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'Same-sex unions' called 'destructive'

'We are convinced natural family, marriage, and birth and rearing of children are linked'

Posted: November 27, 2011 8:16 pm Eastern By Bob Unruh © 2011 WND

More than 80 non-governmental organizations and experts have endorsed a statement that describes alternatives to a husband-and-wife family, "particularly … same-sex unions" as "socially destructive."

"We are convinced that the natural family, marriage, and birth and rearing of children are inseparably linked to each other. Artificial separation of the birth and rearing of children from the natural family, family life, and marriage violates the genuine rights of the child and leads to the destruction of any society."

The powerful statement in support of the traditional family comes from more than 80 NGOs and experts who assembled in St. Petersburg, Russia, recently for a series of public hearings to address concerns about a draft recommendation offered by the Council of Europe on children's and parental rights.

According to officials with the Home School Legal Defense Association, who monitor such statements on the important issue of the definition of family, the result of the meeting was to raise a concern about the "destructive tendencies" of the document "which purported to create policy on the rights and legal status of children and parental responsibilities.

"This is just another example of non-governmental organizations [Council of Europe] attempting to increase the power of the state over individual citizens and families and to advance a radical agenda," the American-based organization said. "HSLDA applauds the work of these pro-family groups and agrees with their concerns. This demonstrates why it is critically important to pass a parental rights amendment to the United States Constitution and to be vigilant in the defense of our own freedoms."

It cited the concerns from the 80-plus organizations, who stated," [We] categorically object to the possible approval of the Draft Recommendation … If the representatives of the Council of Europe take action to approve this Draft Recommendation or any similar document, such action could be regarded as destructive for the traditional culture of Russia, including the Russian traditions of family life and child-rearing."

The HSLDA said the Council of Europe "is an independent European organization whose website states that it exists to protect the principles enshrined in the European Convention of Human Rights, a document that recognizes marriage in Article 12 and parental rights in Protocol 1, Article 2."

But it noted the draft resolution "promotes an alternative view of the family and would seek to increase the power of the state over families and children."

It quoted Pavel Parfentiev, chairman of a Russian family advocacy organization, explaining, "We hope that COE representatives and other national authorities will take into consideration the positions presented in the resolution, being the consolidated voice of the civil society of the Russian Federation and Ukraine."

The statement from the 80 organizations was definitive:

"We are strongly convinced, that the natural (traditional) family, inscribed in human nature, and based on the voluntary union of a man and a woman in a lifelong covenant of marriage, intended for the birth and upbringing of children, is 'the natural and fundamental group unit of society' (Art. 16 (3) of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights). Its place in the history and in the life of each human society is absolutely unique, and no other form of domestic relationship can be regarded as having equal status and value. Any attempt to provide the equal status to any other form of domestic relationship, particularly to same-sex unions, is socially destructive."

The organizations said, "We are convinced that children have a natural right to be born into their natural (traditional) family, from a married man and woman, and to live with their parents, that is with their natural mother and father, receiving from them the upbringing and example of life, including that of family life, conforming to human nature."

Members expressed serious concern "about the actions of some international organizations, that, during recent years, acting contrary to the interests of the sovereign peoples and manipulating the notion of 'human rights,' have artificially created so-called rights that were previously unknown and did not have any foundation in human nature and in the nature of the society, such as 'the right to choose sexual orientation and gender identity.'"

They continued, "It causes serious angst that, when trying to attain their destructive aims, these groups seek to use the resources of authoritative international organizations, such as the United Nations and the Council of Europe. Using opaque and far from genuinely democratic procedures, and masking their true designs with the eloquent words, they attempt to induce authoritative international organizations into approving documents that worsen the condition of the natural family in the various states, leading to the family's (and by extension the states') gradual destruction."

Such moves have been pushed through in the United States in recent years, where judges in several locations simply have imposed same-sex "marriage" on society. Mostly recently, the homosexual lobby in Congress rammed through its plan to encourage open homosexuality in the military ranks despite documented concerns over its negative impact on the nation's military power.

The Russian organizations appeared to want no such "advances."

"We have a great concern over the fact that today, under the pretexts of defending so-called sexual minorities' rights and children's rights under an unreasonably broad nterpretation with the support of the UN and the Council of Europe, the traditional culture of family life (which includes rearing children in that context) is being systematically destroyed for many peoples, including the Russian people."

