Popular Post ssmith Posted November 14, 2011 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 Thorough Commentary on the DINAR . . .****ty so much misterfizz for this post********(I DECIDED TO POST THIS IN MY CHAT SECTION ALSO BECAUSE I KNOW PEOPLE COME AND READ THESE AND I DID FIND IT VERY GOOD FOR THE MOST PART, AND A GOOD BREAK DOWN...BL) It has been a while, but I did not want to repeat myself, give false hope, or just echo what is flying about on the internet. Today, I read a blog from a friend that was quite encouraging and I want to share with you all my viewpoint. It is very important to understand how something could be made from nothing. I heard a famous money advisor on the radio this week saying the dinar was a scam, based on the uncertainty of the Iraqi government and the current value of the dinar. Under normal economic circumstances, this is ABSOLUTELY correct. Today, we have no normal circumstance whatsoever, so all bets are off. The Euro is about to implode, the third largest economy in Europe is collapsing, and the funds for illegal banking are being frozen. The dinar was created to print wealth. If I give you a dollar for a loaf of bread, you now understand that things similar to loaf of bread cost a dollar. That dollar is then traded to other things for about the same value. If secretly, I have a printing press in my garage that spits out dollars, I can spend those dollars for things also of a similar value. However, if I print too many dollars on my press, the neighbors may grow weary of me buying all their stuff. The demand for dollars drops. This is called inflation. To combat inflation and create value out of nothing, all I have to do is get everyone to use my dollars and not use anyone else's. The ultimate goal would be to get the world to use my dollars. Then I could never spend too much, because there would be an enormous demand for my dollars. This is precisely what the Federal Reserve has done since 1913. Over the last ten years, however, the world has reached its capacity for dollars. Those holding them, must keep them tied up or the value would drop to near zero. So the plan is to trade dollars amongst the privileged, while maintaining high demand if possible from the economy. Thus, the economy must be kept dollar poor to keep the demand high. In the backdrop, those with the press have printed quadrillions of dollars simply by making entries on a computer screen, and funneled it into strategic bank accounts. Those account owners know that releasing too much money at once will devalue their own holdings and reveal who they are. It is a vicious circle. Asset backed wealth is the antidote. It cannot be revalued easily because the supply is limited and the demand is steady or growing. It cannot be created at will, but requires a production and the economic engine to gather together. I predict that the current economy will never be restored until the move to asset backed wealth is made.The currency could be gold or silver or toenails or belly button lint. I don't care which. It just can't be paper. Some of you need to take my Class 201 - Paper Mache Castles. If you are still tracking me, there was a time when the current system really took off. After the surrender of Japan took place on the USS Missouri in late 1945, a secret agreement was made. The right to print the money in Japan was given over to a wing of the the Agency. The asset backed wealth was put into reserve, and eventually turned over to an international holding bank. Prior to that in China, the reserve of gold was shipped to America for "safe keeping" and bonds were printed in the Philippines as a promise to repay. They did this to avoid Japan looting their wealth. These reserves of asset backed wealth were looted by the banking cabal instead, as it was rising to power and taking advantage of the effects of the war. There are always winners and losers. When China's loan came due, China demanded the delivery of the gold. The western bankers would not return it and my guess is that much of it was lost to private accounts and reserves when they were supposed to be keeping it safe. They were given 50 years to steal it, and so they did. China complained to the international court and won. Much of the gold and paperwork concerning this repayment was kept in the twin towers....and now we are into conspiracy. I will leave it at that... but no one can review the evidence that is out there now and not determine that there is much more to 9/11 that what the news told us. Nevertheless, these Asian reserves are vast and not limited to what was stolen over the years. They are the collections from dynasties, hidden in huge reserves in Asia and elsewhere. The Federal Reserve did not steal it all, but when there has been a release of these assets, great attempts have been made to steal it. If you think about the $2~3 trillion USD that China is holding today, you have to recognize the quandary that China is in. They are sitting on vast assets, which they cannot move for fear of being stolen, and the money they are holding is US dollars, which if they spend it now its value will collapse faster than they can spend it. I don't think that is much of an exaggeration. Thus, enter the dinar. It is merely a vehicle to get US dollars transferred from the holdings of the banking elite to the main street. It is driven by international interests to jump start the economy and get liquidity back in the hands of the people who will spend it to live. You had to make this currency vehical cheap or else no normal person could afford to invest much. It had to be available, which is why so much was shipped to the US and elsewhere. You had to make the gain big, because giving a few dollars to anyone would have no impact on fixing things. Then you had to force the banks to revalue it. The enemy holds the control over that button. Why would they push the button willingly? They