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Yep, I believe in Bigfoot, and yes, I do believe in ghosts... I do, I do, I do believe in ghosts.
Sorry, I digress. I have been blessed to experience many ghosts, some bad and some not so bad. Some of my stories make my own skin crawl, and I was there.
KK
You've seen ghosts?! Wow! can you tell us more?
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Well, sorta... I'll make it very clear; I do not consider Iranians uncivilized but I do condone a pre-emptive attack on any nation (or person) who states: #1. Tyron (or any other person or nation) does not have a right to live; #2. Has the means, ability and expresses intention to destroy Tyron (or any other person or nation; and #3. Makes any effort whatsoever to initiate the death of Tyron (or any other person or nation).
And that is why Tyron, that even if you and I disagree on a World View we can live in peace with each other as long as neither one of us attempts to deny the other the right to live. It also means that even though we disagree on a World View that if a third party makes it known they are going to deny Tryon the right to live and I become aware of those intentions; I have a moral obligation to assist you so that you may continue to live. Believe me Tyron, if I heard a hooligan down at the local pub make noise about how he was going to break into your flat and smash your head with a bat and steal your telley, I would do everything to dissuade him and to warn you. And if that wasn't enough, I would intervene with a preemptive strike to the nose.
As for being inconsequential to the men in dark suits; they are terrified of free men, especially men with the 2nd Amendment behind them.
And so Tyron, enjoy your day, I've got your back...
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Hi George. This is the problem I have with this whole thing. Iran has not threatened to wipe out Israel at all. Iran, understandably deplores what is happening to the Palestinians, their brothers, and therefore condemns the actions of the Zionist state of Israel and wants to see the end of its existence, but it does NOT condemn the Jews or plan for their annihilation. Here you will find the actual words spoken by Iranian leader. http://antiwar.com/orig/norouzi.php?articleid=11025
It might surprise to learn that Torah-True Jews also desire the end of the Zionist state. This is how they feel:
The Zionists have no right of any sovereignty over even one inch of the Holy Land. They do not represent the Jewish people in any way whatsoever. They have no right to speak in the name of the Jewish people. Therefore, their words, declarations and actions are not in any way representative of the Jewish people. This is because the Zionists' seizing of power over the Holy Land is antithetical to Jewish law, and also because the Zionists do not behave like Jews at all rather, they desecrate the sanctity of the land.
We once again clarify that it is our desire to live in peace with our Arab and Palestinian neighbors, as we did before the Zionist revolution, and as Jews all over the world till today live, accepting the yoke of rulership of their host nation, with complete loyalty. Our sole desire is to serve our G-d and to fulfill His commandments with a perfect heart and to delight in the radiance of the sanctity of the Land.
Read more at: http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/notjews.cfm
What do you propose to do with these people, George?
Anyway, this is an interesting opinion from a source you might respect.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/04/world/middleeast/04mossad.html
And also bear this quote in mind
Israelis Defense minister, Ehud Barak, responded to PBS's Charlie Rose's question "If you were Iran wouldn't you want a nuclear weapon?" with these words:
"Probably, probably. I don't delude myself that they are doing it just because of Israel. They have their history of 4,000 years. They look around and they see the Indians are nuclear. The Chinese are nuclear, Pakistan is nuclear as well as North Korea, not to mention the Russians."
Oh! when you see that hooligan down the pub, tell him to come around mine for a cup of tea, and that he's welcome to my telly. Never use the damn thing, anyway. Take care, George - I actually like you - you're kinda sweet.
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nice to hear from you, again, Tyron. : ) Ive been away for a while-taking a much needed (and deserved) break. : )
Not in the soup kitchens, I hope...
Nice to see you back around too C. -
Is this an out of town try out?
Yes, it is!!
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Good I am very pleased to see that it was simple misunderstanding. You do NOT consider the Iranians uncivilised and you do NOT condone any pre-emptive military attack on them.
Unfortunately, these silly sanctions that the West is trying to force the whole world to impose on Iran will only benefit the Oil Companies and the Bankers that own them. Iran will not suffer since the reduction will be compensated for by the price hike. The greatest losers will be you and I and those who will starve due to the inevitable increase in food prices. But we are of no importance to the men in dark suits, and there it lies George...
