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All you guys still bring is bla bla bla bla....... oh let's bring a cartoon drawing this should prove our point ..... bla bla bla ......... bla bla bla warp thinking..... bla bla bla they wouldn't answer that..... bla bla bla , when you guys decide to bring something that proves that we don't need change then we can talk, and bring something that the NRA doesn't put in your mouths, here's more proof. U.S. Leads Richest Nations In Gun Deaths BY CHELSEA J. CARTER THE ASSOCIATED PRESS ATLANTA -- The United States has by far the highest rate of gun deaths -- murders, suicides and accidents -- among the world's 36 richest nations, a government study found. The U.S. rate for gun deaths in 1994 was 14.24 per 100,000 people. Japan had the lowest rate, at .05 per 100,000. The study, done by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, is the first comprehensive international look at gun-related deaths. It was published Thursday in the International Journal of Epidemiology. The CDC would not speculate why the death rates varied, but other researchers said easy access to guns and society's acceptance of violence are part of the problem in the United States. ``If you have a country saturated with guns -- available to people when they are intoxicated, angry or depressed -- it's not unusual guns will be used more often,'' said Rebecca Peters, a Johns Hopkins University fellow specializing in gun violence. ``This has to be treated as a public health emergency.'' The National Rifle Association called the study shoddy because it failed to examine all causes of violent deaths. ``What this shows is the CDC is after guns. They aren't concerned with violence. It's pretending that no homicide exists unless it's related to guns,'' said Paul Blackman, a research coordinator for the NRA in Fairfax, Va. The 36 countries chosen were listed as the richest in the World Bank's 1994 World Development Report, with the highest GNP per capita income. The study used 1994 statistics supplied by the 36 countries. Of the 88,649 gun deaths reported by all the countries, the United States accounted for 45 percent, said Etienne Krug, a CDC researcher and co-author of the article. Japan, where very few people own guns, averages 124 gun-related attacks a year, and less than 1 percent end in death. Police often raid the homes of those suspected of having weapons. The study found that gun-related deaths were five to six times higher in the Americas than in Europe or Australia and New Zealand and 95 times higher than in Asia. Here are gun-related deaths per 100,000 people in the world's 36 richest countries in 1994: United States 14.24; Brazil 12.95; Mexico 12.69; Estonia 12.26; Argentina 8.93; Northern Ireland 6.63; Finland 6.46; Switzerland 5.31; France 5.15; Canada 4.31; Norway 3.82; Austria 3.70; Portugal 3.20; Israel 2.91; Belgium 2.90; Australia 2.65; Slovenia 2.60; Italy 2.44; New Zealand 2.38; Denmark 2.09; Sweden 1.92; Kuwait 1.84; Greece 1.29; Germany 1.24; Hungary 1.11; Republic of Ireland 0.97; Spain 0.78; Netherlands 0.70; Scotland 0.54; England and Wales 0.41; Taiwan 0.37; Singapore 0.21; Mauritius 0.19; Hong Kong 0.14; South Korea 0.12; Japan 0.05.

The truth smacks you in the face everyday but you hard core Republicans fail to see it everytime, I have hard core Republicans in my family and I know exactly how you think "it's my way or the highway " " fox news the only real news out there " does that sound familiar, I thank God my eyes are open to see the truth, in 1787 when the second amendment was written there were 13 states now we have 52 do you see a problem yet, now each state have their own little some even less set of laws on gun control, still don't see a problem, Chicago has strict set of laws on guns but how about the neighboring states? if you still can't see a problem maybe the hate you feel for the current president will not allow you to see anything clear.

