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The Second Amendment was Ratified to Preserve Slavery - Rebuttal I noticed the thread concerning the article ( http://truth-out.org/news/item/13890...eserve-slavery ) referencing the law journal article by Carl Bogus was locked. However, since that article is getting lots of eyeballs around the web, I thought I'd post a rebuttal... Here's the original law journal article (1998): http://www.saf.org/lawreviews/bogus2.htm This is a rebuttal: http://lawreview.byu.edu/archives/1998/4/kop.pdf (scroll down to p. 1522) There is so much that is misleading in that law journal article. One example, after reading III. THE MYTH OF AN INSURRECTIONIST RIGHT from the Bogus article, compare it to the first section here: http://www.guncite.com/gc2ndcont.html Incidentally here are some the the author's previous affiliations: VIOLENCE POLICY CENTER, Washington, DC National Advisory Panel, 1993-Present. HANDGUN CONTROL, INC., Washington, DC Board of Gov., 1992-93, Board of Directors, 1987-89. THE CENTER TO PREVENT HANDGUN VIOLENCE, Washington, DC Board of Directors, 1989-92. http://www.law.gwu.edu/SiteCollectio...Carl_Bogus.pdf Funny how this article: http://truth-out.org/news/item/13890...eserve-slavery fails to mention those affiliations. If some law journal article was penned by a former NRA board member, I think it'd be a different story.

You know, I think it was the State Theater, so maybe it was 1973. Either way...he was and still is awesome. I saw him at the Guthrie a couple of years ago, and he is as great as ever.

I was there, too, Moose. I'll never forget it. Absolutely awesome.

So have unions caused the loss of jobs in America or could it be something else? Facts about outsourcing - http://www.americanp...as-outsourcing/ Do unions spend more on lobbying than corporations? Top 20 PACS- http://www.opensecre...le=2012&party=A Top Super PACS - http://www.opensecre....php?cycle=2012 Top Lobbying spenders - http://www.opensecre...php?indexType=s Maybe part of the answer is here? Defense spending by nations - http://www.globalfir...ding-budget.asp Really… what president has spent the most? Which president has spent the most - http://www.policymic...tory-yes-and-no American’s pay fewer taxes presently than in the 1980’s so why then has not the economy turned around, if lower taxes and job growth correlated to each other? http://www.alternet....or-get-no-break http://seattletimes....taxworld12.html Americas race to the bottom http://www.consortiu...11/030311a.html http://www.regressiveantidote.net/Articles/America's_Race_To_The_Bottom.html And the Unions are so powerful they had the resources to stop all the above.

Do Illegal Immigrants Pay Taxes? February 28, 2011 Illegal immigrants pay into Social Security via automatic payroll deductions, but they can never claim Social Security benefits because they are here illegally and because their Social Security numbers are fake. It’s estimated that undocumented immigrants pay about $7 billion per year in Social Security taxes that they will never be able to reclaim. http://roygermano.wo...ants-pay-taxes/ http://usliberals.ab...legalImmi_4.htm Illegal immigrants on welfare: fact or fiction? It’s actually a myth, according to the Congressional Research Service, the investigative arm of Congress. This point is highlighted as one of the “top five immigration myths of the campaign season,” a list put out by the American Immigration Lawyers Association. http://blog.chron.co...act-or-fiction/

MYTHS AND MISINFORMATION ABOUT SOCIAL SECURITY http://www.ssa.gov/h...ernetMyths.html part 1 http://www.ssa.gov/h...rnetMyths2.html part 2

By:Mark Roberts from World TradeCenter Building 7 and the Lies of the 9/11 “Truth Movement” I recently kept track of NY911 truth’s statements at Ground Zero over a 3 ½ hour period. During that time I didn’t hear any of the 10 of them make a single true claim to the public. Recently they spent an hour arguing with an Air Force morgue technician who processed the remains from the Pentagon. Remember, this group claims that there were no remains of flight 77 passengers at the Pentagon, because that plane never crashed there. It takes a special kind of person to make that argument to the face of someone who personally handled those charred remains. Abby Scott and Ray Rivera made a funny video based on some of the seen counters, which captures a bit of the lunacy of the “Truthers:” http://tinyurl.com/jrhk8. When I’m around the Truthers I often have the refrain of the old song “She’s More to be Pitied Than Censured” running around in my head: She is more to be pitied than censured, She is more to be helped than despised. She is only a lassie who ventured On life's stormy path, ill-advised. Then I snap out of it and remember that these people give absolution to terrorists while accusing innocent people of mass murder, all without a shred of evidence. And they do this at Ground Zero.They are the most delusional people I have ever met, and their delusions are dangerous. http://www.911myths....itiqueMay06.pdf http://www.jod911.com/ - Peer-Reviewed Papers

Ok..we agree on a couple of ideas and this is one of them. It is called "Friendly Fascism"...

