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http://open.salon.com/blog/gordon_wagner/2010/08/05/elena_kagan_tied_to_obamas_birth_certificate_cases The problem with lies are that they take alot of effort, and liars rely on laziness to assist them. "The seriousness of the allegation" was y'alls mantra for years,.. how about now?

Nice try! Facts are gathered and used to determine that which we determine to be called truth. Starting with the Truth and selecting facts to augment and verify is your whole schtick! The post laid out verifiable facts, whether they lead to a truth or not is subject to a particular question. ie,. "Did Justice Kagan shepherd Birth Certificate cases in a specific manner to impede fact finding"? More importantly, her name in association with this issue should be cause for her to recuse herself from further judging their merit,...Right?

Being Obedient to the "Truth" is what blinds you, Try being Obedient to FACTS and see where it takes you.

Your blind belief in your own beliefs show you to be a dupe! Typical Obama Constituent,.. Problem is, If you really believed what you just said, you would have understood that by your own statement you acknowledge you are in the minority,... not the majority "Masses" has been historically used when referencing the "Majority". But you and I both know that the Majority rejects outright the lies and obfuscations of the current Administration don't we?! The only way to keep in power from here forward is to use the power they have gained through the near complete control of the Press is to maintain the Illusion through "Technical" ignoring completely the underlying fundamentals. Do you have a line with this Administration, which once crossed would cause you to step back and reevaluate your obedience? Or is that just to deep?

I'm having trouble here,.... Are you a Shill pretending to be a Dupe or a Dupe trying to be a Shill? Which one are you?

Yes, excellent post, but what is the source of this cancer? The source of this cancer is the determination of a certain party not to allow the enforcement of Laws that are on the books. Who is allowing/encouraging this unchecked immigration? See above, also do a search on Cloward-Piven Strategy Who is really benefiting? See above again, also watch the Political Party that seeks benefit from selective enforcement of their Constitutional Obligations. And what is the real purpose for this melting pot? The concept of the melting pot is to generate a society that all pull for a generally similiar ideology; an ideology which has at it's root a belief that risk and dedication are rewarded, and that choices have consequences; consequences which are to be born by those who made the wrong choices or which took on to large of a risk. While we are blaming these dirt-poor economic migrants (migrants are generally considered to have endured a legal process to enter a foreign nation by established process) , who have come to be exploited in the land of the free and brave, (you are starting to sound like a run-of-the-mill dupe trying desperately to become a shill), the real culprits who create money of out thin air and then have the cheek to lend to the (corruptable or ideologically driven)Government and expect interest! The guys who silently stand behind the corporations that own the corporations that give away not only hard earned precious American technology to China, but also take all the good jobs out of the country. (you probably wouldn't believe me if I told you that the EPA, Unions and the Greenies are the ones that made manufacturing cost prohibitive in the States) They are also the ones who hide their billions of profits in tax havens and lobby to it back during tax breaks. (George 'spooky dude' Soros, GE, Google, Buffet etc) Was it a group of immigrants ho bet against America, that it would lose its tripple A rating. (may have been, we will know when Obama finally shows his REAL certificate of live birth) Which jerks did that? (Frank, Dodd, Raines, Geitner, Obama, Pelose, Reed, Boehner plus a few more) Look at the Presiden,t at his' let them eat cake' birthday gala, look at the corrupted face of Congress, look at the Courts, look at the Department of Homeland Security, look at the police, look, look look. (We see it all, and want it all adressed, stopping the bleeding or mending the holes in the bucket are what we desire as the first steps, stop the friggin spending; secure the borders, eradicate entire federal departments, and allow failures to endure their consequences.) There is so much wrong. Poor fluoride poisoned, (only the poor?? really?) chem-trailed, irradiated, ELF challenged America. (uhh, ok) Old Russian proverb - the fish smells from head.(Old Country Doctor proverb - A prescription, without a diagnosis, is malpractice!) Perhaps start at the head? (All politics start local, Search Concord Project, get up and get involved!) Read more:

Legislating equality can only be accomplished by accepting the lowest common denominator. which is no longer equality. It is capitulation to subjugation

So, are you saying that the President was; a.) lying b.) misinformed c.) ignorant d.) all of the above ?????

For your post to be credible we would have to employ a "willing suspension of disbelief"!

better copyright that "Ban Hammer" phrase,.. might allow you to buy more dinar in the coming years!!!

No, It is our Right to have access to information so that we can be informed. It was not long ago, that we were told "the seriousness of the accusation" requires an investigation. Right now the impression of a full half of all informed people in this country is that Obama supporters are either SHILLS or DUPES. Wouldn't YOU like to add a third option to that perception? Lets know for sure, then move on!

