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I MAY WANT SOME ALSO---if u still want to sell- how much and when i guess is the next question-
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Thankyou ALL- for the posts- I put this all on for GREAT discussion and i have enjoyed it all. I have also learned alot about the Human soul and courage to stand and voice your opinion. I personally dont believe in Mormanism .This doesnt change my mind on the voting problem. What it does tho is show me the way this country is changing. I also believe in 1 GOD and he is the same yesterday -today-and for ever.. I dont know if any of you know that when all the heads of states and countries got to gether for a gettogether it was held on a very large Boat- This boat belongs to Romney and it has a very large crew. It is one of the largest Sea going boats one can have -if you dont include a ship.- I am of the opinion that if one can own something like this maybe he knows something. I dont think he will be having his wife take AIRFORCE 1 for a vacation i think he will use his own because he likes what he has. There is a LARGE difference between the 2 here- They are also cousins somewhere along the line. This title stuff is crazy. Bushes are relatedto a host of monarchs and Obee is in there also. Clinton and Kennedy are the only ones that are the misfits according to the Geneology.Now we Mormans on board here and they have a great access to this program and maybe they would like to fill us in on this. I dont know im just asking. Sometimes getting to the truth hurts and it is like agetting a haircut thru the mail-- hard to do . But we will succeed. This is a great talk here and i like the flow. Again THANKS and i want to learn more- As for the vids i put up -I knew it would cause contravercy and it has but this has been good. It has taken people out of this comfort zone we have. We dont want to talk about Racial issues and dont want to discuss religon and deep family issues and other things like children and their place in society and all of this has come fro -2 vids. Yet i have this deep hurt that this country is going down nd i think soon.I dont like to think of it but we as a people have to plug a hole in this ship. and This Ship aint the GOOD SHIP LOLLYPOP. This is real folks. I think we have stepped out of bounds on alot of things .I have to decide what to do the same as you all. Hard to do when you have what we have -Would be nice to have a 3rd Party but that wont happen soon. I Believe in 1 GOD and HE is the one and only GOD - We as a country and people have to stand and fight and be counted to do the right thing andvote with PASSION and show ourselves proved . This country is as mixed up as a dogs breakfast- We have to GET out politicians to VOTE the way WE want- Isnt that the way it is supposed to be- -----?????????? jmho
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A. Abner, you are being told lies in order to sway people away from the man that can save this great country. Perhaps instead of passing on lies about the LDS church you should do some research. "Mormons" use the KJV Holy Bible as most mainstream religions do. It's the folks that use other versions I'm more concerned with. Go to lds.org or mormon.org and do some reading. Would you believe your child's kindergarten teacher's advice on changing a water pump on a truck over a mechanic? Not if you had any sense at all!!! There is so much garbage being spread as truth yet no one goes to the source. Odd.
B. JCHawaii, Dude... It's capitalism in a capitalist country. I can only guess you are not planning to make any money from this IQD investment... Otherwise you'll be a hypocrit! People make good investments and make great money every day! He's a smart man, wish I'd made some of his investments! Maybe after the rv I'll look for his portfolio and shadow him!
Wow, guys. Really? Believing all the rhetoric. Yes, a third party system would be great for this country, but it ain't happening, so suck it up and vote for the best man for the job, OBVIOUSLY Mitt Romney!
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:lol: :lol: Get a grip---- im just showing yall what i saw. I also have studied the Morman Dynasty. You should get a book and it is called --The Kingdom of the Cults. I dont think you would get thru the 1st doz pages but give it a try. No im not angry but i have studied and i also know a few of the elders and i also know how they operate.So i dont speak lightly of what i knoiw. That being said -you dont have to believe me. I want you to stop and think about something here. Back when Obb-CON-obee was running yes alot came out then and people scoffed at the idea that Obee was a good guy-SO YOU TELL ME NOW -WHO WAS WHAT? yet everyone wanted to vote for an AFRICAN AMERICAN----YUP- and he is KENYAN-So please explain how the switch was made in front of our eyes .Better ask Penn and Teller huh? Magic in the Whitehouse. So YES we have been lied to and thru. If you dont like what is presented you dont have to look or watch . Im just presenting what i see and what is out there and believe this ---im not indoctrinated on anything i see but JESUS CHRIST. Him i will follow. So you choose who you want and yes a 3 party system would be nice and it has been touted. I f people in this country wanted it bad enough maybe it will happen but then again someone will say- What a Mickey Mouse deal this is and wham you will find a box with that name. ( being playfull hee) but yes a 3 party system would be nice.I dont think the founding fathers would abject now if they saw what is going on. thanks for replying but a forum is fun and we do learn alot here dont we? As for lies? I dont think so-If i was you i would sit back and watch things unfold and come back in a year and tell me if im wrong and if i am i will apologise - But I dont think that will happen. I also watch the Vulture Funds and believe me when i say Mitt the Glove knows how to tear up a Corporation and GUESS WHAT---- THE US -is a CORPORATION and you wont be able to fire the Pres of a Corporation- ---- jmho
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-YUP how right you are---I read some of this and thot i cant put this on-people are going to get mad and ill get negs-Mitt the Crook - God is going to get him.
Romney and Cronies hit it big on the bailout of Detroit.
This investigation was supported by the Investigative Fund at the Nation Institute and by the Puffin Foundation. Elements of it appear in Palast’s new book, Billionaires & Ballot Bandits: How to Steal an Election in 9 Easy Steps (Seven Stories). Research assistance by Zach D. Roberts, Ari Paul, Nader Atassi and Eric Wuestewald.