Morning Jax, you're the only one here that can carry a conversation like grown ups, even though we disagree on this issue I like to bring facts, in 1787 there were 13 states when the second amendment was written now we have 52 states and each state has their own set of laws on gun control, now I've made it clear many times that I'm not against the second amendment and I'm not against your rights to bear arms, but the way it's set up now it's a lot easier for the criminals to get guns than it is for the law abiding citizen, we need a universal law that the law abiding citizens can still have their guns but make hard if not impossible for the criminals to buy guns, and I know we will never keep all criminals from getting their hands on guns but if we can keep the majority of them out of reach of guns it's a win win for everyone, and this is where I stand.

You guys bring nothing to prove me wrong, the only thing you guys are good at is pressing the neg button, and saying something that has no substance and then pat each other on the back like little kids or better yet like Beavus and butthead, hehehehehe nobody took my gun hehehehehe that should teach him hehhehehe yeah that should teach him hehehehehe.

Just loosen the laws a little more, that will put more guns in the streets this should solve all these killings.

Before you start jumping into conclusion I'm not a Democrat, and I'm not ignorant either, I simply look at the whole picture and make an assesment before throwing people under the bus, it seems some of you have no problem doing that.

It's obvious the same people that have an agenda with the gun laws , actually have an agenda with our current president and find anything he does wrong, but here's a list of the presidents that wrote the most executive orders. Here is a list of US presidents and the number of executive orders each has signed. The president with the most executive orders was FDR with 3,522. Barack Obama - 144 (so far) George W. Bush - 291 Clinton - 364 George Bush - 166 Reagan - 381 Carter - 320 Ford - 169 Nixon - 346 Johnson - 325 Kennedy - 214 Eisenhower - 484 Truman - 907 Franklin D. Roosevelt - 3,522 Hoover - 968 Coolidge - 1,203 Harding - 522 Wilson - 1,803 Taft - 724 Theodore Roosevelt - 1,081 McKinley - 185 Cleveland II - 140 Harrison - 143 Cleveland I - 113 Arthur - 96 Garfield - 6 Hayes - 92 Grant - 217 Andrew Johnson - 79 Lincoln - 48 Buchanan - 16 Pierce - 35 Fillmore - 12 Taylor - 5 Polk - 18 Tyler - 17 Harrison - 0 van Buren - 10 Jackson - 12 Adams - 3 Monroe - 1 Madison - 1 Jefferson - 4 Adams - 1 Washington - 8

I'm sorry to break it to you, but from the second you're born until your last breath you're being controlled wether you see it or not, we live in a controlled environment and we should be happy that's controlled otherwise it would be a free for all,, for each his own only the strong survive environment.

Hi Jax, good to see you too, I agree with some of your points, but I don't agree that we don't have a crisis, with over 10,000 deaths every year by firearms and the last few years the mass murders and it's only getting worst, and some countries that have done something about this issue the murder rates have gone way down and in Autralia they haven't had any mass murders in recent years. I hope you understand I'm not trying to take your rights of owning a gun I'm not anti-gun but I'm for gun control, the laws that are in place now on gun control are obviously not working, something needs to be done to cut down on the murders specially of children on children, there's just too many guns roaming around our streets, I know most gun owners are carefull and safe with their guns but there are those that leave it laying around the house for anyone to see and get, there's got to be a happy medium where everybody can live with and make this a safer country for everyone.

This is what I think, the laws in place now are obviously not working, there will always be illegal guns out there in the wrong hands, but I think they need to make the laws universal, the way it's set up now each state makes up their own laws besides the weak laws that are in place now, make it very strict in a way that law abiding citizens can continue to buy guns but the criminals will have a hard time getting it, the other thing that would help would be that if your caught buying or selling illegal guns you're going straight to jail for a few years. Ok, I believe most gun shows are legit and strict but how many gun shows are held each year in this country? and do you really believe they're all the same ?

You're right I've never been to a gun show but I know people that have and they tell me some vendors are legit and some are not and some shady charactors that show up selling guns.

Haha you're funny after all, now you said something that makes sense not all of it but some, I too think the punishement for a illegal guns should be increased, make it 5 years first offence 10 years second no chance of parole, this should keep a lot of troublemakers off the street, that's the other problem we need more prisons not 5 star hotels with tv and weight rooms like some prisons are today.

