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where does the Sun go with a flat earth when the people in Australia see night and NY it's day time, if it's flat the Sun has to be underneath the flat saucer you say it is. What keeps the clouds and atmosphere on the flat saucer, without gravity to explain what keeps these and everything else on the earth.
if it is some clear dome cover the flat earth then that is half a hemisphere, you might as well just add the other half. (making a globe)
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FIND ME THE SCIENCE FIND ME THE PICTURE OF THE PLANET THAT ISN'T A COMPOSITE.
Can you explain 'michelson-morleys experiments to me" that was the one where they were measuring the speed of light perpendicular to our supposed motion of space and it didn't change.
can you also explain why airys "failiure" experiment shows that in fact the earth is stationary.
or sanjac experiment with his light beams on a rotating table, proving the aether....if you haven't dug like i have or taken the time then take your TROLL bs elsewhere or at least come back with an opposing experiment...
btw these experiments don't require math anyone can watch them a couple of times and with comprehension get it.
WE HAVE SOOOOOOOOO MANY PICTURES OF SPACE NEBULAS (FAKE) AND NOT A SINGLE TRUE IMAGE OF PLANET FRIGGEN EARTH THAT IS A GLOBE...
I don't know about everything else but I know there is no way you can say a right angle triangle with 1st 90 degree line (A+C) pointed towards the sun and say the A + B distance is equal to the A + C or B + C distance, trying to prove the 3100 miles between the line on the earth is equal to the distance to the sun Is wrong
you end up with 1 90 degree angle from say point A to point C and the other being something like 87 degrees or higher and the last angle at C is like 3 degrees or less.
go to this site and check out right angle triangles "https://www.mathsisfun.com/geometry/triangles-interactive.html"
I'm no math expert by any means but I like to think I have some common sense and I don't see any reason that video proves the sun is only 3100 miles from earth.
so if that is false then you have to wonder about the rest of it, is it also based on shoddy math or bad science.how can you believe it so wholeheartedly
I'm just wondering and not trying to offend anyone
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The experiment with the angle is totally skewered, there is no way you have a 45 degree angle with that distance and the distance to the sun, a simple way imagine it is to draw a circle on a piece of paper then some distance away from it place a dot, now imagine you take your first line to that circle from the dot, no matter where you go on the dot there is no way you can get a true 45 degree angle to the circle unless you go way off the dot.
That what your trying to do with angle experiment and say that is true distance to the sun.
It's false
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I was in the 82nd airborne when I was in the army so I think I can say those Seals are pretty hard core, heck on our full load out jumps we had 200lbs of equipment, I look at Michael more and he doesn't look like he's humped any packs lately.
maybe he should serve himself before he starts throwing any negative comments around
and anyone who wants to start talking about this movie not being totally accurate (it's a frigging movie) get over it they most likely made changes either for the sake of Opsec (operation security) or pure entertainment purposes, still does not take away the fact the guy was an American hero.
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I would say, once the currency has come off the program rate and is recognized internationally, since it is still on the program rate no one can say what it will come out as when re-introduced into a world economy.
when that happens we will finally know wether it should be held or used as toilet paper.
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One thing nobody mentions when they say this currency can't possibly be raised a thousand percent is that back when the war started they devalued it from well over $2.88 per dinar down to the low rate it is.
No one cried they couldn't do that then so why say it's impossible to restore it something of a reasonable rate now.
The big question is how are they going to do it and will that leave us all out in the cold or able to see some value.
It's a cheap bet and no one can say for sure until a change is made and Iraq is brought off the program rate.
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I think like it or not America is part of the world economy and with that and all the dollars out there it'd be hard to back all that with gold, I just read Jim Richards book death of money and it is probable that the IMFs SDRS will replace the dollar as the world reserve, and if so it could be possible to back the SDRS with gold.
