Rick Santorum on *** Pornography?

[abner]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-04-23-santorum-excerpt_x.htm -----------------just came into my desk- thot you all should see this---IMHO

[CabinFever]

...man on dog....

Really?

[abner]

http://www.ricksantorum.com/protecting-families-women-and-children-through-enforcement-federal-obscenity-laws ----------- WHY ISNT ANYONE ELSE TALKING ABOUT THIS? i dont get it.---IMHO

[thatoneguy]

http://www.ricksanto...-obscenity-laws ----------- WHY ISNT ANYONE ELSE TALKING ABOUT THIS? i dont get it.---IMHO

Yup. You heard it here first, folks.

Uncle Sam wants you to be a good American and stick to MISSIONARY.

LMFAO.

[thegente]

Like Santorum has never taken a peek at Playoboy or the like...these hypocrites just kill me. Stay the F*CK out of people's bedrooms!

[SherryB]

Well call me old school, but I find it very frustrating to have to delete and block obscene crap from my email every day at work, and think the viagra and cialis commercials are inappropriate for children to watch, and should not be shown on every channel. This stuff is not being left in the bedroom, porn itself is invading our privacy and our childrens.

[BrokeNoMore]

Actually, what he said is that individual states get to create the laws they want to allow or not allow the kinds of behaviors they want or don't want in their society.

What he said is that the Supreme court doesn't get to create "case law" to override those laws.

He is constitutionally correct in his position.

His personal opinion is only worth one vote.

Well call me old school, but I find it very frustrating to have to delete and block obscene crap from my email every day at work, and think the viagra and cialis commercials are inappropriate for children to watch, and should not be shown on every channel. This stuff is not being left in the bedroom, porn itself is invading our privacy and our childrens.

I agree.

Like Santorum has never taken a peek at Playoboy or the like...these hypocrites just kill me. Stay the F*CK out of people's bedrooms!

You want to demand with foul language that they stay out of people's bedrooms, yet you can't imagine that someone actually could live out a life choosing to be deprived of a peek at playboy? That just shows who you are, not who Santorum is. Keep your accusations to yourself please. Moreover, it doesn't matter whether he did or not. Changes nothing.

[thatoneguy]

Well call me old school, but I find it very frustrating to have to delete and block obscene crap from my email every day at work, and think the viagra and cialis commercials are inappropriate for children to watch, and should not be shown on every channel. This stuff is not being left in the bedroom, porn itself is invading our privacy and our childrens.

I mean this with the utmost respect, but education starts with the parent.

Would you rather kids learn about it on TV and ask you or,

learn about it in some S & M club when their teenagers?

Can't be afraid to talk about what makes us uncomfortable.

You want to demand with foul language that they stay out of people's bedrooms, yet you can't imagine that someone actually could live out a life choosing to be deprived of a peek at playboy? That just shows who you are, not who Santorum is. Keep your accusations to yourself please. Moreover, it doesn't matter whether he did or not. Changes nothing.

LoL... Ohhhh here we go! LOL.

It changes everything. He's not our daddy saying "do as i say, not as i do".

[thegente]

You want to demand with foul language that they stay out of people's bedrooms, yet you can't imagine that someone actually could live out a life choosing to be deprived of a peek at playboy? That just shows who you are, not who Santorum is. Keep your accusations to yourself please. Moreover, it doesn't matter whether he did or not. Changes nothing.

If you don't want to have a peek at Playboy, or porn in general, no one is forcing you to do so. By enacting certain laws banning said materials, you are in effect forcing others to conform to your point of view, and standard of living. It's just like anything else, if you don't like it, CHANGE THE CHANNEL. If I receive something offensive in my email, I simply mark it as spam and move on. I am for freedom of speech, and for folks living their lives without someone telling them how to live it. I am for equality of ALL Americans, not just the ones I agree with, or who live the same lifestyle as myself. To say otherwise, IS being a hypocrite, and UNAMERICAN. And as far as my foul language, I still believe I have the right to say anything I f*cking want. As do you sir...

[SherryB]

Obscenity is not something I want taught to my children by anyone. We are not talking about sex education here.

[thatoneguy]

Obscenity is not something I want taught to my children by anyone. We are not talking about sex education here.

I wish you the best, SherryB.

But the reality is that it is out there and it's not going anywhere.

So your stance seems to me is that you're rolling the dice that when kids (not yours in particular) get to the 'real' world, that they won't see this.

[fastarnie]

That's what we need more temptation in this world. Let's get even farther from God.

[BrokeNoMore]

I wish you the best, SherryB.

But the reality is that it is out there and it's not going anywhere.

So your stance seems to me is that you're rolling the dice that when kids (not yours in particular) get to the 'real' world, that they won't see this.

Of course they'll see it. But it would be nice if they could recognize it as the filth that it is.

[SherryB]

Thank you BrokeNoMore.