The statement continued, "We have to regard it as a form of ideological violence, violating the right of our sovereign people to preserve its cultural identity and its traditions of family life and child-rearing."

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To think that two loving adults, no matter of what sex, cannot bring up a child that is a social benefit to mankind, is simply preposterous. This is one of the most idiotic, irrational, bias and uninformed postings that has ever been posted. It is so stupid that anyone reading your post is dumber for having read it.

If it was worthy of a debate, I’ll slap you silly with facts, but it’s frankly not even worth my time to further denounce.

I'm a person that cares about other human beings regarless of their sexual preference, race, religon or creed...you Sir, must be the other guy! :angry:

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To think that two loving adults, no matter of what sex, cannot bring up a child that is a social benefit to mankind, is simply preposterous. This is one of the most idiotic, irrational, bias and uninformed postings that has ever been posted. It is so stupid that anyone reading your post is dumber for having read it.

If it was worthy of a debate, I’ll slap you silly with facts, but it’s frankly not even worth my time to further denounce.

I'm a person that cares about other human beings regarless of their sexual preference, race, religon or creed...you Sir, must be the other guy! :angry:

I gave ya a big ole plus for this!!!!

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To think that two loving adults, no matter of what sex, cannot bring up a child that is a social benefit to mankind, is simply preposterous. This is one of the most idiotic, irrational, bias and uninformed postings that has ever been posted. It is so stupid that anyone reading your post is dumber for having read it.

If it was worthy of a debate, I’ll slap you silly with facts, but it’s frankly not even worth my time to further denounce.

I'm a person that cares about other human beings regarless of their sexual preference, race, religon or creed...you Sir, must be the other guy! :angry:

I gave you a HUGE plus for this. I am so sick of people who are threatened by same sex couples. What is wrong with love between two consenting adults and the desire to raise a family? Ignorance is out of control. I know some to the most loving families that are same sex partners with children and the children are excelling in life. There are so many other things that are a destructive force against the family such as abuse, drugs, infidelity and neglect that are far more important to a child's welfare...love is love...no matter who it's between. Deal with it!

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cho,

I have no idea if you really believe this or if you were just putting it out there for public comment, but I do know you made someone that I care about very angry today. While you may not care, I do and would ask that you please refrain from making such rash postings in the future. In parting, here are a few words that may make you think twice before doing so again:

Straight Americans need… an education of the heart and soul. They must understand – to begin with – how it can feel to spend years denying your own deepest truths, to sit silently through classes, meals, and church services while people you love toss off remarks that brutalize your soul. – Bruce Bawer

From one of the Greatest Humanitarians of our time and a dam good salad dressing maker to boot:

I’m a supporter of G A Y rights. And not a closet supporter either. From the time I was a kid, I have never been able to understand attacks upon the *** community. There are so many qualities that make up a human being… by the time I get through with all the things that I really admire about people, what they do with their private parts is probably so low on the list that it is irrelevant. – Paul Newman

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Tiff, steveinfla & jwd1978. (Hope I got the last name correct) :). Huge hugs and plus one to all of you. The original post is the most ill informed thing I have read in a long time. Do gooders who have a great lack of knowledge and facts ! Here in the U. K. It has been legal for several years now for same sex couple to be married in a civil ceremony. I have been a guest at several of these wedding and it is a very memorable, loving experience just as a wedding between a man and a woman is. I know many same sex couples with kids and they are perfectly normal kids just the same as any other kid. In fact in some cases they are probably "more" normal because their minds are not "closed" as some kids can be. They are accepting of people as they find them regardless of race, religion or sexuality. They are intelligent , respectful young adults who contribute greatly to their community. People. NEED to understand that a person who is *** / lesbian is NOT "corrupted " into being this way! They are BORN this way and usually know from a very young age. How would any of you people on this site feel if you think this is so terrible, if one of your own children was *** and was too afraid to tell you. Or worse chose to live a lie? Making their lives and that of someone else miserable. I am heterosexual but I have many friend and work colleagues who are *** / lesbian. This DOES NOT make them a lesser person nor does it make them a less capable doctor or nurse. In fact many of them I would agree to have treat me if need be rather than some of the "straight" colleagues that I know. Children are far more adaptable than they are sometimes given credit for and I know that if I had a child I would not care about what his / her sexuality was, as long as they were happy in their relationship and were able to come to me if need be. I know I could do the same with my parents and they would support my wishes and never disown me because of my sexuality or anything else. I guess I am a very fortunate person.