That would put gold at about 9k an oz
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Thanks Machine, I always take a peek at your posts and have been buying silver since it was at $5 an oz
I am also about half way done with the Death of money and find it very interesting read on Macro-economics
if I am understanding it correctly, I had told friends back when I was buying at that low amount that it suppose go to $50 an oz and it was pushing towards it for a little while.
anyway those same "friends" still look at me with that condesending smile, I don't even bother to mention anything more to them about silver or gold
Keep up the posts
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I can pay you 935
How would you like me to pay, I can do paypal
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No one told me, I was looking around online in 2007 for different option on purchasing silver and came across the dinar thing from the international investors Iraq and started reading, well I bought it at that time and have been some here and there since then.
Oh yea and silver I bought then was at about 5 dollars an oz.
but my friends didn't want to hear it even about silver, too bad for them
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Acoraccio@hotmail.com
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I got 800 to send you, what's your paypal address?
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That man needs to be president, very articulate and intelligent speech.
Thank you for posting it, I was afraid that this would be the result of any kind of amnesty bill
And Mr. Cruz just held that flaw up to the light for everyone to see.
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I would buy 2 million dinars, at 850 a million, if you take care of the ship cost like you mentioned
I will pm u as well
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I like to use these guys, they seem to always be cheaper then AMEX
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You are wrong. The Dark Ages are from 450 A. D. until 1,000 A. D., more specifically from 476 A. D. until 976 A. D., and the earliest scientist he mentioned was "Nicholas Copernicus (1473-1543)," almost 500 years later. Tiffin(i)?(y)?, a.k.a., Black Swan, is at it again, arguing with someone who believes in God and backs it up with facts. She is very intelligent, but she is demeaning and condescending, usually a sign of personal insecurity, and certainly not an accepted tactic in an honest debate. If you are so knowlegable, Tiffin(i), then I suggest you stop the crap and just deal with the facts, and when you do, get those facts right.
I've never seen tiffany to be demeaning or condescending in any way, and I find all the facts that she brings to the forum very interesting when most of the people who respond have no where near the facts to support their arguments,
I not a historian and have not researched at all but have also wondered on discrepancies in biblical stories read
I thank her for bringing so much knowledge to the table, because even though we may not believe the same thing it doesn't stop us from have a civil conversation, and I get some education out it
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- you too my friend<br /><br /><br />
"wouldn't you say that your Atheist view of life means that you have no fear or expectation of anything happening after you die"
- Yes
"so what is keeping you from doing anything you want in this life without any though of repercussions,?"
- Nothing, but my innate conscious - (this innate conscious as you put it was instilled by someone I assume, you grew up with someone teaching you the differences between right and wrong) , notice I didn't say good or evil.
"under your view there is no meaning to life, it is just a procession to a point of extinction where none of any of our acts have any meaning or relevance, that sounds like a very shallow way to live."
- Not my view at all and nothing could be further from the truth. As non believers we feel we only have this one life, therefore it's important to us to make the most of us. On the other hand believers are under the impression that they get a do over, so some feel this life is arbitrary in comparison to their believed next eternal life. That's why they always "go to a better place". - Yes but if there was a mass extinction event say tomorrow, then as far as Athiest believers are conncered, that is the end, and nothing you or I or anyone in past histories have done means anything cause there will be nothing and no one left to further the species or remember any of the knowlwdge or life that had passed away before. true?
"yes I do choose to live by the values my mother taught me, and yes she did get those lessons from a book that's purpose is to teach good morals"
- Well luckily for you, your mother chose to do what most christians do and simply ignore the bad parts and cherry pick god's actual word. - fair enough
"(I am not a practicing Catholic, christian or anything else) "
- If you believe in a theistic god you may as well be, I mean there isn't really any difference. I mean you believe in a personal god or in other words a theistic god. Meanwhile children die horrendous painful deaths everyday, I just wonder were these innocent children's "personal god" ? I don't know I just tend to think about these things when people claim a god has their back. - what I beleive is definitely not mainstream so generalizing it will not work
" I consider organized religion to be a crutch that allot of people need to lean on to get thru their lives, so in that sense I agree with allot of what you have to say"
- Do you? The belief of a personal god itself imo is as much a crutch as any organized religion. You've just basically asked me what makes me a decent person without the fear of god, and alluded to the fact that life is meaningless without the belief in an afterlife. What this tells me is that A. You're unable to determine what makes someone a decent person without a personal god, meaning if you didn't believe you wouldn't know how to be a good person. And B. You need a personal god and a belief in an afterlife to give your present life any meaning whatsoever. If that's not a crutch I don't know what is my friend.