Let me light your straw man for you,... Its not the "elderly, disabled, vets, lower and medium income people",.... Its the BONE IDOL!

GPCarter,.. let me take the other side of this and get your thoughts. Have we reached the end when doing the responsible thing gets punished? Will you really have more confidence and "buy" if we stop spending, develop a budget which btw is nearly 2 years overdue, and have a rational discussion about whether programs are efficient? I would suggest that you sit it out a bit, the markets have been trading Technicals for too long now. Underlying fundemantals will always bust out any prolonged coercive pressure,.. Strong money, the type that created the "Run" in Aug 08 does exist, I am not denying that, but doesn't it only take steady pressure to topple that type of alliances resolve?

Maliki was in DC on Wednesday? Did we know that before now? Why did the Gurus not pump that as "our day"? Is it just me that feels there is a concerted effort by the worlds media to keep a blackout on the Dinar? With as much speculation on this investment that is taking place by so many of us,... there is either a concerted effort to ignore or downplay this,.. or we are in the catbird seat of something very very cool. I would like to think that after 7+ years this train is coming into the station, but with the misdirection and silence that surrounds this event, It is hard not to second guess it all.

So if the lapdog press sez it enough it is true? If you still think "W" was a conservative,.. it is your thought process is off. This is what really exposes you,.....you truly feel that a Christian Man which believes in the teaching of his religion should disturb us all just as you are "disturbed",.. and your disdain for this group should also be shared by all? So,.. Jews, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Pagans,.. etc are all to be disdained,.. but you do not discriminate!?!?!?!? This is what I meant when I typed that irrational beliefs require Irriational logic to support them. "you're rude, so the discussion is over"!!!! LMAO, typical when you can't baffle them with BS, insult them and walk away,.. No wonder your Avatar is a petulant little boy!!

Although right of what is considered center, Thomas does not meet the threshold of a conservative. What the Hell is a "Legal Mind"? and why should we consider it important to our thinking? Your disdain for Christians reveals your core values and beliefs for all to see. To harbor disdain for any group is to harbor disdain for all groups. G.W. Bush was NOT a conservative. Even the press invented "Neo Con" because they knew better then to pass him off as a conservative. You seem to make a lot of assumptions to bolster your beliefs,.. guess you need irrational logic to support irrational beliefs.

Societal colapse does not happen all at once. It happens in stages, while some may only be suffering from financial pain, others are feeling the effects of rising crime rates, and crime rates are rising rapidly. GDP is dependent on a calculation of those who produce value vs. those who usurp from that value, hence the question. The education system, K-12 and Higher is dominated by liberals and socialists, so the quality is dependent upon thier whims, and now the Feds control student loans,... do you see any potential conflicts or problems there? A non reported nugget slipped past most when the President indicated that student loans as well as SS checks would be interupted. Think that thru for a minute,.... nice way to send campuses up in smoke is it not? Inerupt student loans and there is a ready made hoard for disruption. The masses can no longer afford basics, that is why over 50 million are now on food stamps. The middle class has to disappear in order for Socialism to establish its end goal, which is Totalitarianism. If you really believe what you defend, then you need to start looking inward a bit more at your core values. A wise man once said the following: "Man, once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without rudder, is the sport of every wind. With such persons, gullibility, which they call faith, takes the helm from the hand of reason and the mind becomes a wreck." --Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Smith, 1822 Your qickness to defend against anything outside of your individual belief is beyond reason, Cut, Cap and Balance is the answer from one side in the debate on spending. And it is a debate on spending. The federal Gov. does not have a revenue problem, it has a spending problem. Would you let a member of your family continue to spend more of what you earn, so that they can continue to be reckless in their ways? He clearly stated "appointees". But I would add. The Supreme court makeup is; 4 liberal, 3 moderate, 2 conservative. That totals 7 who think most of us need someone to tell us what is best for us.

If the GCC is able to roll out their currency before the dinar raises in value,. then we shall know! Legolas,.. What percentage of a population should be permitted to live off from the labor of others? 15%? 25%? currently it is around 41%! You do realize there is a breaking point where it all implodes right? When it does come apart, I suspect that you will still persist in your delusions of utopia while the masses are looting your home. We have left the Left vs. Right, we are now in an Up vs. Down battle. I would like to know what your thoughts are on how we will look as a Nation with Russian and Chineese "Peace Keepers" come to help us stabilize? Do you think that the UN will protect us? Or, will they be a bankruptcy administrator? The fuse has been lit and great damage will occur and many will die, the American experiment will not survive the test. Do you think, really think that we are somehow deserving of this fate?