wouldn't. Their toxic paper was made toxic on purpose, to be bought for a song and held long enough to allow the default to take place. Foreclosures are up again in November, on purpose. So the good guys, who used to be the bad guys according to our news and good guys, are forcing the hand of the banks. It is getting serious and will eventually come to pass. Hang in there. Keep in mind that it is now known by most governments around the world that this banking control is intentional and deliberately focused on controlling assets and existing wealth. This is why you see defectors now in European governments and the inability of the elite to rectify the money problems. It is also why you saw people being arrested for closing their accounts in the big banks during the occupy protests. It is why you saw Obama levying a Christmas Tree tax, (they are desperate). It is why there is this general disgust for America amongst the nations. It is not America, however, but those who represent their own banking and money interests. The world is waking up. The house of cards is falling down. Strong international powers sent Interpol into the United States, starting in 2010. There were like 7 plane loads of international police that came here to audit the Fed. This is not our government being audited, but the private banking system that controls every politician. They were deputized by the President, but I believe this was his hand being forced. The executive order is #12425 if you care to research it. When the Fed was recently audited, it was discovered that like $16 Trillion was given out to special interests and foreign banks. When you understand that, you know that they do not wish to get the economy going again and release all the debtors. Plain and simple. Conspiracy? No, not really. It is about greed and control. If you on main street prosper, their machine collapses. It has taken a lot of work to get you in this position without you knowing it. This Executive Order above is the president being drug along kicking and screaming. The release of these police in the US has uncovered much of the illegal banking practices, the false flag attacks, the phony war stories, and so forth. Many of the trusted leaders are going to jail soon and many Americans are going to feel quite foolish for being on the wrong side. Doesn't matter which political affiliation you are. 2012 promises to be a dramatic year, so believe half of what you see and none of what you hear. Hopefully you do that already. I still strongly maintain that the dinar will be revalued. It is not a matter of investment. Don't call it that, because it is not. There is no investment that repays 3000 to 1 in normal circumstances. The dinar was created for the sole purpose of transferring wealth and to create a windfall tax for the US government. It was planned from the beginning. It will not be decided by the Iraqi government and it will not depend on some law to be passed. Those are all distractions. This will take place when the timing is right those who are blocking it are out of the way. It is close now, keep watch..Interpol is about to make some moves behind the scenes. You will see these come out as scandals and offenses of the crazy kind. Don't get tangled up in any of it. The agency has a dossier on everyone in Washington. It is simply a matter of time. http://www.gangsterbankster.com/dinar.php 33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francie26 Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 Fantastic article, BondLady!! And thanks much, ssmith, for bringing it to us. What a fascinating read!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim5400 Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 already posted ?????? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captjohn Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 Great, well-thought-out, and informed post. Thank you for dropping the "country girl, "out of the holler" speak. This is well written, articulate, and engaging. Thanks again and keep it coming Bl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caye98 Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 I typically enjoy reading BL chat, and I realize that article was NOT written by BL, and I am given pause to wonder if this post actually has anything to do with BL, other than someone just attaching her name to add credibility. Having said that, as far as the rest of the article goes, What have they been smoking? That conspiracy theory has me chuckling so much that I just had to respond. This is America, and you have freedom to express your thoughts, but IMO this does not belong in the "Chat Logs", and perhaps we should create a "Conspiracy Theory" section like we have a "LOP" section. I may copy this to share as a joke over Thanksgiving dinner! Okay, I will try to stop laughing long enough to agree that you should have diverse investments, particularly land (some of which you can grow food on), a home, and metals (in hand). I am not a survivalist, but I do think you might want to be prepared to be self-reliant. I prefer to have off-grid power options. On the Possibility-O-Meter a government could even take your home or land (they have from my family in the past). So being prepared and aware are important, but "Chinese gold and loan documents in the Twin Towers" LOL! