NEODinar

<br /><br /><br />Well you might want to ask your god why he made your nephew ***. Just a thought, I mean as a "biblical based adult who believes in the word of god" you must know that according to you your bible, your god is all knowing, meaning regardless of free will he knew your nephew would end up ***. If your god was against homosexuality he must be schizophrenic because he sure does make a lot of them. Just sayin "Even in the animal world do you see two males or two females trying to mate. " Um yes, actually you do, homosexuality is prevalent in many non human animals. Don't let the bible fool you. And what is with all the *** censoring? What is the word "***" blasphemous now? Doesn't it also mean happy lol!

<br /><br /><br />Lol! Well guy, the seals certainly couldn't get the job done under Bush so………. .Lol! doesn't have the "stomach for it" Obama has been responsible for more terrorist captures and deaths than Bush. Read an article for once man, it might help you actually make some sense. Well you speak as if I love obama. Lol simply because I don't illogically hate him and think he's a secret Arab doesn't mean he is my "self proclaimed messiah" Since obama can't win for losing with you people what's the point of listing his accomplishments? Lol! Simply google them if you want the list. Here I'll help you out as they are too numerous to jot down. http://obamaachievements.org/list Oooh but let me guess this is all just lib propaganda right? Lol! Well you asked and so shall you receive. that's in the bible somewhere right?

<br /><br /><br />Lol! I guess you couldn't keep your panties on huh? Yeah I tend to do that to people. Thanks I will, tell your sister um I mean wife I said hi as well. Take care. ****Crossed the line one too many times NEODinar - another remark like this and I will ban you from this forum! **** Maybe a little time out will help you understand that downtown Chicago talk is not appropriate for this forum.

Yup the dems don't have a clue how to stop all the conservatives leeching off the government. Go figure.

<br /><br /><br />No argument there bamagirl, I'm extremely prejudiced against bigots and proud to say so. Disliking good people or claiming someone is "unnatural" because of how they were born is bigotry. Plain and simple. Claiming you have an issue with gays is no different than claiming you have an issue with skin color. I don't care what you think your god tells you It's ignorance at it's finest. You can be honest and open about your bigotry all you want bamagirl, I still don't respect your stance on the subject in the least and I have the right just as you to be open about that. If "open mindedness" in your opinion means respecting open bigotry because some nuts are honest about their prejudices, sorry but I'm close minded on that subject. You can be open minded and accept racism and prejudice all you want. It's a free country. <br /><br /><br />Wow, what typical god fearing response there DDS. You're so original. In likewise poorly assumed fashion I would still venture to say "living in my parents basement, drinking gatorade" is still much better than being married to my sister. I could be wrong though, you seem like a happy camper. Anyways….. Speaking of 8th grade, I suggest you work on your comprehension there friend. I never said straight couples are going to become extinct. Only that "god fearing" bigots will. It's Just a matter of time. Don't get mad at me I didn't make the rules, it's just evolution, ya know something else the bible didn't teach you. Not so sure we're outnumbered at all, if we were I seriously doubt obama would have been elected at all. The trend of religious and prejudicial ignorance is ending fast. Thats why you and others who think like you are so petrified of the "direction the country is going" You reek of fear and I suppose for good reason. Your crowd is starting to dwindle. You see yourselves inevitably becoming the vast fringe minority and this scares you terribly because you know no matter how many guns you collect you're powerless against the changing of good ol "god fearing, gun toting, anglo, straight america. As far as the government freeloaders? What, you mean all the red state conservatives who are responsible for the majority of the government "freeloading" in this country?? You mean them? They're part of your "crowd" genius just look at the statistics. if you think people who think like me are going extinct, I would suggest looking at the stats and looking at your own fears. they'll tell you all you need to know. There's a bigger world out there than the extreme conservative shelter you escape to here. As far as not wanting to respond to you, like bama perhaps you should have thought of that before you decided to open your mouth as if you had something worthwhile to spew in the first place. Keep the fear of god alive there buddy. good day.

Unfortunately Ron Paul has no chance. But please vote for him, at least then we can assure romney won't win.

Still with this obama birth certificate nonsense? Stupid can't be fixed I guess.