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To think that two loving adults, no matter of what sex, cannot bring up a child that is a social benefit to mankind, is simply preposterous. This is one of the most idiotic, irrational, bias and uninformed postings that has ever been posted. It is so stupid that anyone reading your post is dumber for having read it.

If it was worthy of a debate, I’ll slap you silly with facts, but it’s frankly not even worth my time to further denounce.

I'm a person that cares about other human beings regarless of their sexual preference, race, religon or creed...you Sir, must be the other guy! :angry:

How can you teach the X and Y of the male and female if you do not have both to bring their insight to the child? Now do not get me wrong I would rather have a child loved by two people of the same sex, rather than in a home or in a fruitless traditional upbringing, But I still pose the question. Love is love agreed, but my fear would be with the lack of either male or female, do you not feel the child themselves are missing out on something vital? I am not trying to argue, but i do appreciate the thought process AND insight of other's. I also would like to ask this, would two transsexual men make good parents? My thought with that would be, what would a child take from this to define themselves? Remember the world we live in is cold, harsh and unforgiving for the most part. Take care Tiffany......

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Here we go again ..... I will start with the fact that I am a pro life, gun toting, Christian, anti OWS, hard working, tax paying, small business owning, *** Republican from a military family who is fiercely proud of this country. I am not one with neon blue blood flowing through my veins. All of that said, the fight against gays marrying , serving, receiving equal benefits, etc. is just absurd. Straights need to get it right themselves before they toss judgement on gays. Gays can not marry throughout this country, but yet divorce is well over 55% right now amongst straigts. How many times have Rush and Newt been married ... where has the sanctity of marriage been in their relationships. Also, since the Bible is quoted all the time in this matter, I believe the Holy Scripture says that a marriage should only be dissolved due to infidelity. I wager that this is not the case in thes over 55% of straight divorces. For God's sake people, live and let live ... love and let love. Also, this particular article is just rediculous. Since when has Russian become the higher morale ground of family life? The alcoholism and divorce rate is through the roof there and lets not even get started on their orphanges and abandoned children. This article is good for nothing more than arcuing against those who believe Gays should not be able to marry, rear children, or have any other rights for that matter. Gays are not the thorn in this country's flesh ..... hypocrisy is ... laziness is ... glutony is ... hatred is .. unpatrioticness is .... the left leaning Socialists are .... etc. God Bless this country as we have all been given the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. It does not say that we are all guaranteed happiness, but we are all to be given thr equal right to pursue it.

Just wanted to point out that the vast majority of gays and lesbians out there have come from straight parents and they/we are still ***. Your point/insinuation that children of transexuals/gays/whatever would more likely be *** or trans leaning themselves is just not factual. What it does/would help to prevent is the massive ammt. of children / teenagers who run away, are kicked out, or commit suicide because they are ***, afraid to be who they are, are condemmed to hell, etc. *** and lesbian parents sure as hell would not drive their children out of their home, condemn them, or sit by and watch them run away or kill themselves because they dont fit into the typical desired mold. That is for sure.

+ 1 from me because I think you are on point with your reply!

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I am not a supporter. I love people, "all" people. But a same sex marriage is not

productive.

Not a reproach, but think about it. What better way to make ourselves extinct.

Now to be a bit cynical, who will go to extinction first, the gays or the extreme Muslim? Same sex marriage surely can't have babies and the extreme muslim blows himself up and takes as many as he can with him. It surely would be interesting to be around 100 years from now to see.

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I am not a supporter. I love people, "all" people. But a same sex marriage is not

productive.

Not a reproach, but think about it. What better way to make ourselves extinct.

Now to be a bit cynical, who will go to extinction first, the gays or the extreme Muslim? Same sex marriage surely can't have babies and the extreme muslim blows himself up and takes as many as he can with him. It surely would be interesting to be around 100 years from now to see.