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssmith Posted November 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 I typically enjoy reading BL chat, and I realize that article was NOT written by BL, and I am given pause to wonder if this post actually has anything to do with BL, other than someone just attaching her name to add credibility. Having said that, as far as the rest of the article goes, What have they been smoking? That conspiracy theory has me chuckling so much that I just had to respond. This is America, and you have freedom to express your thoughts, but IMO this does not belong in the "Chat Logs", and perhaps we should create a "Conspiracy Theory" section like we have a "LOP" section. I may copy this to share as a joke over Thanksgiving dinner! Okay, I will try to stop laughing long enough to agree that you should have diverse investments, particularly land (some of which you can grow food on), a home, and metals (in hand). I am not a survivalist, but I do think you might want to be prepared to be self-reliant. I prefer to have off-grid power options. On the Possibility-O-Meter a government could even take your home or land (they have from my family in the past). So being prepared and aware are important, but "Chinese gold and loan documents in the Twin Towers" LOL! If you go to her web site, you can see it for yourself.. Just thought it was a good read & with all the negative press going around. I thought I would share it... 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottntex Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 LOL sombody copying sombody was posted yesterday by one our ppl i could be wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssmith Posted November 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 If you go to her web site, you can see it for yourself.. Just thought it was a good read & with all the negative press going around. I thought I would share it... Read the first paragraph of post : Thorough Commentary on the DINAR . . .****ty so much misterfizz for this post********(I DECIDED TO POST THIS IN MY CHAT SECTION ALSO BECAUSE I KNOW PEOPLE COME AND READ THESE AND I DID FIND IT VERY GOOD FOR THE MOST PART, AND A GOOD BREAK DOWN...BL) It has been a while, but I did not want to repeat myself, give false hope, or just echo what is flying about on the internet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyDownTheShore Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 This is something that makes one wonder, we know that we'll never know what goes on behind the scenes, so there might be some truth to this article, the question is how much ? Thanks for the post 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoopdog Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 (edited) "The dinar was created for the sole purpose of transferring wealth and to create a windfall tax for the US government" Read more: Does anyone, besides the person that wrote this, actually believe this? Edited November 14, 2011 by hoopdog 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterset Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 One positive thing about this theory is the fact that the dinar could revalue around $3.00! I could make myself believe in that! GO BIG RV!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegsue Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 This seems rather disturbing to me. If you really do check out the executive order it is much more than just wanting to audit the fed. Go read up on it. This is a very bad thing! It puts the ICC above our own Constitution and takes away any and all rights we have as US citizens! There are many more sites to check it out but you might want to know what it actually means to us. "Executive Order 12425 theobamafile ^ | theobamafile Posted on Monday, December 21, 2009 12:00:32 AM by American Dream 246 EO: AMENDING EXECUTIVE ORDER 12425 DESIGNATING INTERPOL AS A PUBLIC INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATION By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act (22 U.S.C. 288), and in order to extend the appropriate privileges, exemptions, and immunities to the International Criminal Police Organization (INTERPOL), it is hereby ordered that Executive Order 12425 of June 16, 1983, as amended, is further amended by deleting from the first sentence the words "except those provided by Section 2©, Section 3, Section 4, Section 5, and Section 6 of that Act" and the semicolon that immediately precedes them. Here's the text of 2©, which this EO now has applying to INTERPOL: © Property and assets of international organizations, wherever located and by whomsoever held, shall be immune from search, unless such immunity be expressly waived, and from confiscation. The archives of international organizations shall be inviolable. An INTERPOL branch in the US now cannot be searched, it's files are not subject to legal subpoena nor discovery. If any branch of government wants to keep documents out of the hands of the court system, just hand them over to INTERPOL until the smoke clears. INTERPOL will now be able to maintain files on US citizens. By this EO, Obama has conferred diplomatic immunity upon INTERPOL, exemption from being subject to search and seizure by law enforcement, exemption from US taxes, and immunity from FOIA requests, etc. Obama just declared INTERPOL records immune from search and seizure -- "The archives of international organizations shall be inviolable." Does INTERPOL have a file on Obama -- on his associations? My link You might also want to check out My link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francie26 Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 This seems rather disturbing to me. If you really do check out the executive order it is much more than just wanting to audit the fed. Go read up on it. This is a very bad thing! It puts the ICC above our own Constitution and takes away any and all rights we have as US citizens! There are many more sites to check it out but you might want to know what it actually means to us. "Executive Order 12425 theobamafile ^ | theobamafile Posted on Monday, December 21, 2009 12:00:32 AM by American Dream 246 EO: AMENDING EXECUTIVE ORDER 12425 DESIGNATING INTERPOL AS A PUBLIC INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATION By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act (22 U.S.C. 288), and in order to extend the appropriate privileges, exemptions, and