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  1. Hi Chris, spouse of Bellas, friend of old man with a son who is high (up) ? just kidding

    I asume this post of yours is in repsonse to your post the other day the was blasted by by everyone and their mother and old friend with a son of a ...

    anyways has anything changed from that post, have you been told when it may happen (RV) and is it still Maliki???????thanks Kevin

    GO RV

    GO SKINS

    Everything I have stated is still the same. If I hear more, I will post.

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  2. God point Mr.Rich.

    Perhaps some of us, myself included need to read a bit more carefully.

    But, by the same token if Bellas and Chris had been here and participated in this forum a bit longer and paid more attention to the kind of people that are here and what their reasons, hopes and dreams are (and it doesn't take long if you are a good listener) for being here she/he would not think that they were so superior. I have been reading the comments made here for almost a year, I dare say that the majority of the folks here are more than mildly appreciative of the opportunity that we have and recognize the sacrifices that have been made for this opportunity. I would also venture to guess that most are not going to squander their reward on whiskey, fast cars, and immoral behavior. Most have expressed the desire to to good works that not only bless their own lives but the lives of others.

    Perhaps Bellas and Chris would be wise to put the rocks down in their glass house.

    Here we go again.....

    I drive an 02 Cadillac , my wife drives an 05 Tahoe and we have 3 teenagers. I am curious as to where I said I was going to squander my money on whiskey and immoral behavior. Did you read something I didn't write?

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  3. All I can say (and I know bellas believes me to be her adversary - I am NOT) is you are more eloquent in your post than she in her chat. I'll hold to the fact that there have been many "newbies" who pop in with grandiose stories of relationships that hold 'intel', and by this time we're all a bit gun-shy of them. What she was saying in chat reeked of more of that. Whatever happens, when ever it happens is a blessing to those who choose to be responsible stewards (I never heard her mention anything like that, but I do NOT sit and read chat 100% of the time, so I may have missed it). It's just that most folks who join here are not as open with. the other thing that I find interesting here is she said the person giving the "intel" was a sec. to the head of the cia. Hard for me to believe that person is an older gentleman.

    Oh well, enough is enough - God Bless us all including the suffering Iraqi people.

    pvS

    this is bellas...I did not say it was the sec to CIA... i used that as an example...such as to the kind of person I would not be able to disclose...

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  4. I too am a "short" timer, been following 4 months, invested for over 3 months now and I agree with the points made here. I also tend to agree with one of the replies to that mentioned that by leaving, we may "force" Iraq to do what they need to do. Keep in mind, they are sitting ducks right now. They are like a wealthy couple walking down a dark alley in any big city wearing mink coats, Rolex, and other jewelry, with no bodyguards!! EASY MARK. Now, with that said, I believe they realize how "naked" they are now and will move swiftly to shore that up imho. What's that mean? Well, to me, it means forming the GOI, or at least announcing the GOI that may already be in place, then getting Chapter 7 lifted, the RV completed, and allowing investors and companies to enter Iraq and begin the rebuild process. Once that all starts, I believe the violence will slow, as progress is made and is visible to all the people, then the GOI can sign a "new" agreement with the US, (since there will actually be someone in charge!) and we can once again have IRAQ protected from those who would want to take advantage of their shortage of security forces and steal their wealth of natural resources.

    To me, Obama's message said nothing, he seemed to be so neutral and passive, he might as well have been photoshopped into one of the many photos of his wife and kids behind him. (sorry, that was a bit much imo) I don't mind, in fact, I admire one who is proud of his wife and kids, but don't we get enough of them on every paper, magazine, etc as they jet off to one of their many vacations??? I don't need to see them when he is addressing the people of this country... who knows, maybe the pictures were there because his cabinet knew there would be so little support for what he said, or didn't say....

    On a positive note, I liked what Maliki said and Biden said. Stating that Iraq is independent, sovereign, separate, and even EQUAL to the US, was a bold statement. Especially since we have just spent about 800 Billion in your country, I don't think we're EVEN yet son... However, Biden saying talks went well was encouraging, he has rarely said anything positive after any of this many trips there...