[BrokeNoMore]

Thank you BrokeNoMore.

Sherry, we can't let our kids watch TV at all because of the ads. We have Netflix, and preview any questionable movies before the kids watch.

I don't let them look at magazines or listen to the radio. We buy appropriate books and music on CDs. Yes, even some of the Beatles.

We have them in a private school. Is it perfect? No. But it's way better than the public indoctrination towards Marxism complete with how to use a condom in third grade.

We physically supervise their internet, and view each email before it comes or goes.

It's exhausting. But dammit, my kid is not going to grow up a demented pervert.

I'm giving each a crash course in real life when they hit 17.75 so they're more ready for the unbridled filth of our society. I don't want them to view it as the norm. I'll show it to them myself.

Then they can choose whatever they want. But for now...purity. 1000%.

[SherryB]

I applaud those who stand up for their values and do something about it.

[BrokeNoMore]

I applaud those who stand up for their values and do something about it.

Thank you But really, I don't think it should be so dam hard.

[Shabibilicious]

Sherry, we can't let our kids watch TV at all because of the ads. We have Netflix, and preview any questionable movies before the kids watch.

I don't let them look at magazines or listen to the radio. We buy appropriate books and music on CDs. Yes, even some of the Beatles.

We have them in a private school. Is it perfect? No. But it's way better than the public indoctrination towards Marxism complete with how to use a condom in third grade.

We physically supervise their internet, and view each email before it comes or goes.

It's exhausting. But dammit, my kid is not going to grow up a demented pervert.

I'm giving each a crash course in real life when they hit 17.75 so they're more ready for the unbridled filth of our society. I don't want them to view it as the norm. I'll show it to them myself.

Then they can choose whatever they want. But for now...purity. 1000%.

I would never think of telling another person how to raise their kids. And I'm not going to start now. That said, giving your kids a crash course in "real life" 3 months before they are legal adults concerns me. How will you accomplish such an act, without your kids questioning how you came about such information? Will they feel like you deceived them? Will they question how you have lived your life up to that point? I'm seriously not trying to be mean. I am simply looking at it, as if I were a kid. It seems with only 3 months of reality under their belts, college will be a smack in the face. Will they have what it takes to survive the college experience? These are just some of the concerns I have. Good luck and God Bless.

GO RV, then BV

[SherryB]

I thought maybe you were exaggerating a tidbit.

[Shabibilicious]

I thought maybe you were exaggerating a tidbit.

Not sure if you're referring to me Sherry. If you are, I can assure you I was not exaggerating. I had the pleasure of sending a child to a christian university, assuming the lifestyle would follow the published mission statement. Boy was I mistaken, not because of the university itself, but because of today's youth and the sheltered life many of the kids led, up to that point. Freedom, self awareness and peer pressure as a young adult is a powerful thing. Thank you for your concern though.

GO RV, then BV

Edited April 5, 2012 by Shabibilicious

[SherryB]

Not sure if you're referring to me Sherry. If you are, I can assure you I was not exaggerating. I had the pleasure of sending a child to a christian university, assuming the lifestyle would follow the published mission statement. Boy was I mistaken, not because of the university itself, but because of today's youth and the sheltered life many of the kids led, up to that point. Freedom, self awareness and peer pressure as a young adult is a powerful thing. Thank you for your concern though.

GO RV, then BV

Sorry, I haven't posted a lot, and I was actually responding to BrokeNoMore's reply to me. I agree with what you said.

[Shabibilicious]

Sorry, I haven't posted a lot, and I was actually responding to BrokeNoMore's reply to me. I agree with what you said.

It's all good Sherry. +1

GO RV, then BV

[BrokeNoMore]

I would never think of telling another person how to raise their kids. And I'm not going to start now. That said, giving your kids a crash course in "real life" 3 months before they are legal adults concerns me. How will you accomplish such an act, without your kids questioning how you came about such information? Will they feel like you deceived them? Will they question how you have lived your life up to that point? I'm seriously not trying to be mean. I am simply looking at it, as if I were a kid. It seems with only 3 months of reality under their belts, college will be a smack in the face. Will they have what it takes to survive the college experience? These are just some of the concerns I have. Good luck and God Bless.

GO RV, then BV

I'm not talking about a "crash course in real life", they're getting "real life" now. What they aren't getting is sexualized advertizing, pictures of penises in mouths in their emails, or watching unmarried people seeking out one night stands in bars smarming all over each other for pleasure. Nor are they watching *** men kiss, or anything else like that insomuch as I can control it.

I'm quite sure in our small house they've heard the married adults at it from time to time.

The only reality they're not being steeped in every day is the filth.

I'm also not sending them to a liberal college. I'll send them to a college where my values are upheld. Although, I'm not convinced in today's economic climate that a college education is worth much; I'm thinking trade education is much more worthy.

