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Obama Failed Iraq

24/12/2011 01:34:00 By HIWA OSMAN

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The Republicans could easily win the next election: All they would need to do is focus on Iraq, specifically President Obama's decision to withdraw and hand the country to Iran, its militias and anti-American forces.

It seems that given the anti-American nature of Iraq’s Arab population, nothing was built during America's presence in Iraq. This is simply because they either did not believe in America, did not take them seriously or hated the United States and just wanted to fool them into believing that they were listening.

Just a few days after President Obama declared that Iraq was stable and secure, a real crisis is prevailing both politically and in terms of security. The main reason for this is the very first issue that everyone in the new Iraq seems to be working on – the trust between the Shia and the Sunnis, which today amounts to zero.

The working relationship between the two has always been a problem and it seems that it will continue for some time.

It’s clear from what we’re seeing these days that US efforts to mend the relationship between the two has proven futile. Both sides tried to use the United States for their own agenda while the US thought that they were building a nation.

In listening to the Kurds as well, it seems the US hasn’t done much to create a true and sustainable relationship between the Kurds and the Arabs. It seems that its indecisiveness has sent the wrong messages to both people.

The country won’t only be an arena of conflict between the local communities, but it also runs the risk of being an arena for regional conflicts between the Shia and Sunnis, and between Iran and the USA.

As a result, the US presence seems to have created many problems for the people of Iraq and their neighbours, especially American allies. The irony is that the only countries that have better relations with the Iraqi state are those which are the enemies of the US. Those closest to Iraq today are Iran and Syria. Iraq today is practically a regional pariah.

The initial signs of the post-America Iraq are emerging. Already, the Sunni-Shia conflict is resuming between the Iraqiya and the National Alliance bloc.

Amid all of this, the Kurds need to position themselves very carefully. They need to be cautious not to slip into an Arab-Kurdish conflict.

It’s quite clear clear that the mistrust between the two groups has never changed. Since the new Iraq was born, the two have become true enemies. The last three years of Obama does not seem to have changed that.

The behavior of Iraq’s ruling parties clearly shows that the withdrawal has created a golden opportunity for them to secure their power. The Kurds as well should do whatever they want -- or can -- to shape a new reality.

Obama can’t be re-elected, and if he is it will be a fiasco. Either way, the Republicans have a good case to argue against President Obama's judgment on Iraq.

http://www.rudaw.net/english/science/columnists/4256.html

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Obama Failed Iraq

24/12/2011 01:34:00 By HIWA OSMAN

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The Republicans could easily win the next election: All they would need to do is focus on Iraq, specifically President Obama's decision to withdraw and hand the country to Iran, its militias and anti-American forces.

It seems that given the anti-American nature of Iraq’s Arab population, nothing was built during America's presence in Iraq. This is simply because they either did not believe in America, did not take them seriously or hated the United States and just wanted to fool them into believing that they were listening.

Just a few days after President Obama declared that Iraq was stable and secure, a real crisis is prevailing both politically and in terms of security. The main reason for this is the very first issue that everyone in the new Iraq seems to be working on – the trust between the Shia and the Sunnis, which today amounts to zero.

The working relationship between the two has always been a problem and it seems that it will continue for some time.

It’s clear from what we’re seeing these days that US efforts to mend the relationship between the two has proven futile. Both sides tried to use the United States for their own agenda while the US thought that they were building a nation.

In listening to the Kurds as well, it seems the US hasn’t done much to create a true and sustainable relationship between the Kurds and the Arabs. It seems that its indecisiveness has sent the wrong messages to both people.

The country won’t only be an arena of conflict between the local communities, but it also runs the risk of being an arena for regional conflicts between the Shia and Sunnis, and between Iran and the USA.

As a result, the US presence seems to have created many problems for the people of Iraq and their neighbours, especially American allies. The irony is that the only countries that have better relations with the Iraqi state are those which are the enemies of the US. Those closest to Iraq today are Iran and Syria. Iraq today is practically a regional pariah.

The initial signs of the post-America Iraq are emerging. Already, the Sunni-Shia conflict is resuming between the Iraqiya and the National Alliance bloc.

Amid all of this, the Kurds need to position themselves very carefully. They need to be cautious not to slip into an Arab-Kurdish conflict.

It’s quite clear clear that the mistrust between the two groups has never changed. Since the new Iraq was born, the two have become true enemies. The last three years of Obama does not seem to have changed that.

The behavior of Iraq’s ruling parties clearly shows that the withdrawal has created a golden opportunity for them to secure their power. The Kurds as well should do whatever they want -- or can -- to shape a new reality.

