If Your GOP Nominee Would Automatically Beat Obama, Who Would You Nominate?

[40oz]

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[Alexyn1006]

It's great to see Mr. Paul doing so well in this poll. I'm wondering if this poll is at least somewhat reflective/indicative of our country's opinion, at least on a small scale, why is Paul doing so poorly thus far, overall? It's very disheartening.

[brandedbabe]

It's great to see Mr. Paul doing so well in this poll. I'm wondering if this poll is at least somewhat reflective/indicative of our country's opinion, at least on a small scale, why is Paul doing so poorly thus far, overall? It's very disheartening.

The rebulican party is torn....if the tea party and the conservative party could get on the same page then you would have a chance at Obama. I'm a Democrat, my grandfather worked with Robert Kennedy however I feel Obama waisted his first year pushing his Medicare bill that has too many flaws. So in the interest of job creation I am interested to see what transpires....

Its ludicrous to neg me because you don't like my party affiliation...I like Ron Paul also but if he runs as a independent then your dividing the Republican ticket and Newt has been in politics enough for Obama to rip him apart. The best bet is Romney IMO and the Tea Party people will just have to live with "at least its not Obama"....IMO...

[thegente]

Thx 40 .OZ.....

[armondtoth]

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[40oz]

Nice! Thanks to all who voted and bumped it. I'd love to see a couple hundred votes!

[40oz]

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[Usaok]

Paul does not have a problem with legalizing Narcotics , And does not have a problem with Iran having nukes to blow Isrial off of the face of the earth .... hellooooo , it seems as thought the lite is on , but no one is home with you Ron Paul cult followers ... he is a very bright , butttt , blow Isrial off the face of the earth... Take your head , stick it down the toilet , take a few very deep breaths , hopefully that may clean out those cobwebs clouding up your thinking pattern . Hello ....Romney is the only real man and person who will lead us out of this mess the socialist obamacideism has gotten us into ... enough of saving the whales , turtles and gooney birds . We are on a slippery slope right this instance and you and I have one , one chance to save the way we know , . Wake up don't vote party , vote for the best man that can and will beat the tyrant Obama ..if not , america will change dramatically , forever ...mark my words ..an old Marine

[40oz]

Thanks for the post usaok. Don't get mad, but doesnt Israel already have enough nukes to blow Iran off the map? Doesn't Israel want to be a sovereign nation and defend themselves? Some say that Ron Paul's policy is better for Israel than the current policy. See article below if you have time...

As for narcotics, we have lost the war on drugs and found that we are causing more harm than good with the current policy. If heroin was legalized tomorrow, would you start using it? Kids get their parents oxycontin because their parents are stupid. My kids can't get to my prescriptions. Just sayin'.

WASHINGTON, January 29, 2012―“He’s right on,” say many Republican voters of Presidential Candidate Ron Paul, “—except on foreign policy.”

Among social conservatives, who tend to be in favor of heavy defense spending and to be staunch supporters of Israel, this take on the Texas congressman’s campaign is all too common. Members of this large and very important electoral block appreciate Paul’s fiscal sanity, his dedication to Austrian economics, and his determination to cut $1 trillion in his first year in office. They embrace his pro-life position and concern for homeschooling rights. Some of them are beginning to understand his opposition to an unaccountable central bank and call to end the Federal Reserve. He also receives accolades because he respects the U.S. Constitution so stalwartly. But they just can’t get over his approach to foreign policy, which they see as dangerous and anti-Israel. The question we need to be asking is whether this disconnect is really a result of Dr. Paul’s policies or only of how these voters perceive them.

One of the strongest charges against the congressman is that he advocates cutting foreign aid to Israel. That fact alone makes many unwilling to consider supporting him or even take time to learn more about his position. This knee-jerk reaction prevents many voters from coming to an understanding of Paul’s beliefs, or even of the particulars surrounding his statements.

“To me, foreign aid is taking money from poor people in this country and giving it to rich people in poor countries, and it becomes weapons of war –” said Paul at

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“Congressman Paul, would you cut foreign aid to Israel?” interrupted the moderator.

“I would cut all foreign aid,” the candidate responded. “I would treat everybody equally and fairly.”

