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just want to post really quick here to ease some of the tension from the OP. iran's policy on payment for oil exports for years has been to goad its customers toward payments in anything other than usd. this is nothing new. however, up until this point in time, they have never DEMANDED none usd for their oil. far from what many believe, not ALL of the world's oil exports are paid in the petrodollar (usd) however a large percentage of the world's oil is especially the sweet crude produced by the middle east is.

by the way, does anyone have a credible news source verifying iran's new demands? i can't seem to find one.

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just want to post really quick here to ease some of the tension from the OP. iran's policy on payment for oil exports for years has been to goad its customers toward payments in anything other than usd. this is nothing new. however, up until this point in time, they have never DEMANDED none usd for their oil. far from what many believe, not ALL of the world's oil exports are paid in the petrodollar (usd) however a large percentage of the world's oil is especially the sweet crude produced by the middle east is.

by the way, does anyone have a credible news source verifying iran's new demands? i can't seem to find one.

As far as I can tell there is none. Just an opinion piece so far.

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Ah, so, then it would seem as though there is at least one player who would actually welcome such use. I don't think anyone has to really worry about Iran. Propaganda is propaganda is propaganda.

What is to stop Iran from giving its new weapon to Hamass or Hezbollah and let them detonate it? Then who is to say where they got the bomb. Iran doesn't have to detonate it themselves to have it used against Israel or the U.S.. You get one nuclear bomb, one airplane, and one idealist and you got disaster.

We had terrorist fly planes into the World Trade Center, they were mostly from Saudi Arabia, but who did we go after and why?

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Im sorry but Im not completely buying this (opinion) article. First off, the Obama administration is not a regime. This is still the United States and we do not have regimes. Second , though this article has factual aspects , it is being distorted and is more provocative than relaying what is the actual truth. Russia is more concerned about Irans enrichment of Uranium . Though I myself am concerned about what is really going on I am reluctant to believe what this article is saying. It is true that we could have a conflict on the horizon but remember , that the first casualty in war is the truth.

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Be careful as you read this. We, as a nation, give way too much heed to the desires of the Israeli government that wants to control that region for their protection, and thus tries to control our government through the Israeli Lobby. They want us to strike Iran. Articles such as these are part of that propaganda, I would bet. Israel wants the US to strike the nuclear plants in Iran and get us into a war with Iran for their protection so that Iran will not strike them.

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It seems that we have both missed each others points then... I never stated in my original post that Iran would use a nuclear weapon on Israel even if and when they might posses them. Or in vice versa. No countries would willingly move first with such high stakes. Unless such country was pushed to the brink of no return. Even then, in a nuclear war no one wins.

My original point still remains though. NO country is going to use these types of weapons at any point unless they have nothing else to fight for.

Iran will build one and ooops we lost it!! Whos got it? Israel couldnt take one nuclear explosion, iran could survive with many more!

Its getting nasty and the winner is unclear at this time

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Pls read the ninth line of the third paragraph . This is the epidomy of what Obama gas been methodically doing . Please please vote this socialist dictator out , before we are no more . This is nothing to be joking about and not taking seriously . I love to joke but we have to get our house in Oder . This old marine knows about getting an act together fast . You all better learn real fast . Hey go rv and all that but if this continues , all that monie will not be yours , it will be the governments , obamas . We are way way too complacent and trusting . Trust yourselves only not this existing covert malicious government . Get rid of this tyrant Obama . Look up quotes by hitler then think about the slow methodical moves Obama has made sometimes in the wee hours of the nite . Vote people , vote . Vote this dictator out . I hope we have a year before **** hits the fan ..... Romney is my choice if we make it that far . This old marine knows. Do you? Semper Fi ......

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I hear you, Brother.

I don't know what to do to get the rothsdads of the world to understand how dangerous iran truly is.

I get tired of people defending that regime and the one we currently have in the White house.

.