Now this is what I'm looking for, thank you, ideas on how we can solve this crisis, not name calling or violent responses. I think this is a start the more they can trace bullets or guns the better, now if we can close the loop hole of the gun shows where 40% of unregistered guns are bought and sold I think it's a solid start. You went on and on and nothing on how we can solve this problem of too many guns in the wrong hands in a civilized way, bring something that solves this crisis, unless you don't think we have a problem.

That's the problem with YOU PEOPLE, none of you know how to debate over an issue that's killing our children and that's the best you could come up with pack your bags and leave the country ? I'm trying to be civil here and all YOU PEOPLE come up with is violent responses and then YOU PEOPLE want to know why we have a crisis in this country and can't seem to stop it. it's because of people like you and jonjon that don't want to debate like a civilized nation would. dog53 nothing is going to happen here, they're going to change the law wether you like it or not and you and all the law abiding citizens will keep their guns, I don't know what the problem is here, when all they want to do is make this a safer place to raise your kids and grandkids

No you didn't write the law, and you're all talk I don't believe for a second you would give up your life over them changing the laws, and where do you come up with these things, we're debating about an issue that's a big problem in this country I'm not talking about war, sorry I forgot the first thing that comes to your peoples mind is violence.

Wow, that's the response of an real idiot that has nothing to bring to the table but insults, and they're changing the laws wether you like it or not. the government wrote the law and they can change it, the NRA bribes the corrupt polititions, but the good guys are going to win in the end, and that's not you.

And who wrote that law ? was it somebody in government? or was it the shoemaker down the street? just curious.

You seem like a sensible person, but I don't believe that the government want to control the American public, I think that they couldn't if they tried, our sons and daughters are the ones protecting us so I don't believe they would turn on us, they want this country to be a safe place to live, just like any law as times change so do the laws, back in the early 1900's we didn't need traffic lights, stop signs or road lanes and as times changed they had to amend laws to make the roads safer, now just imagine if we didn't have changed the laws and had no traffic lights or road lanes, that's where we are today with the gun laws, they are out dated these laws were good in the early 1900's now it's time to bring it up to date for today's time. Here's an exemple of a country that solved the mass murder problem Australia. If you want to read the whole article about all the countries that solved that problem click on the link below. In the decade before Port Arthur, Australia saw 11 mass shootings; since then, there has not been a single mass shooting and the gun murder rate has continued its steady decline. Read more: http://dinarvets.com/forums/index.php?/topic/139311-new-mexico-shooting-leaves-5-dead/#ixzz2Ipy38VL1

It is really amazing how some morons respond to a post without even reading it, where in my post do you see ban guns read my post first. That's stupid. " Thanks Umbertino, it's amazing some people still think that we don't need to change the laws, this will only get worst if the government don't act quick " You bring a good point, that's why we need to change the laws so these criminals can't get guns. Another good point, the criminals are getting the guns easier than the law abiding citizen, do you a problem there? Too many guns out there in the streets, that's why we need change.