Paul’s aim then is not to cut foreign aid to Israel specifically, but to cut foreign aid to everybody the US currently supports abroad. As he explained in an interview with Newsmax last month, Israel would actually come out on top in such a scenario.

“Stop and consider America’s policy,” the congressman said, “We give $3 billion a year to Israel in loans; and we give $12 billion or more in assistance to Israel’s self-declared enemies. Some of these are countries that say they will drive Israel into the sea.”

“What should our relationship be with Israel?” asked Newsmax contributor Doug Wead.

“We should be their friend and their trading partner,” said Paul. “They are a democracy and we share many values with them. But we should not be their master. We should not dictate where their borders will be nor should we have veto power over their foreign policy….I say [to Christian evangelicals who want foreign aid to Israel to continue] that our aid in the region is out of balance and it is wrong. Foreign aid does not help Israel. It is a net disadvantage. I say to them that “the borrower is servant to the lender” and America should never be the master of Israel…we should stop interfering with them. We should not dictate what she can and cannot do. We should stop trying to buy her allegiance. And Israel should stop sacrificing their sovereignty as an independent state to us or anybody else, no matter how well-intentioned.”

Paul then went on to talk about previous conflicts in which he had shown support for the sovereignty of Israel.Unbeknownst to many, the candidate stood by Israel three decades ago when she was heavily criticized by most politicians in congress at that the time.

“In October, 1981, most of the world and most of the Congress voiced outrage over Israel’s attack on Iraq and their nuclear development. I was one of the few who defended her right to make her own decisions on foreign policy and to act in her own self-interest.”

Jeffrey Goldberg of The Atlantic recently wrote that Ron Paul’s position is actually the closest to a Zionist of all the Republican candidates, because, “a true Zionist is a believer in two core values of the Jewish liberation movement: Jewish independence and Jewish self-reliance.”

It would seem that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu also feels strongly about the importance of Israel’s independence and self-reliance – values that Paul insists are crucial to the Jewish nation. Said Netanyahu in his 2011 address to the U.S. congress,

“My friends, you don't have to—you don't need to do nation-building in Israel. We're already built. You don't need to export democracy to Israel. We've already got it. And you don't need to send American troops to Israel. We defend ourselves."

Israel certainly does defend herself. It has been estimated that the nation possesses from 75 to as many as 400 nuclear weapons.

In addition to concerns about undermining Israel’s national sovereignty through interference with their policies, Paul has offered another major reason why the foreign aid spending has to go. “We’re in bankruptcy,” he says, referring to the United States, a country with a $15.2 trillion national debt. “We’re not going to be there forever, we’re going to come home.” Thus, he maintains that dependence on U.S. money is “a bad risk” for Israel. “I think their dependency on us is very, very harmful to them,” he stated.

Perhaps social conservatives and Israel-supporters should take another look at Ron Paul and determine, based on the full import of his statements, whether he really is as anti-Israel as some of the media networks suggest. With his concern for her long-term interests and condemnation of the substantial U.S. funding extended to her enemies, could it be that Dr. No really has the best stance on Israel, one that will provide her with the strongest national defense and the most wholesome relationship with America?

[CrappieShark]

Well that is an opinion anyway. Where i come from. I disagree totally. Paul is not anti-jew or anti Israel. Again read what Paul says not what the media puts out. Israel's leader agrees with Ron Paul. He said his ownself that Israel does not need America right now. If Israel ever needs us that would be a different matter which Ron Paul said that too. Romney does not care if Obama wins or he wins. He just wants one or the other they are all part of the Argentina cartel. Read folks and study and don't believe our media they are owned by the same bunch. FInd the backtrails and study them. An old Marine should be good enough to follow a backtrail but you are only repeating what is being told and printed. We have a problem in America. If it is printed and we can read it in news or watch it on TV we just believe it is true. That is brainwashing pure and simple. Is this true because you heard it or read it or is it true because you studied it out and know it. I believe Ron Paul is our only choice because I have researched all of these men myself. But I do not want anyone taking my word for it. research it yourself. Call some of these towns and businesses that Romney destroyed and talk to some of these people who are salt of the earth Americans who lost everything and had to start over again because of Romney. He is a wicked and a vile man. he lies and cannot tell the truth. We have a president right now just like him. They are both liars and the truth is not in them. If I had other Candidates to pick from I might would do it but I don't. We need our freedoms back this term. Or we will never get them back. We need a president who is a libertarian this term. Absolutely. ANd he is not for drugs or killing Israel. He is for a cessation of violence, a rebuilding of our economy, A restoring of our Constitution, nad he has said the same thing for 30 years, and has been glaringly right. Again study this out and you will have a different opinion if you really do. Find out Ron Pauls own words and not the spin the media who is ran by the Obama Romney camp puts on things he says. Let the man speak for himself.