Us old war horses get accused of being sabre rattlers, paranoid war mongers, crazy old soldiers who love war...

ever think it's because we might know how truly dangerous it is out there for them and their children?

SO many folks arein for a rude awakening!

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Nothing wrong with being big, right, and generous. Little men with their little minds, with little slimy hands that like to grab, steal and protest with little whiny voices have been trying to avoid personal responsibility from the day they stole their first pacifier. Nothing new about it; cowards and riffraff trying to grab something someone else built. In the end they find out by the ill-gotten acquisition of the substance of others blood, sweat and tears quickly turns to rust, dust and fingerprint powder in their hands. Indicted once again by their own folly they stand convicted on the plateaus of time soon to be swept away by the prevailing winds of human perseverance and morality as another big, right and generous people build a culture and a nation.

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Deep.

We can't roll over and sleep in, folks.

Time to wake up and smell the coffee.

2-bit dicktaters (whether here or there) are a danger to the whole world, not just their own regions. They are the cancerous tumours that grow and grow if not cut out...

Look around you,

... are you willing to stand up and fight for what you have, what you want for your children or will you

roll over with well-intentioned ideology about rainbows & unicorns and that bit about "aw, we should butt out of their business" ?

That kind of head-in-the-sand jargon is as dangerous as what they're up to because it's just as delusional.

And they'll have you doing THEIR bidding before you know what hit you, too. (current administraton= perfect example - did anybody ever think when they went to the polls a few years ago that they would be contributing to the downfall of Our Country?! )...

I'm more concerned with peace than with my dinar, but if they are my dinar, i'm willing to smite those who'll take them from me!

Hell, they won't wheel THIS old soldier into some bulls--t fema camp without a fight! :mad:

What is to stop Iran from giving its new weapon to Hamass or Hezbollah and let them detonate it? Then who is to say where they got the bomb. Iran doesn't have to detonate it themselves to have it used against Israel or the U.S.. You get one nuclear bomb, one airplane, and one idealist and you got disaster.

We had terrorist fly planes into the World Trade Center, they were mostly from Saudi Arabia, but who did we go after and why?

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Vigilance, my friend, vigilance...

They don't have to be as close as the coast of Venezuela to do great harm...

Iran gives war toys to chavez or any of their other like-minded pals, & the world's got a serious problem! <_<

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Did anyone bother to follow the link to see where this "news" came from? No, and you just believed it. It is a blog. Please go there so you can make a donation and click thru on Google ads.

This is an opinion piece and should be moved to the appropriate area.

And by the way, would any of the believers like to expound on the condition of Russia currently, and how ready they are for WWIII. Anybody?

Geez, I miss Dalite.

Geez, I miss Dalite too. sad.gif A voice of reason. Please!

These are my words...

Fear breeds Fear...Violence breeds Violence... I knew that when we went into Iraq... my heart sank.

Are we not tired and done yet??? Do we really want to seek out more problems from Iran? or whomever?

I honor every one of our young men that went there and survived such a hard won battle...tip_hat.gif

We still do not have our boy's home from Afganastan... God Speed! emot-hug.gif

I am not against war...I am not against anyone or anything... I am simply for more Peace within our own country and thoughout the world. smile.gif Perhaps it starts within the US. (or us) ???

Do we choose more fear... more violence? or maybe we choose a different path...

One of Power through Wisdom and Peace.

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Nothing like Billions of people killing each other at the behest of a few banks arguing over which worthless piece of paper is not-as-worthless as the rest... Time for a Global Reset Button... we don't need a Dinar Reval - We need an Ethics and Morality Reval!!!! It is no wonder that fundamentalist Islam is taking hold - It is the NEW Christianity... If you think Martin Luther was upset at Pope Leo - just imagine how he is rolling in his grave over the way we have become!

What a great world we've given my grandchildren - NOT!

In My Old Humble Opinion...