    Two weeks or less... that's my timetable. No guru or date/rate guy, but I'll be surprised if we're still waiting past September 15th... GO RV!!*

    * I actually can't wait to buy a motorhome, pull my son from school and ROAD TRIP with my family! Home schooling him as we see this great country of course!

    I could not agree with u more especially on the date of the RV...and the RV trip... :D that is my family's plan as well

  5. ENORRSTE: How My Analysis aligns with Shabibi’s Statements

    GET Site - Monday, 30 August 2010 at 12:07:29 AM

    As the months have passed I realize that not all are aware of the references that I make. Therefore, I am posting this as another "refresher" so that everyone can get up to speed. To be honest, since coming to this site, I see very few "responses" to either the news or much else, including my own posts, so I am wondering if we have lost our audience. This is the sole reason for posting these ditties from the past. I hope that they are helpful and will bring us all to the same page.

    Here is what I posted some months ago:

    How My Analysis aligns with Shabibi’s Statements

    Shabibi has been nice enough to be more “forthcoming” recently and is filling in the blanks, so to speak. He is allowing us to see more clearly exactly what his plans are for the near future, as he calls it. I have stated my views on this but thought it might be helpful if I summarize them again here, including the latest documentation.

    Let’s start with last week. You will recall that on Monday Maliki made a statement and the very next day Shabibi followed up with another statement.

    First, Maliki’s statement. I will post a portion of Maliki’s statement:

    28 February 2010

    “Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki said on Sunday that the process to re-evaluate the Iraqi dinar has to do with economic conditions that have to be strengthened.

    "’The Iraqi dinar has all the reasons to grow stronger thanks to an increase in revenues and development of the economy,’ Maliki said in response to some questions through the National Information Center.

    …..

    The Central Bank of Iraq (CBI) is currently entrusted with drawing up a study on the whole issue and would give its decision soon,’ said the Iraqi premier.

    “The Iraqi dinar's exchange rate is suffering from low value against foreign currencies.”

    Here were a few of my comments at the time:

    We start with Maliki’s statement that this is “the process to re-evaluate the Iraqi dinar”. As far as I know this is the first time that Maliki has made a direct statement on the possible revaluation of the dinar. We see that he is not only confirming that it will happen, a first, but also stating that this is a “process” that has been going on for some time. We know from my “Chronology” thread that this process began in 2005.

    Next we see that Maliki is confirming something that has ALREADY OCCURRED: "The Iraqi dinar has all the reasons to grow stronger thanks to an increase in revenues and development of the economy.” We see two important points here; first, that he believes that the dinar needs to be revalued in order to make it “stronger”; and second, that the “revenues and development of the economy” are justification for this revaluation.

    Next, Maliki announces that he has instructed Shabibi to perform a study on this matter (the RV) and that Shabibi “would give its decision soon.”

    Finally, we see that Maliki is definitely a supporter of the RV with his statement that, “The Iraqi dinar's exchange rate is suffering from low value against foreign currencies.”

    The next morning Shabibi offered a short statement of his own:

    “ ‘The CBI is adopting a managed floating policy of exchange rate, through which a reasonable exchange rate is fixed,’ Sinan Al-Shabibi told Aswat al-Iraq news agency.

    “’The current exchange rate is reasonable and stable and can be defended by our vast foreign reserves, totaling $43 billion U.S. dollars at the moment,’ Shabibi explained.”

    The translation above from Arabic to English was “word for word” but not fulfilling the “meaning” in doing so. This often happens when translating. Imagine yourself as a translator. For any given word there are, say 15 synonyms. Which word do you use? The choice is yours. Most living translators attempt to determine the “meaning” before applying the “words”. But in this case, the translation was done by a computer! And unfortunately a computer doesn’t understand the concept of “meaning.” So the translation was not easily understood.