[40oz]

“I would cut all foreign aid,” the candidate responded. “I would treat everybody equally and fairly.”

“Stop and consider America’s policy,” the congressman said, “We give $3 billion a year to Israel in loans; and we give $12 billion or more in assistance to Israel’s self-declared enemies. Some of these are countries that say they will drive Israel into the sea.”

“We should be their friend and their trading partner,” said Paul. “They are a democracy and we share many values with them. But we should not be their master. We should not dictate where their borders will be nor should we have veto power over their foreign policy….I say [to Christian evangelicals who want foreign aid to Israel to continue] that our aid in the region is out of balance and it is wrong. Foreign aid does not help Israel. It is a net disadvantage. I say to them that “the borrower is servant to the lender” and America should never be the master of Israel…we should stop interfering with them. We should not dictate what she can and cannot do. We should stop trying to buy her allegiance. And Israel should stop sacrificing their sovereignty as an independent state to us or anybody else, no matter how well-intentioned.”

Edited January 31, 2012 by 40oz

[40oz]

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[DiveDeepSix]

LOL, great bumps and go NEWT! I've said it before, but I truelly believe if RP runs independent he will put OB back in the White House by splitting the Republican party up, not that I don't like RP but he can't win because the Republicans are obviously not backing him and he will divide up enough votes to cost Newt or Mitt the election. IMO a vote for Paul is a vote for Obama, don't waste your vote, again not that he's a bad guy but look at the numbers.

[brandon2222]

Duh!! RP

[bright]

the GOP doesn't have a candidate to beat Obama......this a weak field.......most of the so called up and coming GOP stars are waiting until 2016 rather than take a chance losing to President Obama.....it amazes me a liberal republican is going to win the nomination.......the GOP hopeful was I guess Rick Perry, ofcourse it took a couple of days for the country to see what a clown he was......I sure am happy he was exposed so perhaps my fellow Texans can what they elected to 3 terms......

[brandon2222]

LOL, great bumps and go NEWT! I've said it before, but I truelly believe if RP runs independent he will put OB back in the White House by splitting the Republican party up, not that I don't like RP but he can't win because the Republicans are obviously not backing him and he will divide up enough votes to cost Newt or Mitt the election. IMO a vote for Paul is a vote for Obama, don't waste your vote, again not that he's a bad guy but look at the numbers.

Dumbest load I've heard yet. Guess you didn't read the article about Ron Paul about to have more Delegates than Newt and Santorum put together. So I'm thinking a Vote for Newt is more a vote for Obama. Some people just don't get it. Do your homework!!!

[DiveDeepSix]

Dumbest load I've heard yet. Guess you didn't read the article about Ron Paul about to have more Delegates than Newt and Santorum put together. So I'm thinking a Vote for Newt is more a vote for Obama. Some people just don't get it. Do your homework!!!

Ummm.....homework has been done, RP will not win and it wouldn't bother me if he did as I can't stand O. So don't give me your media spun crap about RP getting more delegates look at the polls and use your head, oh and do YOUR homework. It's amazing how the liberal media, when ever we seem to have some one in the lead comes in to do their best to destroy that person further dividing the Republicans. First they ripped Cain apart, then Michelle, then it was Newts turn, now they are working on Mitt. What a joke, NOBAMA in 2012. My last post on this topic because I have better things to do then discuss politics they just get me more and more worked up. I don't like to be insulted when giving my opinion though Brandon, that's what opinions are for and I could careless what your opinions are of mine, shouldn't you be in class? Ron Paul......well time will tell won't it!

