in this country?

From the owner that owns the website usconstitution.net:

Steve Mount

All research done for the USConstitution.net site was done by me. All OPINIONS ARE MINE AND MINE ALONE, with the exception of messages posted by others in the Message Board.

His OPINIONS are badly FLAWED because he makes up his own OPINIONS based on things that do not even exist and have nothing to do with what the 14th amendment says nor does it have anything to do with anything the US code says.

Once AGAIN, you people CRY about BLOGGERS saying how they are NOT EXPERTS, and yet once AGAIN, your ONLY sources come from BLOGGERS who are NOT EXPERTS and based on his own OPINIONS he his badly misinformed and clueless because he onbviously can't comprehend plain simple english!

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If you think you trapped me....you are farther gone than I thought.

Go borrow Sirius' tin foil...yours isn't working.:lol:

Oh, you back again Gov boy? You have been debunked for good.

You claim Fluoride is just a conspiracy theory and that is enough to prove what Fluoride does, it dumbs you down. End of story.

If you need me to re-post this and type slower for you just ask.

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His OPINIONS are badly FLAWED because he makes up his own OPINIONS based on things that do not even exist and have nothing to do with what the 14th amendment says nor does it have anything to do with anything the US code says.

Once AGAIN, you people CRY about BLOGGERS saying how they are NOT EXPERTS, and yet once AGAIN, your ONLY sources come from BLOGGERS who are NOT EXPERTS and based on his own OPINIONS he his badly misinformed and clueless because he onbviously can't comprehend plain simple english!

Wrong again....your opinion is just that...an OPINION....and you know what they say about that.

Here...argue with Blacks Law dictionary....

Black's Law Dictionary

Black's Law Dictionary (9th Edition) defines 'Natural Born Citizen' as "A person born within the jurisdiction of a national government."

And PLEASE DO POST ANY legal source or case law that backs up YOUR opinion...You can't...because there ISN'T one. :D

Oh, you back again Gov boy? You have been debunked for good.

You claim Fluoride is just a conspiracy theory and that is enough to prove what Fluoride does, it dumbs you down. End of story. Please adjust your tin foil...it's too tight. But thanks for proving that you are nothing but a wild eyed conspiracy theorists. PSSST...the black ops helicopters are tracking your thoughts....ROFLMAOAY!!

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Please adjust your tin foil...it's too tight. But thanks for proving that you are nothing but a wild eyed conspiracy theorists. PSSST...the black ops helicopters are tracking your thoughts....ROFLMAOAY!!

Oh another one? Are you also dumbed down? Sure looks like it.

Provide your link to proof and maybe you could be taken seriously.

Otherwise be prepared to look the fool.

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You really need to slow down and figure out what you are talking about, Sirius.

EXACTLY, Dude.....but you better duck....these two are really wild!

Oh another one? Are you also dumbed down? Sure looks like it.

Provide your link to proof and maybe you could be taken seriously.

Otherwise be prepared to look the fool.

There's only two fools here....you and party time.

PPSSSTT....the government is listening in on your cell phone....LOL!!

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