Mitt Romney’s opposition to the auto bailout has haunted him on the campaign trail, especially in Rust Belt states like Ohio. There, in September, the Obama campaign launched television ads blasting Romney’s November 2008 New York Times op-ed, “Let Detroit Go Bankrupt.” But Romney has done a good job of concealing, until now, the fact that he and his wife, Ann, personally gained at least $15.3 million from the bailout—and a few of Romney’s most important Wall Street donors made more than $4 billion. Their gains, and the Romneys’, were astronomical—more than 3,000 percent on their investment
It all starts with Delphi Automotive, a former General Motors subsidiary whose auto parts remain essential to GM’s production lines. No bailout of GM—or Chrysler, for that matter—could have been successful without saving Delphi. So, in addition to making massive loans to automakers in 2009, the federal government sent, directly or indirectly, more than $12.9 billion to Delphi—and to the hedge funds that had gained control over it.
One of the hedge funds profiting from that bailout— $1.28 billion so far—is Elliott Management, directed by Paul Singer. According to The Wall Street Journal, Singer has given more to support GOP candidates—$2.3 million—than anyone else on Wall Street this election season. His personal giving is matched by that of his colleagues at Elliott; collectively, they have donated $3.4 million to help elect Republicans this season, while giving only $1,650 to Democrats. And Singer is influential with the GOP presidential candidate; he’s not only an informal adviser but, according to the Journal, his support was critical in helping push Representative Paul Ryan onto the ticket.
Singer, whom Fortune magazine calls a “passionate defender of the 1%,” has carved out a specialty investing in distressed firms and distressed nations, which he does by buying up their debt for pennies on the dollar and then demanding payment in full. This so-called “vulture investor” received $58 million on Peruvian debt that he snapped up for $11.4 million, and $90 million on Congolese debt that he bought for a mere $20 million. In the process, he’s built one of the largest private equity firms in the nation, and over decades he’s racked up an unusually high average return on investments of 14 percent.
Other GOP presidential hopefuls chased Singer’s endorsement, but Mitt chased Singer with his own checkbook, investing at least $1 million with Elliott through Ann Romney’s blind trust (it could be far more, but the Romneys have declined to disclose exactly how much). Along the way, Singer gained a reputation, according to Fortune, “for strong-arming his way to profit.” That is certainly what happened at Delphi.
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Delphi, once the Delco unit of General Motors, was spun off into a separate company in 1999. Alone, Delphi foundered, declaring bankruptcy in 2005, after which vulture hedge funds, led by Silver Point Capital, began to buy up the company’s old debt. Later, as the nation’s financial crisis accelerated, Singer’s Elliott bought Delphi debt, as did John Paulson & Co. John Paulson, like Singer, is a $1 million donor to Romney. Also investing was Third Point, run by Daniel Loeb, who was once an Obama supporter but who this summer hosted a $25,000-a-plate fundraiser for Romney and personally donated about $500,000 to the GOP.
As Delphi was in bankruptcy, making few payments, the bonds were junk, considered toxic by the banks holding them. The hedge funds were able to pick up the securities for a song; most of Elliott’s purchases cost just 20 cents on the dollar of their face value.
By the end of June 2009, with the bailout negotiations in full swing, the hedge funds, under Singer’s lead, used their bonds to buy up a controlling interest in Delphi’s stock. According to SEC filings, they paid, on average, an equivalent of only 67 cents per share.
Just two years later, in November 2011, the Singer syndicate took Delphi public at $22 a share, turning an eye-popping profit of more than 3,000 percent. Singer’s fund investors scored a gain of $904 million, all courtesy of the US taxpayer. But that’s not all. In the year since Delphi began trading publicly, its stock has soared 45 percent. Loeb’s gains so far for Third Point: $390 million. The gains for Silver Point, headed by two Goldman Sachs alums: $894 million. John Paulson’s fund, which has already sold half its holdings, has a $2.6 billion gain. And Singer’s funds and partners, combining what they’ve sold and what they hold, have $1.29 billion in profits, about forty-four times their original investment.
Yet without taking billions in taxpayer bailout funds—and slashing worker pensions—the hedge funds’ investment in Delphi would not have been worth a single dollar, according to calculations by GM and the US Treasury.
Altogether, in direct and indirect payouts, the government padded these investors’ profits handsomely. The Treasury allowed GM to give Delphi at least $2.8 billion of funds from the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) to keep Delphi in business. GM also forgave $2.5 billion in debt owed to it by Delphi, and $2 billion due from Singer and company upon Delphi’s exit from Chapter 11 bankruptcy. The money GM forgave was effectively owed to the Treasury, which had by then become the majority owner of GM as a result of the bailout. Then there was the big one: the government’s Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation took over paying all of Delphi’s retiree pensions. The cost to the taxpayer: $5.6 billion. The bottom line: the hedge funds’ paydays were made possible by a generous donation of $12.9 billion from US taxpayers.
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One of President Obama’s first acts in office, in February 2009, was to form the Auto Task Force with the goal of saving GM, Chrysler, their suppliers and, most important, auto industry jobs. Crucial to the plan was saving Delphi, which then employed more than 25,000 union workers.
Obama hired Steven Rattner, himself a millionaire hedge fund manager, to head the task force that would negotiate with the troubled firms and their creditors to avoid the collapse of the entire industry. In Rattner’s memoir of the affair, Overhaul, he describes a closed-door meeting held in March 2009 to resolve Delphi’s fate. He writes that Delphi, now in the possession of its hedge fund creditors, told the Treasury and GM to hand over $350 million immediately, “because if you don’t, we’ll shut you down.” His explanation was corroborated by Delphi’s chief financial officer, John Sheehan, who said in a sworn deposition in July 2009 that the hedge fund debt holders backed up their threat with “an analysis of the cost to GM if Delphi were unwilling or unable to provide supply to GM,” forcing a “shutdown.” It would take “years and tens of billions” for GM to replace Delphi’s parts. At that bleak moment, GM had neither. The automaker had left the inventory of its steering column and other key components in Delphi’s hands. If Delphi laid siege to GM’s parts supply, the bailout would fail and GM would have to be liquidated or sold off—as would another Delphi dependent, Chrysler.