    I substituted the word “new” for “current” in the second statement and added the word “now” to the first statement. The result was this:

    “The CBI is now adopting a managed floating policy of exchange rate, through which a reasonable exchange rate is fixed.

    “’The new exchange rate is reasonable and stable and can be defended by our vast foreign reserves, totaling $43 billion U.S. dollars at the moment,’ Shabibi explained.”

    This statement was made on March 10. However there is now another article from Shabibi that will vindicate my analysis, and it is dated February 8, nearly a month prior to this statement.

    Here is the link:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLDE6292F520100310

    And from within this article we have the following important statements:

    “Amongst other things, the IMF submission said Iraq's Central Bank planned to create a foreign exchange market outside the framework of regular dollar auctions now conducted by the bank. The bank uses the auctions to set the exchange rate, which has been held at 1,170 dinars per dollar for many months.

    "’To improve the functioning of foreign exchange auctions, we plan to develop organized exchange markets outside the central bank, including an interbank foreign exchange market,’ it said.

    "’Our aim is to establish a forward market in Iraqi dinars in the near future.’"

    What we see here is that Shabibi, on February 8, prior to the statement above announced by the news on March 10, had already clarified what he meant to the IMF in his Letter of Intent, from which this article is summarized.

    I submit to you all that these two statements are essentially talking about the same thing, namely the decision to expose the dinar to the world:

    First this:

    “The CBI is now adopting a managed floating policy of exchange rate, through which a reasonable exchange rate is fixed.

    And then this:

    “Central Bank planned to create a foreign exchange market outside the framework of regular dollar auctions now conducted by the bank.”

    The fact that these are referring to the same “event” is not immediately obvious. However, when we understand what is necessary for a “managed floating policy of exchange rate” to exist, we see that the plan “to create a foreign exchange market outside the framework of regular dollar auctions” is the answer.

    Fortunately Shabibi has further explained himself in the article:

    “We plan to develop organized exchange markets outside the central bank, including an interbank foreign exchange market," it said.

    "Our aim is to establish a forward market in Iraqi dinars in the near future."

    Now we are able to clarify the meaning: Shabibi intends to create a “foreign exchange market” for the DINAR outside the tradition auctions of the CBI. He called it a “forward market”.

    We are now able to see that the CBI intends to take the dinar into the world foreign exchange market. Up until now the dinar has not been traded internationally, but it is clearly stated that Shabibi intends to take the dinar “international”. In doing so he intends to increase liquidity in the economy of Iraq, as the statement says (follow the link above).

    When you “create a foreign exchange market” such as this, also known as a “forward market” you are creating a “venue” for the international trading of the dinar. This “venue” already exists in FOREX and XE.com as we know. So what Shabibi is saying is that he is about to introduce the dinar into the world foreign currency market. However, based on the March 10 article above, he has added that in doing so he will attempt to create a “managed float” for the dinar.

    Some time ago we discussed the ERM, known also as the Exchange Rate Mechanism. This term deals with the three ways in which a currency value can be handled. The first is the “fixed” rate. That is self-explanatory: it doesn’t change. The second is the “managed float” which I will discuss in a moment. And the third is the “free float” in which a currency is allowed to rise or fall in the international market until it finds equilibrium.

    Shabibi has announced, as of February 8, incidentally, that he would “in the near future” bring the dinar into the world foreign currency market. Furthermore, he has announced that he will attempt to use a “managed float policy” for the dinar.

    The “managed float” involves allowing the dinar to rise or fall, but only within certain limits daily. The important points to note are these: (1) a managed float is not “fixed” and therefore the old rate of 1170 is out of the question (!); (2) a managed float is NOT free, which means that controls will be placed upon the RV value of the IQD; and (3) the managed float will almost certainly not open at “equilibrium”.

    It should be noted now that my “retranslation” of the last part of Shabibi’s statement on March 10 is now vindicated. Here is the way I retranslated it:

    “’The new exchange rate is reasonable and stable and can be defended by our vast foreign reserves, totaling $43 billion U.S. dollars at the moment,’ Shabibi explained.”

