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Ideologies, that can be true and contributes directly to fabricated stories of what one party is planning to do or is expected to do. Also stories of what one party generally does when in office. But all to scare voters in to their party. It causes a huge disruption in the country for the next few years. Politics destroy this nation!!! I'll only post this to remind you this trend did not start in 2008 and it's related to trade acts, and this is not party biased! NOT related to democratic or republican parties: A 2008 study from the Economic Policy Institute and the Alliance for American Manufacturing, found that between 2001 and 2007 the U.S. and New York lost 2.3 million and 127,000 jobs, respectively, due to competition from China. Over this time span, New York lost the third highest number of jobs of any state because of competition from China, with only California (325,800) and Texas (202,900) losing more. The report singles out job losses in New York’s computer and electronic products (23,018) and apparel (22,785) industries over the 2001-2007 period. With trade liberalization increasing the economic interdependence among nations, many multi-national corporations have established operations on nearly every continent. One consequence of this increased “globalization” has been increased relocation of jobs and production from the U.S. (and other developed nations) to lower-cost, often lessdeveloped foreign countries. In many cases, companies move operations closer to rapidlyexpanding consumer markets and more abundant supplies of professional and technical workers (e.g., China and India). If jobs were not offshored there would be more folks working, more money spent within our nation, more revenue for the nation and competition wouldn't be such a treat. Pretty much what Cris has stated but without party blame!!! and the jobs aren't coming back soon enough.

I'm not sure that's the picture I painted, heck I actually agree with some of Bain's practices. Corporations have a duty to its stakeholders, I won't argue that to any extent. I'm not even saying I haven't used offshore services. It simply made dollar sense when the budget was small. I don't know the answer to bringing jobs back because there's a thin-line to how it affects quality of life in the U.S. It helps in some ways and not in others.

WOW!

You have NO interpretations of the charts, I have several but I'll take Regulations and Unemployment: Well it's simple, you see what relaxed regulations got us; just a couple examples are - large financial institutions tumble, good people retirements lost, Auto Industry and more. Unemployment Rates: Rates soared in 2008. How long does it take to implement policies or I'll reword it; president policies effectively takes 1 to 3 years before it effects the economy. You're lacking interpretation. Cris I'm not looking for your opinions because they're not thought through, just heavily biased.

Sounds like a tandrum caz, an unusual for you. Why do companies offshore jobs? The obvious! What's the obvious? Offshoring did not start from your one 85 year young comments outside of the obvious. Companies seeked the world for cheap labor. Companies consistently strive to be more COMPETITIVE - and to sell more products than their competitors. It really all depends on the product and how many competitors of this product type. Labor is the largest COST. Forget the corporate taxes because quite a few paid no taxes at all. "He said the reason many companies outsource other than the obvious,is that the qualified,educated, & hungry employees are not here in the US." Well it's an insult to paint all fellow Americans as lazy and looking for handouts. No reply to the extras added... How low shall the US go? Is it the corporate tax rate or cost of labor in other countries? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/22/obama-corporate-tax-breaks_n_1293512.html Posted: 02/22/12 11:25 AM ET | Updated: 02/22/12 02:34 PM ET Obama announced a proposal Wednesday to overhaul the country's corporate tax structure. Under the terms of the new plan, the president will seek to eliminate many of the corporate tax breaks that American companies enjoy. Obama proposes lowering the top marginal corporate tax rate to 28 percent from the current 35 percent. ...many companies clock in at a level far below the official 35 percent tax rate. In a three-year span from 2008 to 2010, the nonprofit group Citizens for Tax Justice found that there were 30 companies among the Fortune 500 -- including Verizon, General Electric, Wells Fargo and Boeing -- that paid nothing in federal income tax the entire time.

Of course you're right Yota.... You misunderstood the conversation. We're talking about the reasons companies offshore jobs. Salaries/laborers are included in product cost as you stated. Salaries are the largest asset of a company. Cheaper the labor, cheaper the product, higher profits or more competitive; depends on the objective. Either higher profits or become more competitive. It's that simple. Therefore, pressing companies to bring certain jobs back too quickly will destroy them. IT jobs are the most susceptible to offshoring since the 2000's .com boom.

LOL - I've heard it all now. Big guy you have no idea.

You're NOT on point with your assessments Cris. As a matter of fact, FAR from it my man but good intentions. I've own several corps, we pay taxes because it's our duty. You don't/can't pass payroll taxes along to anyone. Raise your product price and you're out of the competitive market. Offshoring started with GATT and NAFTA types of trade agreements back in the Reagan days. Company buildings/structures on foreign soil, depending on the country, are sometimes paid for by that country. Land may even be given to the company (THIS IS TRUE). They do this to bring employment to their citizens. Salaries, in comparison, could be 15 times less than America and more. EMPLOYEES are the largest asset of ANY ANY ANY company! When Bain and Romney would purchase a company and reduce the assets for profitability, what did you think they where doing? I'm sure you know that - right. Overall, those are the reasons companies offshore - SALARIES. Not the buildings, or materials! Sweat shops? Well the less skilled jobs offshored to keep skilled jobs within the US. Those jobs deeply impact the young folks going to college and less educated people. That causes a rise in welfare programs.

Of course I'm for profits but I'm also for the people who need jobs. How can corporations bring back every single job and remain profitable or even stay above water? That doesn't compute. If they could they would. Why haven't previous administrations brought the jobs back? Ain't that simple if congress doesn't back it. But one question: How can corporations bring back every single job and remain profitable?