Rattner could not believe that Delphi’s management—now effectively under the hedge funders’ control—would “want to be perceived as holding GM hostage at such a precarious economic moment.” One Wall Street Journal analyst suggested that Singer was treating Delphi “like a third world country.” Rattner likened the subsidies demanded by Delphi’s debt holders to “extortion demands by the Barbary pirates.”
Romney has slammed the bailout as a payoff to the auto workers union. But that certainly wasn’t true for the bailout of Delphi. Once the hedge funders, including Singer—a deep-pocketed right-wing donor and activist who serves as chair of the conservative, anti-union Manhattan Institute—took control of the firm, they rid Delphi of every single one of its 25,200 unionized workers.
Of the twenty-nine Delphi plants operating in the United States when the hedge funders began buying up control, only four remain, with not a single union production worker. Romney’s “job creators” did create jobs—in China, where Delphi now produces the parts used by GM and other major automakers here and abroad. Delphi is now incorporated overseas, leaving the company with 5,000 employees in the United States (versus almost 100,000 abroad).
Third Point’s Daniel Loeb, whose net worth of $1.3 billion owes much to his share in the Delphi windfall, told his fund’s backers this past July that Delphi remains an excellent investment because it has “virtually no North American unionized labor” and, thanks to US taxpayers, “significantly smaller pension liabilities than almost all of its peers.”
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Another outcome may have been possible. In June 2009, the Treasury and GM announced a bailout deal they’d crafted over months with the cooperation of the United Auto Workers. GM would take back control of Delphi via a joint venture with Platinum Equity, a buyout firm led by billionaire Tom Gores, a self-described “Michigan man” who grew up in the shadow of Delphi’s Flint plant.
The final Platinum plan, according to Delphi’s official statement posted on Marketwire in June 2009, lists plants in fourteen locations slated for closing, which would have left several of Delphi’s plants still in business, still unionized—and still in the United States. Crucially, the deal would have returned key Delphi operations, including the production of steering columns, directly to GM.
The hedge funders stunned Delphi by refusing to accept the Platinum plan. Harshly criticizing it as a “sweetheart deal,” they demanded 45 cents on the dollar for the debt bonds they had bought on the cheap—more than double what the Treasury-brokered Platinum deal would pay.
Then the Singer-led debt holders swooped in. After the Platinum deal was announced, Elliott Management quietly tripled its holdings of Delphi bonds, purchased at just one-fifth of their face value. By joining forces with Silver Point, Paulson and Loeb, Singer now controlled Delphi’s fate.
Gores, Delphi and UAW officials declined to respond to queries about the deal on the record, but the sworn deposition by Delphi CFO Sheehan (confidential then, but later posted on Scribd.com) lets us in on the tense negotiations culminating in a twenty-hour showdown between Delphi, GM, the UAW, the Auto Task Force and the US pension agency, on the one hand, and Singer’s hedge fund group, on the other. Delphi said it would dump the Platinum deal if the hedge funds would agree to terms that would take care of all stakeholders, including the following stipulation: “Agree on plan structure to maximize job preservation.”
The hedge funders said no, since they had a billion-dollar ace up their sleeve. According to Sheehan, Singer and company’s controlling interest allowed them to force the bankruptcy judge to hold an auction for all of Delphi’s stock. The debt holders outbid the Michigan Man’s team, offering $3.5 billion. But it wasn’t $3.5 billion in cash: under the rules of Chapter 11 bankruptcy, debtors-in-possession may bid the face value of their bonds rather than their current market value, which at the time was significantly lower. Under the Platinum deal, Delphi would have had much more in real money for operations: $250 million in cash from Gores, another $250 million in credit, and $3.1 billion in “exit financing” from GM, all of it backed up by TARP. Still, under Chapter 11 rules, the Platinum bid was technically lower. And that’s how Singer’s funds—which included the Romneys’ investment—came to buy Delphi for the equivalent of only 67 cents a share.
Rattner and GM, embarrassingly outmaneuvered, tried to put a good face on it. As Rattner wrote in his memoir, “In truth we didn’t care who got Delphi as long as GM could extricate itself from the continual drain on its finances and assure itself of a reliable supply of parts.”
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Even before the hedge funds won their bid for Delphi’s stock, they were already squeezing the parts supplier and its workforce. In February 2009, Delphi, claiming a cash shortage, unilaterally terminated health insurance for its nonunion pensioners. But according to Rattner, the Treasury’s Task Force uncovered foggy accounting hiding the fact that the debt holders had deliberately withheld millions of dollars in cash sitting in Delphi accounts. Even after this discovery, the creditors still refused to release the funds.
The savings to the hedge fund billionaires of dropping retiree insurance was peanuts—$70 million a year—compared with the profits they later extracted from Delphi. But the harm to Delphi retirees was severe. Bruce Naylor of Kokomo, Indiana, had been forced into retirement at the age of 54 in 2006, when Delphi began to move its plants overseas. Naylor’s promised pension was slashed 40 percent, and his health insurance and life insurance were canceled. Though he had thirty-six years of experience under his belt as an engineer with GM and Delphi, he couldn’t find another job as an engineer—and he doesn’t know a single former co-worker who has found new employment in his or her field, either. Naylor ended up getting work at a local grocery store. That job gone, he now sells cars online for commission, bringing in one-fifth of what he earned before he was laid off from Delphi.