That was good. What happens if you are correct? At my age I would die of a heart attack...hate getting my hopes up. Oh well back to the ginseng garden.

Abraham Lincoln also stated, “The ballot is stronger than the bullet”. You will find, The Declaration ofIndependence, Bill of Rights, The U.S. Constitution, Amendments to the Constitution,The Federalist Papers and Anti-federalist papers here: http://www.foundingf...rs/fedindex.htm The part we are talking about is in: The Declaration of Independence,which starts: “WHEN in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another,and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation”. (This pertains to the U.S. separation from England)….“But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government,and to provide new guards for their future security. Such has been the patien tsufferance of these colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, al lhaving in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world”. To Prove, The Declaration of Independence, the Founding Fathers had to announce it “to a candid world”. Our founding father while writing the Constitution wrote papers called, The Federalist Papers,written and published in newspapers explaining the reasons for New York State voters to ratify the Constitution. Federalist Paper 9 and 10 fully explains the process for: The Union as a Safeguard against Domestic Faction and Insurrection. Federalist paper 10 is one of the most studied of the Federalist Papers. Our courts still reference the federalist papers for clarification and meaning of the Constitution. Sorry for that…my fault. I should have explained the context of Lincoln’s quote better.

Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable - a most sacred right - a right, which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world. Abraham Lincoln I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth,they can be depended upon to meet any national crisis. The great point is to bring them the real facts. Abraham Lincoln These capitalists generally act harmoniously and inconcert, to fleece the people. Abraham Lincoln Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all. Abraham Lincoln

Yes; and it was a very sad day for Americans when the Patriot Act passed. I am a Ron Paul supporter. So to set a judgement upon one for Ideas on a different subject is not a wise thing to do. Have you read Noam Chomsky yet? If one reads Chomsky does that mean that reader fully believes in all of what Chomsky advocates? Certainly not...when one wants to understand an opponent's point of view it is a good idea to read their opposing view. Like Patton read Rommel’s books on warfare to better understand what ons is up against. So does that make Patton aNazi?

If it matters coming from an old man… keep you are good at argumentative writing, entertaining in style, well studied and highly intelligent. But most of all your defensive of the truth is inspiring. Makes old man laugh. I hope all your dreams come true and with the different styles of writing I see you use I can tell you will be a good father.

You probably its still think Bush's fault weare heading into another recession, don't you? Well that is a well written sentence. No; the recession is multi-faceted in nature and whose fault it is very complex to pin the fault on anyone person. Oh, let's see, you understand your"constitutional" rights too. Ok, is this a question or statement? Hmm...maybe trick question? We have no constitutional rights. When did that happen? Enlighten me please. You would rather bash anyone that challengesyour fantasy world of honest government, ethical politicians, and the bo is themessiah message. I do believe I never said that governments or any government are always honest or ethical. But this sentence above also needs a little work. I do not call it bashing how can I say this?…to provisional. Argumentative is better. And to think, of thousands of military puttheir lives on the line every day just so you can drink your koolaid. Well this really got me thinking, how anyone can make an assumption about my respect for the military by me having different ideas other than your own. You probably also believethe KKK is from the right, and don't accept they were formed by the dems. Well…I will be gosh darn on that there sentence…you fooled me <br style="mso-special-character: line-break;"><br style="mso-special-character: line-break;"> I am 56 years old and do not have much time to mature.