I didn't think you guys could go any lower but I was wrong. Killers will kill wether they're republicans or democrats, is this the best you can come up with. Bring proof like I do, read this whole article and then tell me if the laws in place now are working. This is why we need change, a universal law for every state or it's never going to work. America's Gun Laws: How Did Your State Score? Read More:Background Checks, Barack Obama, Congress, Gun Control, Guns, Illegal Guns, President Obama, Supreme Court, Politics News 001 Get Breaking News Alerts never spam Share Print Comments With over 100,000 gun deaths or injuries every year in America, it is clear what we're doing now to reduce gun violence is not working. Last week, the Brady Campaign released our State Scorecard for 2008, the latest in our annual rating of the 50 states. Each state is evaluated according to a detailed set of gun violence prevention laws that it does, or does not, have. You can read the Scorecard here. The state scores for 2008 reflect a sad reality that many Americans don't realize. Contrary to the assertion that "thousands" of gun control laws are on the books, there are really only a few designed to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people - and even those have loopholes. Thirty-seven states scored less than 20 points out of 100 on this year's Scorecard; 25 states scored 10 points or less. That means nearly three-fourths of the states in America lack even a basic gun violence prevention safety net to protect communities and families from dangerous people who find it easy to obtain firearms. America's five most violent states, for example - South Carolina, Tennessee, Nevada, Louisiana, and Florida -- have no laws to require a Brady criminal background check for every gun sale, no laws to combat illegal gun trafficking effectively, and no laws to restrict access to military-style assault weapons. One result is that - as the most recent figures show - South Carolina has the highest violent crime rate in America; Tennessee has the fifth-highest rate of gun homicide; Nevada has America's fourth-highest gun death rate (including the fourth-highest rate of gun suicide); while Louisiana has the highest gun death rate, highest gun homicide rate, and highest accidental gun death rate in America. Gun homicides in America rose over 14% between 1999 and 2005, according to the latest available figures. Ten states with the highest gun death rates in America have some of the nation's weakest gun laws, including Louisiana, Alaska, Montana, Tennessee, Alabama, Nevada, Arkansas, Arizona, Mississippi, and West Virginia. Overall rates are influenced by a number of factors, but the consequences of dangerous behavior are only magnified by easy access to guns by dangerous people. Reasonable restrictions on who gets guns, what types of guns they can get, where guns can be taken, and how guns are sold, can help mitigate dangerous behavior while still respecting the Second Amendment. Even though such limitations on guns are a central part of last summer's Supreme Court decision, the gun lobby tries to ignore that part of the decision. At the other end of the Scorecard is California. With almost 37 million people, California would rank among the most populous nations in the world. It also has America's strongest gun violence prevention safety net. Laws such as mandatory background checks on all firearm purchases, a "one-handgun-a-month" law to prevent bulk handgun purchases that feed the illegal gun market, a tough restriction on access to assault weapons, and many other effective gun laws work together to help keep dangerous weapons from dangerous people. Not surprisingly, California ranks in the lower half of all states in total gun death rates, with a gun homicide rate half of Louisiana's. Other states are also making progress. For example, the Illinois legislature is considering a bill to extend Brady criminal background checks to all handgun purchases from unlicensed sellers, a crucial way to screen out as many felons, fugitives, domestic abusers and dangerously mentally ill as possible from the gun purchasing process. New Jersey just passed new restrictions on military-style assault weapons, and is now considering a limit on the bulk purchasing of handguns to cut illegal gun trafficking. Also, New York has a bill pending to require handguns to " " ammunition each time a round is fired, helping law enforcement find criminal shooters faster. California recently enacted similar legislation.After last year's Supreme Court decision in the Heller case, and the election of Barack Obama as President, it is a new day for gun violence prevention in America. There is much work to do, however, and I hope that in the year ahead you consider joining our grassroots effort to help improve your state's score, and make all of our communities safer from the threat of gun violence. (Note to readers: This entry, along with past entries, has been co-posted on bradycampaign.org/blog and the Huffington Post.) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-helmke/americas-gun-laws-how-did_b_165825.html

Thanks Umbertino, it's amazing some people still think that we don't need to change the laws, this will only get worst if the government don't act quick.

I've said this 100 times I'm not anti-gun, I've said it many times that I believe if you're a law abiding citizen you have the right to own a gun, I don't know why you keep saying that I'm anti-gun, I believe the laws are flawed and that's why we're seeing all these mass shootings, look at all my posts and show me where I said that I'm anti-gun. I've brought many articles to prove we need changes in the current laws, they're obviously not working and I haven't seen anybody bring any stats or articles that prove otherwise, the laws need to be universal or it's never going to work and the killings will continue, if any of you had lost a kid to a mass murderer you would understand what all those parents in Sandy hook went through you should thank God everyday that you're not a victim and just because you have a gun or guns don't think you'll never be a victim, all of my friends and family do not own a gun except the ones that are in law enforcement and we never needed one and I'm sure that most of you never needed it either but it's your choice and I'm ok with it, but don't tell me that the laws are good the way they are because the stats prove otherwise.