Even with his wife Judy’s income as a nurse, it hasn’t been enough: the Naylors just declared bankruptcy, and their home is in foreclosure.
After the hedge fund takeover of Delphi, the squeeze on workers intensified through attacks on their pensions. During its years of economic trouble, Delphi had been chronically shorting payments to its pension funds—and by July 2009, they were underfunded by $7 billion. That month, Singer’s hedge fund group won the bid for control of Delphi’s stock and made clear they would neither make up the shortfall nor pay any more US worker pensions. Checkmated by the hedge funders, the government’s Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation agreed to take over Delphi’s pension payments. The PBGC would eat the shortfall.
With Delphi’s new owners relieved of its healthcare and pension obligations, its debts to GM and its union contracts— and now loaded with subsidies from GM funded by TARP—the company’s market value rose from zero to approximately $10.5 billion today.
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But there was still a bit of unfinished business: President Obama needed to be blamed for the pension disaster. In a television ad airing in swing states since September, one retired Delphi manager says, “The Obama administration decided to terminate my pension, and I took a 40 percent reduction in my pension.”
Another retiree, Mary Miller, says, “I really struggle to pay for the basics…. I would ask President Obama why I had no rights, and he had all the rights to take my pension away—and never ever look back and say, ‘Not only did I take it from Mary Miller, I took it from 20,000 other people.’”
These people are real. But it’s clear that these former workers, now struggling to scrape by, were hardly in the position to put together $7 million in ad buys to publicize their plight. The ads were paid for by Let Freedom Ring, a 501©(4) nonprofit advocacy organization partially funded by Jack Templeton Jr., a billionaire evangelical whose foundation has sponsored lectures at the Manhattan Institute (the anti-union think tank whose board of directors includes not only Singer but Loeb). The ads also conveniently leave out the fact that the law sets specific ceilings on what the PBGC is allowed to pay retirees—regardless of what they were originally owed.
In June 2011, Charles and David Koch hosted a group of multimillionaires at a retreat in Vail, Colorado. In secret recordings obtained by investigator Brad Friedman, the host, Charles Koch, thanks Singer and Templeton, among others, for each donating more than $1 million to the Koch brothers’ 2012 anti-Obama election war chest.
Of course, it wasn’t Obama who refused to pay the Delphi pensions; it was Paul Singer and the other hedge funds controlling Delphi. The salaried workers’ pensions were, after all, an obligation of Delphi’s owners, not the government. Delphi’s stockholders—the Romneys included—had one easy way to rectify the harm to these pensioners, much as GM did for its workers: just pay up.
Making good on the full pensions for salaried workers would cost Delphi a one-time charge of less than $1 billion. This year, Delphi was flush with $1.4 billion in cash— meaning its owners could have made the pensioners whole and still cleared a profit. Instead, in May, Delphi chose to use most of those funds to take over auto parts plants in Asia at a cost of $972 million—purchased from Bain Capital.
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That leaves one final question: Exactly how much did the Romneys make off the auto bailout? Queries to the campaign and the Romneys’ trustee have gone unanswered. And Romney has yet to disclose the crucial year of his tax returns, 2009. But whatever the tally, it was one sweet deal. The Romneys were invested with Elliott Management by the end of 2010, before Delphi was publicly traded. So, in effect, they got Delphi stock at Singer’s initial dirt-cheap price. When Delphi’s owners took the company public in November 2011, the Romneys were in—and they hit the jackpot.
In their 2011 and 2012 Federal Financial Disclosure filing, Ann Romney’s trust lists “more than $1 million” invested with Elliott. This is the description for all of her big investments—the minimal disclosure required by law. (Had Romney kept the holding in his own name, he would have had to reveal if his investment with Singer had made more than $50 million.)
It is reasonable to assume that Singer treated the Romneys the same as his other investors, with a third of their portfolio invested in Delphi by the time of the 2011 initial public offering. This means that with an investment of at least $1 million, their smallest possible gain when Delphi went public would have been $10.2 million, plus another $10.2 million for each million handed to Singer—all gains made possible by the auto bailout.
But that’s just the beginning. Since the November 2011 IPO, Delphi’s stock has roared upward, boosting the Romneys’ Delphi windfall from $10.2 million to $15.3 million for each million they invested with Singer.
But what if the Romneys invested a bit more with Singer: let’s say a mere 3 percent of their reported net worth, or $7.5 million? (After all, ABC News reported—and Romney didn’t deny—that he invested “a huge chunk of his vast wealth” with Singer.) Then their take from the auto bailout so far would reach a stunning $115 million.
The Romneys’ exact gain, however, remains nearly invisible—and untaxed—because Singer cashed out only a fragment of the windfall in 2011. And the Singer-led hedge funds have been able to keep almost all of Delphi’s profits untaxed by moving Delphi’s incorporation from Troy, Michigan, to the Isle of Jersey, a tax haven off the coast of France.
The Romneys might insist that the funds were given to Singer, Mitt’s key donor, only through Ann’s blind trust. But as Mitt Romney said some years ago of Ted Kennedy, “The blind trust is an age-old ruse, if you will. Which is to say, you can always tell a blind trust what it can and cannot do.” Romney, who reminds us often that he was CEO of a hedge fund, can certainly read Elliott Management’s SEC statements, and he knows Ann’s trust is invested heavily in a fund whose No. 1 stake is with Delphi.