I think you are thinking that same sex marriage and same sex parenting are the same thing. Gays are still only about 10% (give or take a bit) of the population. I can promise you that gays marrying or having children will not make our country run out of fertile or horny straights to continue to poulate. There is always adoption or insemination for gays to use if they do not want to try it the old fashioned way. Hell, there are plenty of children out there in foster homes, on the streets, and in orphanges conceived the "proper way" that gays should be allowed to rescue. NOW, to even lump gays and radical islamists together is repulsive and ignorant.

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How can you teach the X and Y of the male and female if you do not have both to bring their insight to the child? Now do not get me wrong I would rather have a child loved by two people of the same sex, rather than in a home or in a fruitless traditional upbringing, But I still pose the question. Love is love agreed, but my fear would be with the lack of either male or female, do you not feel the child themselves are missing out on something vital? I am not trying to argue, but i do appreciate the thought process AND insight of other's. I also would like to ask this, would two transsexual men make good parents? My thought with that would be, what would a child take from this to define themselves? Remember the world we live in is cold, harsh and unforgiving for the most part. Take care Tiffany......

Eddiemac...I commend you! You raise intelligent and discussable points. I am *** and don't have finite answers to those questions, but you bring forth legitimate issues in a manner that I wish others would. I am always open to an intelligent discussion on the issues, however, most respondents on here would simply "attack" you with ignorance, close-minded arguments and a tirade of text, filled with misspelled words and run on sentences.

I do know that of the same sex families that I am friends with, the children know that there are different types of families...i.e; Mommy & Daddy, 2 Moms, 2 Dads, etc...and they are well adjusted and accepting of those facts. In the case of 2 transsexual men, that would probably not occur as transsexualism, simply put, defines a person whose biological birth sex conflicts with their psychological gender. So both would feel the need to be a woman and not a man and would not be attracted to each other. Since I am not a transsexual male, that one is more difficult for me to identify with.

You are correct in your statement that this a cold and harsh world. Children are mirrors of their parents. If a child is not tolerant of a difference in another child, that child has usually learned that behavior from their parents, or to a lesser degree, from their peers, who in turn have learned it from their parents. Prejudice is a learned behavior. We are not born with it.

Again, I commend you for bringing these issues up in a manner conducive to intelligent discussion. We cannot solve the intolerance of minority issues in one fell swoop, however, we can accomplish a great deal with open and honest discussion that is tolerant of opposing viewpoints.

Best regards.

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Eddiemac...I commend you! You raise intelligent and discussable points. I am *** and don't have finite answers to those questions, but you bring forth legitimate issues in a manner that I wish others would. I am always open to an intelligent discussion on the issues, however, most respondents on here would simply "attack" you with ignorance, close-minded arguments and a tirade of text, filled with misspelled words and run on sentences.

I do know that of the same sex families that I am friends with, the children know that there are different types of families...i.e; Mommy & Daddy, 2 Moms, 2 Dads, etc...and they are well adjusted and accepting of those facts. In the case of 2 transsexual men, that would probably not occur as transsexualism, simply put, defines a person whose biological birth sex conflicts with their psychological gender. So both would feel the need to be a woman and not a man and would not be attracted to each other. Since I am not a transsexual male, that one is more difficult for me to identify with.

You are correct in your statement that this a cold and harsh world. Children are mirrors of their parents. If a child is not tolerant of a difference in another child, that child has usually learned that behavior from their parents, or to a lesser degree, from their peers, who in turn have learned it from their parents. Prejudice is a learned behavior. We are not born with it.

Again, I commend you for bringing these issues up in a manner conducive to intelligent discussion. We cannot solve the intolerance of minority issues in one fell swoop, however, we can accomplish a great deal with open and honest discussion that is tolerant of opposing viewpoints.

Best regards.

I had to give you a plus for your reply. Yes you are right intelligent discussion with mutual respect for each side would resolve a lot of issues..

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The Bible say that Homosexuality is an Abomination unto the Lord. Repent from your sins of sexual imorality and seek Jesus Christ our Lord for forgiveness and salvation.