I am very very sorry sirus I did not fully understand until this post of yours that you are that bad off; mentally I mean... and no pill will fix what you have. I am sorry. chas32

I have been in “this” before Loose Change hit the internet. I have been in Vegas and California (my daughter lives in Cal). In Vegas and Pittsburg we met with Firemen from 9-11, not one of them thought any conspricay took place. I have been to meeting and seminars about 9-11 put on by the Truth Movement. I have been trained in metallurgy, welding and working with different metals. Was on a design team that designed the UAW-Ford MnSCU Training Center in St. Paul. I have met and work with many colleges and universities deans, presidents and government officials including the Fire Marshall of St. Paul. I will not go into my other degrees and education as it is really has no bearing on the subject matter. Your assumptions are wrong about me as most of your other wild guesses on what happen on the day of 9-11. The more you write the more you prove you ignorance with that, there is this: How do win an argument with someone who is-----? Why bother? What’s the point of winning an argument with an ------ person? It’s like winning a marathon against someone with no limbs. At least give (cite) credit to what others have posted on the interent and try not to put on the air that the posts are your own words. I am really sorry if I go over your level understanding... really. “9/11 Truth” Conspiracies Debunked, Part Four By spyderblog Thermite andThermate Nano Thermite: the“scientific paper” which is mentioned by 9/11 conspiracists is actually a OpenAccess website, which bills itself as a scientific journal. The very fact thatthis “scientific paper” has not been quoted in any other science journaldoesn’t bode well for its accuracy. The OA journal, mentioned in a previousblog, is never quoted by other science journals. In the scientific community,if your paper doesn’t get read, it has no value. If it doesn’t get quoted byother researchers, it is pointless to publish there in the first place. The bighue and cry over this paper is that it tells conspiracists what they want tohear. Never mind all the scientists and engineers who present findings to thecontrary, this one paper is all they want to hear about. Thermite was used bythe cleanup crews to remove the large metal pieces of the structures that couldnot be removed as a whole pice. The claim that thermite brought the towers downis not backed-up by survivors, who would have seen thermite burning, as well asthe large amount of smoke. Thermateresidue: okay,thermite-theorists say that residue from thermite was found on-site, ergothermite was used. It goes like this: if A, B, C, and D are all components ofX, then X was definitely present. This may be true only if A,B,C and D couldcome from no other source. Let’s go through what the components of thermitewould be and see if there could have been other sources from the WTC site. Thermate ingrediantsand their likely sources from WTC: iron: found in paint and electronic devices; sulphur: the third most common construction material in the WTC was gypsum-based drywall, which is 18.62% sulphur. aluminum: WTC facade, the 767s and vehicles; potassium: used in concrete; manganese: used in structural steel, paint, batteries and ceramics; flourine: used in Freon and 200,000 lbs of Freon cooled the WTC complex, which was the largest air-conditioning system in the USA; titanium: used in paper and paint, which were very common at the WTC. Both 767s used in the attacks were 2% titanium and WTC7 was clad in polished steel and titanium; So, all sevenitems from this list were already common at the WTC site prior to theattacks. About 2 billionpounds of dust covered Lower Manhatten after 9/11. Steven Jones, one of theauthors of the “study” estimated that it would have taken 1000 pounds ofthermate to bring down each tower, for a total of 3000 pounds of thermate.Since thermate is 2% sulphur. that means 60 pounds of sulphur would be used.Based on Jones’ estimates, the WTC dust would have consisted of 0.000003%sulphur. But, USGC tests showed that the dust consisted of 5.4% sulphur. Wheredid all that extra sulphur come from? Okay, if youassume that thermate was used to bring down the towers, then a good way to makethat conclusion would be to find the residue of thermate in the WTC dust. Thisresidue is only caused by the use of thermate and there would be noother way to explain its presence. The two main byproducts of thermate useare: aluminum oxide (41%) barium nitrate (29%) What shootsdownthe idea that thermate was used to bring down the towers is that neither ofthese elements was found either by the USGS or by Steven Jones himself. Findingaluminum is not the same as finding aluminum oxide, which has three oxygenatoms. So, while wecan find all seven component elements of thermate at the WTC site, we caneasily explain their presence. However, 9/11 Truthers cannot explain theabsence of the residue of thermate use at the site. If they could not findaluminum oxide and barium nitrate at the WTC site, then no thermate useoccurred. It would be impossible to use thermate to bringdown the WTC towerswithout leaving traces of these two elements. Lack ofaluminum oxide + lack of barium nitrate = no thermate used at WTC.

