Brazen

Please do visit Sams site Darin. Logical debate is always welcome there.

Thanks Bumper.....so this forum is for RV believers only? No other opinions are allowed? Sorry but I thought this site was for dinar discussion not never ending dinar hype and misinformation. I know that you don't want to hear reality. You and many others want the dream to continue. That's fine. I would say put me on ignore but it is your job to monitor my post so I guess you will have to ban me because I will not stop speaking out against the dinar RV illusion. What?....LOP prison isn't enough? Believe it or not there are many who are on the fence and appreciate truth instead of cheerleading of an impossible outcome on every site they visit. DV "WAS" I should say the only site left that allowed any type of logical debate but I now see that is a thing of the past. All of the people who are where even articulate enough to engage in a debate have all been banned. Its sad but it is what it is. Sorry Bumper but I will not conform to the hype.

Why do you continue with the "riches" of Iraq line? Iraq is not rich. Iraq is a peon in the economic scene and always will be. This has been explained to you many times but you refuse to accept reality. A full blown LOP or a penny or 5 buck RV? Huh? Here you go again pretending that giant RVs are a real thing. It's funny to see grown people believing in fairytales.

Whether or not I own dinar or not is irrelevant. What is relevant is the lie. The lie that currencies can jump in value by 100s or 1000s or even 100s of 1000s of percent overnight. Its like saying Mickey Mouse is going to fly down from Jupiter and lift the Empire State Building with one finger. Obviously this will never happen but that doesn't matter. Logic goes away when people are told they will become a millionaire overnight. It doesn't help when you have cheerleaders running around spouting off nobody knows either. That's the problem with the dinar situation. Very few if any on this site fully understand economics so they figure that a 100,000% RV maybe possible when its not. Not at all. It isn't even remotely close to being possible. As long as people believe that it could be possible then pumpers and dinar pimps will continue to get rich. Its the unknown that dealers and their paid minions use to their advantage. Just look at a certain someone who stalks this section constantly. He will use any method possible to keep people believing that a RV is real. Pages and pages of irrelevant garbage that keeps the illusion alive. Its all just an illusion though. Created to sell dinar and get people excited so that they will hype their friends and families into the dinar dilemma next. The main forum is full of people speaking of RVs like if they are real and are a given in Iraq. This is what greed and desperation will do to people. It will have them speaking of impossibilities like they are sure to happen.

Why Caz? So that you can have a site that is unimpeeded hype? You would like that wouldn't you?

My way or the highway attitude? You just described the Go RV Dinar internet industry to a tee. Anyone who speaks out against the lie is banished to LOP prison or completely censored. Doesn't really matter....sooner or later Iraq will RD and and everyone will be forced to wake up. I guess they could go indefinately in a hyperinflated state in which case you will get to keep your dream alive and the hype and deception will continue as well. That's the paradox in dinar land. As long as Iraq doesn't RD the lie of a giant RV can continue to be pumped to the unknowing with the "nobody knows" banner to back it up. Funny.....that's your favorite line huh Caz?

Wow.....that's a lot of people who have been banned Caz.....have you ever stopped for a minute to think why those people were banned Caz? Let me add some more. Legolas, makecents, networth, callinfoolsout, and I could go on and on Caz. All of these people did their best to expose the illusion. The problem is all of them were articulate enough to be a threat to the illusion. Brazen will be gone soon just like Dinarck is. Once the LOP prison loses its effectiveness, 100% banishment censorship is next. What does that tell you about your RV caz? I guess you can continue to pretend that all these people were meanies but we both know the real truth.

Could someone please post a link showing that a redenomination goes against the Iraqi constitution? Until then......once again....nice try Sonny. You see....there is no need for Sonny or Dontlop or Nick or whatever name he wants to use to show that a massive RV is possible only that it COULD be possible. So far he has failed to do even that yet that doesn't even matter. He will just post pages full of irrelevance to create the illusion that massive RVs COULD be real when in fact they are not. The new whining and tattle telling is quite humouros too. Lol

Well since the other thread is locked I will respond here. Respect is earned Sonny. You have a long way to go. I guess you could always manipulate my post like you did to keepem huh Sonny? That way there will be one less person in the way of your attempt at creating a RV illusion.

It has zero to do with Iraq which is exactly why Sonny keeps posting this irrelevance.....anything he can do to divert attention away from the 75 trillion and growing M2 he will do obviously.

Hey Sonny......give it a rest.

