jay jay - jon jon- your theory on liberals is a bit radical. I'm 66 yrs old and a veteran of vietnam. I have worked my entire life, even now that I should be retired. In any case, I think your idea of a liberal is way off base. From my standpoint I am a liberal because I will not support either party in office. It is unfortunate that we feel we need to label everybody. I agree with what you were saying with the exception of liberal.