[brandon2222]

Ummm.....homework has been done, RP will not win and it wouldn't bother me if he did as I can't stand O. So don't give me your media spun crap about RP getting more delegates look at the polls and use your head, oh and do YOUR homework. It's amazing how the liberal media, . First they ripped Cain apart, then Michelle, then it was Newts turn, now they are working on Mitt. What a joke, NOBAMA in 2012. My last post on this topic because I have better things to do then discuss politics they just get me more and more worked up. I don't like to be insulted when giving my opinion though Brandon, that's what opinions are for and I could careless what your opinions are of mine, shouldn't you be in class? Ron Paul......well time will tell won't it!

You obviously don't know a thing about me, or have never read any of my other posts. The liberal media didn't spin this! It's what's about to happen! Newt isn't even on the ballot in Virginia!!? Why would you vote for a man that doesn't even have a chance to win all of the states?? And Shouldn't I be in class... Haha Sir class is in session! Please stop with your mainstream media garbage and wake up.

"when ever we seem to have some one in the lead comes in to do their best to destroy that person further dividing the Republicans" --------

Were you referring to Newt being in the lead? Haha. Stop listening to Limbaugh and Savage and regurgitating their opinion on this board. Get some real ideas!

[stonewall67]

You obviously don't know a thing about me, or have never read any of my other posts. The liberal media didn't spin this! It's what's about to happen! Newt isn't even on the ballot in Virginia!!? Why would you vote for a man that doesn't even have a chance to win all of the states?? And Shouldn't I be in class... Haha Sir class is in session! Please stop with your mainstream media garbage and wake up.

"when ever we seem to have some one in the lead comes in to do their best to destroy that person further dividing the Republicans" --------

Were you referring to Newt being in the lead? Haha. Stop listening to Limbaugh and Savage and regurgitating their opinion on this board. Get some real ideas!

What we have here is a repeat of the 1998 presidential elections. We have completely divided country with 45% conservative and 45% liberal. We have a less than popular Dem in the White House. We have a republican field that is less than desireable..... Out of the group we have, I believe RP to be the best solution for America but look at the voting demographics..... He is totally unelectable in a national race. Why? Because he is seen as way to extreme to moderate republicans and he is seen as a whacko to just about ALL dems..... So what do we end up with? A Bob Dole look alike who will be trotted off to slaughter in a national election and when that happens, the liberals will think they have a mandate to carry on their tax and spend and spend and spend policies that will take this country down the same road that Greece and Spain are on right now...... I hope I am WRONG but I fear that I am not.

[brandon2222]

What we have here is a repeat of the 1998 presidential elections. We have completely divided country with 45% conservative and 45% liberal. We have a less than popular Dem in the White House. We have a republican field that is less than desireable..... Out of the group we have, I believe RP to be the best solution for America but look at the voting demographics..... He is totally unelectable in a national race. Why? Because he is seen as way to extreme to moderate republicans and he is seen as a whacko to just about ALL dems..... So what do we end up with? A Bob Dole look alike who will be trotted off to slaughter in a national election and when that happens, the liberals will think they have a mandate to carry on their tax and spend and spend and spend policies that will take this country down the same road that Greece and Spain are on right now...... I hope I am WRONG but I fear that I am not.

I do appreciate your opinion. Thanks you. But a look at the polls says that there are plenty of democrats republicans and independents alike who will vote for Ron Paul and will not vote for any other candidate. That will bring about a serious wake up call to most republicans especially when there begging him for his nomination and delegates in November. You got to see that and feel where I'm coming from.. I'm from Austin tx and there's nothing but Ron Paul talk all over town. Granted I'm from Texas, but Austin is very liberal and most lobs here are tired of Obama. Ron Paul is the great uniter.

[stonewall67]

I do appreciate your opinion. Thanks you. But a look at the polls says that there are plenty of democrats republicans and independents alike who will vote for Ron Paul and will not vote for any other candidate. That will bring about a serious wake up call to most republicans especially when there begging him for his nomination and delegates in November. You got to see that and feel where I'm coming from.. I'm from Austin tx and there's nothing but Ron Paul talk all over town. Granted I'm from Texas, but Austin is very liberal and most lobs here are tired of Obama. Ron Paul is the great uniter.