Agree.....RVers don't have any clue what is being said in the articles anyway. At least here they can be discussed logically. The question is.....how are the zero articles going to be spun to mean RV if they are all down here?

4profit.....if you want to believe that ignorance then more power to you. What I fail to understand is why you whine and cry about people talking bad about your fairytale when you are so positive that Cinderella is real.

If an Iraqi had a sign up stating.....exchange your Iraqi dinar here for USD.....1220 dinar for 1 dollar. Would that be considered an official exchange rate? No....its a market rate.....there is a difference just like there is a difference between a conversion rate and an exchange rate.

Dontlop himself has posted links to show that we are correct in our statements.

Exactly RVplease.....the CPA specifically used the word conversion rate so not to confuse. If not they would have stated official exchange rate which they didn't. Also the Swiss dinar was never remonetized like Dontlop claims. The CBI never said........OK.....anyone can now use Swiss dinar to buy items in Baghdad now. It was given an OFFICIAL CONVERSION RATE FOR EXCHANGE ONLY.

You are correct.....an official conversion rate is the same thing as an official convesion rate. Yeah so you keep saying.....show us.....show a link that an OFFICIAL EXCHANGE RATE was given to the Swiss dinar.

Here is a bunch of post by Dontlop yapping about the official exchange rate of the Swiss Dinar changing during the exchange meaning the Swiss Dinar RVed massively. This of course was before he was proved wrong by his own documents that clearly showed that the Swiss Dinar was never given an official exchange rate by the CBI and instead was given an official conversion rate by the CPA meaning that it did not RV it was only allowed to be exchanged for a value that the CPA determined equal to what its purchasing power was at the time. we have to stay inside the box of law here A fixed, or pegged, rate is a rate the government (central bank) sets and maintains as the official exchange rate. Read more: http://dinarvets.com...2#ixzz2Pf6CyNYF ya its just speculation but i do know about the official exchange rate of the swiss dinar changing over night .. thats not debatable. its a fact Read more: http://dinarvets.com...1#ixzz2Pf6WmvkC ive also stated that the kuwait dinar did not rv since the official exchange rate never changed Read more: http://dinarvets.com...1#ixzz2Pf6hwPZw and i asked for proof of the official exchange rate for the swiss dinars prior to the invasion .. from the cbi ..or un operational rates . or the imf .. nothing was or could be produced all i got was the exchange rates in 2003 after it was revalued by giving it an official exchange rate so i was called names for that Read more: http://dinarvets.com...1#ixzz2Pf6x2b7g i stated clearly that one of the two had to of rvd but both couldnt of rvd .. one central bank never changed its official exchange rate and the other central bank did change its official exchange rate Read more: http://dinarvets.com...1#ixzz2Pf7BB0Om heres what i got .. the official exchange rate for the swiss dinar was posted by rvplease today .. it was zero ..it was demonetized .. had zero for its official exchange rate unitl it was given an official exchange rate based on a market value simular to bit coins with no central control .. pegged to nothing officially now if you can prove me wrong be my guest .. so far you flatbush have provided zero evidence of what i said is wrong .. please show me the official exchange rates for the swiss dinar prior to the invasion .. after it was demonetized in 1990 .. please prove me wrong . and that the swiss dinar did have an official exchange rate . backed by the govt of iraq .. the central bank of iraq .. the international monetary fund .. the united nations operational rates .. anything ligetimate besides your buddys in lopster chat you say im wrong ..prove me wrong Read more: http://dinarvets.com...1#ixzz2Pf7YX18d