How would you feel if it was your child or your brother or sister or even one of your parents that was homosexual ? Would you stop loving them and call them an abomination ? Love each other....that's what my God wants us to do. :)

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Far be it from me to point the finger at anyone for I am a sinner. Probably the worst. The Bible teaches that we are to love God and one another. I am noones judge and will give account for my life after I die. God is the judge! Period. I have my own beliefs about what is right and wrong about alternative lifestyles but they are my beliefs. I am noones judge. In fact my Uncle was *** and he and his partner died about 12 yrs ago from aids. He was literally one of the nicest giving human beings I have ever known. Jesus came to seek and to save that which was lost. Not to judge.

John 8

1 but Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.

2 At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. 3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4 and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” 6 They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.

But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”

11 “No one, sir,” she said.

“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”

Just my humble opinion.

God speed to you!

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How would you feel if it was your child or your brother or sister or even one of your parents that was homosexual ? Would you stop loving them and call them an abomination ? Love each other....that's what my God wants us to do. :)

I don't know what your god is, and I never said anything about "stop loving". We are all sinners, that's why we need a Saviour and that is why Jesus died on the cross for all of us, even when we despised Him. The Bible says sexual immorality is sin. Homosexuality is sin and not the Creators design. The person is not the abomination, the act(sin) is an abomination and disgusting unto the Lord.

God loves us all (sinners) so much that He sent His only Son to die so that each one of us may have eternal life in Heaven. We need only to receive Jesus Christ as Lord, and the forgiveness and pardon for our sins, repent and be saved.

God is love and has never stopped loving you or anyone else. He has given us all the freedom to choose because of this love.

I write this in love to you and everyone reading it that you might be saved, it is your choice...........either you are for Jesus or you are against Him. A decision not to choose is unfortunately a decision against Him.

If you really loved your child, brother, sister, parent, friend, stranger or whoever that was in sin then you would tell them the truth. Eternity is a long long time.

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Most Americans don't like truth because many do not beleive there is such a thing as real Truth.

The wisdom of man is certainly foolishness in the sight of God.

To say that God hates ****s/****s is a lie. But the choice of that life style is an abomination to him.

To make it seem like God sees things as we see them, i e in the wisdom of men, is just humanism at its core.

If you really care what God thinks about this issue: Read the following.

Romans 1:26-30 -- a society that does not acknowledge God - therefore lose the ability to know right and wrong that socciety is doomed. Read it carefully

People following a worldly life style can change and that is God's will.

John 3:16 -- key word who so ever / whoever ---- v.17 tell the real reason for God sending his Son - not to condem us but to save the world from our futile ways through Him.

The idea of change- I Cor. 6:9-11 -- ....that is what some of you were, but v11

The idea that people are borned with a uncontrolable sexual slant is just false, humanistic in wisdom.

Other readings about God's feellings toward this issue and his instructions to His people: Leviticus 18:22-24 key words v. 24 ...defile yourselves by any of these things ...

Leviticus 20:13 - How does God feel about this abomination entering into a society.

Please I am not and will not reply to any of the bashings of human wisdom. The word of God is the only real truth/standard/rule for life. John 17:17

No one has the right to say God feels differently.

Please I am not looking for a fight or argument. I care for all people - but the standard for life does not come from the wisdom of men, but from God.

A day of real ture judgement is coming - there is a part of us that will live forever somewhere - God says there is a heaven and a hell.

I am a sinner but trust in his grace for those who strive to live in the light as best we can. Read 1 John 1:6-10.

I mean no harm to anyone. God loves everyone and want them to have a heavenly home. Believe the truth - 2 Peter 3:9-13; 1 Timothy 2:3-4

Be honest what direction has our country gone in the past several years as we have tryed to take God out of who we are - are things better or worse???????????

I know I should not post this but if one perosn comes to know God better from reading the Word it is all worth it.

May we all strive to make this world a better place for our time is limited.

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I think you are thinking that same sex marriage and same sex parenting are the same thing. Gays are still only about 10% (give or take a bit) of the population. I can promise you that gays marrying or having children will not make our country run out of fertile or horny straights to continue to poulate. There is always adoption or insemination for gays to use if they do not want to try it the old fashioned way. Hell, there are plenty of children out there in foster homes, on the streets, and in orphanges conceived the "proper way" that gays should be allowed to rescue. NOW, to even lump gays and radical islamists together is repulsive and ignorant.