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It is true it is our conscienceless leaders who find excuses to declare wars, but it is WE who choose whether we pick up a single rifle to point at another human being.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wapUByBPMuA&feature=player_embedded#!
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Hmmm, where to start? I think I’ll start at the end by answering your last question in order to qualify my position before addressing your other points: “Can we truly call ourselves civilised nations if we are always calling for war, a thing that can indiscriminately extinguishes millions of innocent lives?” You and I probably disagree on the definition of war. However, the general understood definition of war is the use of force necessary for one nation to remain unfettered or destroyed by another. Is there a time when it is appropriate for civilized nations to ‘always’ be calling for war? Yes. If the un-civilized nations have gathered together and are ‘always’ calling for the annihilation of the civilized then the appropriate response of the civilized is to ensure that does not occur. Who then are the innocents you speak of? Those persons of uncivilized nations, who refuse to counter, correct and rebuff those that call for annihilation? They are cowards who are complicit in the threat and would be complicit if the threat of annihilation were to occur. That is the hard truth of the matter.
However, todays civilized nations are not ‘always’ calling for war just as un-civilized nations are not ‘always’ calling for annihilation of the civilized. I mean, after all, everybody now understands the importance and comfort of toilet paper. So somewhere between the extreme call for total war and annihilation with all its emotion and flag waving/burning and a clean, rash free tush, lie the rub and conflict of the ideology of the civilized and the un-civilized. Metal against metal, flare-ups, hot spots, name calling, disinformation, loss of life etc. etc. are all part of the shoving back and forth between the civilized and the un-civilized. But, let’s not be naïve; there are moral values underlying the actions of both sides and, I am not talking about religion. I am talking about the foundation of humanity. There is good and there is bad. There is wrong and there is right. All persons have a right to live and all persons have a right to their lawful possessions. All persons also have the right to resist attempts to deprive them of those rights… using whatever force is necessary.
Now, more to the point of Iran’s supplying weapons and intel to the insurgency in Iraq. I read the article you referenced. It is an obvious anti-US-war article posted on an anti-war web page authored by a CIA analyst of 27 years. It is hard to fathom why someone would express such a view point counter to the nation he made an oath with. I suppose he enjoyed the US taxpayer provided salary and perhaps now even a pension. Regardless how he pays for his printer ink, he should know his stuff right? And being a former analyst he should also know how to write objectively, right? It’s a little hard to see those attributes when he writes: On April 25, 2008, Joint Chiefs Chairman, Adm. Mike Mullen, told reporters that Gen. Petraeus in Baghdad would give a briefing "in the next couple of weeks" providing detailed evidence of "just how far Iran is reaching into Iraq to foment instability." Petraeus’s staff alerted U.S. media to a major news event in which captured Iranian arms in Karbala would be displayed and then destroyed. OK, there is nothing here that states the briefing did not occur nor that detailed evidence was not provided. Did the major news event occur and were the weapons destroyed?
Oops. Small problem. When American munitions experts went to Karbala to inspect the alleged cache of Iranian weapons, they found nothing that could be credibly linked to Iran. Oops, small problem alright; no reference to the ‘experts’ report and no reference to what level of credibility they were using.
At that point, adding insult to injury, the Iraqis announced that Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki had formed his own Cabinet committee to investigate the U.S. claims and attempt to "find tangible information and not information based on speculation." Ouch! Ok, what became of that finding?
Oops and Ouch!?? This reads more like something Rachael Maddow would exclaim.
You have presented this article regarding an event that occurred on April 25, 2008. Initially, I thought you had written the body of the post until I realized you had overlooked quotation marks and reference to the author. No biggy, just sayin’…
Anyway, I’m going back in time too; http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2007/09/mil-070928-rferl01.htm
U.S. Building Military Base Near Iraqi-Iranian Border
By Ron Synovitz
“September 28, 2007 (RFE/RL) -- The U.S. military is launching an intensified effort to stop what it says is Iranian support for insurgents in Iraq.
U.S. forces are building a forward-operations base in Iraq just a few kilometers from the border with Iran. The $5-million project is aimed at improving border security and is part of a broader U.S. effort to stop alleged Iranian support for Iraqi insurgents.
The plan is similar to the U.S. strategy elsewhere in Iraq. It calls for U.S.-led coalition troops to help build up Iraq's border infrastructure as well to train Iraqi forces that eventually would take over border-security operations.