So now its clear to everyone that the Swiss dinar never RVed because it was never given an official exchange rate. An official exchange rate would have given the Swiss Dinar status to convert into goods and services and to be used as trade by the issuing government. We know for a fact that this did not happen. We know that the CPA determined its value so that fairness could be achieved in exchanging the new dinar to people in the north who still used the Swiss dinar widely. We know this is not an official exchange rate but a conversion rate for a short exchange period. Dontlop has deceived everyone on this forum for days with his made up Swiss Dinar RV. This is exactly how dinar hype starts and the main reason there is an entire industry built around dinar sales and its all based off of lies and misinterpretations of history. Dontlop is not the first and will not be the last to spin the truth and distort reality in an attempt to push an agenda. A few on this forum have done their best to provide actual historical documents and facts to back their arguments but Dontlop has been successful in posting scrips that are almost a page long to push the truth to the back page where is victims are less likely to see it. This is a new forum technique used by the "positive" dinar "investors" to hide the truth. Here are some more lies told by Dontlop about the Swiss dinar being given an official exchange rate.... keep that term in mind ...>>> official exchange rate .. thats how they determined that the kuwait dinar did not rv .. even though the market rates fell to almost nothing during saddams invasion of kuwait for 6 months back in the early 1990s .. Read more: http://dinarvets.com...5#ixzz2PhphKOBO watch them try to defend that comparing the kuwait dinar to the swiss dinar .. one official rate never changed >>>kuwait and one official rate did change .. >>iraqi swiss dinar // so one had to of rvd Read more: http://dinarvets.com...5#ixzz2Phq5wuIQ dude theres pot in circulation .. whats its official exchange rate the central bank sets monetary policy .. go to the airport tommarro and exchange in a confederate dollar .. and tell us what the rate is ..its demonetized ..it has no official rates .. the government (central bank) sets and maintains as the official exchange rate. Read more: http://dinarvets.com...4#ixzz2PhqWOHSY either a central banks official rates matter or they dont matter rvpleasetoday .. which is it Read more: http://dinarvets.com...3#ixzz2PhrVF8JO

Or the bank will give them official conversion rates if a short term exchange of an already widely used currency in a select part of the country is allowed during a time of war. Of course this is a rare occasion. Point is official exchange rates do not necessarily have to be given to a demonitized currency for an exchange to occur. Instead a temporary official conversion rate could be given just like what happened with the Swiss Dinar....not an official exchange rate but an official conversion rate. Like what happened with the Swiss Dinar.

So now its clear to everyone that the Swiss dinar never RVed because it was never given an official exchange rate. An official exchange rate would have given the Swiss Dinar status to convert into goods and services and to be used as trade by the issuing government. We know for a fact that this did not happen. We know that the CPA determined its value so that fairness could be achieved in exchanging the new dinar to people in the north who still used the Swiss dinar widely. We know this is not an official exchange rate but a conversion rate for a short exchange period. Dontlop has deceived everyone on this forum for days with his made up Swiss Dinar RV. This is exactly how dinar hype starts and the main reason there is an entire industry built around dinar sales and its all based off of lies and misinterpretations of history. Dontlop is not the first and will not be the last to spin the truth and distort reality in an attempt to push an agenda. A few on this forum have done their best to provide actual historical documents and facts to back their arguments but Dontlop has been successful in posting scrips that are almost a page long to push the truth to the back page where is victims are less likely to see it. This is a new forum technique used by the "positive" dinar "investors" to hide the truth. Here are some more lies told by Dontlop about the Swiss dinar being given an official exchange rate.... keep that term in mind ...>>> official exchange rate .. thats how they determined that the kuwait dinar did not rv .. even though the market rates fell to almost nothing during saddams invasion of kuwait for 6 months back in the early 1990s .. Read more: http://dinarvets.com/forums/index.php?/topic/141118-the-kuwaiti-dinar-did-not-revalue/page-5#ixzz2PhphKOBO watch them try to defend that comparing the kuwait dinar to the swiss dinar .. one official rate never changed >>>kuwait and one official rate did change .. >>iraqi swiss dinar // so one had to of rvd Read more: http://dinarvets.com/forums/index.php?/topic/141118-the-kuwaiti-dinar-did-not-revalue/page-5#ixzz2Phq5wuIQ dude theres pot in circulation .. whats its official exchange rate the central bank sets monetary policy .. go to the airport tommarro and exchange in a confederate dollar .. and tell us what the rate is ..its demonetized ..it has no official rates .. the government (central bank) sets and maintains as the official exchange rate. Read more: http://dinarvets.com/forums/index.php?/topic/141118-the-kuwaiti-dinar-did-not-revalue/page-4#ixzz2PhqWOHSY either a central banks official rates matter or they dont matter rvpleasetoday .. which is it Read more: http://dinarvets.com/forums/index.php?/topic/141118-the-kuwaiti-dinar-did-not-revalue/page-3#ixzz2PhrVF8JO

Na.....RVers need a way to whine and cry...Lol

Well now you are saying that official exchange rates don't matter but here you said...... ive also stated that the kuwait dinar did not rv since the official exchange rate never changed Read more: http://dinarvets.com...1#ixzz2Pf6hwPZw

Can't win the argument so you cry. Just like 4profit.

Oh.....now suddenly official exchange rates don't matter. Hahaha...you are a joke.