I tried to keep out religious views but sorry, not to preach. relating to extremist and gays are quite related. One sin is no greater than the other. I am not a hater, I do not condone same sex for the simple reason is that is really honestly grosses me out. But I don't not bother them. They can't have babies so your saying gays are saving kids from horny, and orphan parents. I don't agree, and that is all. I stick with my opinion, not productive and since you insist, it grosses me out. Really. I get tired of people using animals instincts to relate to human beings. Humans are highly intelligent civilized and not wild. (should be) But to say animals do it is to say we are them. It doesn't jive with my mind.

PS-- This is my peace, and my opinion, that is all, and it "will not" change. Deep roots. Grounded. I started out saying I do not agree. From there you should have passed my post by. Not to mention horny straights. Hmm, and gaye folks ain't. They had to be to turn to same sex! How does a gaye guy get insemination?

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I don't know what your god is, and I never said anything about "stop loving". We are all sinners, that's why we need a Saviour and that is why Jesus died on the cross for all of us, even when we despised Him. The Bible says sexual immorality is sin. Homosexuality is sin and not the Creators design. The person is not the abomination, the act(sin) is an abomination and disgusting unto the Lord.

God loves us all (sinners) so much that He sent His only Son to die so that each one of us may have eternal life in Heaven. We need only to receive Jesus Christ as Lord, and the forgiveness and pardon for our sins, repent and be saved.

God is love and has never stopped loving you or anyone else. He has given us all the freedom to choose because of this love.

I write this in love to you and everyone reading it that you might be saved, it is your choice...........either you are for Jesus or you are against Him. A decision not to choose is unfortunately a decision against Him.

If you really loved your child, brother, sister, parent, friend, stranger or whoever that was in sin then you would tell them the truth. Eternity is a long long time.

Well said.

Tiffany, et al. God is not politically correct and never will be and neither does it matter to Him what our perverted culture has designated as a "alternative lifestyle" or "significant other".

He is not disuaded from being a Holy God and expect us to live holy lives just because His Commandments are unpopular and rejected. God is not going to 'pick up his ball and go home' just because you do not believe that what he said, he meant. You could believe with all your heart and soul that God would not send someone to an eternal separation away from him for not repenting and continuing to live in Sin but unless your beliefs and way of living are substantiated in His Word, the Bible, than you are terribly wrong and cannot enter into the Kingdom of Heaven, either.

Yes, God is Love, understanding, compassionate, etc. etc. , but God still says that Homosexuality is wrong-He has not changed His mind on the matter. If that were the case-then the Almighty owes Sodom and Gomorrah a really big apology!

Does it not register in your head-or maybe you just flat out do not care -that the God of all Creation, 'put down'/crucified/sacrificed a member of the Trinity for you?! Did you know that you actually inferred that because your *** friend is one of the nicest guys you ever knew that in your opinion then, you overide what God' word says about Sin?

You owe it to yourself, and to your Eternal destiny to read the Word of God in its entirety and find out who God is and what His expectations of us, a lost society and people are.

God says in Revelation 21:27: "and there shall in no wise enter into it anything unclean, or he that maketh an abomination and a lie: but only they which are written in the Lamb's book of life." That's final, Tiffany. His Word is non-negotiable.

I have many *** friends as well and I love them all to pieces.

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The Bible say that Homosexuality is an Abomination unto the Lord. Repent from your sins of sexual imorality and seek Jesus Christ our Lord for forgiveness and salvation.

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Sportfisher...you're quoting the familiar text of the portion of the Bible which is part of Leviticus, particularly the 18th - 20th chapters or better known as the Jewish Holiness Code. These verses have been the subject of serious study by many theologians, but one thing has always troubled me and that is a passage in the book of James, chapter 2:10 which is this: "For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.".

James says that if you keep all of the law and if you break one, you break all of it. All books mentioned above or the Leviticus laws. So if a person is condemned because he/she is *** and has sex with the same gender should not judge. Without getting into the translations from the original Greek text or the meanings of the translations as they apply to the times the book was written, it would appear that one would need to adhere to all of the laws, including not wearing clothing of mixed materials, not cross pollenating fields, stoning your children when they disobey or consuming shellfish in order not to be an abomination to God.