Nevertheless, even if the Romneys were blind to their initial investment in Elliott, they would have known by the beginning of 2010 that they had a massive position in Delphi and would make a fortune from the bailout and TARP funds. Delphi is not a minor investment for Singer; it is his main holding. To invest in Elliott is essentially a “Delphi play”: that is, investing with Singer means buying a piece of the auto bailout.
Mitt Romney may indeed have wanted to let Detroit die. But if the auto industry was going to be bailed out after all, the Romneys apparently couldn’t resist getting in on a piece of the action.
In last week’s issue, Lee Fang revealed how Mitt Romney’s son Tagg and investors in his firm Solamere Capital can cash in if his father wins.
-Thanks- the info here is correct and now the Mitt The Glove(cause he catches it all) is ahead in the poles haha by 54-48 or sumthin l ike that he is a shoe in--- yup and thats where we will find it - 
well now e know what we will have for the next 4 years ? ----mmmm
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On Fox News’ “The Five”, former Democratic strategist Bob Beckel sounded defeated when reflecting on today’s Gallup poll showing Mitt Romney taking a 52-45 percent lead over Barack Obama nationally. “It’s over. If these numbers are true, it’s over,” Beckel said.
:bravo: OK Flip the coin--- 2out of 3? or 3 out of 4 - or 4out of 5? ----its over when its over and remember here when Bush lost and whats his face won and Bush became Prez? mmmmm i wonder -does history repeat its self that much--- I wonder if it will hit the news or will it be the Alternative news---- The onlt thing i want to win is the RV-----Thankyou-Thankyou--now ill sit down-
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Well Abner Its hard to comment on this video I just watched it and all I know is your gonna get some negs!
I dont bash religeon but even I would'nt stoop this low to prevent as you say mitt the twitt from winning
by scarring people in believing some of the stuff that this man said.
Whats bad is I am wearing the same glasses as this man so I guess I need a new pair of glasses so I dont see what this man is
seeing.Mitt is our anti-christ? common man no one is that bad YET! As for Joseph smith its his word against the masses
that he was named a prophet plus he looked into a hat and wrote the book of mormons.
Mitt is going to kill us all to save our soles?Wow man pass it this way must be some good stuff!
According to this man he will push the button while he is safe to kill off us gentiles and save the world?
WOW what a novel (fiction of course) to me.That video made me want to throw up and wear the biggest huggies
ever made to catch it all.I dont care much for mitt but dam after seeing this video makes me want to vote for him to prove
that the mormon way of thinking is way in the past! I am sorry if I have offened anyone who is a mormon its just my thinking is all and all I can say is mitt took a oath to swear by the book of mormon and if he was told by his leader to kill us all
he would be obligated to kill us and just push a button and pooof were are all gone but the powers that be?
If you like mitt romney dont watch this video you wont make it past the first 15 minutes before you hit that neg button.
He is all for Libertarians which I do like but if this man is what libertarians are about I will change my party fast!
Sorry abner but this video is in nice words hard to believe or stomach for me.
And abner why dont you write a summary so many dont have to see what I just saw it took a hour and a half I cant get back!
In the good book which is my king james version it never mentions joseph smith anywhere in it.
Bad video not nice and shame on you! just my honest opinion! I am sorry.I am just a sheeple
Ya i know- not nice - All i said just watch it-YES my book of choice is also the KING JAMES version and i also have Commentaries- I serve JESUS as my LORD andd Saviour. Now that -that is out of the way - i guess what im getting at is we really do-not have any great choices here- It comes down to the lesser of 2 evils. i guess. As for what has Obbee -Con-Obee done? NOTHIN. ---When you lock away your paperwork the 1st day there is something wrong . This NOT what this great country was built on. But hey what do i know. I dont get it either except the fact that in the days ahead we better be on the lookout for the potholes in the road because son we aint got alot left. Has Obbe-CON-Obbee kept his promises -No i dont think so. The country is going down. I would like to see an RV before it hits the floor. When his wife and kids can a miilionaers plane flight and vacation at the taxpayers dollar and tell the American people that this country is no good Then i have a problem on this also.The only working program is his. As for Mitt the glove watch what he will catch. Yup he is known as a vulture in the buy and sell division of the company of Buy and Sell Off. So when i see that China has paper on us and We cant get out from under im betting its worthwhile that my grandkids should invest in Rosetta Stones instant Chinese program.Am i worried about the negs on this programm? Nope -why ? because this is a forum and we like or dislike what we agree or diagree on and if no-one likes what they hear then they shouldnt be playing the game here. Thats my take-Also i try to backup what i say and i think i hold my own. Respect is the word here -I know no-one has said anything but what im trying to do is get dialog-(no that isnt a wood stove phrase) bad joke -k? but what is being done to a great country is going to be done to a counrty north of here and maybe else where -i dont know but when we as a people let the rope go we do lose the ship. So sink or swim-ME i prefer to stay high and dry. (thats not a drink either) So take it all for what it is worth but WHAT IF ALL THIS COMES ABOUT --Then what? Look I dont like what is happening and i guess i took a road that people dont like and the scenery is bad but it is there. We do have to choose. I pray that GOD has Mercy on us-Like i said before I do serve Risen Saviour- It is not a religion it is a relationship i have with a man called JESUS.and he isnt a fake. I think you all know this. Im just being a Watchman on The Wall. We do have a few here and we never like what they sayBUT when trouble comes we dont like it at the door do we? Nope i didnt think so -i would rather know what could be coming and prepare than have no idea whats ahead and be taken by surprise and find out its to late------i WISH ALL IN GOOD HEALTH AND PRAY THAT WE FIND THE RIGHT ROAD. ... if we dont its going to be a loooong ride- ---jmho-
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watch it all and then decide- I know i was of that same opinion at first then i sat down with a coffee and thot -Hey this is my country and i need to know what is going on,The info is new so that is what grabbed my attention. I do wish we had a 3 party system because alot of garbage would be out of the way . Things would go smoother i think.This type of elections is no better than to stand outside and Flip a Coin . Whoever says Tails wins and i sometimes think whoever says Heads wins also. So here we are back here again. This time i think the one who Tails will win and lose and the same for HEADS. We dont know who is who anymore -so watch and then see what you want.I want the best we can get. Thanks-I dont know what to say about this?