But the task is a difficult one. The 1,500 kilometer border between Iraq and Iran is crisscrossed with ancient smuggling routes. And supplying Shi'ite militias in Iraq is now thought to be a major source of income for some tribes along the border.
Iranian Influence
The top U.S. military commander In Iraq, General David Petraeus, said on September 12 that he has solid evidence -- including statements from alleged Iranian agents that have been captured -- proving that Iran has been involved in lethal attacks in Iraq. Petraeus warned the U.S. Congress that the United States already is fighting what he called a "proxy war" with Iran.
He accused Iran of helping Iraqi insurgents by providing them with weapons -- including armor piercing technology for roadside bombs known as "explosively formed projectiles" (EFPs).
"I'm not blaming Iran for all that is going wrong in Iraq," Petraeus said in his congressional testimony. "What I stated is, in fact, what we have learned about Iranian activity. And it certainly has contributed to a sophistication of attacks that would by no means be possible without Iranian support when it comes to the explosively formed projectiles -- a signature item provided by the Iranians."
U.S. Brigadier General Kevin Bergner has accused the Quds Force of Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps of providing special combat training to Iraqi insurgents in Iran.
"[The] Quds Force, along with Hizballah instructors, train approximately 20 to 60 Iraqis at a time, sending them back to Iraq organized into these special groups," Bergner said recently. "They were being taught how to use EFPs, mortars, rockets, as well as intelligence, sniper, and kidnapping operations."
U.S. military officials say they are particularly concerned about a 150-kilometer stretch of border to the southeast of Baghdad in the mostly Shi'ite governorate of Wasit.
There, near the town of Zurbatiya, the U.S. is constructing the centerpiece of its new border-control strategy -- a forward-operations base called "Combat Outpost Shocker." The facility is being built just seven kilometers from the Iranian border -- which would make it the closest U.S. military facility to Iran. It is scheduled to become operational in November.”
There is more to the article if you are interested but it deals with Georgian troops patrolling the area.
COP Shocker did become operational up and until June 29, 2011. It was the main but small hub where US Force’s frustrated Iran’s smuggling attempts and the closest US Military installation to Iran.
On July 1st, 2011, Iraq was to take over the border patrol duties and inhabit COP Shocker. On June 29th, 2011, less than an hour after the change of command ceremonies took place and, after the local Iraqi VIP’s left the compound, four IRAM rockets were launched by the Islamic resistance in Iraq; Hezbollah brigades (Kataib Hezbollah). Kataib Hezbollah claimed in their press/video release of the attack that KARRAR rockets were used. KARRAR rockets are manufactured by Iran and are a UAV capable of 1000 km from ground to target. It is unlikely KARRAR’s were actually used because the video footage of the attack reveals the rockets were launched just outside the perimeter of COP Shocker. However, IRAM rockets (Improvised Rocket Assisted Munitions) are powered by Iranian produced rocket charges. “What is clear is that the devices are using 107mm rocket charges. The US military said these charges are "of Iranian-manufacture." The lot numbers and dates of manufacture show the rocket casings have been manufactured within the past three years.” http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2008/06/mahdi_army_uses_flyi.php#ixzz1jCm87j99
So… on June 29th, 2011, one day before US Troops were to leave COP Shocker, IRAM rockets powered by Iranian rocket charges rained in killing the Garrison Commander and two others, seriously injuring others and destroying COP Shocker. http://www.kataibhizbollah.org/ar/wmv/A10.wmv and, http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=175_1309636208
Now, what was it you were saying about innocent Iran and aggressors…?
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Well, well - here we have the crux of the matter. You think that Iran is an uncivilised nation! Why on earth would you think that? Is it REALLY possible that you think using toilet paper distinguishes the civilised from the uncivilised? I have been to tiny villages in Asia where I found the people more civilised than those I found in the streets of Britain!