The two words the Bible uses are Abomination and detestable. If we took these words as they are meant in English ,then we would take it literal. But we have to look at the meaning in Hebrew. In Leviticus 18:22 (KJV) we read, "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." The word used here means idolatry if translated from the original Greek text. It says they have committed an abomination. This was with worship of idols from other lands.

So finally to my confusion, why select particular verses from the Bible and declare them valid while ignoring others? To me, you either believe and live by the entire Bible or not. Your's or anyone else's thoughts are more than welcomed.

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I don't know what your god is, and I never said anything about "stop loving". We are all sinners, that's why we need a Saviour and that is why Jesus died on the cross for all of us, even when we despised Him. The Bible says sexual immorality is sin. Homosexuality is sin and not the Creators design. The person is not the abomination, the act(sin) is an abomination and disgusting unto the Lord.

God loves us all (sinners) so much that He sent His only Son to die so that each one of us may have eternal life in Heaven. We need only to receive Jesus Christ as Lord, and the forgiveness and pardon for our sins, repent and be saved.

God is love and has never stopped loving you or anyone else. He has given us all the freedom to choose because of this love.

I write this in love to you and everyone reading it that you might be saved, it is yo.ur choice...........either you are for Jesus or you are against Him. A decision not to choose is unfortunately a decision against Him.

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If you really loved your child, brother, sister, parent, friend, stranger or whoever that was in sin then you would tell them the truth. Eternity is a long long time.

My God is an awesome God. He reigns from Heaven above. With Truth and Mercy and Love. My God is an AWESOME God.

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The ultimate relationship is self + God. Next comes self +not-like-self and/or self+like self.

Using those three ways to relate to others, and putting love as the prime example of how to relate to others, I see nothing wrong in any of it.

The ultimate is not sexual closeness, or even procreation ... all that will happen and it could be that same sex activities and proclivities will save us eventually from overpopulation.

But even as sex is not the centre point of all these relationships, I have to believe that love IS centre point of all these relationships.

Nothing is wrong love is acknowleged and kept at the centre of a relationship.

Just my foggy opinion ... operating under the influence of some pretty strong stuff ... Cyclobenzaprine. So ignore the slurring if it came through ... hahahahaha

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Well........ I was raised in the church of Scotland. I do not attend church on a regular basis, partly because I don't feel a particular need to. But what I will say is I was always taught the "god" loves and accepts all people of all races , religions and sexuality in to his kingdom, REGARDLESS of any so called "sin" they might have committed whilst her on earth. So, if when I get to the pearly gates I find out this is not the case then I would not wish to enter. If god is the creator of all things, why did he not make us all the same? Why create so many different cultures , races, religions, skin colours and people with differing sexuality? Remember people are born homosexual / lesbian. Life would be very boring if we were all the same. And as far as I am concerned there is room in MY heaven for everyone. Again I will say the original post is one of the most stupid , ill informed, worthless pieces I have read in a long time. Probably stated by people who call themselves christian but have no tolerance for a diverse society. Also it probably has to be their way or no way. Tiff and any others who are anything other than heterosexual. ....enjoy ytour life. I wish you all happiness!!

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I will not be silent having read this. I believe in God. I believe the Bible is the preserved word of God. God made male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife and they two shall be one flesh. God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. When anybody brings God into this they better get it right. When two of the same sex join together it is abomination to God. A society that accepts this kind of action has a profound influence on the children brought up in that society. We are talking about eternal souls here not just we live we die and then we are forgotten in time. Children brought up in that atmosphere learn to accept it as the people that are rearing them and feeding them and nurturing them are living that way. The next generation feeds off the last generation until good becomes evil and evil becomes good. The result of not liking to retain God in your knowledge is God turns you over where men do with men that which is unseemly and women likewise burn for one another. God has never condoned any type of homosexuality and never will. You may not want there to be a God but in the eternal scheme of things what you want does not matter one whit. Lucifer did not want to be an angel but wanted to be God and Lucifer got cast out of heaven. Any person who does not want to be what they are created to be is aligned with that original sin. Hence they align themselves with Lucifer. You are "created" male or female. You did not and do not have a choice in the matter. Join in the rebellion it will not do you any good at all in eternity.

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