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I think I understand your reaction. But I believe you might look deeper into what's behind your own words. Islam is taking hold because spiritually starving people find it an alternative to ego centered materialism. Loose living and godlessness followed by a puritanical backlash of ultra-conservatism. The pattern repeats endlessly. As you've noticed yourself in your reference to Luther. And it doesn't much matter which religions or cultures are involved. Sparta and Greece. That human pattern is found all over the world and all through time. But look deeper and you'll find that the major media are now owned by Arabs. An obvious shift in editorial bias has been taking place for many years. We are being encouraged to hate our own culture, hate the

Judeo-Christian heritage and favor mideast culture, favor Islam. So when you see articles about our controlled media, take it with a grain of salt when they claim the government or the banks are the ones doing the controlling. It's more complicated than that.

You obviously love your grandchildren. I'm sure you can realize that no matter what our country's errors and challenges you might prefer them to grow up as free Americans rather than financial and cultural dependents on Iran. We can't allow this. Not because we're the biggest gorilla and we decide where to sleep, but because of that ethics and morality button you mentioned. Morality requires that we stop those people from destroying the 'West.' Look at their civilizations over the past thousand years. To gage the morality of a culture look at how they treat their weakest. How do Islamic nations measure up in their treatment of women, the standards in their prisons and mental hospitals, their treatment of the elderly? I'll take the good ol' USA any day.

Be careful as you read this. We, as a nation, give way too much heed to the desires of the Israeli government that wants to control that region for their protection, and thus tries to control our government through the Israeli Lobby. They want us to strike Iran. Articles such as these are part of that propaganda, I would bet. Israel wants the US to strike the nuclear plants in Iran and get us into a war with Iran for their protection so that Iran will not strike them.

How and why is protecting our closest ally in the region from an anti-humanist government like Iran a bad thing?unsure.gif

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I hear you, Brother.

I don't know what to do to get the rothsdads of the world to understand how dangerous iran truly is.

I get tired of people defending that regime and the one we currently have in the White house.

.

Us old war horses get accused of being sabre rattlers, paranoid war mongers, crazy old soldiers who love war...

ever think it's because we might know how truly dangerous it is out there for them and their children?

SO many folks arein for a rude awakening!

Thanks for being there. Of course Iran is a nightmare waiting to happen so far as Israel or our interests in the region are concerned.

I assure you Jewish-Americans are very aware of the threat of Iran and the betrayals of Obama. If this article is more than just propaganda intended to demoralize us, I don't see how we can let them do this. I want peace too, but not peace at any cost.

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Perhaps it is due to the late hour of my post that I did not get a reply...

It is morning now soooo... Bring It On Poke Salad Annie!!!

I am weary of people hating... not just here... not just across America... I am sick of people hating other nations for maybe just being different... for Gods Sake do we need another War?

.

I am weary of seeing the hatred for our own President... if you don't own him as "Your President" then MOVE!

I was raised differently than you were Annie... I was taught to be greatful for where I came from and to respect my leaders.

I put up with Bush (who IMHO lied a lot) now suck it up!

We need to come together and help one another out of this mess.

"United We Stand... Devided We Fall"

I do not like your song Missy!

I Am A Proud American!

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Im sorry but Im not completely buying this (opinion) article. First off, the Obama administration is not a regime. This is still the United States and we do not have regimes. Second , though this article has factual aspects , it is being distorted and is more provocative than relaying what is the actual truth. Russia is more concerned about Irans enrichment of Uranium . Though I myself am concerned about what is really going on I am reluctant to believe what this article is saying. It is true that we could have a conflict on the horizon but remember , that the first casualty in war is the truth.

Right on.

Geez, I miss Dalite too. sad.gif A voice of reason. Please!

These are my words...

Fear breeds Fear...Violence breeds Violence... I knew that when we went into Iraq... my heart sank.

Are we not tired and done yet??? Do we really want to seek out more problems from Iran? or whomever?