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------This really worth a look- there is some great info here . If there are any Mormons on the forum Please join in I would really enjoy your view. We know about Obummer so lets get to know the New Comer shall we? -
Here is something else you should watch - if you Prize your family-Please DIGEST this real slow- This one is hard to take but True. As far as my studies go -these 2 pieces hit the nail on the head.Like i said we know what Obammer can do and what he Promised and what we got so take it from there Please -I Thankyou---
http://www.pakalertpress.com/2012/10/18/video-breaking-romneys-bain-capital-drug-front-for-bush-cartel/-
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Ok Dude we are waiting. Tell us the truth. Allyou need to do is rebut and ad your source. Soo go for it, ball is in your court. In other words put up or shut up. All due respect.
:lol: is that all u got? sheesh- why dont you do like the rest of us and study? Oh ya thats right you dont -so you want to Free ride in the Info Interstate...Why dont you come back with info to dispute what you read instead of just hiding and saying what you say? Then i think i would dignify your responce.I say this because i read how you answer or comment on others here. So if you dont believe what is said here then show me why and back that up .Then people may answer your query. Thx- -
Brandy thank you for this .... I have been doing some research on JWs and recently discovered their connection to the illuminati and was floored. Came here yesterday looking for dinar info and discovered your thread. There are no mistakes.
;) There are no mistakes.
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i edited this and then when i was done it seemed time ran out-So here is t he EDITED version and im sorry that it will show 2 copies- -------maybe we need more time to correct mistakeds and spelling- (monitors note this Please)--brandyclark------- I to have studied the Rothchilds ever since i heard of them when i was young. People would say to others who happened to work hard and get things - They would say-you must have a cousin Rothchild. This was a joke . But to my mind i wondered.Then when i went to work people were talking about them and The Dow family and Duponts-. The Polymer Corp. and then Imperial Oil and the Esso Oil and Esso Chemical. Then when Polymer Corp had a massive layoff in the 70,s it became Bayer and now Lannex. Thru it all i have wondered if the Rothchild family was involved to whence came my reading as to what and who they were. It all seems to quingkydink. Yes quingkydink----a word from these parts. Simple is what it means here. Thru it all i do believe that Satan has his roots. The Polymer Corp was built fast for the war effort for Rubber because the rubber route was cut off therefore no tires. See how it works.For those who worked there it was a job and people stuck by them even if they knew that the companies they worked for were involved with the wars. Everyone knows that Bayer had dealings with the Nazi Doctors and the experiments but when it became known that Bayer was hiring people forget. I STRESS --- DO NOT FORGET.Better to eat the grass than be fed by people who murder for the sake of experimentation. What people do not understand is GOD IS IN CONTROL. That is a fact and Do not forget that GOD made satan and HE will take him out . The Rothchilds and the ones before and the ones to follow like Buffett and Gates all call SOCIETY an Experiment and they are ALL the saviours of it all and Mass Depopulation is about to begin again.These people will wait and get their next generation to follow their fathers of deception. We have all been marked from lies like B-Certificates to lic. and other documentaion. We have all been decieved. What you have written is Truthful to the ones who see and hear .It is all lies to the ones who dont believe what you wrote. If you are under GOD,S wing you will have guidance and will succeed in exposing what is lies to the world. To say Hitler was a great man is false. Anyone who takes a persons life for gain is wrong. War is wrong but to be sent heir on a lie is wrong also-and to see people believe it is deception is the highest degree-The chemicals now are being made for us to swallow and breath are just the beginning for our children yet our forefathers said that when they were young. My GRANDMOTHER had a saying-It will all come out in the wash. Dirt has a way of seeping out. You have helped to wash the walls of Wisdom University-Thankyou- For where there is Light Darkness will hide and where there is Darkness a Candle will light the Path. PEACE be with you-and i pray that GOD is your light/ for if HE isnt you may still be in darkness and your words may not matter then.But if HE is then you GOD protects His own-- I Pray your ----IMHO
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brandyclark------- I to have tudied the Rothchilds ever since i heard of them when i was young. People would say to others who happened to work hard and get things - They would say-you must have a cousin Rothchild. This was a joke . But to my mind i wondered.Then when i went to work people were talking about hem and The Dow family. The Polymer Corp. and then Imperial Oil and the Esso Oil and Esso Chemical. Then when Polymer Corp had a massive layoff in the 70,s it became Bayer and now Lanxex. Thru it all i have wondered if the Rothchild family was involved to whence came my reading as to what and who they were. It all seems to quingkydink. Yes quingkydink----a word from these parts. Simple is what it means here. Thru it all i do believe that Satan has his roots. The Polymer Corp was built fast for t he war effort for Rubber becaiuse the rubber route was cut off therefore no tires. See how it works.For those who worked there it was a job and people stuck by them even if they knew that the compaanies they worked for were involved with the wars. Everyone knows that Bayer had dealings with the Nazi Doctors and the experiments but when it became known that Bayer was hiring people forget. I STRESS to DO NOT FORGET.Better to eat the grass than be fed by people who murder for the sake of experimentation. What people do not understand is GOD IS IN CONTROL. That is a fact and Do not forget that GOD made stan and HE will take him out . The Rothchilds and the ones befroe and the ones to follow like Buffett and Gates all call SOCIETY an Experiment and they are ALL the saviours of it all and Mass Depopulation is about to begin again.These people will wait and get thier next generation to follow their fathers of deception. We have all been marked from lies like B-Certificates to lIc and other documentaion. We have all been decieved. What you have written is Truthful to the ones who see and hear .It is all lies to the ones who dont believe what you wrote. If you are under GOD,Swing you will have guidance and will succed in exposing what is lies to the world. To say Hitler was a great man is false. Anyone who takes a persons life is wrong. The chemicals now are being made for s to swallow and breath are just the beginning for our children yet our forefathers said that when they were young. My GRANDMOTHER had a saying-It will all come out in the wash. Dirt has a way of seeping out. You have helped to wash the walls of Wisdom University-Thankyou- For where there is Light Darkness will hide and where there is Darkness a Candle will like the Path. PEACE be with you-and i pray the GOD is your light/ for if HE isnt you may still be in darkness and your words may not matter then. I Pray your hanging out the wash and the Angels do protect-
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I just wanna know one thing.... How could such an ingenious camouflaged rodent end up as roadkill? Raw deal man.