This last two comments I have to give to you, yes I guess I have to consider it something of a crutch but also somewhat uplifting at times, but I am also concerned at why this whole response feels like a personal attack of somekind when all we are doing is having a conversation about our beliefs, I admit I have some failings but most of what you have said most of the people who know me would not agree with.
I hope I havn't offended you in any way, if so I apologize.
"but the one thing that rings true to me for whatever reason, is that there is a God or entity that I believe might be a culmination of all life and more important, sentient, self aware life."
- Hey if this is what helps you sleep mayne, more power to ya. Take care
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Neo...yes, I actually got banned one time for kind of putting 2 +2 together.
But saying that, I've actually made about 40% on the investment so far...but I've owned it for 8 years, at least my first batch..and that is before paying selling cost, so take that profit with a grain of salt.
Do i think I' will make millions, not hardly.
I have decided to give it another 9 years...why 9, that's because I came up with giving it 10 years, a year ago.
As my finance professor would say, all good investments have an exit plan.
Now, I have a question for you. What part of the religious facade held you captive the longest? That is, I was becomming "enlighten" that things weren't as they appeared at the tender age of 6 or 7...really. But there were two theories that were presented to me that took a while to figure out. Keep in mind that i didn't have access to the internet until I was in my early teens. But they were...drum roll please:
1. Pascal's Wager - I'm sure you are familar with it. This is the traditional way of putting it:
But I like this one:
This one stuped me for a couple of years, because my Granddad, who is the apple of my world, told me it..he knew logic was my Achilles heel. But I soon figured it out. But before I spill the beans, I thought I'd see what you think of it first.
2. The Physical Science Goldilocks Syndrome, that is, we just happen to live in a Universe with just the perfect rules for life and our solar system resides in just the correct orbit to allow water to exist in all 3 forms, liquid, solid and gas. Explain why these things worked out just so.
Again, if you haven't already tackled this, I'd be interested in your thoughts. I did tackle it..and the answer is actually rather easy.
These were the only two bumps in the road on my way to rationism. I'd be interested in hearing yours and any other "freethinkers".
I think the answer to the second question is, wouldn't we all be asking the same question if we formed on a planet where we were silicon based instead of carbon and breathed methane
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"to tell you the truth I do believe in a personal god that I am connected to, this belief is not based on any Facts or proof or anything logical but is based on an personal belief alone and that after all is the definition of Faith"
- Interesting, so then if you feel your faith is illogical hence it's as you said not based on anything logica,l I can only assume you have this faith for comfort reasons? makes you feel good safe, warm, fuzzy etc? If you believe in a personal god, do you also believe god extends favors to certain people? What about your god makes him personal in your opinion?
"whether or not there is anything waiting for me after I die (and that is what everyone is wondering) doesn't matter here and now, what does is what I believe or should i say choose to believe and how that belief causes me to act and treat the others around me that I have to share this world with."
- Hmm, I hear you, so your god also gives you your morals which to live by? Which god's moral code are you using as the basis for your god's code then? If you're not concerned in the "here and now" about what happens when you die, then why the need to have your morals given to you by your god? Seems someone not concerned with eternal salvation would have no need to follow a particular god's moral guidelines. On the other hand if your moral code is simply "try and be a good person" as the golden rule states, then what's the point of needing a god to tell you that?
Well since you appear to be asking all the questions, let me ask you one Neo, wouldn't you say that your Atheist view of life means that you have no fear or expectation of anything happening after you die, so what is keeping you from doing anything you want in this life without any though of repercussions,? I mean as an Atheist you must live only in the here & now without any fear or thought of any consequences for your action as long as you get something out of it
under your view there is no meaning to life, it is just a procession to a point of extinction where none of any of our acts have any meaning or relevance, that sounds like a very shallow way to live.
yes I do choose to live by the values my mother taught me, and yes she did get those lessons from a book that's purpose is to teach good morals, even though the only one that has really stuck with me has been the golden rule (I am not a practicing Catholic, christian or anything else) but I do consider myself spiritual, I consider organized religion to be a crutch that allot of people need to lean on to get thru their lives, so in that sense I agree with allot of what you have to say
but the one thing that rings true to me for whatever reason, is that there is a God or entity that I believe might be a culmination of all life and more important, sentient, self aware life.