They actually see enough smut out there to ask questions. I answer their questions as directly and briefly as possible.

I'm upholding some of the values of my parents, but not making one critical mistake: They sheltered me, but did not in any way prepare me. I left home at 18 having no idea what 20 year old men were going to expect on a date, and no idea how to behave. That was the part that backfired.

I'd like to think that I'm preparing them well. It's a beautiful thing to see innocence at 15. And rare. I think they're seeing plenty in what I cannot protect them from. These days, commercial prime time is what cable TV was when I was young. Our morals, in this society, are on a downhill slide to 'ell. I think we have a responsibility to slow it down as much as possible.

And no, I didn't exaggerate. I don't do it perfectly, but I try.

[SherryB]

I'm not talking about a "crash course in real life", they're getting "real life" now. What they aren't getting is sexualized advertizing, pictures of penises in mouths in their emails, or watching unmarried people seeking out one night stands in bars smarming all over each other for pleasure. Nor are they watching *** men kiss, or anything else like that insomuch as I can control it.

I'm quite sure in our small house they've heard the married adults at it from time to time.

The only reality they're not being steeped in every day is the filth.

I'm also not sending them to a liberal college. I'll send them to a college where my values are upheld. Although, I'm not convinced in today's economic climate that a college education is worth much; I'm thinking trade education is much more worthy.

They actually see enough smut out there to ask questions. I answer their questions as directly and briefly as possible.

I'm upholding some of the values of my parents, but not making one critical mistake: They sheltered me, but did not in any way prepare me. I left home at 18 having no idea what 20 year old men were going to expect on a date, and no idea how to behave. That was the part that backfired.

I'd like to think that I'm preparing them well. It's a beautiful thing to see innocence at 15. And rare. I think they're seeing plenty in what I cannot protect them from. These days, commercial prime time is what cable TV was when I was young. Our morals, in this society, are on a downhill slide to 'ell. I think we have a responsibility to slow it down as much as possible.

And no, I didn't exaggerate. I don't do it perfectly, but I try.

I didn't think you were exaggerating on your sincerity or your efforts, just maybe the 17.75 part. By that age your children should have built in values and want your trust.

[BrokeNoMore]

I didn't think you were exaggerating on your sincerity or your efforts, just maybe the 17.75 part. By that age your children should have built in values and want your trust.

I've been thinking of this today, and I had to sit on it for a while to respond. I think I can clearly make my point by sharing a story:

The Scorpion and the Frog

One day, a scorpion looked around at the mountain where he lived and decided that he wanted a change. So he set out on a journey through the forests and hills. He climbed over rocks and under vines and kept going until he reached a river.

The river was wide and swift, and the scorpion stopped to reconsider the situation. He couldn't see any way across. So he ran upriver and then checked downriver, all the while thinking that he might have to turn back.

Suddenly, he saw a frog sitting in the rushes by the bank of the stream on the other side of the river. He decided to ask the frog for help getting across the stream.

"Hellooo Mr. Frog!" called the scorpion across the water, "Would you be so kind as to give me a ride on your back across the river?"

"Well now, Mr. Scorpion! How do I know that if I try to help you, you wont try to kill me?" asked the frog hesitantly.

"Because," the scorpion replied, "If I try to kill you, then I would die too, for you see I cannot swim!"

Now this seemed to make sense to the frog. But he asked. "What about when I get close to the bank? You could still try to kill me and get back to the shore!"

"This is true," agreed the scorpion, "But then I wouldn't be able to get to the other side of the river!"

"Alright then...how do I know you wont just wait till we get to the other side and THEN kill me?" said the frog.

"Ahh...," crooned the scorpion, "Because you see, once you've taken me to the other side of this river, I will be so grateful for your help, that it would hardly be fair to reward you with death, now would it?!"

So the frog agreed to take the scorpion across the river. He swam over to the bank and settled himself near the mud to pick up his passenger. The scorpion crawled onto the frog's back, his sharp claws prickling into the frog's soft hide, and the frog slid into the river. The muddy water swirled around them, but the frog stayed near the surface so the scorpion would not drown. He kicked strongly through the first half of the stream, his flippers paddling wildly against the current.

Halfway across the river, the frog suddenly felt a sharp sting in his back and, out of the corner of his eye, saw the scorpion remove his stinger from the frog's back. A deadening numbness began to creep into his limbs.

"You fool!" croaked the frog, "Now we shall both die! Why on earth did you do that?"

The scorpion shrugged, and did a little jig on the drownings frog's back.

"I could not help myself. It is my nature."

Then they both sank into the muddy waters of the swiftly flowing river.

I'm thinking that giving teenagers access to filth it isn't a matter of trust. One doesn't "trust" 16 year old boys. They are 16 year old boys!!!

The longer filth can be kept out of a child's life, the better chance they have of keeping it out forever. Of course by that age they have some values, but they aren't cemented.

JMHO.