?????????????????????????????- raw deal? 4 who? ya got to splain this one- i have 3 ways to take this-
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They are pulling Dinar off of the street now. They have the money machines working and teaching them how to bank.The RV as far as im concerned is happining. It just hasnt hit yet. The people there are trading in and what you get is people being happy.Yet they are being ripped also. YUP trust your goobermant. When i look back and seen pic of planes flying out with bundles on them and soldiers walking out with bags and the gov says hey know more to the men over there i say ok it is coming.Things are settling down.Soon to happen - I hear Sept .maybe Jan. I like to say the sooner the better. How do i figure this out ? Just by watching NEWS and thinking to myslef---SELF i think that if they say go left i will go right .WHY? Simple- when has the NEWS ever told the Truth.PEOPLE read between the lines and think -If i was there and sitting in Gov why would i cause a crash and be involved in a Hype. So walk easy and smile and look and just simply Read . -Thats it.
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I know yall had History lesson in school- so here goes - When Samual DeChamplain was Exploring the world as he knew it which was the Americas-(now dont get bent outta shape here -this was before the war when everything was Civil. haha) They were talking about guns and rifles. Someone had suggested a better rifle for good old Samual. He refused it saying tha the last time he fought the Indians and other arguements was with his trusty MUSKET. When asked why he would keep it he replied - When they shoot arrows they get 1 man when they use them new guns they get 1- I get 13 with a MUSKET....so i say to you-Never argue with a man who has a lot of balls------i had to paraphrase this as i wasnt there at the time. and i learned it all in school. YEARS AGO- so take it for what it s worth- Maybe it is better to know someone who has alot of balls. But i wouldnt never go up and ask Hey Sam- you got a alot of balls? You just may get Lead Poisoning-jmho
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Warning to Us All – Shampoo Warning!
I don’t know why I didn’t figure this out sooner!
I use shampoo in the shower. When I wash my hair, the shampoo runs down my whole body. Printed very clearly on the shampoo label is this warning, ”For extra body and volume.” No wonder I have been gaining weight! I have gotten rid of that shampoo and I am going to start showering with Dawn dish soap instead. Its label reads, “Dissolves fat that is otherwise difficult to remove.” Problem solved! The end.
Ok -- so i got what your saying here - BUT what do i do with Elbow Grease?
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They just arent gonna quit are they- When you figure all the bullets they now have - One wonders -Where is the TARGET practice going to start? They can do what they want-I know that GOD IS IN CONTROL. --
They just arent gonna quit are they- When you figure all the bullets they now have - One wonders -Where is the TARGET practice going to start? They can do what they want-I know that GOD IS IN CONTROL. --
They just arent gonna quit are they- When you figure all the bullets they now have - One wonders -Where is the TARGET practice going to start? They can do what they want-I know that GOD IS IN CONTROL. --
SORRY MY COMPUTER JUMPED SO I DIDNT GET THE POST FINISHED-------They just arent gonna quit are they- When you figure all the bullets they now have - One wonders -Where is the TARGET practice going to start? They can do what they want-I know that GOD IS IN CONTROL. -- yet one day when it is all over I know the gates will open so that i may enter in.I have a better place because HE has purchased my Redemtion and forgave me of all my Sin. So i dont worry about the body.Its the spirit they cannot kill. When you know CHRIST then you can stand on a hill and see where your help comes from. Remember ALL shall bow before the KING OF KINGS. The elite /satan/ everyone will bow . So they will all come in second .So hey camn have it all I have something Greater .Now tax that- hahahaha - Look to the hills my friends because you will see 1- other thing ---All these shells they are buying are all hollow point shells- Just like the owners- --- The Lord. Blessings to all.
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Increase in iraq dinar value is due to iraqi central bank's regulatory procedures, says parliamentary committee
July 06, 2012
The presence of Rafidain and Rasheed banks has increased the number of agencies responsible for the sale of hard currency.
Finance committee member Hadi Amin said: "This action contributed to raising the value of the Iraqi dinar against the dollar and the central bank will keep, in its procedures, the stability of this state."
The ICB acknowledged earlier the presence of an imbalance in the Iraqi dinar exchange rate and confirmed its quest to unify the exchange rate between it and the local markets. The ICB at the same time denied any deterioration in the value of Iraqi dinar.
The price of the Iraqi dinar witnessed a decline during the last few weeks, with the exchange rate reaching about 1,127 dinars for one US dollar in the local market.
