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Enoch’s response (CR post at cXc): Dinar Recaps 9/19/11

September 19th, 2011 07:55 am

Enoch’s response

Re: !% Adviser to the Prime Minister for Economic Affairs Calls to Rearrange the File of the Iraqi Economy %!

Post Enoch8 Today at 1:41 pm

Looks like the overall sense of this, might be simply put, that the economy and inflation has nothing to do with the amount of Dinars in circulation, but that dollarization and the peg to an inflating USD is largely the problem.

One main point is to consider…. at 1170 with 30 Trillion IQD (as reported by CBI), that is only about $26 Billion Dollars worth of currency.

Iraq possesses, (according to their own records and IMF), only about 20% of that total, roughly speaking, about 7 Trillion IQD and about 23 Trillion is not held by or even own by Iraqis….. and about 80% of their economy is based on USD and other currencies.

It was reported by CBI , that this practice is costing about 8% of the GDP, due to a non recognized National Currency….. largely caused by the costs to convert to other currencies….. and that might not include additional accounting inconveniences, due to the low value and number of zeros.

It is obvious, that there are 4 main things that need to happen to solve this problem.

1. The Currency has to be tradable internationally, so the costs of import and exporting non oil goods is not draining 8% of the GDP, which is inflationary, all by itself.

2. GOI policies that were based on ‘Nationalization’ and Government Regulatory practices of the former regime, that are oppressive to the private sector…. meaning the Revolutionary Command Counsel Laws….. must be repealed…. (which they are actively doing, BTW).

3. The prices of goods must be decreased and the National Currency value must be increased.

4. The use of USD and Euro internally, in the markets, is inflationary and is currency manipulation, which all by itself holds the people in poverty.

Now….. here are the problems to solve.

The Basis years of Iraq, are represented by the last fair representation of an average Iraq economy, according to the Ministry of Planning Feasibility Studies….. was 1988….. which is a fair assessment of the last year of a healthy economy, before the Saddam restrictions destroyed the economy.

This year seems to reflect the health of the economy, in the prior years.

In those years, the amount of IQD in circulation was about 25 Billion IQD and the country held most of that, value in either IQD or Petro Dollar wealth.

The Rate was $3.22 against the USD and the overall value of the Money Base, was about $80 Billion US.

Oil was only about $15 Per Barrel.

Today, there are 30 Trillion IQD and even IF Iraq held all of that and dedollarized, the value of the Money Base, at 1170 IQD per 1 US, is only about $26 Billion US.

That is only about 30% of the value of the Money Base of 1988, while the price of a barrel of oil is about $90 Per Barrel, (6 times higher than the prices of 1988.)

Note: The Inflation index from that day is shown by MOP and CBI to be about 630%, so the cost of oil is a very good representation of this number….. which is 600%….. only 30% difference.

The population has increased in that time, by about 35%.

So….. here is a way to add up what the actual Money Base would have to be valued at, today, compared to the $80 Billion US value of IQD in 1988, just to maintain the status quo of those days.

Here is how you figure it.

$80 Billion x 1.35 reflects the population increase and therefore demand:

That is $108 Billion US value of needed IQD.

$108 Billion x 630% (108 x 6.3) = $680.4 Billion USD value of the IQD Money Base.

There are only $26 Billion in existence, at 1170, so divide 680.4 by 26 = 26.167.

That means, simply put, that even without considering the fact that there is currently about 2 to 5 times the world demand on IQD (even as an exotic currency), that there was back then….. and the fact that if Iraq is able to hold a sustainable value, there would be many times that demand in the combined factors of demand, by Forex, International Treasuries and Corporations, to hold as Internationa Reserve Currency….. and estimates of that could be 5 to 10 times the current demand.

OK….. let me simplify this a bit.

If they were to simply Redenominate (IE LOP), they would only have a value of 30 Billion IQD at .86, which is only about a $26 Billion US, in IQD Money Money Base value, which is 26.167 times under value, (without factoring additional international demand of as much as 10 to 50 times that demand.

What this shows, is that just in Iraq alone, the demand (just to maintain the status quo), is to have 26.167 times the current value or 26.167 times the amount of currency in circulation….. in Iraq….. not including international demand.

So….. here is a perfect example of what this shows us.

Let us say they do what Turkey, France, Venezuela or Nigeria did…. and just Redenominate.

They would have to either print up 26.167 times as many notes in smaller denominations…. (which is totally absurd…), or they would have to also revalue 30 Billion IQD to 26.167 times the rate of (.00086 x 1000) = $.86 and times that by 26.167 as the exchange rate.

That is $22.50 US per 1 Iraq Dinar.

Now that is just preposterous.

That would still only meet the needs of only Iraq….. not considering international demand added….and still only to meet the status quo of today’s existing levels of poverty.

That is just absurd to even consider as being viable….. because without a policy change…. they would suffer continued dollarization, multi currency practices…. and the identical inflationary pressures…. as they have now, without solving a thing….. and would have to do it all over again in 10 years.

Now….. here is one other thing I did not mention. Iraqi average incomes are only about 10 to 20% of their closest neighbors and competitive oil producing nations…… so let us continue this to show what the viable alternative would be to Redenomination.