Obama can’t be re-elected, and if he is it will be a fiasco. Either way, the Republicans have a good case to argue against President Obama's judgment on Iraq.

http://www.rudaw.net...nists/4256.html

Your article is well done and factual but I would bet all of my dinar, which is a sizeable about, he will buy the election again. And after that he will change the 27th amendment so he can be elected the third time……. Just wait and see.

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Although the last election was bought...people can now see him for who he is, even the ones that voted for him. He won't make it. Look at what he has done (very little), more what he has undone.

The fact that Iraq would not allow immunity for our troops to me justifies not staying in Iraq.

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There are so many reasons that Obama should be handing the Republicans a golden opportunity for a big win, however, never underestimate the Republicans penchant for shooting themselves in the foot. As a conservative, I truly hope the Repubs can get out of their own way and put up a candidate that can end this national nightmare.

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Awesome to see how many people here seem to forget the preceding 8 years prior to when Obama took office and how much he really has done.

And on that note, who would the Republicans put out there to beat the incumbent President whose presidency found Bin Laden?

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Awesome to see how many people here seem to forget the preceding 8 years prior to when Obama took office and how much he really has done.

And on that note, who would the Republicans put out there to beat the incumbent President whose presidency found Bin Laden?

Osama was dead around 2003 from kidney failure. That lie they created to get the populations attention off the fake birth certificate. Obama and his regime did not take Osama out, you can take that to the bank. America has a host of deceivers in the whitehouse, congress, and the senate. The only man that can beat Obama is Ron Paul, and the establishment are running scared right now, because their gig is about up.

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Awesome to see how many people here seem to forget the preceding 8 years prior to when Obama took office and how much he really has done.

And on that note, who would the Republicans put out there to beat the incumbent President whose presidency found Bin Laden?

The good some men do oft lift with him but the bad is deterred with his bones.smile.gif

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Osama was dead around 2003 from kidney failure. That lie they created to get the populations attention off the fake birth certificate. Obama and his regime did not take Osama out, you can take that to the bank. America has a host of deceivers in the whitehouse, congress, and the senate. The only man that can beat Obama is Ron Paul, and the establishment are running scared right now, because their gig is about up.

Is there any conspiracy theory nonsense that you DON'T believe in? Moon landing? Cattle mutilations?

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Obama Failed Iraq

24/12/2011 01:34:00 By HIWA OSMAN

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The Republicans could easily win the next election: All they would need to do is focus on Iraq, specifically President Obama's decision to withdraw and hand the country to Iran, its militias and anti-American forces.

It seems that given the anti-American nature of Iraq’s Arab population, nothing was built during America's presence in Iraq. This is simply because they either did not believe in America, did not take them seriously or hated the United States and just wanted to fool them into believing that they were listening.

Just a few days after President Obama declared that Iraq was stable and secure, a real crisis is prevailing both politically and in terms of security. The main reason for this is the very first issue that everyone in the new Iraq seems to be working on – the trust between the Shia and the Sunnis, which today amounts to zero.

The working relationship between the two has always been a problem and it seems that it will continue for some time.

It’s clear from what we’re seeing these days that US efforts to mend the relationship between the two has proven futile. Both sides tried to use the United States for their own agenda while the US thought that they were building a nation.

In listening to the Kurds as well, it seems the US hasn’t done much to create a true and sustainable relationship between the Kurds and the Arabs. It seems that its indecisiveness has sent the wrong messages to both people.

The country won’t only be an arena of conflict between the local communities, but it also runs the risk of being an arena for regional conflicts between the Shia and Sunnis, and between Iran and the USA.

As a result, the US presence seems to have created many problems for the people of Iraq and their neighbours, especially American allies. The irony is that the only countries that have better relations with the Iraqi state are those which are the enemies of the US. Those closest to Iraq today are Iran and Syria. Iraq today is practically a regional pariah.

The initial signs of the post-America Iraq are emerging. Already, the Sunni-Shia conflict is resuming between the Iraqiya and the National Alliance bloc.

Amid all of this, the Kurds need to position themselves very carefully. They need to be cautious not to slip into an Arab-Kurdish conflict.

It’s quite clear clear that the mistrust between the two groups has never changed. Since the new Iraq was born, the two have become true enemies. The last three years of Obama does not seem to have changed that.

The behavior of Iraq’s ruling parties clearly shows that the withdrawal has created a golden opportunity for them to secure their power. The Kurds as well should do whatever they want -- or can -- to shape a new reality.