Swan, I think this one's hopeless. These are the same people who most likely have a problem with interracial relationships and think those are "unnatural" as well. Bigotry is bigotry, and they just love to use the good ol boy "it's a private organization" excuse to justify it. While it is their right just like any other private group, not allowing gays into their little club is no different than not allowing other minorities. This is what their "god" teaches them. It's ingrained in them. They're actually ignorant enough to believe that it's "unnatural", ironic that some people who think this way have no issue with inbreeding though. Just have to sit back and wait for evolution to weed these people out of existence. Just look at the hypocrites who complain about gays "parading" themselves around and putting their business in everyone's face, when at the same time you can't turn on your tv and not see some form of straight sexuality being "paraded" to the public. But oh no, show 2 guys or 2 women kissing and all of a sudden they're pushing their agenda on the public. The people who complain about the pride parades are the same people that complain about BET and Telemundo as if they're being disadvantaged somehow. They seem to take an issue with the minority getting recognition, while at the same time forgetting about the majority they belong to. There are no feelings of shame that have been externally put on straight people, so when any group that unfortunately has had this happen to them promotes their stance. They do it because they are tired of feeling shamed and want to show others it's ok to be themselves. straight people don't have to do this because "good christians" have never walked around with picket signs saying "god hates straight people". So they cant even relate. It is no different from other various civil rights movements. Most of these closet bigots will say things like "ya, I have nothing against them as long as they don't bring it up and mind their own business" Meanwhile they'll high five with their buddies at the local strip club admiring each others sexual conquests and fantasy wish lists putting their business out.

<br /><br /><br />It happens everywhere....The point was to point out the irony of the liberal bashing in the context of this particular case. <br /><br /><br />yep, It sure did.

5 trillion? umm no, try more along the lines of 200 billion. Lets think of who receives the most benefits in the US. Poor whites. Poor hispanics also make up another significant chunk as do poor blacks. Which states receive the most benefits? Red states. Which group makes up the majority in red states? Conservatives do. Hispanics tend to be fiercely catholic and also tend to be ver conservative. Blacks tend to be democrats. It would seem contrary to propaganda that conservatives are responsible for the majority of the people receiving welfare in this country. So all this liberal bashing is hypocrisy at it's finest. Conservatives love to bash what they need/want like the girl at the tea party rallies who collects food stamps. <br /><br /><br />Hmmm, so you take no issue with the bank bailouts and the golden parachutes that wall street guys received after they played monopoly with our money? Interesting. .

"In liberal states there is absolutely no common sense what so ever. Liberalism is a mental disorder" Hmm, didn't this happen in a red state? Just a hunch but I'm guessing this inbred assault rifle carrying psychopath wasn't a liberal. Definitely had mental disorder though. He probably just ordered 1000 rounds of ammo too. Wow.

<br /><br /><br />"NEO, Do you think taking away our 2nd Ammendment right would have prevented this... I don't" Of course not.

According to Leviticus 20:13, gays deserve death. Is it really a surprise fundie christians would have a problem with them?

<br /><br /><br />Lol! I know, these people value these plus/negs like they carry a paycheck or demotion with them. Too funny.

<br /><br /><br />Paid? Are you serious? incidents like this promote gun ownership. Some people will read stories like this and immediately go and buy 5 assault rifles, god knows why anyone would need one for personal defense, but that's besides the point. If there had been one trained carrier there this might have been prevented. Then again most establishments ban firearms so perhaps not. Gun ownership will likely never cease to exist. If gun ownership is banned all that would mean is gun fanatics would illegally own them.

http://news.yahoo.com/least-16-wounded-alabama-bar-shooting-newspaper-123737699.html