So far we have shown that just Iraq…. to maintain a level of $4000 per year income averages, would need to have a Monetary Base in IQD value, of roughly $680 Billion which is 26.167 times larger than what exists now.

BUT!!!

Consider that very conservatively, the average Iraqi income would increase to just double in the next 3 to 5 years.

That creates a demand of 1.26 Trillion IQD valued at just $1.00 US.

We have already established, that there is already a demand in the world markets of 5 times that, (even before it is even an international reserve currency.)

That tells us, that there would be a need to have about 6.3 Trillion IQD, currently, if the Value was only $1.00 US.

If it RVs….. we also know…. the goal is to become an international reserve currency…. which would place additional demands of as much as 5 to 10 times that.

Since we are sticking with the conservative numbers…. let’s use the smaller number.

6.3 x 5 times additional demand….. = 31.5 Trillion IQD valued at just $1.00 per IQD.

Now…. watch!!!

What was the latest numbers CBI has been reporting, exists in IQD in circulation?

Some have said 30 Trillion and others said about 31 Trillion. CBI is projecting, there would need to be 70 Trillion IQD at the current Exchange Rate within the next 3 to 5 years if nothing is done.

So…… are you getting this? Do you see what this is showing?

You are not getting the full picture from CBI, GOI or the media.

They for a 100% certainty, cannot Redenominate. without increasing the value at least 1000 times…. and would still have to have the existing amount of dinar in circulation….. even at $1.00 .

Do you see?

The economists are basically saying, there is more to it, than simply removal of zeros. That would destroy the economy if they did not replace every single dinar removed from circulation, with another.

Get it? yes?

One added thought….. because obviously 30 Trillion IQD at 1.00 or more…. would also have to be (in effect) paid for…. with some form of tangible asset.

Since there ar no where near those kind of Liquid Assets to cover this, think on terms of Monetization of Non- Liquid assets….. through the use of more than just Treasuries….. but in forms of other than ‘Promisary Notes’….. think on terms of UN….. UCC….. Bazil III supported Bills of Exchange, to make tangible, $15 Trillion worth of Proven Oil Reserves…… 505 Billion of known oil reserves, not listed….. Natural Gas….. Sulfur….. Minerals….. water resources and agricultural…..not to mention but only a few of an estimated $70 some Trillion Dollars worth of net non liquid asset wealth.

Then consider, how GOI and CBI would cover all the IQD being held internationally as Reserve Currencies….or buy them back and add them tho their own Liquid Reserves.

And we still are not even talking about forex or future bank lending programs…. etc. etc. and what stocks and futures are going to be worth.

[hoonos]

would like to hear comments on the following.......if more and more people invest in the dinar,, does that lessen or increase the likelihood of a revalue....if it lessens it then this could be the pumpers' dream coming true......getting more to invest lessens the rv odds hence prolonging matters and leading to more pumping and more investors and on and on it would go....reminds me of calculus where you consider the infinite possibility as in limits....well if the pumpers successfully sell every citizen in the united states a million dinars , is an rv more or less likely??? I have no clue...please help with this ponderment...

[Brisco]

[bigcity Bob]

wow this is way cool... love the explanation.. So what is your best theory of what will be done??

[Bambino3]

would like to hear comments on the following.......if more and more people invest in the dinar,, does that lessen or increase the likelihood of a revalue....if it lessens it then this could be the pumpers' dream coming true......getting more to invest lessens the rv odds hence prolonging matters and leading to more pumping and more investors and on and on it would go....reminds me of calculus where you consider the infinite possibility as in limits....well if the pumpers successfully sell every citizen in the united states a million dinars , is an rv more or less likely??? I have no clue...please help with this ponderment...

I am not entirely sure, but my guess is that it makes no difference because the dinar, sold or unsold has all been accounted for. Did the dealer not already pay for the dinar, so it is just a matter of who owns it. I, also, have a hunch that to be a licensed dinar dealer you can not buy it for your personal gain. Thus, at RV time, the dealers are cut-off. How this is controlled, I don't know, but Uncle Sam probably does.

Now, on the other side of the street, the so called pumpers have become a joke, with their high rates and daily RV predictions. But, they are so ridiculous that I wonder if they are adversely affecting the sales of dinars. And....doing so with this being their plan. So the pumpers have become unpumpers because they are nuts.

Lastly, if we look at the deletion of the 3 zero articles lately, it is pretty negative. If I were contemplating buying dinar, I would look at these articles and say "forget about it". But, then again, if I was the GOI and I wanted to inhibit the furthur sales of dinar because Iraq was going to have to RV, well, what kind of articles do you think would be put forth? Articles that basically say, "Jump in the water's fine", or "Careful of the quiksand". So, if we have a negative IQD article from some gov. poobah, I think it is an anti-ad. He doesn't want you to buy any more dinar. And why would that be?

So, after all this meaningless diatribe, the answer is I don't know and I wouldn't buy any more dinar or encourage it. However, the dinar I have is being kept in a safe place,

[Rocker]

I think i'm good on what i have & i'm standing firm. We shall see what happens.HOPE IT HAPPENS QUICK ! ! !