    The “new exchange rate” is the rate at which Shabibi will introduce the IQD, “in the near future”, after which it will be under a managed float to eventually arrive at equilibrium.

    Therefore the word “current” really does mean “new”, as I said.

    Now, the question of the night is this: What will be the initial rate?

    I’ll have more on this shortly.

    For your interest, here is the link to the actual “letter of intent” from February 8 on which the March 10 article is based.

    http://www.imf.org/External/NP/LOI/2010/irq/020810.pdf

    Steve

    WOW! this is the first I've seen of actual proof that someone actually said they WILL rv..not just speculation! Thanks for bringing this back!! WOO HOO!!!! :lol::D

  6. Al Maliki or Allawi, who will blink first?

    Both command support of large segments of Iraqi society, but their contributions to their own blocs are very modest

    By Jasim Al Azzawi, Special to Gulf News

    Published: 00:01 August 30, 2010

    Five months after crucial elections in Iraq, the country is still without a government. The biggest two winners of the March 7 elections are locked in bitter protracted negotiations to decide who should be Iraq's next prime minister.

    Al Iraqiya coalition, headed by former Iraqi prime minister Eyad Allawi, won 91 seats while the State of Law coalition, headed by Prime Minister Nouri Al Maliki won 89 seats. Both men have stated that compromise is not an option and that the other man must yield. Frustrated Iraqis have resigned themselves to a long political gridlock punctuated by rising violence, lack of services and poverty.

    The high stake negotiations conducted by special committees of trusted representatives of the two archrivals betray the precarious positions of the two men. On paper both men command the support of large segments of Iraqi society, but in reality their contributions to their own blocs are very modest.

    Three reasons may prevent Allawi from caving in first and accepting a junior position, such as deputy prime minister in charge of security. First, his key coalition partners who were instrumental in bringing him this far, will pressure him to refuse a secondary role to Al Maliki, especially when they have bested Al Maliki's coalition by two seats.

    Second, given his age, 74, Allawi knows very well that this is his last chance to be prime minister again; it's either now or never.

    Third, if he is to accept a junior role, Allawi has no guarantees that his future decisions and actions will not be reversed and nullified by Al Maliki's powerful generals in charge of security and intelligence services.

    Given his limited options, Allawi's strategy is to stay firm, watch Al Maliki stew in his own juice and wait for him to commit a blunder.

    Uncertainty

    "The problem is that they both have equal shares of political support and both fancy themselves as a strong prime minister," says Dr Sa'ad Nagi Jawad, Professor of Political Science at Baghdad University.

    "If negotiations collapse, Al Maliki will be forced to go to parliament. But given the mood in the country no one can predict the outcome of such a move and who will emerge as prime minister."

    In his tenure as prime minister, Al Maliki has succeeded in alienating all political factions; the Kurds, his erstwhile Shiite allies and above all the firebrand cleric Muqtada Al Sadr.

    The Iraqi National Alliance (INA) headed by Ammar Al Hakim has castigated Al Maliki in the most undiplomatic language possible while Al Sadr has called Al Maliki a liar. Al Sadr's 40 seats out of INA's 70 have given the hotheaded cleric the licence to decide whether Al Maliki will live inside or outside the Shiite's tent. Though highly unlikely, the mercurial cleric may change his mind and bless Al Maliki, but that means Al Maliki will forever be his prisoner.

    So, who will be Iraq's next PM?

    "Iran is dead against Allawi being a prime minister and prefers Al Maliki. The US on the other hand prefers a power sharing government in which Allawi's Iraqiya coalition plays a significant role in the new government, an outcome supported by Turkey and Saudi Arabia.

    "The formation of a new Iraqi government will only succeed if no regional red lines are crossed, which is the marginalisation of the Sunnis as represented by the Iraqiya coalition," says Joost Hilterman, an Iraq expert with the International Crisis Group.