Link "A time for choosing"Link "A time for choosing" Interesting perspective, I will add the following for consideration. The current battle is a Left and Right vs Middle paradigm. I think you would be shocked to find that there is really very little difference between those on the far left and those on the far right. Apart from a few social differences they are really the same critters and this sameness stems from their deep rooted belief that they know what is best for the rest of us and that if we would just accept that premise they could make our lives immediately better. G.W. was NOT a conservative! This is why the press labeled him a "Neo-Con". "W" was a moderate, just like Dole and McCain. I supported Clinton about 45% of the time and W about 50% of the time. The current occupant I find revolting. The war between Conservatism and Socialism has not begun, nor I fear will it ever begin. Some argue that the Financial implosion in 2008 was designed to break Capitalism,.. every indicator since that time has shown we are fast heading to the bottom of the tank, so their thoughts and analysis have credence. There have been no significant investigations into the Trillions of dollars that caused that event. Why? Isolationism is not only a national phenomenon, it is also a local one. As Air Conditioning, TV, and the Internet have tied us to our couches, we have lost contact with our community. Our children believe that their individual experience is that of their classmates and are oblivious to anything different. When this condition persists into adulthood it becomes a Normalcy Bias, and folks with this Bias refuse to believe that things could be any different then they currently are at present. There is a mountain of evidence that our world did indeed end in 2008 and we are currently coasting to a stop and with that stop there will be change. The danger of the change that is coming will slip past most until such a time that the reality of rapidly rising crime, fuel shortages, empty store shelves and starvation are upon them. Normalcy Bias's are a form of denial. On Corporations,.... I think if you dig a bit deeper you will discover that the word "Corporation" is a bogey man word. Lawyers and Laws which lead us to regulatory strangulation is the real problem. When the average among us have to have laws and regulations translated to us so that we can understand them,.. we are in deep trouble. Corporations are ruled by their legal and compliance departments. I have been in many board meetings that seem to be straight out of a Monty Python skit! My opinion of the Supreme Court is that there are 4 pure Socialists, 3 Moderates, and 2 conservatives. The 4 pure socialists believe that we would be better off under a system that employs a "Just Master", or a "Benevolent Dictator" because the system of education and information that currently exists is not capable of producing beings capable of thinking for themselves. Do we really have 3 co-equal branches of Government? Or do we have 3 co-conspiratorial branches of Government with a lapdog press? You are spot on with your disdain for the left/right paradigm. We in the middle should be looking at an Up/Down paradigm. The only way to get that in place is to turn away from the the Federal Template that is being shoved down our throats and return to local/community --> county/parish --> State Model that we were designed for. Social and fiscal issues should be left to the lowest common denomniator to establish. The Federal template is a "one size fits all" model that can only ever end in ruin. In days past if a child failed the family would determine assistance, if a family failed the community would determine assistance, if a community failed the county would determine assistance and if the county failed the State would decide. Under our current federal template, the attempt to mitigate is failure is only achievable by diminishing achievement or success. That is NOT American. Those of us who have flirted with or tasted success will quickly attest that we learn more from our failures than we learn from all other items combined. I would say that Reagan's speech called "A time for choosing" is more accurate for us here an now, then it was 40 years ago when he gave it. Link "A time for choosing" http://reagan2020.us/speeches/A_Time_for_Choosing.asp In closing, I would warn all who reads this that Change is coming, and there are few indicators to show us it will be as most expect, it would be wise of each and every one of us to have food and water put back for at least 2 weeks, longer if you can. Rising crime, escalating food prices, financial instability all are indicators that we are going to hit hard times ahead. At any given time there is only enough food in stores to last for about 72 hours. Our Grandparents had food stashed because they starved as children. If you do not need the food for an emergency, you can absorb it into daily use. If you do not have it,.... Thanks for the post topic!

Where's the Budget!?!?

The only way we can "loose" is if the GCC launches its currency before the revalue.

Ditto to all the above, and if I may add,......Allowed and it really seemed encouraged, and rewarded...

A large majority of Americans suffer from a "Normalcy Bias", the problem with this bias is that it leads directly to denail, even in the face of incontrovertible evidence or ambiguities.

No, it is not "persistence". It is psycologically coming unhinged.

Take this however you want to,.. but I think you are in serious need of professional assistance. Your posts are getting just a bit more obsessive with every new post. Please do not post for a few hours,.. and by all means get back on your meds.