I honor every one of our young men that went there and survived such a hard won battle...tip_hat.gif

We still do not have our boy's home from Afganastan... God Speed! emot-hug.gif

I am not against war...I am not against anyone or anything... I am simply for more Peace within our own country and thoughout the world. smile.gif Perhaps it starts within the US. (or us) ???

Do we choose more fear... more violence? or maybe we choose a different path...

One of Power through Wisdom and Peace.

...and make sure those less wise know you carry a big stick...

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Just another scare tactic......pretty effective by the response of most. Don't forget one huge factor.....IF THE US GOES INTO DEPRESSION, SO DOES THE WORLD ECONOMY INCLUDING CHINA. If the dollar fails, the economy crashes and nobody has any money.....who is going to buy all the junk made in China, Korea, Taiwan, India, Japan and Mexico? No one, that's who......there goes the economy of those countries right down the same toilet as ours. ;)

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Yes! Bury your head in the sand and assume everyone will act right. Ron Paul is almost as scary as O

Why is he scary? I am more alert to the happening in this world than you ever will be. I have been around the world and been to many 3world countries as well as well established countries. I have done more research than the common person in the US. So if you are going to say i bury my head in the sand, you better bring proof. RP2012

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I hear you, Brother.

I don't know what to do to get the rothsdads of the world to understand how dangerous iran truly is.

I get tired of people defending that regime and the one we currently have in the White house.

.

Us old war horses get accused of being sabre rattlers, paranoid war mongers, crazy old soldiers who love war...

ever think it's because we might know how truly dangerous it is out there for them and their children?

SO many folks arein for a rude awakening!

How dangerous is Iran really, Sgt? You see, I've been to Iran and NEVER have I met kinder, more innocent people. Thanks to sanctions imposed by the West they are dirt poor, but their hospitality was such that they wouldn't even let the 'foreigner' pay for things in shops! I realise that your hatred of the middle-east comes from the hostility they expressed to you, but you went as an aggressor what would you expect in such circumstances, a hug?

Here are some real facts about Iran's history and why it is treated like a pariah by both Britain and America.

p.s if you are someone who cannot bear any criticism of the state of Israel pls start the video at 1.50.

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Poke Salad Annie, you asked why it is a bad idea to protect Israel from an anti-humanist government in Iran. Our media does not show what Israel does to the non-Jew in the West Bank and in Israel. We are fed that it is a democracy. I have visited there many times and spent time with the Jews who are trying to raise the issues of discrimination against the Bedouins who have been shoved onto a toxic dump in the Negev south of Jerusalem. There are Palestinian homes in East Jerusalem that are being bulldozed. 25% of children, women, adult men in the West Bank are imprisoned in their lifetime and can be taken off the street for nothing. In the West Bank roads are built that only Jews can travel on with white license plates....apartheid. Palestinian Christians and Muslims are cut off from their water, land, homes, jobs, schools, hospitals, families by the Wall and these roads. Arabs in Israel are given water once per week to store in tanks on top of their houses while Jews in settlements have water for pools, bushes and gardens 24/7 in the West Bank. Over 20,000 buildings including hospitals and schools were bombed in Gaza and now there is a blockade by Israel on medical and building supplies stopping all boats from bringing them in to Gaza. Americans need to look deeper. This is NOT a DEMOCRACY that we say we are supporting. Do not be tricked into supporting another war on behalf of Israel. It is not in Israel's best interest to support her behaviors that get her hated in her neighborhood. The best protection for the Jews there is to encourage that government to act with justice toward its citizens and the Palestinians. That means cutting off our funding of this government until it acts in just ways. We provide billions per year to Israel that supports the military acting in these ways and building the Wall. You must think what that does to the neighbors around Israel as they see us talk about bringing democracy to the region. It is bringing an Occupation to people who used to live in the full area of the land in 1948

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Perhaps it is due to the late hour of my post that I did not get a reply...

It is morning now soooo... Bring It On Poke Salad Annie!!!

I am weary of people hating... not just here... not just across America... I am sick of people hating other nations for maybe just being different... for Gods Sake do we need another War?