What is true civilisation? Men wearing expensive dark suits sitting in a room and arbitrarily deciding to bomb out of existence millions because their currency (which they themselves have printed trillions of and so has already lost more than 90% of its value since its inception) is threatened - first Iraq then Libya and next target Iran? Soldiers sitting in a room full of TV screens and shooting people from the sky with drones? You'll hit some that are totally innocent, but don't worry, we don't call that murder, its just collateral damage. Is civilisation the Patriot's Act or the NDAA or Sopa or perhaps it is mercury in the teeth, fluoride in drinking water or GMOs in the diet or perhaps it is stuffing your face with fast food while sitting in trance in front of a TV screen, or having prisons full to bursting with all manner of undesirables or have 40% of your population dependant on psychotic drugs simply get through their day.
Or is civilisation people who are kind and help to each other, who protect their young to the best of their ability, care for the environment and laugh easily and often. I don't know what they used in lieu of toilet paper, perhaps leaves or water, but I never heard one complain of bum rashes. And this is what I saw and experienced. They did not lock their doors at night - no robbers, they had no prisons, they could not have conceived of the idea of a paedophile. Their children ran free and unworried. They treated the earth as it it was their mother - with the greatest respect.
Before you jump on my case, I am not advocating we throw away our toilet paper and join them in jungles. I am just saying that lets not be so quick to call others who are different from us uncivilised.
A note about the innocents whom I speak of. Lets put it this way. If tomorrow Russia decides they want to bomb America because they consider Obama to be a mad dictator. Does that make you an innocent that they would be killing or a 'complicit coward'! Exactly. You would be an innocent as so many millions who happen to be born in Iran are today.
Sorry I did not put quotation marks. I thought it would be obvious when I finished the excerpt with the words. Read more at + link.
So you have questions about that article. Good. Go find the answers without jumping to your own biased conclusions. That is what these articles are supposed to do. Free us from getting all our news from a single source - Associated Press/Reuters.
Finally, Iraq and Iran have a great deal of bad blood. Saddam did after all invade Iran unprovoked. A million men perished needlessly in that war. So it is hardly surprising to hear Iran might be supporting insurgents in Iraq. Israeli spies have been found in Britain and America and once they even used British passports in one of MOSSAD's assassination coups, and we are all supposed to alies! Are we going to go to war with Israel for that? No. That's what diplomatic relations are for. And that is the method that should be employed by ALL sovereign countries in their relations to ALL other sovereign countries.
You have not given me a SINGLE valid reason that would warrant a military attack on Iran which could very well lead to the start of WW3.
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Oooh! bad karma. Today you steal someone's man, tomorrow someone else comes to steal yours
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Just as a bit of fun might I claim this accolade for my fellow countryman John Logie Baird as his first transmission predated Farnsworths attempt by three years and is worldwide acknowledged as the Father of television, thereby compared to your conclusion linking TV to the spread of free speech, I claim this as Scottish not American. LOL.
Just for fun? Yeah OK...
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Aggressor? Implicit or complicit? They supply weapons and intell to the enemies of our allies and friends. This has resulted in the deaths of thousands of Iraqi's and Americans.
Is there an armed insurgency within Iran that is supplied by Iraq or the US????
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Ah yes, the supply of weapons and intel that results in the death of thousands...
One strange but instructive example comes to mind, a studied, if disingenuous, effort to blame all the troubles in southern Iraq on the "malignant" influence of Iran.
On April 25, 2008, Joint Chiefs Chairman, Adm. Mike Mullen, told reporters that Gen. Petraeus in Baghdad would give a briefing "in the next couple of weeks" providing detailed evidence of "just how far Iran is reaching into Iraq to foment instability." Petraeus’s staff alerted U.S. media to a major news event in which captured Iranian arms in Karbala would be displayed and then destroyed.
Oops. Small problem. When American munitions experts went to Karbala to inspect the alleged cache of Iranian weapons, they found nothing that could be credibly linked to Iran.
At that point, adding insult to injury, the Iraqis announced that Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki had formed his own Cabinet committee to investigate the U.S. claims and attempt to "find tangible information and not information based on speculation." Ouch!
Read more http://original.antiwar.com/mcgovern/2011/10/13/petraeuss-cia-fuels-iran-murder-plot/
There is a good lead in that link on the real story in case of the 'implausible Iranian attack on the Saudi Arabia Ambassador' too.
Anyway HD, an agressor is someone who initiates hostile action against someone else, usually in a grab for power, land, or resources. It is not American, British or Israel scientists who are dying like flies. It is not an Iranian drone that America found in its air space. It is not Iran but Iraq that invaded Iran. Iraq has not coveted one centimeter of its neighbours' lands. It does not even need anybody's else oil. When Wikileaks revealed the alleged Saudi Arabian missives urging America to attack Iran, Iran did not threaten war. It simply put it down to mischief. That earned my respect.