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"I choose to believe in a higher power "
- If you tend to overanalyze everything just curious why you choose to believe? Haven't you analyzed the evidence? Also curious, do you believe in a theistic higher power or a deistic higher power?
"but my image of him is a cyberpunk, crazed mad scientist with a crazed look in his eye who rewards ingenuity, and creativity (you all might not like my image of the supreme being), but that's ok cause I prob don't like some of you all's image of god either. : )"
- Lol! Not sure if you're serious or not, but somehow the organism within an organism theory is more sci fi than the cyberpunk??
The last part is kind of an exaggeration of what I believe, so maybe a little Sci-Fi
to tell you the truth I do believe in a personal god that I am connected to, this belief is not based on any Facts or proof or anything logical but is based on an personal belief alone and that after all is the definition of Faith
whether or not there is anything waiting for me after I die (and that is what everyone is wondering) doesn't matter here and now, what does is what I believe or should i say choose to believe and how that belief causes me to act and treat the others around me that I have to share this world with.
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"and even for people who have profess that they don't believe in god, somewhere in the back of their mind there is an inkling of the thought that there is "something" it may not be what everyone is writing about but there is something out there and on those peoples death beds they grasp for that something to help them pass thru to whatever awaits us."
- Absolutely true my friend, The fact that there's any type of existence simply blows my mind, and I often contemplate if there is a purpose of the existence of anything. The fact that we are made up of the same elements of stars is NUTS! We are truly cosmically related to the universe. Lol! I sometimes think that we are part of another working organism, like perhaps the earth and everything on it are elements of a cell, and the galaxy is that cell, working with trillions of other galaxies/cells that make up another organism, and that organism and it's environment are but another cellular element within another cell in yet another organism and so on. Trips me out.
"I have long ago stopped stressing over who or what there is out there and just tried to live the best life I can live with the cards I've been dealt, trying not to judge others or force them to my way or anyone else's way of thinking or believing"
- So then are you an atheist??
"so in conclusion to me 2 cents worth of nothing, I think everyone should just live & let live"
- You said it all man. Good post!
I have thought about that idea about being a part of a larger organism but it just seems like Sci-fi now
and to answer your question, no I'm not an Atheist, even though I am an engineer and I tend to over analyze everything, I choose to believe in a higher power (maybe not the same version that's touted about on these forums) but really at the core isn't it all the same being, entity, god
so yes I believe in god
but my image of him is a cyberpunk, crazed mad scientist with a crazed look in his eye who rewards ingenuity, and creativity (you all might not like my image of the supreme being), but that's ok cause I prob don't like some of you all's image of god either. : )
Peace
Tony
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I think the problem is interpitation and perspective, everyone has a unique point of view and so everyone's perceptions or what God is or isn't are different even for people who have read the same books or stories
and even for people who have profess that they don't believe in god, somewhere in the back of their mind there is an inkling of the thought that there is "something" it may not be what everyone is writing about but there is something out there
and on those peoples death beds they grasp for that something to help them pass thru to whatever awaits us.
I have long ago stopped stressing over who or what there is out there and just tried to live the best life I can live with the cards I've been dealt, trying not to judge others or force them to my way or anyone else's way of thinking or believing
so in conclusion to me 2 cents worth of nothing, I think everyone should just live & let live
Tony
P.S Perception = reality
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Tandy, whatever Redwizard doesn't buy I will, I am looking to pick up another mil or 2
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ok sorry I'm in NC
Is the Earth Flat?
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You have got to be kidding about the moon and the sun being the same size, Just think about this for a second, as far as visual perspective , the sun being a very large object compared to the moon but it much farther away to us than the moon, (farther objects appear smaller, just like the other planets and stars) you can't just look up and say Hey ! they look exactly the same size so they must be.
this is how human knowledge goes backwards