I have the same rights as you, I already told you I'm not telling you how to run your life, but I'm not going to sit here and watch kids being massacered everyday just because you and a few others think we should solve violence with violence, and put more guns in the streets. And by the way this article proves that you can still own your gun, but make everybody elses lives safer too. And your opinion means nothing to me either, do you get that. You only say this because you never lost a child to a mass murderer, ask the parents that lost their kids what they think about it. What's pathetic is that you have no common sense and you don't even know it. And by the way at least I bring facts that gun control works, and all you guys bring is bla bla you're not taking my guns bla bla drugs bla bla car deaths bla bla over my dead body bla bla bla bla liberal bla bla pathetic bla bla Chicago, be for real. bring something to prove to me that the laws are working the way they are. And if you can prove to me the existing laws are working I promise I'll stop posting.

You guys like to bring different topics to this thread, just like car deaths drugs is a completely different topic, but read the article about countries with tough gun laws and then get back to me. Read this paragraph below. " In the decade before Port Arthur, Australia saw 11 mass shootings; since then, there has not been a single mass shooting and the gun murder rate has continued its steady decline. " How Australia And Other Developed Nations Have Put A Stop To Gun Violence Walter Hickey|Jan. 15, 2013, 8:07 PM|6,207|67 inShare5 Email MoreShare on Tumblr 5 inShareEmailShare on TumblrdiggThe debate over gun control in the United States doesn't take place in a vacuum. Other countries all over the world play the same video games and have the same mental health problems as the United States, but manage to avoid a sky-high gun murder rate and frequent public shooting massacres. The differences are due, in part, to the way that the different countries regulate gun ownership. Here's how several other prosperous nations deal with the issue: The United Kingdom In 2011, the U.K. had 0.07 gun homicides for every 100,000 people; the U.S., by contrast, had 3 gun homicides for every 100,000. In 2009 there were 138 gun deaths in the U.K, where there are 6.7 firearms for every 100 people. One reason contributing to this is the U.K.'s strict gun laws. According to an English rifle and gun club legal center, any person possessing a firearm in the U.K. must posses a Shotgun Certificate or a Firearm Certificate. Machine guns, pepper spray, semi-automatic, and pump-action rifles, and any firearm that has a barrel less than 30 centimeters in length are prohibited. The only firearms that can be owned legally are shotguns, black powder weapons, manually-loaded cartridge pistols and manually-loaded center-fire rifles, all termed "Section 1" firearms. To gain a firearm certificate, applicants must be over age 14, and must demonstrate they have satisfactory security and "good reason" to own a rifle. Applicants must declare all criminal convictions and name two references to support the application. Applications must be renewed every five years. The requirements are largely the same for a shotgun certificate, although the applicant doesn't need two references, only one counter-signatory — and there is no minimum age. Anyone convicted of a criminal offense can't even handle a gun for five years. If the sentence involved more than three years in prison, there is a lifetime ban. Canada The U.S.'s neighbor to the north also has outstandingly low gun casualty statistics. In 2009, there were 0.5 deaths per 100,000 from gun homicide — only 173 people. Still, the ownership is comparatively high — there are 23.8 firearms per 100 people in the country. There is no legal right to possess arms in Canada. It takes sixty days to buy a gun there, and there is mandatory licensing for gun owners. Gun owners pursuing a license must have third-party references, take a safety training course and pass a background check with a focus on mental, criminal and addiction histories. Licensing agents are required to advise an applicant's spouse or next-of-kin prior to granting a license, and licenses are denied to applicants with any past history of domestic violence. Buyers in private sales of weapons must pass official background checks. Canadian civilians aren't allowed to possess automatic weapons, handguns with a barrel shorter than 10.5 cm or any