Can we truly call ourselves civilised nations if we are always calling for war, a thing that can indiscriminately extinguishes millions of innocent lives?
I gave you a plus on that one Tyron! And I do know that Muslims and Jews are siblings with one Father. It is not right that there be anything but love between us. But we obviously need to work on that!
As regards the political rat's nest,I'm certainly willing to consider your links and information. But you seem to have overemphasized the importance of my post on weapons to my reasons for my opinions. An individual or a faction or a sect or a country might be our enemies without having nuclear weapons. In fact I think 'real' countries might be more loathe to use such MAD weapons than an extremist fringe. I will follow your lead and learn more. For now, please consider that an attack on the dollar will potentially lead to more human deprivation and suffering on a global scale than the Iraqi wars to date. After all we feed a lot of the world. What will happen as OUR infrastructure collapses. Do you think our agricultural system will be making shipping wheat to Africa a priority when our own people are hungry in the streets? This tiger has a long tail!
Thank you Annie. All divisions of religion, race, colour, culture are external differences that we are brainwashed into believing. Underneath our skin we are all the same - human.
Unfortunately, Annie the dollar cannot be saved and it has nothing to do with the Iranian, Russians or Chinese. The dollar is being imploded as part of an agenda to usher in an asset backed currency and eventually a one world digital currency. It will be a sad day when that happens but it is on the cards as surely as I sit here at my computer.
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I agree that the situation in Israel is untenable. It is not my intention to get into who's right after an endless chain of wrongs. We may never agree on that. But I know we agree that it was Europe's legacy of hate that led to the Jewish holocaust, not any legacy of hatred on the part of the Muslims. Their hatred came after Europe decided it was too ashamed to look at the surviving Jews and dumped them in the mideast. The current situation is not because of what happened last century. It is happening now.
But how can you not understand the hostile intent of an Iranian attack on the dollar? I have to repeat that an imperfect ally that shares our beliefs and goals is worth having as an ally in a part of the world that hates our culture. We're not perfect either. But I'm certain that we're preferable to Iran at this time.
Annie, it is not Iran that has attacked the dollar, it is the West that has attacked Iran's ability to sell it oil through the new sanctions passed. What is Iran supposed to do if it cannot sell its oil?
In fact, the entire Iran has nuclear weapon scenario is a mask our leaders wear so they can rape and pillage and slaughter with impunity. I urge you to read the full article, but here is a small excerpt that proves that even America's Defence Secretary, Leon Panetta admits Iran simply does not have nuclear weapons.
"Panetta says: “Are they [iran] trying to develop a nuclear weapon? No.”
That Panetta finally admits what many people around the world know to be true, including American intelligence agencies in at least two US National Intelligence Estimates in 2007 and 2010 – that is, that Iran is not attempting to develop a nuclear weapon, should be a front-page headline. Especially when taken together with the US General Dempsey’s disclosure that war plans are afoot. From its own admission, therefore, the US government is pushing the world into possibly a World War III scenario on the basis of a totally spurious claim that even its own top brass do not believe."
Read more at: http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=28560
One more thing Annie. Iranians do not hate Jews they have existed peacefully for thousands of years. Here is Rabbi Dovid Weiss's take on Iran's leader.
http://wakeupfromyourslumber.blogspot.com/2006/02/rabbi-dovid-weiss-on-iran-hamas-and.html
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I do hear you. It is not my intention to reopen the whole who did what to whom since 1948 on the West bank. Israel is so far outnumbered that of course her only hope for survival is to make peace with her neighbors. But those same neighbors know that they don't have to make peace at all. They can just bury her. And they have repeatedly stated that that is their intention. Let's understand Israel in contet. Of course Israel is behaving in paranoid ways. She really has enemies. But all of Israel's significant, internal social problems, that must be solved, do not change the fact that Iran is a deadly threat to THIS country. And Israel is our strongest ally in THAT region. And, hey Maggie, I support THIS country!