<br /><br /><br />Here;s some copied and pasted info I found..... One of the greatest needs in the world is disaster-resistant housing – houses that can hold up against hurricanes, earthquakes, fires, flooding and other natural disasters. Events like this that affect many of thousands of people seem to occur almost daily. It’s sad and painful to see so many lives lost, and so many families and homes upended. But it’s even sadder and more painful when you know most of this tragedy is preventable by using sound construction methods. Properly designed structures that can withstand natural disasters can save millions of lives and millions of structures every year. Let’s start with challenge of rebuilding after the 2004 Asian tsunami. What methods and materials would work best to rebuild the region? Ideally, the houses would be very low cost, simple to build, require few special tools or skills and be incredibly strong – preferably as strong as bunkers used by the military, but yet still meet the typical needs of families around the world. Most options are too expensive, non-sustainable, impractical or culturally inappropriate. At or near the top of the list is earthbag construction. For those who don’t know, earthbag buildings are made out of sand bags that are filled and stacked like masonry. Sand bags are also called earthbags, because they can be filled with any number of materials, including soil. They have a long history of use by the military for constructing bullet and blast resistant structures. Militaries around the world have used sand bags since the Napoleonic Wars about 250 years ago. That’s a very long record of proven performance, and sand bags are still used today because they have many desirable properties. The first sand bags were made of burlap; today they’re made out of woven polypropylene for even greater strength and durability. Sand bags (or earthbags) also have been used for many years in flood control. Millions of bags are placed around communities every year to protect against flooding. Average citizens often pitch in and work together with no training to construct barrier walls to prevent flooding. The same characteristics that make earthbags ideal for military and flood control use – strength, durability, simplicity of use, low cost – also apply to constructing houses. In addition, earthbag houses are fire resistant, non-toxic, do not attract pests and can be built to suit any climate. For instance, bags can be filled with insulation in cold climates. It’s important to note that structural details can be changed to meet specific design requirements. For instance, lower walls can be filled with gravel in flood prone areas, and reinforced to resist lateral forces of flowing water. Instead of being swept away like typical wood-framed houses, families can return to their homes after a flood, clean the house and resume their daily lives. Earthbag houses are also hurricane and tornado resistant. It’s best to use round and polygonal shapes such as hexagons and octagons when building in high wind areas. You want the wind to blow around the house instead of creating large flat surfaces where wind pressure can build up. Conical shaped roofs with minimal roof overhangs and sufficient roof tie-downs are recommended. Earthbag buildings are also earthquake resistant. The key here is working closely with engineers to develop safe designs. This is done on a case-by-case basis, taking into account local soil properties and the degree of seismic risk. Engineered plans are now available for building with earthbags in seismic areas. Precision Structural Engineering, Inc. now offers code approved earthbag plans for seismic and non-seismic regions. In addition, our website at EarthbagStructures.com provides lots of drawings and easy to understand, low cost solutions for reinforcing earthbag houses against earthquakes and other natural disasters. More testing is called for to fully document the strength of earthbag structures, but so far the results are very promising. Bryce Daigle’s testing and thesis, for example, details how earthbag walls obtain maximum compressive strengths almost 10 times as great as those typically achieved by conventional stud-frame housing in terms of load per meter of wall length. Testing Proves Earthbags Very Strong Nadir Khalili’s tests in Hesperia, California demonstrated how earthbag structures exceeded the strength of the testing equipment with no deflection or failure, and received code approval in the most dangerous level — seismic zone 4. Gaining building code approval in California, the strictest area in the world as far as building codes, speaks volumes to the inherent strength of earthbags. In addition to providing flood protection, gravel-filled earthbag foundations are being used by PAKSBAB, an NGO in Pakistan, because they are very strong in earthquakes. They conducted a shake table test at the University of Nevada, Reno, to simulate the devastating Northridge (Canoga Park) quake that occurred in California. According to their report, “the house survived 0.82g, twice the acceleration of the Canoga Park record. Although severely damaged, the building did not appear in danger of collapse, even at the end of the test sequence.” Based on the successful completion of these tests, and lessons learned from thousands of earthbag structures around the world, about a dozen groups have chosen to build with earthbags in Haiti – a country with high risk of earthquakes, floods and hurricanes. Some may wonder how this compares to building with concrete. The problem with concrete, other than being unsustainable because it’s a major contributor to global climate change, is excessive cost and difficulty in maintaining quality control. Properly built reinforced concrete structures, which can be engineered to high earthquake-resistance, are not affordable in Haiti and countless other areas around the world. So even with building codes and strong concrete designs, builders in these areas will typically find a way to circumvent codes and/or misappropriate valuable building materials. When a sack of cement costs upwards of a week’s wages, the temptation is just too great. The need for disaster-resistant housing is a growing concern as more and more people now live in areas that are vulnerable to hurricanes, earthquakes, fires and other disasters. The high population density makes any disaster that much more deadly. Also, destruction of natural habitat is exacerbating the problems as we can see with New Orleans and other areas along the Gulf coast. The trees that once provided a buffer against storms are now largely gone, and so wind and waves from hurricanes cause much more damage. This makes the need for disaster resistant structures that much more important. And, there are enormous economic implications. It’s nearly impossible to build a thriving economy when year after year large sectors of a country are destroyed. We need the political and social will to move forward on this vital issue. Now is the time to address these challenges head-on. Read more: http://www.motherearthnews.com/hands-on-and-how-to/disaster-resistant-earthbag-housing.aspx#ixzz20r5ArTHu