Don't kid yourself about outsourcing businesses/jobs overseas... was here long before Obama. You may never understand corporations. Furthermore, it goes directly against capitalism (an economic system in which industries are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state). WHY ON EARTH DO YOU BELIEVE ROMNEY WILL OR CAN MAKE THAT DRASTIC CHANGE? KNEE SLAPPER! Introduce new corporate TAX codes is a job for congress. It won't happen abruptly because it will directly harm THEIR investments. Search "Obama tax offshore companies" for suggestions put forth to congress. I don't understand why you relate every policy you don't like back to President Obama or the past 3.5 years.

Not necessarily true.

The email claims that the project will “employ 45 permanent workers … costing us just $16 million per job.” But that math is misleading. The project is expected to create 45 permanent jobs, according to figures available on the website of the Energy Department’s Loan Programs Office. But in addition to those permanent positions, the project could create as many as 600 construction jobs over a 30-month period and “more than 4,300 direct, indirect and induced jobs” throughout the country, according to Kevin Smith, the chief executive officer of SolarReserve. BTW: This was September 2011.

So much negativism and conclusions from headline readers. This 40 incites the headline followers and breeds behavior that shows a lack of good sense or judgment. Headlines get your attention, thoroughness get you facts. Broken-o-More doesn't care about the details, - headliner and rumor man - ! "I'm not really interested in links to show why things are true when the vast body of knowledge proves otherwise." How insidious can one be? Read more: But I do know that wasn't your real objective Carlos.

Yep - I think we gave him to much credit. I won't go into details . On to another topic.

Cris, the fraud Maggie is speaking of is by the machines and who runs the machine. NOTHING TO DO WITH AN ID.

Sorry GP49, I'd only repeat what I and Maggie have stated in earlier posts. You're repeating what others are saying as well. You'd be surprised of people who don't have a disposable 20 bucks or who don't use cigarettes or alcohol, or go to bars or have transportation etc....

Who are credible sources for you? Or, who do you use for credible sources?

Exactly, I don't participate either. But GP, the caller must have asked more in order for you to believe it was a liberal based call. Got it - Yes, Democrats are guilty. Thanks Cris!

I'll say it more SIMPLE; this type of fraud doesn't make a dent in a PRESIDENTIAL election. If you believe that this voter fraud has this much of an impact why isn't there some proof from the people crying fraud? Your interpretation of this whole thing is ONLY Democrats send constituents out to create voter frauds at the booths. Man I hate to dishonor you but that's a simple form of blinders. Your thinking is Nothing proves Anything unless it's derived from a camp other than - neutral, democratic, and bipartisan. Basically, you search for righteous conservative views even when there aren't any. Do you ever tune in to Hannity or Limbaugh?

If you think you have covered all scenarios to include 21 million folks then okay. One last question; Why does the Reps think they will make it more difficult on these voters and in turn - call it a win for Romney? I really peek into this site to check up on the dinar. The culture of the site is somewhat defined as conservatives but that's okay. I hope people would also keep an open-mind - some do, not many. The dinar news seem to mirror the past 2 years... We're holding on to our dinars regardless.

No problem... please ignore narrow-minded statement. You only see one-side and you believe Reps can do no wrong. Still the fact is this is political and pushed to suppress voters. Pennsylvania's new voter identification law "will allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania." So bragged State Representative Mike Turzai, Republican majority leader of the state House of Representatives, to a June 23 meeting of Republicans. His remarks - caught on video and posted widely on the internet - are a blatant admission by a leading Republican lawmaker of the real intent behind legislation, appearing in state after state, to make voting more difficult. That "voter fraud" is a fraudulent argument is confirmed by Republicans themselves. In a signed court stipulation in advance of the trial over the ACLU lawsuit, Pennsylvania's GOP attorney general admitted that "there have been no investigations or prosecutions of in-person voter fraud in Pennsylvania; and the parties do not have direct personal knowledge of any such investigations or prosecutions in other states." In Iowa, Republican Secretary of State Mike Schultz "has made it his top priority" to pass a voter ID law - an effort in which, fortunately, he has so far failed. In February Schultz promised to show "that there are cases of voter fraud in Iowa." After investigating the only three allegations of voter fraud they could even find, Schultz's office was forced to admit that none of them really amounted to voter fraud. http://www.ueunion.org/ueactionupdates.html?news=696 Enough anyway, take care.

Come on Cris, haven't you heard that the 21 million or so are considered low income, and elderly people? Who do you think they tend to vote for? Who will lose votes? And are you saying only democratic voters cheat? If so, you're being extra narrow-minded.

Undisputed, but the big problems are the machines in place along with absentee voting. The few lawbreakers, in comparison, should be prosecuted. Republicans are convinced that voter-ID laws coupled with absentee-ballot protections will cut down on fraud, and in areas like Philadelphia will lead to lower Democratic margins. The more honest among them acknowledge that the city has long been a fount of corruption, including when Republicans ran a machine that dominated it for 80 years until the 1950s. During that period, not a single Democrat was elected mayor, in part because of massive Republican-led voter fraud. All that changed after Democrats seized control of the levers of city power was that they perfected what former Democratic mayor Ed Rendell once admitted to me was “a yeasty system where the rule of law isn’t always followed.” Read more:

Maggie, well articulated, one of many different, scenarios. I can understand people finding it odd and and also too easy to get a ID but they fail to understand very valid scenarios do exist. Can't forget the U.S. has a very poor people as well and dismissing that group removes their rights. Percentages. Disregard the Brennon studies, why do you think it's a battle between Dems and Reps? Democrats know if they loose that group of voters they will have a problem during the election. Reps know that they would gain by removing these voters. No party is actually fighting for an American right but for ballot power.