Yes, lets understand Israel behaviour in context. The Palestinians did not harm one Jew hair during the Holocaust. They had absolutely NOTHING to do with it. In what context should they have to suffer persecution from Israel now, and greatly suffer they do, as Hope pointed out.
And as for your assertion that Iran is a deadly threat to America. How? Iran has not played the role of aggressor in the last 3000 years!
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Now without starting a conflict might I ask if the gist of your statement was a result of the teaching that you received in an American school. I question your statement that "the entire world learned the concept of free speech from America" In 1906 Evelyn Beatrice Hall wrote in her biography of Voltair "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it", This quote is usually used when the subject of free speech is broached. In the same year Diplomatic relations between America and Japan were somewhat strained when the San Francisco School Board ruled that Japanese students had to be taught in racially segregated schools, perhaps a restriction on their right to free speech?. Total belief in our own countries military forces non involvement with inappropriate behaviour when in fact both of our military personnel have been found guilty of such wrongdoing is ludicrous, it happened, was dealt with, move on, but don't deny it. All true ex military on here actually know or have heard not only serving military but PSC's involvement over the course of the years. Senior Ranks of the Military were put in charge of the allocation of money within all regions of Iraq initially, a job for which there was no training or previous experience to speak of, and the result is now seen when the paper trail cannot be followed to either individuals nor groups. I always stuck by the old army tradition of getting a "chitty" signed for everything,because we knew that, that was your umbrella, usually required when the s**t fell from above when their a**e was on the line, and blame had to be pinned on someone, so don't blame the individual blame the system and that includes other Gov. sponsored groups as well as politicians. Blame has varying degrees and should not be apportioned to the lower (soldiers) end in all cases.
Nope, did not learn it at an American school. Free speech as a concept was known and granted only to the Voltairs of this world, until Hollywood came along and the whole world, or anyone with a TV, or even a neighbour with a TV, understood the basic human right that is freedom of speech.
Imo, I feel that we meddle too much in other countries government and civil affairs.
However, with that said, I would strip every inch of skin and pour salt on it if it would save one American life or get information
about a terrorist cell, location or plot.
Every inch of skin, huh? The most unreliable info is that forced out by torture. People would say and sign anything to stop the pain. And the CIA/Pentagon are well aware of that. One more thing Robear. Rumsfield has readilly admitted that 'some' of the prisoners were innocent. How do you feel about their skin? Since you won't know until after you have taken it off and salted it that you were torturing an innocent.
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I hear you, Brother.
I don't know what to do to get the rothsdads of the world to understand how dangerous iran truly is.
I get tired of people defending that regime and the one we currently have in the White house.
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Us old war horses get accused of being sabre rattlers, paranoid war mongers, crazy old soldiers who love war...
ever think it's because we might know how truly dangerous it is out there for them and their children?
SO many folks arein for a rude awakening!
How dangerous is Iran really, Sgt? You see, I've been to Iran and NEVER have I met kinder, more innocent people. Thanks to sanctions imposed by the West they are dirt poor, but their hospitality was such that they wouldn't even let the 'foreigner' pay for things in shops! I realise that your hatred of the middle-east comes from the hostility they expressed to you, but you went as an aggressor what would you expect in such circumstances, a hug?
Here are some real facts about Iran's history and why it is treated like a pariah by both Britain and America.
p.s if you are someone who cannot bear any criticism of the state of Israel pls start the video at 1.50.
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OK. You think you deserve an RV. just think of what those poor people over there endured. Some of our so called caring troops stripped the iraqi and made them parade up and down the cell blocks naked and beaten.
It doesn't matter if they were suspected of crimes or not. that's not a way for our military to act. We went to their Country and bombed the heck out of them while they were doing nothing. Our so called honest leaders say
it was because of the WMS but they had no WMS and now they want to do to Iran the way we did to Iraq. It seems that we owe them rather than them owing us. Go RV
My goodness me! 31 negs! What has the guy done so bad? Iraqis did and do suffer even now. Abu Ghraib and systematic torture did exist. But here's something else we should ALL bear in mind.
That the entire world learnt the concept of free speech from America. So instead of censoring each other we really should be curtailing our psychotic leaders who seek to enslave and impoverish us with every new law and legislation they bring into force.
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I don't accept this premise. How will oil trend down in price? If you accept the body of thought of Peak Oil and that oil is NOT abiotic, then it is a dwindling resource that is being consumed at an ever increasing rate. Law of supply and demand will only increase the price, NEVER reduce it.