HopefulTxn I was studying the philosophical reasons why some believe in unsubstantiated facts or cannot understand when an article is not supported by the links provided for that article. Some of my reasoning on this subject are in later posts I have made. But the one I found the most amusing and yet very helpfulwas this little answer to a question I had: How do win an argument with someone who is -----? Why bother? What’s the point of winning an argument withan ------ person? It’s like winning a marathon against someone with no limbs. Maybe harsh words but so will be the news in the future that the Dinar investment was not at all like what was/has been presented to a hopeful community of good people believing that they have made a good choice in investing in the Dinar. Millions over Bagdad about two years was proven to be a mixture of unrelated links that some blog sites posted and added in their words to change the actual meaning of Millions over Bagdad. I guess the person/persons involved in this article believe others would not read what was included in the links because some of the links are very long. Sometime accepting a truth hurts and can deeply effects the dreams and hopes of all people that believe someday I will get my just reward in this life, and with me this was also true. The actual APA standard for using a link from the internet would require the paper to submit 3 citations form 3 different internet sites to use that as valid quote/ citation.

I agree with you. Thanks for the post.

That was good...really you are correct. Thanks

If in your own mind you believe you are the many, it is ok, if it makes you feel better. The links you provided me are your own links that prove this is not the case. Why then is there in fighting in the Truth Movement? So if you cannot debate using your own words and cannot explain how the many is in between 10,000 – 50,000 signed petioners, it is kind of like pissing in the wind and wondering why you are getting wet. http://truthjihadrad...h-movement.html. Because the Truth Movement is divided into many parts and the many parts are divided on how to attain there stated goals: The medical fields wants answers about the dust contaminates at ground Zero to be better prepared for future events like 9-11, the fire fighters want to make for sure Congress keeps its promise to the fire fighters and to study if any thermite was used and accelerants. There are those within the Truth Movement who want to understand how our government could have completely failed on protecting Americans on 9-11. Others simply do not understand anything about 9-11 and want a better explanation of 9-11. As others want the terrorist brought to justice and even some of the Truth Movement want Bush’s government investigated.These petition and inquiries in themselves does not prove anything other than people want to reopen the 9-11 narrative for further investigation. Even David Griffin (Dr. of Philosophy) is backing down on his ideas of what the terrorist conspiracy means as stated in his debate with Matt Taibbi. http://www.alternet.org/story/100688/the_ultimate_9_11_'truth'_showdown:_david_ray_griffin_vs._matt_taibbi/?page=2. Questions are not facts as explained in this paper; http://www.911myths....itiqueMay06.pdf; And if that document is old that does not render it less significant as beingless true, if people still use questions based as facts. Any theory put forth how the towers came down by controlled demolition are unrealistic for example; “all the tiles were sprayed with thermite paint”, by John Hoffman,http://911research.w...g_scenario.htmlPosted at http://911research.w...s/thermite.html What do 3 million views mean, did you interview all 3 million to ask about their thoughts on 9-11? Even the video you posted uses questions that try use a question as a fact. You do not understand the meaning of a scientific paper, peer review paper,how to write an argumentative paper, and the math used in the collapse of thetowers. But then state I am losing a debate on a web site that is based on belief rather than facts. Than proceed to discuss your plans on a pm and have your cronies use responses like knuckle heads.

Is the Truth Movement Losing Steam? http://www.wagingpea...ell_911.pdfpage Page 11- current article The Truth About Charlie Sheen & Loose Change http://www.prisonpla...haboutsheen.htm So an estimated 30,000 to 50,000 signatures on a petition to reopen the 9-11 investigation is considered gaining steam? Or is the figure at 13,091? http://www.ae911trut...l-u-campus.html A short history on the “noplanes on 9-11” hoax http://www.oilempire.us/bogus.html Betraying Our Trust- fromfire fighters of 9-11 Firefightersfor911truth.org’scall to action is wrapped in phony patriotic blather and emotional rhetoricreplete with a revelation referring to Mr. Lawyer’s recent “awakening.” I, forone, would prefer that he simply stayed asleep. When I read such sentences as“Now I am asking FOR YOUR HELP TO SAVE OUR BROTHERS, SISTERS, AND OURCOUNTRY!”, I begin to wonder about the motivation of such people, ten yearsafter 9/11. http://theintelhub.c...eading-message/ http://firegeezer.co...ment-part-four/ http://firegeezer.co...ent-part-three/ All 3 above articles printed in July of 2011.