<br /><br /><br />oops my bad, you're right, I meant earthen homes, not specifically earthBAG homes. I'm not sure when earthBAGS began being used for home building. They're practically the same thing and the ancient earthen structures served as the inspiration for modern EB building. I already agreed with you that the home in the vid wouldn't pass code, however I'm not sold on your assessment that it would cave in any time soon either. My brother lives in the mountains in New Mexico and many of his friends have built this way with minor to zero issues. I am in no way an engineer or construction expert, but I do know that many of these homes have been passed by those who are, so whatever elements needed to make them code compliant whether it be a beam/post. sill plates etc, i'm not aware of. All I know is that inspectors wouldn't pass them if they were structurally unsafe. So again if you're interested in learning what makes them code compliant simply look it up. I gave you two sites to start from. Yeah it's true some people who like you said can't afford to or simply just choose not to research and build PROPER EB homes will have them collapse, just like people who cant afford to or research how to properly build lumber structures will collapse. You are not understanding that we are in agreement in our understanding that there is a difference between building properly and not building properly. An incorrectly built structure regardless of method will probably fail, a properly built structure regardless of method will probably not fail. Simple as that. People around the world also build lumber structures because they feel there is no other choice, doesn't mean it's a safe form of construction either, but if built properly it can be. Understand it's not the method, it's the execution that will garuantee integrity.

<br /><br /><br />U mad bro? That's a bummer if my opinion that Palin is a complete fool annoys you. We all can't agree on politics now can we? It's funny that when you spew anti obama nonsense it's not childish dribble or meant to "stir up and agitate", but when I disparage Palin ( a nobody) , uh oh, it's time to run and tell mommy because someone's not playing fair in the sandbox. Please bro, it's called a different opinion, and you've certainly thrown your fair share of stones at me, I don't take it personal but stop calling the kettle black here. A lot of your posts are anything but civil, the only reason you're championed here is because it's more than apparent that this site is filled fundamentalist conservatives so your blatantly uncivil rhetoric simply goes unnoticed, and I'm fine with that. I certainly don't care enough about your opinions to even get annoyed by you. You're simply free entertainment. You don't wan't me to respond to your posts? Fair enough by me, Take care Lol! Let the negs fly!!!

<br /><br /><br />Incorrect, I never said EB homes have been around for that long. I said that earthen built dome structures have. Many are in ancient ruins and are still standing. It was a testament to the strength and durability of the domed design. People have been building earthen homes for centuries and the technology is sound. The military has implemented this method as well. Just think about it, why would structural engineers and inspectors pass EB homes if the life span was a "few years"? That's illogical. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying ALL EB homes are structurally sound, no more so then one could say ALL traditionally framed structures are sound. As I said many people simply build these structures just to build them without consulting authorities because they are relatively easy to build. However if built correctly they are extremely resilient and eco friendly. More and more people are starting to build using these methods and more and more city officials are becoming aware of the method and jumping on board. I'm not saying you're being negative in the least, just a bit misinformed on the subject. If what you were saying were true, people wouldn't be building them, nor would many still be standing, pretty cut and dry. Here are a couple sites with a lot of great info on the subject. take care. http://calearth.org/ http://www.earthbagbuilding.com/index.htm

<br /><br /><br />They'll never learn Swan.

<br /><br /><br />That would kill any remaining chance the republicans had. How about we all have a group prayer for Romney to make that fatal mistake. . <br /><br /><br />Yeah, smart people tend to get annoyed by idiots. Apparently smart conservatives do too. Maybe we can take bets and see if she'll finally get an invite to the republican convention this year. Palin a blessing? Lol! you must of wished for obama to win the first time around then. Too funny.

<br /><br /><br />I think the same of you tex.

<br /><br /><br />Actually, the government was intended to serve it's people. Hmmm, well let's se the list of happiest countries is as follows… 1. Norway 2. Denmark 3. Finland 4. Australia 5. New Zealand 6. Sweden 7. Canada 8. Switzerland 9. Netherlands 10. US Take a guess what the top spots have in common there Mr. "current events". And It's more than obvious that america is far behind many countries in terms of health, regardless of socialist ideologies. Just look at your local state fair for further evidence on that one genius.

<br /><br /><br />I'm not familiar with hay bale building so I can't comment on that. Although you may need to buttress or add additional supports to pass code, it is not needed for structural support at all. Also since the bags can be formed into dome shapes, there is no need for traditional roofing at all. Earthbag homes built in dome shapes without additional lumber reinforcement have been standing the tests of time for centuries. there are ancient domes still standing from over a thousand years ago and the dome is universally recognized as one of if not the strongest building structures. I disagree about labor. 5 inexperienced friends can erect the framing in less than a week. No need to hire a contractor at all if one can follow basic plans and doesn't mind getting dirty. The little embodied labor needed for EB building is where one can save a lot of money plus the material costs are much lower. Cost and time are both lower than traditional methods when you're talking finished product. Also earthbag homes, when built properly are much stronger, more element resistant, and greener/more eco friendly than lumber framing. of course it all depends on one's personal objectives and goals, but *** for tat, EB is less expensive and less labor intensive for DIYers.