modified handgun, rifle or shotgun. Most semi-automatic assault weapons are also banned. As a result of exemptions, several kinds of assault weapons are still legal in Canada, although this has been the source of some controversy. Japan Japan's gun policies are notoriously strict. Civilians cannot possess handguns, automatic assault weapons, semi-automatic assault weapons, military rifles, or machine guns. Japanese civilians aren't even allowed to own swords. Without a license, a Japanese citizen isn't even permitted to touch a firearm. Failure to follow this law can result in up to 10 years in prison. Japanese civilians hold a mere 710,000 guns, with 0.6 firearms for every person. In 2008, there were 11 gun homicides. For perspective, there are 122,800,000 people in Japan. That year is not an anomaly. In 2006 there were 2 gun homicides and in 2007 there were 22, a national scandal. What is legal are hunting rifles and shotguns, but those can only be obtained after an exhaustive application process. An aspiring gun-toucher must first take an all-day class and pass both written and practical exams. Then, applicants are required to go to the hospital for a mental health test, and provide police with a medical certificate attesting their mental health and drug-free status. The police then investigate the applicants ;background, relatives and group affiliations. Involvement in some political or activist organizations is grounds for categorical denial of license application. Only after all that can a Japanese citizen buy a gun. Even then, gun-owners are required to store the gun in a locker, store ammunition in a separate locked safe, and provide for the police a map of the location of the locker, Gun owners must then submit to annual inspections of the rifle or shotguns and retake the shooting range class and written exam every three years. Australia Australia had 30 gun homicides in 2010, which amounted to 0.13 gun deaths for each 100,000 people. Australians hold 3-3.5 million guns, a rate of 15 guns for every 100 people. Australia is a rare nation that has had a significant shift toward additional gun control in recent years. Following a 1996 shooting spree that left 35 Australians dead at the Port Arthur tourist location in Tasmania, the government launched a major overhaul of gun laws. In the decade before Port Arthur, Australia saw 11 mass shootings; since then, there has not been a single mass shooting and the gun murder rate has continued its steady decline. Here's what they did: Pro-gun Conservative John Howard pushed through an ambitious gun control program. The laws banned all automatic and semi-automatic weapons and instituted strict licensing rules involving background checks and waiting periods for purchases. The conservative government also instituted a buyback program, where people were paid for turning in newly illegal automatic and semi-automatic rifles; 650,000 weapons were voluntarily handed in and destroyed at a cost of roughly $359.6 million. Today, Australians must demonstrate a justifiable need to have a gun, such as being a farmer or sport shooter. Australia doesn't have a full semi-automatic handgun ban and doesn't have any laws designed to keep guns away from the mentally ill. Read more: http://www.businessi...1#ixzz2IdmCfRop

If you have followed my posts I never said you should give up your guns, I said they need to change the laws to make it harder to get guns specially the crooks, if you're a law abiding citizen and pass the background check, and you register your guns then you're good, my problem is that it's too easy to get guns in some states, they need to make universal laws. and not once did I try to tell you or anybody how to live you life, all I said is we need to stop the mass killings, and you can fight crime without violence. Is this the best you got? between the two of us there's only one fool and it's not me. Open your eyes and look at the different laws in each state, Chicago has tough laws but the criminals go buy their guns where it's easy to get one, this post you brought only proves that laws need to be changed and make universal laws. It's a joke that 1/3 of the country has tough laws and the rest don't. If you want I can bring several articles from every state if that helps you to see it's all over the country. And this thing of comparing cars with guns is ridiculous, you know as well as I do, it's two completely different topics. You sound like a five year old, bring something of substance to the table.