Please Take NoticeThat: On Behalf of thePeople of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects &Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, atruly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover thefull truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 – specifically the collapse of theWorld Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe there is sufficient doubtabout the official story to justify re-opening the 9/11 investigation. The newinvestigation must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosivesthat might have been the actual cause of the destruction of the World TradeCenter Twin Towers and Building 7. We, the undersigned, demand the following: 1) A truly independent investigation with Subpoenaand Contempt Powers to uncover the complete truth of the events related to9/11/2001 - specifically the collapse of WTC Tower 7 and the possibility ofexplosive demolition. 2) The investigation to follow the National Standards so clearly outlined inthe National Fire Protection Association guidelines, specifically, NFPA 921 toinclude thorough analysis of the steel for the presence of "exoticaccelerants." 3) Congress to honor the promises made to the rescue workers of 9/11 by passingthe James Zadroga 9/11 Health and Compensation Act of 2008. 4) Prosecution of all individuals willfully involved in the planning, andexecution of the murders committed on September 11, 2001. 5) Prosecution of all individuals willfully involved in the Obstruction ofJustice and Destruction of Evidence surrounding the events of September 11,2001. Sincerely, The Undersigned Again the word possible is used but this petitionasked for the, “We, the undersigned, demand the following: Congress to honorthe promises made to the rescue workers of 9/11 by passing the James Zadroga9/11 Health and Compensation Act of 2008. Lines 4 and 5 are asking for prosecution ofall or willing participants or individuals…no mention what individual orwilling participant’s means. Still no proof of your theory, and we should notforget and help the fireman, police or any other 1st responders of9-11. It seems most links are about 4 years old or areasking “reinvestigation of theterrorist acts of 9/11." Architectsand Engineers for 9/11 Truth, Pilots for9/11 Truth, Firefightersfor 9/11 Truth, and Lawyers for9/11 Truth, and millions of individualcitizens in demanding a thorough, impartial, open and transparentreinvestigation of the terrorist acts of 9/11." Or “Actors and Artists for 911 Truth is comprisedof creative professionals working in a variety of mediums, who endorse apetition in support of an open and independent investigation into the events ofSeptember 11, 2001. While we cannot claim to understand the full truth behindthe complex and carefully orchestrated 9/11 attacks, we are certain that theofficial 9/11 Commission Report failed to honestly answer or adequately addressmany significant questions. We created AA911 with the aim of inspiringconscientious citizens worldwide to carefully reconsider the events of 9/11with fresh eyes and open minds.” They claim not to understand the events of 9-11,but want “fresh eyes and open minds”, and are certain, “that the official 9-11 CommissionReport failed to honestly answer…” Your point with all the links is what? Citizensin America want to re-open the investigation of the events of 9-11? That is a reasonablerequest. But again that is not proving what you believe is a truth or evencorrect. It just proves that there are Americans who want a better explanationof the events of 9-11 which they call “terrorist acts” and for the governmentto keep their promises torescue workers. And or there couldhave been use of “thermite” and “accelerant”. Do you understand that sulfur isin sheetrock and matches closely to thermite that has been burnt? Your arrogance is blinding by saying I should domore research. When in fact anyone can cut and paste; stand on their soap boxand spill nothing out of their mouth and then have gull to call it facts. You cannotanswer what level of licensure the terrorist pilots had, you do not understandanything Chomsky said or for that matter the math on the towers falling. Yousir make my day, that anyone would believe your tripe; it makes me laugh. “Sheep”that was funny… Thanks good post.

Who is Jesse Richard? Well I guess you can become a journalist in 15 minutes: http://tvnewslies.or...commentary.html Or this very enlightening thought by Jesse: Note to the myth huggers: I have no polite way to say this but after 10 years without real answers ithas to be said...I say this to the myth huggers...shut the hell up already.Nobody as asking you a damn thing. The answers should be coming from the people who originally provided the myth and to the people towards whom the evidence points...and sorry...but those people for the most part are Americans and they were running our country on September 11th 2001. If they gave us answers that made sense or matched the evidence, nobody would be asking for your two cents and in reality, nobody is. SO STOP ANSWERING, WE DON'T GIVE ADAMN WHAT YOU THINK! Think about it. Jesse Richard - Founder, TvNewsLIES.org The above is an old trick that does match,“True ideas are those we can assimilate, validate,corroborate and verify. False ideas are those we cannot” William James. Jesseis not a trained structural engineer, but I guess we should believe him and his no peer reviewed papers. Or you can donate to his sight http://tvnewslies.or...ate/offLine.php You have reached the TvNewsLIES donations page. If you are looking for DVDs, books,etc. you have reached the correct place. PLEASE CHECK BACK SHORTLY!

