Nelg Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 Yes I have seen it happen in the past. A heated religious debate and someone was banned because they didn't tow the company line. If the muzzle has been taken off I would love to debate. Botzwana, I have had several debates/discussions with individuals on DV about religious and non religious topics. I express my point of view clearly and rather pointedly at time, but I have never been ban from discussion. If you respect the other person and attack the proposition being discussed, you will not have a problem. Those who start attacking the person and calling them names and question their origin of birth reveal both their inability to control emotions and their lack of skill at discussing an issue. If there is a discussion on biblical things, and I am assuming that this is the case on this thread, then the authority and final decision should originate from the Bible. Enter into the discussion. It will be like "iron sharping iron." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willy1der Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 Botzwana, I have had several debates/discussions with individuals on DV about religious and non religious topics. I express my point of view clearly and rather pointedly at time, but I have never been ban from discussion. If you respect the other person and attack the proposition being discussed, you will not have a problem. Those who start attacking the person and calling them names and question their origin of birth reveal both their inability to control emotions and their lack of skill at discussing an issue. If there is a discussion on biblical things, and I am assuming that this is the case on this thread, then the authority and final decision should originate from the Bible. Enter into the discussion. It will be like "iron sharping iron." plus 1 to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleEye Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 We keep good records of why people are banned. Who was it? - absolutely Mark...I cannot think of a single example of a "party line" banning here in all the years I have been a member ...let alone a Mod... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markinsa Posted April 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 absolutely Mark...I cannot think of a single example of a "party line" banning here in all the years I have been a member ...let alone a Mod... The ONLY thing it may be, if the person was a Jew hater... - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleEye Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 The ONLY thing it may be, if the person was a Jew hater... - absolutely again...racism, anti-semitism and clear forms of bigotry are frowned on in this establishment for GOOD reason too... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joekooltrips Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 Whoa...I have not even addressed anything yet. How do you know I do not have the truth already? I for 1 would like to hear/ see what you're (Botzwanna) is going to bring to the table on this topic . With Respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiaKaha Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 This topic should have it's own thread, rather than bringing it here to this beautiful thread. Again, jmho... KK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slaydadea Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 No one can understand what Jesus suffered. In order to fully understand it, we'd have to experience it. Slay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelg Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 Botswana, by the time I had written my response others have comment along with your comments. I want to give a quick answer to them and then get back to your comments. KK, you are probably correct, but the questions from Botswana came in this thread. If the Mods wish, we can move to another. Joekooltrips, I believe you have entered another element into the equation, the interpretation of Scripture by men. That takes us into a completely different direction. When man's doctrine and doctrinal bias come into play you will have hundreds of points going into a thousand directions. It would be best to hold that for another thread and time. JMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slaydadea Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 Thank you, Mark. As difficult as this was to read, it was very informative. My heart was broken before I knew how brutal the beating He took FOR ME was. The pain He felt while atoning FOR ME in Gethsemane as he bled from every pore FOR MY sins and illnesses and pains and problems was overwhelming enough... but this... Thank you... I am further humbled... KK To everyone's reply and remarkable contribution to this thread, KK, I jumped yours, it was shorter. Slay was born a sinner, as we all are. I'm not necessarily proud of what I've done in my life. Some good, some bad, and some right down horrible. I consider it time well spent. We are all a work in progress. When the gong tolls, you're on call. You decide where you are when it's your turn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joekooltrips Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 Botswana, by the time I had written my response others have comment along with your comments. I want to give a quick answer to them and then get back to your comments. KK, you are probably correct, but the questions from Botswana came in this thread. If the Mods wish, we can move to another. Joekooltrips, I believe you have entered another element into the equation, the interpretation of Scripture by men. That takes us into a completely different direction. When man's doctrine and doctrinal bias come into play you will have hundreds of points going into a thousand directions. It would be best to hold that for another thread and time. JMO. No problem Nelg, will do, thx and with respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markinsa Posted April 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 I split the topic, go here for Botzwanna's question: http://dinarvets.com/forums/index.php?/topic/145123-if-the-bible-is-authored-by-god-it-should-not-have-any-mistakes-in-it-right/#entry1144002 - 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleEye Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 I split the topic, go here for Botzwanna's question: http://dinarvets.com/forums/index.php?/topic/145123-if-the-bible-is-authored-by-god-it-should-not-have-any-mistakes-in-it-right/#entry1144002 - Thanks Mark !! Great idea my friend... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markinsa Posted April 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 This topic should have it's own thread, rather than bringing it here to this beautiful thread. Again, jmho... KK Thanks Mark !! Great idea my friend... Thank you, but it was KiaKaha's idea. - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiaKaha Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 Thanks, Mark! I plussed ya, even tho I try to save my plusses for members, not mods, nothing personal... appreciate you doing that! KK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelg Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 I thank you as well. I felt as if the thread had been "hijacked." Here is something for this thread to consider. When Christ suffered "the wrath of God" was it during the three days He was in Hades? That is, did Jesus suffer the separation, pain, and wrath that we would/will suffer after Judgment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markinsa Posted April 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 I thank you as well. I felt as if the thread had been "hijacked." Here is something for this thread to consider. When Christ suffered "the wrath of God" was it during the three days He was in Hades? That is, did Jesus suffer the separation, pain, and wrath that we would/will suffer after Judgment? That's an interesting point. There was a gentlemen that was on TBN that described a stay he had in hell, and he described hell as having none of the attributes of God. If there was separation between the God the Father and Jesus, would God the Father's attributes no longer be available to Jesus while he was separated? - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonjon Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 The suffering of Christ was to spare the human race similar sufferings. Barabbas’s crucifixion was the first commuted by Christ’s crucifixion. It was not only commuted be he was released from Roman custody. Christ took on the sins of the world, not only as a man but also as God. It’s unimaginable to my mind the resilience that God has. He Lives Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (the way, the truth, the life) For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. (gathered in the way, with the truth, and in the life) Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.(my interaction with my fellow man is an exact reflection of my relationship with God) If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?(Jesus identified mankind as being evil) Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.(Jesus is always present in truthful confession and forgiveness is always received) Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.(Jesus identified the extent of our dilution) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleEye Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 That's an interesting point. There was a gentlemen that was on TBN that described a stay he had in hell, and he described hell as having none of the attributes of God. If there was separation between the God the Father and Jesus, would God the Father's attributes no longer be available to Jesus while he was separated? - yes Mark there have been several such testimonies I have seen in recent years....and like Jesus's story of the rich man and Lazarus....there is clearly a hell to shun and a heaven to gain...and yet some will not believe even though Jesus ROSE from the dead....JESUS IS ALIVE !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelg Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 Concerning the question of where Jesus went during the 3 days in the tomb: Jesus told the "thief" at the crucifixion that "today you will be with me in Paradise." Then in Acts 2:27, a quote from Ps. 16 in Peter's sermon at Pentecost, "Because Thou wilt not abandon my soul to Hades, Nor allow Thy Holy One to undergo decay." In Hades (not Hell) the place of torment is separated from Paradise by a great gulf. If Jesus suffered the "wrath of God" it would be in tartarus. But my major point is this: Jesus bore our sins and shed His blood for our forgiveness; that was at the cross. Therefore my sins have been forgiven at Calvary. Jesus in Hades suffered the "wrath of God" on our behalf. The justice of God is satisfied. For me, that means that I will never stand before God to be judged for sin, since they are forgiven and removed, nor will I ever be punished for sin! Jesus has already taken my punishment as well! HOW GREAT IS OUT GOD!!!! HOW WONDERFUL THE SALVATION IN CHRIST JESUS OUR LORD!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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