I read a similar piece in Dec. and had an "Ah Ha" moment where this all came together in my head. I agree that this is what's going on. The dinar is an effort by the "bankers" (for lack of a better term) to recapitalize the markets and monetize the resources in the ground in Iraq. It's a crazy scheme that most of us common folk have no concept of. But the Ivy Leaguer's and the hoyty toyty's in Europe seem to have put this together and I don't think anyone knows exactly how it will play out. I am still buying Dinar until it revalues. IMHO, lopping won't occur immediately if at all. That's just a smoke/mirrors deal to ward off big fish who could easily become billionaires with a $1M purchase of dinar. My humble
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There is gathering evidence that oil is abiotic. It is one in a series of misconceptions that we are duped into believing. Things that are scarce we are told are abundant and have their prices suppressed so we will believe the lie (eg- dwindling silver reserves and fresh water) and things that are abundant we are told are scarce, (e.g oil and diamonds). The list is actually quite extensive but here are some examples of this black is white scenario: Sodium fluoride (the main ingredient in rat poison), GMOs, aspartame, corn syrup, MSG, mercury in vaccines etc, we are told is safe and good for us, and supplements, vitamins, raw milk and organic produce are all being slowly but surely being cast as the bad guys.
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Excellent analysis. Thank you 20million.
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COLLATERAL DAMAGE! Look at us casually using that despicable phrase that war-loving psychopaths have given us to mask their unforgivable acts of mass murdering the totally innocent.
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You'll NEVER believe this but, I swear, let me be dead by morning if I am lying, I actually DID wonder where you were just yesterday! Weird, huh? Welcome back D...
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(+) to you but there is even more to watching TV than people realise Heavy. Psychophysiologist Thomas Mulholland found that after just 30 seconds of watching television the brain begins to produce alpha waves, which indicates torpid (almost comatose) rates of activity. Alpha brain waves are associated with unfocused, overly receptive states of consciousness. A high frequency alpha waves does not occur normally when the eyes are open. What a boon for advertisers huh?
And lookey here:
Psychologists in the Russia’s southern city of Krasnodar have called on the Russian government to ban televising of the Pokemon Japanese cartoon. The cartoon has already been televised on Russia’s state-controlled ORT nationwide television network, as many countries, including Japan itself, have tabooed it. Krasodar psychologists assert that a 25th shot system is applied in the cartoon which negatively affects children’s sub-consciousness. As a result of this shot’s impact, a ''neuro-linguistic programming'' occurs, or, to put it in other words, zombying. The psychologists characterise this phenomena as the ''intellectual genocide.'' In their view, the cartoon calls for cruelty and aggression, while numerous signs on the heroes' costumes symbolise death.
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Tyron i will respond to you and what you said, i am not trying to put fear in anyone about Iran. Iran or i should say the leader of Iran has said many times Isreal should be wiped off this earth, does this sound like a piece loving man to you, but more importantly why the Jewish state of Isreal has done nothing to them.
You make statement into Iran's quest for Nuclear power sure they need it as others do but when Amindenajad or how ever you spell it makes hateful speeches about another and your commanders of the military uses threating language for no reason then you are lying about your intentions behind the scenes. Iran has always had a quest to be the most powerful in their region with force if necessary. You ask why Pakistan, China, Russia is allowed to have Nukes because they understand that if a nuclear war is started there will be no winners thats why they as well is us live and let live. I believe that if Iran has not all these years tryed to get along with all other nations no one would have said a word about their nuclear program. You just don't want a rouge nation acquiring a weapon of mass destruction when they have told the world if they have to they will use it......agree disagree no matter i respect your opinion. Heavyduty053
A nation of sheep will beget a Government of Wolves - Edward R Murrow
We cannot help but be sheep in this landscape provided by the wolves, but at least we can educate ourselves so we don't lead each other into the wolves den.
First off Heavy you must read this. It will dispel forever the rumour the mainstream media uses to whip everybody into a frenzy of war, killing and murder, that Iran wants to wipe Israel of the face of the earth. http://antiwar.com/orig/norouzi.php?articleid=11025
On 16 September, Newsweek disclosed that the major US intelligence agencies had reported to the White House that Iran's "nuclear status" had not changed since the National Intelligence Estimate of November 2007, which stated with "high confidence" that Iran had halted in 2003 the programme it was alleged to have developed. The International Atomic Energy Agency has backed this, time and again.