There are others too that have your belief, even liberal Noam Chosmky. All the people who would have to be involved in order to pull this massive conspiracy off... -The Bush Administration, who failed at everything they ever did. Yet all of them and the people below are helping him cover up the largest mass murder in US history... Some of them like Richard Clarke and Paul O'Neil have come out for less. -The NYC Fire fighters who know more about building collapses than most, if not all, of them. It's their LIFE to know. Literally! Yet they don't call for an investigation into the MASS MURDER of over 300 of their brothers... Why? (The twisting of these peoples’ statements for donations and DVD sales sickens me.) We have uncovered the myth about a gag order imposed on all fire fighters. Only 9/11 conspiracy sites say this. ONE person who sued Bush for not taking action before the event is ordered by the court not to speak to the media about the case. This is not imposing a gag order on the whole fire department as some of these sites claim. They are lying to cover up this mass murder by the government or the building owner. Why? They don't even know... Conspiracy theorists bring up an article in Fire House magazine which says the fire department wanted to stop the steel from being sold in order to test the fire proofing and other non-bomb/controlled demolition related investigations. They twist the article’s context to make it seem like the firefighters questioned the idea that fire brought down the towers. http://fe.pennnet.co...ay.cfm?Section= OnlineArticles&SubSe%20ction=Display&PUBLICATION_ID= 25&ARTICLE_ID=131225 http://fe.pennnet.co...OnlineArticles& SubSection=Display&PUBLICATION_ID=25&ARTICLE_ID=130026 Many of these men and women come from the military, yet we are to believe they are so afraid they rather die in the government’s next mass murder than come out and expose this. -The courts for imposing a gag order [sEE above] -The NYC Police department who lost over 20 lives. They didn't ask for an investigation. Motive? None... -The NYC port Authority who lost personnel. Motive? -All the people in the Pentagon who have not called for an investigation. Many who are liberal and centrist. They did or said nothing while people supposedly trucked in airplane parts to cover the crime. Why? Again, no answer... -The more than 1,600 widows and widowers of 9/11 who would rather have investigations of the decisions which led to the terrorist getting away with this. They don't want to waste time investigating the mass murder of their loved ones. Even the Jersey Girls. Why? They say it's the money... [note: Whenever killing someone, pay off the relative. They won’t say anything.] -The media (This one I almost believe) who doesn't follow up on the biggest mass murder and conspiracy in American history. It seems no one wants a Nobel prize for journalism. Not only the American media but foreign press like the BBC and Al Jazeera. Why? No answer here either... -The photographers from around the world who took pictures of the towers which clearly show bowing of the perimeter columns. These photos support the NIST hypothesis that the sagging trusses lead to the collapse. Some photos also show the core intact shortly after collapse which also not only support the NIST hypothesis but discredits the "Controlled demolition" account. -Popular Mechanics who debunked these sites are also helping Bush commit the biggest mass murder in history. http://www.popularme...se/1227842.html -PBS Nova since they created a documentary explaining in detail how and why the buildings fell. None of it said bomb. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/ -Everyone in the NIST who covers up the largest mass murder in US history. This independent organization doesn't have a moral person in hundreds of employees because not one has come out exposing this so called "Conspiracy". In fact, the hundreds of scientist who signed onto the report are willing to not only lie for Bush but cover up the largest mass murder in American history. Some suggest only a handful can do the job but that's simply impossible. The team in charge of the computer modeling has to be in sync with the team of structural engineers and so on. There are hundreds involved in this investigation and every team has to work with other teams using the same evidence and specifications. -NY Governor Pataki because he sold steel from the WTC for the construction of the USS New York. If the argument is the government sold the steel in order to cover up the crime then Pataki is one of the criminals. -The NY city scrap yards because they also sold steel to China before all of it was tested. Bush would have needed to call them up and tell them to sell it before they could have investigated every beam. A task which would have taken years and years not to mention millions more. Ironically the republican Mayor Bloomberg could not be involved since he asked the scrap yards not to sell the steel on behalf of the firefighters. -EVERY STRUCTURAL ENGINEER IN THE WORLD who doesn't write a paper for a mainstream peer reviewed journal saying the towers were brought down and could not have fallen due to fire. If laymen can prove things just by looking at videos and reading interviews out of context, then all those structural engineers MUST be working for Bush right? Even the ones in other countries. Why? The answer they give is that the engineers don't know about Jones’ work. So in all