I am from Texas as well and if RP wins the nomination and the election, my bro-in-law will be the most likely guy to take his spot.... You are correct that Austin is a liberal town and RP has a good base of support there but the foundation of that support are college students who are notorious for not showing up at the polls. I also think that RP being from Texas gives him a push in Austin that he doesn't get elsewhere in this country. RP has a wonderful and loyal base. They have given him monies that far surpass his rivals in this race but his poll numbers are stagnate. He is not loosing ground but he is not gaining any either and that is why I believe him to be unelectable. He has already tapped into the demographic base that will support him and he is not likely to increase that popularity outside of that base. I wish it where different in that I support his views on "ALMOST" everything but when it comes to national electability, I don't feel as if he has a chance.

Bottom line.... 50% of the folks in this country don't pay taxes. 1 in 3 people in this country work for the government. 1 out of 4 people in this country receive government subsidies in one form or another i.e. social security, welfare etc.... What does that tell you? Somewhere around 50% of the people in this country will stay with the dems because it guarantees that the government will continue to pay for their life. Then you take in to account those who are not in these statistics who still believe in liberalism and combine it with what you already have and that spells victory for the dems once again........... GOD I HOPE I AM WRONG!!!! But I just don't think so..... Too many folks getting something for nothing spells dem victory.....

[DiveDeepSix]

Bottom line.... 50% of the folks in this country don't pay taxes. 1 in 3 people in this country work for the government. 1 out of 4 people in this country receive government subsidies in one form or another i.e. social security, welfare etc.... What does that tell you? Somewhere around 50% of the people in this country will stay with the dems because it guarantees that the government will continue to pay for their life. Then you take in to account those who are not in these statistics who still believe in liberalism and combine it with what you already have and that spells victory for the dems once again........... GOD I HOPE I AM WRONG!!!! But I just don't think so..... Too many folks getting something for nothing spells dem victory.....

Couldn't agree with you more Stone, THIS is exactly the problem with the US and your absolutely right the entitlement crowd will NOT vote to have their free money taken away from them. This scares the crap out of me as well. What will happen is the working class tax payers are going to get sick of working their butts off to pay others who are better off then they are to sit on their rears. People just don't seem to get it, not everyone can be on assistance at the same time, someone has to pay for it.

[brandon2222]

I am from Texas as well and if RP wins the nomination and the election, my bro-in-law will be the most likely guy to take his spot.... You are correct that Austin is a liberal town and RP has a good base of support there but the foundation of that support are college students who are notorious for not showing up at the polls. I also think that RP being from Texas gives him a push in Austin that he doesn't get elsewhere in this country. RP has a wonderful and loyal base. They have given him monies that far surpass his rivals in this race but his poll numbers are stagnate. He is not loosing ground but he is not gaining any either and that is why I believe him to be unelectable. He has already tapped into the demographic base that will support him and he is not likely to increase that popularity outside of that base. I wish it where different in that I support his views on "ALMOST" everything but when it comes to national electability, I don't feel as if he has a chance.

Bottom line.... 50% of the folks in this country don't pay taxes. 1 in 3 people in this country work for the government. 1 out of 4 people in this country receive government subsidies in one form or another i.e. social security, welfare etc.... What does that tell you? Somewhere around 50% of the people in this country will stay with the dems because it guarantees that the government will continue to pay for their life. Then you take in to account those who are not in these statistics who still believe in liberalism and combine it with what you already have and that spells victory for the dems once again........... GOD I HOPE I AM WRONG!!!! But I just don't think so..... Too many folks getting something for nothing spells dem victory.....

Very well spoken, but it's going to take alot for his delegates not to write him in. That's all I'm saying. Republicans need to take him seriously.

[stonewall67]

Very well spoken, but it's going to take alot for his delegates not to write him in. That's all I'm saying. Republicans need to take him seriously.

I think most do but not the way you think. Does he have a realistic chance to win the Rep Primary..... No. Does he have a realistic chance to keep whoever does win the primary out of the white house? You bet he does.... He has a large base of support and will garner a ton of votes if he runs as an independent and because of that ..... Republicans take him VERY seriously. I hope he does run as an independent though and here's why.

If what I think is true and Obama is able to defeat any nominee from the repubs (mostly because there just isn't much to choose from) then RP running as independent will show the dems that they do not have a mandate to keep on spending, spending, spending. If RP can get over 10% to 12% of the national vote and the repubs get around 45% and obummer gets 47% to 48% then there is no way then can claim a mandate with the American people and hopefully washington will see how polarizing it's policies are to the American people.