.

I am weary of seeing the hatred for our own President... if you don't own him as "Your President" then MOVE!

I was raised differently than you were Annie... I was taught to be greatful for where I came from and to respect my leaders.

I put up with Bush (who IMHO lied a lot) now suck it up!

We need to come together and help one another out of this mess.

"United We Stand... Devided We Fall"

I do not like your song Missy!

I Am A Proud American!

Beautifully stated Maggie123.

Why can't we, meaning the whole world let go of the hate. :(

We have to let go... in order for us to see good come to pass for our grandchildren.

Sad that something so simple is so hard to accomplish.

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Perhaps it is due to the late hour of my post that I did not get a reply...

It is morning now soooo... Bring It On Poke Salad Annie!!!

I am weary of people hating... not just here... not just across America... I am sick of people hating other nations for maybe just being different... for Gods Sake do we need another War?

.

I am weary of seeing the hatred for our own President... if you don't own him as "Your President" then MOVE!

I was raised differently than you were Annie... I was taught to be greatful for where I came from and to respect my leaders.

I put up with Bush (who IMHO lied a lot) now suck it up!

We need to come together and help one another out of this mess.

"United We Stand... Devided We Fall"

I do not like your song Missy!

I Am A Proud American!

I totally agree with you!n That's the irony! You seem to have missed my point. I am totally supportive of our country. I might vote for a different leader, but I don't hate him. But he did lie to his Jewish constituency about his intentions towards Israel and that is a betrayal. I should be free to recognize that as a citizen without being accused of treason.

We are not perfect, but the west is the most humanely evolved culture on the planet at this time. Enemies who want to teach us to hate ourselves have nothing but worse transgressions to point to in their own cultures. It is in the support of a humanistic world that we have to resist cultures that openly embrace fatalistic attitudes towards the unacceptable, and instead, like he Judeo-Christian tradition, emphasize free will and the power to improve things. Jews, Christians and Muslims all worship the same God. But Islam has embraced fatalism and we see where that has gotten them in terms of what they find acceptable. While we can and should embrace our commonalities and brotherhood before our shared Father, we should never abandon the spiritual and human strengths we've learned in our own cultural evolution that has taken us in a different religious vector than our desert kinsmen.

Poke Salad Annie, you asked why it is a bad idea to protect Israel from an anti-humanist government in Iran. Our media does not show what Israel does to the non-Jew in the West Bank and in Israel. We are fed that it is a democracy. I have visited there many times and spent time with the Jews who are trying to raise the issues of discrimination against the Bedouins who have been shoved onto a toxic dump in the Negev south of Jerusalem. There are Palestinian homes in East Jerusalem that are being bulldozed. 25% of children, women, adult men in the West Bank are imprisoned in their lifetime and can be taken off the street for nothing. In the West Bank roads are built that only Jews can travel on with white license plates....apartheid. Palestinian Christians and Muslims are cut off from their water, land, homes, jobs, schools, hospitals, families by the Wall and these roads. Arabs in Israel are given water once per week to store in tanks on top of their houses while Jews in settlements have water for pools, bushes and gardens 24/7 in the West Bank. Over 20,000 buildings including hospitals and schools were bombed in Gaza and now there is a blockade by Israel on medical and building supplies stopping all boats from bringing them in to Gaza. Americans need to look deeper. This is NOT a DEMOCRACY that we say we are supporting. Do not be tricked into supporting another war on behalf of Israel. It is not in Israel's best interest to support her behaviors that get her hated in her neighborhood. The best protection for the Jews there is to encourage that government to act with justice toward its citizens and the Palestinians. That means cutting off our funding of this government until it acts in just ways. We provide billions per year to Israel that supports the military acting in these ways and building the Wall. You must think what that does to the neighbors around Israel as they see us talk about bringing democracy to the region. It is bringing an Occupation to people who used to live in the full area of the land in 1948

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