    Resolving the deadlock

    "The current stalemate is a constitutional problem. The Iraqi constitution cannot resolve the current deadlock and the recent interpretation of election results by the Iraqi Federal Court have muddied the picture. The Marjeia in Najaf may eventually have to step in to break this jam."

    The ambitious Allawi cannot envisage a limited role for himself, not even that of president of Iraq, as insinuated by some of Al Maliki's people. He wants to fulfil his image of a tough politician, something the presidency will not allow him to achieve. His people countered back by offering Al Maliki the presidency.

    But this constitutional and power vacuum cannot go on forever. If the two men fail to reach a workable agreement, Al Maliki may be forced to nominate one of his loyal protege, Ali Al Adeeb, as a candidate for the top job. "Despite the waning of US influence in Iraq, the Americans can still play a major role in facilitating the formation of a new government," says Hilterman.

    "Allawi has recently said that the US wants Al Maliki as prime minister. They believe they've tested him and can work with him which is not good news for Allawi," says Jawad.

    Allawi's Young Turk in parliament will likely revolt against him if Allawi compromises on crucial and explosive issues, such as Kirkuk or immunity for well known corrupt politicians or those responsible for killing and torture.

    So, whether it is Allawi or Al Maliki, both men will be hamstrung as prime minister and will be forced to rule by consensus. The prospect of a fracture in their own coalitions and the constant threat of ‘no confidence' by either of these two powerful blocs will ensure that both Allawi and Al Maliki will be shadows of their earlier days.

    Jasim Al Azzawi is the presenter of Inside Iraq on Al Jazeera English.

    http://gulfnews.com/opinions/columnists/al-maliki-or-allawi-who-will-blink-first-1.674861

  7. Dipshit, they were refugees . . to another state, to the states that took them in. They took refuge from their situation at home. If I had to flee my town and another took me in, I too would be a refugee.

    You never answered the question about whether or not you worked and paid taxes. Scum.

    But it is great having you on this forum, everyone needs a village idiot. And if you did invest in Dinars your mindset of entitlement with have you poor in a years time. Its your cycle, I deduce.

    umm.. from the merriam webster dictionary.....ref·u·gee noun \ˌre-fyu̇-ˈjē, ˈre-fyu̇-ˌ\

    Definition of REFUGEE

    : a person who flees to a foreign country or power to escape danger or persecution

  8. "one moment and cold angry that she would not just be taken as gospel the next."

    In my expert opinion, I have a word for this....It's BI-POLAR:lol: :lol:

    BELLAS....at first I thought you were a chick.......but you talk like a dude (a crude one at that)......I'm not aloud to hear the F word, so if you don't stop with that language, I'm going to have to leave this board. :unsure:

    So are you a guy or a gal?, And if you are a gal.I'm kindof picturing a very muscular one that spits a lot... one with hairy arm pits! :o

    j/k Bellas.... I love everybody! go RV!!!!!!

    WOW!!!!!!!! :o nice.......

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  9. Ok guys, look Im just sharing, this comes from an executive at BOA. Take it for what its worth. It's actually my mistake to be sharing this information. In any event check all your resources and make your own informed decision.

    DOC, BOA is based in Charlotte NC.

    wow niko...i feel like u...sometimes u think "man. I should've just kept this to myself"...you try to pass on information and someone is always there to discredit you no matter what..... :o

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  10. Can anyone explain why there were updates on the cia website on 8-16 and 8-23 regarding the GOI???