Obama can’t be re-elected, and if he is it will be a fiasco. Either way, the Republicans have a good case to argue against President Obama's judgment on Iraq.

http://www.rudaw.net...nists/4256.html

he has followed the bush calender of executed signed bill of events next bush bill dec.31 2011 all troops are in a none occupied state contractual training and special ops security remains prob. 3,000 none military will staff the new changing Iraqi needs O follows orders easy enough.

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Your article is well done and factual but I would bet all of my dinar, which is a sizeable about, he will buy the election again. And after that he will change the 27th amendment so he can be elected the third time……. Just wait and see.

Ain't gonna happen I feel you but American's are not gonna let that happen.

Awesome to see how many people here seem to forget the preceding 8 years prior to when Obama took office and how much he really has done.

And on that note, who would the Republicans put out there to beat the incumbent President whose presidency found Bin Laden?

I guess your a member of Acorn

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I love it when people forget/omit or just straight out lie about something just to try to make a valid point where there is none.

Obama failed Iraq because we pulled out?? For those that have no memory or that live misinformed, George W. bush signed the U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement (official name: "Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq On the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of Their Activities during Their Temporary Presence in Iraq) or in short US- Iraq SOFA agreement, which was signed December 14, 2008.

If you read Article 24 Withdrawal of the United States Forces from Iraq you will read this

Recognizing the performance and increasing capacity of the Iraqi Security Forces, the

assumption of full security responsibility by those Forces, and based upon the strong

relationship between the Parties, an agreement on the following has been reached:

1. All the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory no later than

December 31, 2011.

read below

US Iraq SOFA Agreement

Many also ignore, and try to deny that the current administration was trying to negotiate our staying in Iraq, what was the problem???? Simple the Iraqi political leaders didn’t want to risk the political consequences of extending immunity for U.S. troops. So tell me who in their right mind would leave our troops where they did not want them and where they would not have immiunity???

Sorry, but I have to do it , I call BS based on the Sofa agreement and to the fact that the Iraqui politicians did not want us there.

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I love it when people forget/omit or just straight out lie about something just to try to make a valid point where there is none.

Obama failed Iraq because we pulled out?? For those that have no memory or that live misinformed, George W. bush signed the U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement (official name: "Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq On the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of Their Activities during Their Temporary Presence in Iraq) or in short US- Iraq SOFA agreement, which was signed December 14, 2008.

If you read Article 24 Withdrawal of the United States Forces from Iraq you will read this

read below

US Iraq SOFA Agreement

Many also ignore, and try to deny that the current administration was trying to negotiate our staying in Iraq, what was the problem???? Simple the Iraqi political leaders didn’t want to risk the political consequences of extending immunity for U.S. troops. So tell me who in their right mind would leave our troops where they did not want them and where they would not have immiunity???

Sorry, but I have to do it , I call BS based on the Sofa agreement and to the fact that the Iraqui politicians did not want us there.

You are exactly right WeaponX. This is the same point I've made several times before. Especially, when Obama keeps taking credit for 'ending the war as he promised'. He did try to extend our stay, but failed in negotiating the protections of our troops. He can't have it both ways. He can't take credit for the withdrawal and then when it falls apart, blame Bush. If he wants credit for the withdrawal, then he gets credit for the failure as well.

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You are exactly right WeaponX. This is the same point I've made several times before. Especially, when Obama keeps taking credit for 'ending the war as he promised'. He did try to extend our stay, but failed in negotiating the protections of our troops. He can't have it both ways. He can't take credit for the withdrawal and then when it falls apart, blame Bush. If he wants credit for the withdrawal, then he gets credit for the failure as well.

I have never seen him blame Bush, and neither am I. All I am doing is making a real statement with proof, Obama did not fail Iraq our departure was scheduled, the fact that the Iraqui GOI was not willing to give any troops immunity is not either presidents faults either.

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Obama did not decide to leave Iraq. He was forced to withdraw troops because Iraq would not give immunity to them any longer past Dec. 12. It was George W. Bush that set this date. Please, please read and listen to media that will inform you instead of these lies you spin. These are difficult times and we need a populace that has actually thought about and read about what is really going on. Those who watch Fox News actually are the least informed of those who watch the media. It is spin and propaganda much of the time trying to make us afraid so we will vote against our own best interest in favor of the 1% who have gained over 200% in income per year over the last 30 years. The reason our president has not been able to make much change is because people in the Congress held back that change. If you want to see the positive changes happen vote him in and a congress that supports his ideas so we no longer have this circus going on there with the Tea Party out. The party of "No" will not help us get to a better way of functioning in our nation that needs to pull together.

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