this time no one has e-mailed Jones' work to any structural engineer? -Structure Magazine who published a report saying the collapse of WTC 7 may have been due to one column failing. -The liberals who don't believe the towers were brought down. (Like me) They're helping a neo-con cover-up the largest mass murder in this nation’s history. Why? No clue... -The CIA -The FBI -FEMA -The American Society of Civil Engineers who have produced peer reviewed papers showing how what Conspiracy Theorists say is impossible is possible. -NORAD -The FAA who saw planes which conspiracy theorists say never existed. -The Silverstein Group who they say got together with Bush to blow up the building for insurance money. -Silverstein's Insurance Company who didn't question the collapse and paid out over 2 billion to Silverstein. Why? Conspiracy Theorists say the insurance company just wants to pass on the bill to the public but they already fought Silverstein in a number of law suits concerning the amount. -American Airlines (Pentagon) -United Airlines (Pentagon) -Logan, Newark and Dulles Airport for losing the planes -Scientists and engineers who developed the remote control plane technology -Installers of the remote control devices in the planes (Pentagon) -Remote controllers of the planes (Pentagon) -Scientists and engineers who developed the new demolition technology and carried out practical tests and computer models to make sure it would work. -Installers of the demolitions devices in the three buildings -People who worked at the company(s) the installers used as cover -Airphone etc employees who said they got calls from passengers (Pentagon) -Faux friends and relatives of the faux passengers or just the faux relatives who claim to have been called by their loved ones or just the psyops who fooled relatives into thinking they really were their loved ones. (Pentagon) -People who detonated the buildings" -anyone who thinks the conspiracy is a diversion to take liberal activist focus off of real crimes. Even conspiracies with a few people are doomed. Look at Enron and Watergate. The more people you involve, the more likely the conspiracy will fall apart. The amount of people needed for this conspiracy could fill one of the towers. It's absurd to think this many people could keep a mass murder for Bush secret for this long. Absurd... Update: A common excuse for no one coming out who was part of this so called 9/11 conspiracy is they fear death. If you analyze the argument carefully you realize they are debunking themselves. Why would even people in the military be more fearful of exposing this than the common conspiracy theorists behind a computer monitor? Either they don't believe what they're saying or they actually think they are more fearless than the thousands of others who would have had to be "in on it". As if people in the CIA or FBI couldn't figure out how to get the message out if they wanted to without exposing who they are. People, dates, places, memos and other evidence could easily be disseminated to the public without exposing who they are. The only reason they claim the people are paralyzed with fear is because they have too in order for the conspiracy story to work. Noam Chomsky on 9/11 Conspiracy theories Update: More from Noam Chomsky "...I am not persuaded by the assumption that much documentation and other evidence has been uncovered. To determine that, we'd have to investigate the alleged evidence. Take, say, the physical evidence. There are ways to assess that: submit it to specialists -- of whom there are thousands -- who have the requisite background in civil-mechanical engineering, materials science, building construction, etc., for review and analysis; and one cannot gain the required knowledge by surfing the internet. In fact, that's been done, by the professional association of civil engineers. Or, take the course pursued by anyone who thinks they have made a genuine discovery: submit it to a serious journal for peer review and publication. To my knowledge, there isn't a single submission." "I think this reaches the heart of the matter. One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work. How do you personally set priorities? That's of course up to you. I've explained my priorities often, in print as well as elsewhere, but we have to make our own judgments." "...I don't see any reason to accept the presuppositions. As for the consequences, in one of my first interviews after 9/11 I pointed out the obvious: every power system in the world was going to exploit it for its own interests: the Russians in Chechnya, China against the Uighurs, Israel in the occupied territories,... etc., and states would exploit the opportunity to control their own populations more fully through "prevention of terrorism acts" and the like. By the "who gains" argument, every power system in the world could be assigned responsibility for 9/11." "I think the Bush administration would have had to be utterly insane to try anything like what is alleged, for their own narrow interests, and do not think that serious evidence has been provided to support claims about actions that would not only be outlandish, for their own interests, but that have no remote historical parallel. The effects, however, are all too clear, namely, what I just mentioned: diverting activism and commitment away from the very serious ongoing crimes of state." http://blog.zmag.org/node/2779

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