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/world-leaders-1/world-leaders-i/iraq.html

    Iraq

    Chiefs of State and Cabinet Members of Foreign Governments

    Date of Information: 8/16/2010

    Pres. Jalal TALABANI

    Vice Pres. Adil ABD AL-MAHDI

    Vice Pres. Tariq al-HASHIMI

    Prime Min. Nuri al-MALIKI

    Dep. Prime Min. Rafi al-ISSAWI

    Dep. Prime Min. Rowsch Nuri SHAWAYS

    Min. of Agriculture

    Min. of Communications Faruq ABD AL-QADIR Abd al-Rahman

    Min. of Culture Mahar Dilli al-HADITHI

    Min. of Defense ABD AL-QADIR Muhammad Jassim al-Mufriji al-Ubaydi

    Min. of Displacement & Migration Abd al-Samad SULTAN

    Min. of Education Khudayr al-KHUZAI

    Min. of Electricity

    Min. of Environment Nermin OTHMAN

    Min. of Finance Bayan Baqir JABR Sulagh al-Zubaydi

    Min. of Foreign Affairs Hoshyar Mahmud ZEBARI

    Min. of Health Salih Mahdi Mutlab al-HASNAWI

    Min. of Higher Education Abid Dhiyab al-UJAYLI

    Min. of Housing & Construction Bayan DIZAYEE

    Min. of Human Rights Wijdan Mikhail SALIM

    Min. of Industry & Minerals Fawzi al-HARIRI

    Min. of Interior Jawad Karim al-BULANI

    Min. of Justice Dara NUR AL-DIN

    Min. of Labor & Social Affairs Mahmud Muhammad Jawad al-RADI

    Min. of Municipalities & Public Works Riyadh GHARIB

    Min. of Oil Husayn al-SHAHRISTANI

    Min. of Planning Ali BABAN

    Min. of Science & Technology Raid Fahmi JAHID

    Min. of Trade

    Min. of Transportation (Acting) Shirwan Kamil Sibti al-WAILI

    Min. of Water Resources Latif RASHID

    Min. of Youth & Sports Jasim Muhammad JAFAR

    Min. of State for Civil Society Affairs Thamir Jafar al-ZUBAYDI

    Min. of State for Council of Representatives Affairs Safa al-Din al-SAFI

    Min. of State for Foreign Affairs Muhammad Munajid al-DULAYMI

    Min. of State for National Dialogue Akram al-HAKIM

    Min. of State for National Security Affairs Shirwan Kamil Sibti al-WAILI

    Min. of State for Provinces Khulud Sami Izara al-MAJUN

    Min. of State for Tourism & Antiquities Qahtan Abbas al-JABBURI

    Min. of State for Women's Affairs

    Min. of State Without Portfolio Ali Muhammad AHMAD

    Min. of State Without Portfolio Hasan Radhi Kazim al-SARI

    Min. of State Without Portfolio Muhammad Abbas al-URAYBI

    Governor, Central Bank of Iraq Sinan Muhammad Ridha al-SHABIBI

    Ambassador to the US Samir Shakir al-SUMAYDI

    Permanent Representative to the UN, New York Hamid al-BAYATI

    Posted: May 03, 2007 12:24 PM

    Last Updated: Aug 23, 2010 01:07 PM

    Last Reviewed: May 03, 2007 12:24 PM

    this info was already discussed on another post...I have already called the CIA to ask if the list is accurate because many think this is the OLD list...but it's updated twice recently????

    I know for a fact Al Maliki is in...been in....read my post "GOVT SEATED...AL MALIKI IN..RV SOON" ....i Explain everything I have been told by a very credible source :D:D

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  11. Thirty of the month of October Deadline for delivery of the smart card 2010-08-29 11:55:34 29/08/2010 11:55:34