As one of the original signatories of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, Iran has been a consistent advocate of a nuclear-free zone in the Middle East. In contrast, Israel has never agreed to an IAEA inspection, and its nuclear weapons plant at Dimona remains an open secret. Armed with as many as 200 active nuclear warheads, Israel "deplores" UN resolutions calling on it to sign the NPT, just as it deplored the recent UN report charging it with crimes against humanity in Gaza, just as it maintains a world record for violations of international law. It gets away with this because great power grants it immunity.
Read more at: http://www.newstatesman.com/international-politics/2009/10/iran-nuclear-pilger-obama
One last thing, Heavy. Have you ever read To Kill A Mockingbird? If you haven't you must. I believe it should be compulsory reading for every child. It teaches us to stand in another's shoe for a few moments. Only when we do that can we understand another being. The fact that you are an American is an accident of birth. What if you had been born in Iran and you were quietly and peacefully going about your life. But the whole world hated your guts just because of a rumour that wasn't even true? And planned to bomb you and your family to nothing because of it?
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Thanks now you just gave Obama and his Chicago thugs another tool to cheat in the election!
Ha, ha, not only does he and his thugs know about it they have already freely availed themselves to it!
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Have you people lost your minds?
IT IS NOW SIMPLE TO RIG ANY ELECTIONS IN THE US [FEDERAL or LOCAL]
Clinton Eugene CURTIS, a computer programmer from Florida, testified before a Congressional panel that there are computer programs that can be used to SECRETLY FIX ELECTIONS. He explains how he created a prototype for Florida Congressman Tom Feeny that would FLIP THE VOTE 51%-49% in favour of a specified candidate.
1. It is Simple
2. "Undetectable"
3. The Computer Program is never subjected to Audit Oversight
4. Whereas Polling Station Rigging was easy to detect - the new method of tampering with the Computer Software Program is far more sophisticated and it is identified as "Fail-Safe" - yet this is far from the case - it is now far, far EASIER to RIG THE VOTE!
5. If the money is paid - the vote can be swung!
This happened all the way back in 2001 but you might not have heard anything about this claim unless you searched for it. Wired News Report on this topic + a few local Florida newspaper stories mention it but otherwise, NO MAINSTREAM COVERAGE!
Watch for yourself at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FH6pZz7w8lo
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Well lets see now, Iran don't like anyone that is not Islamic, Iran called America the great white Satan, Iran wants to drive Isreal back into the ocean, Iran called for the lives of everyone that is an infidel, Iran is meddleing in Iraq affairs now that our soldiers have done the dirty work, Iran wants to destroy America, Iran is ready to blow their neighbors to hades if they get in the way, Iran is producing a nuclear bomb and theres more but wait:::
Iran's Navy update:: cessna style drones, several hundred missles, 15 subs, 12 destroyers and a slew of bass tracker speed attack boats.........be afraid, be very afraid. The US Aircraft carrier Stennis has left the region but there are two more carriers headed into the area with enough fire power to cripple everything they have a take out the nukes to. Keep you eyes peeled.
Why are you trying to put fear in everybody's hearts Heavy? Here are the unemotional facts.
The Persians have been living in peace with the Jews for centuries. Here is the speech made by BY RABBI Y. D. WEISS
TEHRAN CONFERENCE , December 2006. http://www.nkusa.org/activities/Speeches/2006Iran-WeissSpeech.cfm They have no problems with Jews and real Jews (not power hungry Zionists) have no problem with Muslims. Both religions are people of the book.
As of Iran's foray into nuclear power. It has no choice but to pursue nuclear technology. Bush made that clear when he invaded Iraq, Cameron and Sarkozy made it clearer still when they invaded Libya. It's insane for any country in that region, evermore so for Iran, not to have nukes as a deterrent to being attacked.
There is something else. Why is India, Pakistan, Russia, and China allowed to have these weapons, not to mention the countries in Europe (25 countries in total) and Iran denied this deterrence? Because you and the American Government say so?
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Good job, I'm not a man. Otherwise, this would be too much Brokeback Mountain!