Officials in local banks attributed this to the ICB's further procedures in the auction sale of foreign currency.
Local media reports stated that the issue of smuggling hard currency from Iraq to Syria and Iran on the border crossing points is increasing but this was not confirmed by the CBI(Source)Aknews
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JESUS threw out the Money changers-HE told us about them and told us to stay away and PREACHED and taught us about Usuary.(meaning the banking system) He also taught us about Fraud and cheating and sinning. Yet he taught us not get get caught up the web of Sin. Now here we are tied to the banks. The own us .. JESUS threw them out- So i believe this is appropriate to do. People need to take back what they have lost. JESUS never took a backseat to no-one. When ask who HE was -they SAID - your JESUS CHRIST He said that is who you say I AM. They didnt know what they had in front of them.If they had they may have treated HIM differently. So YES i AGREE to what they are doing on that alone. JUSTICE will be served if done properly.
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Sir you are so wrong-Trying to be FUNNY when people are being lied to is AWFUL. -If you want to know the real reason is because of Poverty.Yes Poverty. Someone comes along and starts to befriend someone then the odd gift here are there. Then they become real good friends to the family and then start to preach their type of religon upon them. When everyone starts to understand the Koran because usually these people are not at a reading level so everyone in that family can understand what is in the Koran. These people are then told what happens in their heaven. The parents are then told their child is appointed and then asked to do a great service to Allah. When this happens the mother and father become so happy and proud.Then the child is offered a real Dollar$. The child is happy and behind it all are these abusers who look at it as children are replacable. There will be more-Then the parents are given around $ 10-20,000 Dollars.Then the BOMBING has to be carried out. Now STOP and consider this-The OFF switch is not given to the child or the person who is wearing this.They then are told to go where ever. They go and im sure the parents or there are parents ho want to change there mind but this is to late-
Now consider this- Satan does the same thing to everyone. He will slowly entrap you and then your in it and cant get out.But GOD gave you an OFF switch.HE said you have an OFF SWITCH-HE said that JESUS is here for you and all you have to do is call on HIS name and you WILL be saved. JESUS will come and Rescue you. .The BIBLE says to Call upon The LORD JESUS CHRIST and you will be saved. You have this power to do so and SATAN CANNOT DO A THING. The switch is OFF. You are HIS. and now you have a Future in Him whom DIED for you. JESUS is the way. So if your going to laugh about these people then take this into account that JESUS CHRIST died for you also. Wont yo call on HIM and ask HIM to Stop that switch and RESCUE YOU if you think you dont need this that is fine. But you must understand that All have Sinned and come short of the Glory of GOD. For ALL have sinned and come short of the GLORY OF GOD. That is right-FOR ALL OF SINNED. ----So i ask for Forgiveness everyday because i know what JESUS has for me is better than sin. Please Pray that someone comes along and shows these people an OFF SWITCH- #
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There is no such thing as RELIGON. This what the RC,s want you to believe.This why they are wrong flat out off of the Blocks. What you have is a RELATIONSHIP with a man called JESUS . You can have this at no cost to you .Where as in other religons there is a cost to you -Almost if you have to join then if you will. With JESUS all you have to do is ask Him into yer heart and there you have it, Thats it -Just ask HIM to live with you and guide you and forgive your sins.Thats it no money or perfumes and no cows or anything else this crazy world has to offer. JUST ASK HIM IN AND HE WILL GLADLY COME IN. Ask Him to day. The BIBLE says it is appointed once for a man to die and Jesus SAID THAT IF A MAN ISNT BORN AGAIN THEN HE WILL NOT SEE THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN AND THAT - also the if you SEE ME THEN YOU HAVE SEEN THE FATHER . SOMETHING ELSE YOU WANT TO KNOW TO IS-- JESUS ALSO SAID no-man comes unto the FATHER but by me. ----SO lets start now- TAKE A LOOK AT John 3:16 where it reads as -For GOD SO loved the world that HE gave His only Begotten Son that whosever believs in Him should not perish but have everlasting life-------------------------------------------------Other religons dont make it as easy as this yet JESUS died. no man just lays HIS life at the CROSS. Think about it and then do something about it.The religons? heck there is no such thing.NOW if your looking for TRUTH -Then what i just showed you will stand alone and be counted and never go away because GOD does not lie. If HE did then HE wouldnt be GOD now would HE? Think about it -Now its your turn to do something about it-----
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:P when i look at the WAL-MART people and we have seen them all -It makes me throw up. I just find it hard ti believe that these poor people who dress up like we have seen shop there.Di i went on a FACT FINDING MISSION--WWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW those photo,s aint kiddin. Hahahahahahaha -i could help but stair at some. It git so bad that i really did think i was in a weird moment in time and where were the people who run the store.So i ask and find out they areSHORTSTAFFED Today. So things arent runnin like they wanted. So they asked if i wanted a job.hahahaha NOPE-.. I could work there. its not the pay I dont want to look like them I had a WALLY WORLD GREETER come up to me and say GLAD YOU CAME -WOULD YOU PLEASE STAND HERE WITH ME. I now see why . NOPE aint for me.My wife likes to shop there .Now when she says she is going to see her mother I know she is at wally world- .....FACT FINDING MISSION over.... Now i have turned to another FACT FINDING MISSION. Fishing. I have been fed a libe and have been lured in by a guy named ROD. -and i cant worm out off it- gee i could go on all day- ( see what happens when u go to WALLY WORLD?????? This can happen to you-i figure the experience will slowly go away in about 30 hours for me . Some other people are different on this - some it takes sooner than later-i------Later all Gone Fishin---l/
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