    بغداد ( إيبا )... BAGHDAD (Iba) ... اعلنت وزارة العمل والشؤون الاجتماعية عن تحديد اخر موعدلاستلام اعانات شبكة الحماية الاجتماعية عن طريق المكاتب البريدية . Announced that the Ministry of Labour and Social Affairs to identify another Muadlastelam benefits of social protection network through post offices. وقال مدير عام دائرة الرعاية الاجتماعية المهندس عزيز ابراهيم لوكالة الصحافة المستقلة ( إيبا ) ان الدائرة مستمرة بتوزيع الاعانات للمشمولين لمحافظات ( ذي قار ، نينوى ، الانبار ، صلاح الدين ) عن طريق المصارف البريدية المعتمدة او المكاتب البريدية لغاية 30 / 10وسيتم التوزيع بعد هذا الموعد عن طريق البطاقة الذكية في المصارف . The general director of the Social Welfare Department Engineer Aziz Ibrahim, told the independent press (Iba) that the department has an ongoing distribution of subsidies of those involved to the provinces (Dhi Qar, Nineveh, Anbar, Salah al-Din) by the postal bank approved or post offices up to 30 / 10 and will be distributed after the deadline for through the smart card in the banks. . . واضاف عزيز ان اعانات الدفعة الثالثة لمحافظات ( بغداد ، كركوك ، ديالى ، بلد والدجيل ، بابل ، ميسان ، كربلاء ، النجف ، المثنى ، الديوانية ، واسط ، البصرة ) سيتم صرفها عن طريق المصارف المعتمدة لمستخدمي البطاقة الذكية حصرا. Aziz said the benefits of the third installment to the provinces (Baghdad, Kirkuk, Diyala, Balad and Dujail, Babylon, Missan, Karbala, Najaf, Muthanna, Diwaniyah, Kut, Basra) will be disbursed through banks approved for smart card users only. . . ودعا عزيز جميع المشمولين برواتب شبكة الحماية الاجتماعية لتنظيم البطاقة الذكية قبل الموعد المذكور مشيرا الى انه سيتم ايقاف اعانات المستفيدين الذين لايملكون البطاقة الذكية ايقافا احترازيا. Aziz called on all wages covered by social protection network for the organization of the smart card before that date, noting that it will stop the subsidies to beneficiaries who do not have the smart card stop and precaution. ( النهاية ) / ع /.. (End) / p / ..

    http://translate.goo...late.google.com

    good find..thanks for the post +1 go RV!!!!!!! :D

  12. I very sincerely and respectfully ask all newbies and old timers as well to please verify your info before passing it off as fact... No matter who is high up where. It's great if you also include the hyperlink to your "source". Been close to the roller coaster too long to be swayed by he said, she said... Very tiresome.

    Thank you. Have a great post RV!

    :):):)

    ok..first of all this is a rumors section...if this was God absolute fact it would be in the news section...secondly, let's say for sh*&s and giggles that my source was high up in the FBI..do ya think there would be a link? DUH! :huh:

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  13. Who said anything about ICBM? The threat was from the combination of his history of manufacturing and using WMD (we know he had them, we just don't know what he did with them) and his ties to terrorists. Prior to 9/11 we followed the containment policy which amounted to leaving him alone because as long as he was contained he was no threat. Then after 9/11 we had to reconsider since we were obviously wrong about having Bin Laden contained in Afghanistan where he would presumably pose no threat. Had we left Saddam alone and terrorists used WMD obtained from Iraq against US citizens the same people who are condemning Bush for taking action would have been calling for his impeachment for not taking action.

    Saddam came to power in Iraq prior to the Reagan administration so I don't see how you can blame Reagan. Sure, the Reagan administration backed Saddam to balance out the power in that region after the Ayatollah took over in Iran, but that wouldn't have been necessary had Jimmy Carter not sat on his hands and watched an ally of the US be overthrown by a radical muslim. Prior to Carter young people in the Arab/Muslim world wore western clothing and listened to rock music. After the Ayatollah took over in Iraq there was a worldwide move toward fundamentalism and jihad in the muslim world and fanaticism and hatred of the US and Israel exploded. So if any US president is to blame for the way things have unfolded in that part of the world I'd say it's Jimmy Carter, who incidentally was in office when Saddam came to power so when you say that we helped install Saddam I assume you're talking about Carter.

    Apparently, (I head this somewhere, maybe here, Idon't know) there were forces in Iraq before tey were allowed to be? They saw the WMDs being sent over to Syria but couldnt say anything because they were not suposed to be there yet and it would have cause more problems that way? I dunno....

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