immunities to the International Criminal Police Organization (INTERPOL), it is hereby ordered that Executive Order 12425 of June 16, 1983, as amended, is further amended by deleting from the first sentence the words "except those provided by Section 2©, Section 3, Section 4, Section 5, and Section 6 of that Act" and the semicolon that immediately precedes them. Here's the text of 2©, which this EO now has applying to INTERPOL: © Property and assets of international organizations, wherever located and by whomsoever held, shall be immune from search, unless such immunity be expressly waived, and from confiscation. The archives of international organizations shall be inviolable. An INTERPOL branch in the US now cannot be searched, it's files are not subject to legal subpoena nor discovery. If any branch of government wants to keep documents out of the hands of the court system, just hand them over to INTERPOL until the smoke clears. INTERPOL will now be able to maintain files on US citizens. By this EO, Obama has conferred diplomatic immunity upon INTERPOL, exemption from being subject to search and seizure by law enforcement, exemption from US taxes, and immunity from FOIA requests, etc. Obama just declared INTERPOL records immune from search and seizure -- "The archives of international organizations shall be inviolable." Does INTERPOL have a file on Obama -- on his associations? My link You might also want to check out My link I had read of this some time back, but at the time, it simply didn't make sense to me. However, now that we are getting so much closer to a world meltdown of nations, and the now infamous "One World Government," and especially since I read the first time that Obama had signed several documents giving away our rights, it seems more likely (upon reading it this time) to be true. After all, this is Obama, who loves all things foreign much more than anything (or anyone) American. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abarvets Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 Thanks for the post. What a read! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFK Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 "The dinar was created for the sole purpose of transferring wealth and to create a windfall tax for the US government" Read more: http://dinarvets.com.../#ixzz1dhCdJ1wS Does anyone, besides the person that wrote this, actually believe this? NO!!! Except the conspiracy types. They'll be all over this. Bond Lady... why this? Are you trying to wreck your cred? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssmith Posted November 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 NO!!! Except the conspiracy types. They'll be all over this. Bond Lady... why this? Are you trying to wreck your cred? if you read it bond lady quotes:( I DID FIND IT VERY GOOD FOR THE MOST PART,) Read more: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinarcimi Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 EO 12425 was enacted by Ronald Reagan in 1983. Executive Order 12425 International Criminal Police Organizations Signed: June 16, 1983 Federal Register page and date: 48 FR 28069; June 20, 1983 Amended by : <a href="http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/1995.html#12971">EO'>http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/1995.html#12971">EO 12971 September 15, 1995; EO 13524, December 16, 2009 http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/1983.html Executive Order 12971 Amendment to Executive Order No. 12425 Signed: September 15, 1995 Federal Register page and date: 60 FR 48617; September 19, 1995 Amends: EO 12425, June 6, 1983 http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/1995.html#12971 Executive Order 13524 Amending Executive Order 12425 Designating Interpol as a Public International Organization Entitled To Enjoy Certain Privileges, Exemptions, and Immunities Signed: December 16, 2009 Federal Register page and date: 74 FR 67803, December 21, 2009 Amends: EO 12425, June 16, 1983 http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/2009-obama.html#13524 Go Iraq! Go Dinarians! Go RV! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglefan Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 I think this was posted by Big City Bob already I think this was posted by Big City Bob already I think this was posted by Big City Bob already I think this was posted by Big City Bob already I think this was posted by Big City Bob already I think this was posted by Big City Bob already I think this was posted by Big City Bob already I think this was posted by Big City Bob already Apparently I have very fast fingers or I'm impatient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnTheHorizon Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 Eagle, Are you trying to tell us that this was already posted by Big City Bob? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglefan Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 Eagle, Are you trying to tell us that this was already posted by Big City Bob? I'm working on my stuttering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
endeavor1 Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 Any conspiracy is above the norm, they seem unbelievable. Most liberals will mock at conspiracy "theorist". Many conspiracies aren't theories. If the Bible talks about a world dictator, I believe it. Only the richest in the world could accomplish such a task. Oh, by the wat, the Bible has the greatest track record of all time, no other book can compare to it. The elite are always, always, always, up to something, whether it be good or bad. The elite do exist, no one argues that. Why would it be out of line to have gold in the world "trade" center, hello? Jmho, Go RV!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francie26 Posted November 15, 2011 Report Share Posted November 15, 2011 Any conspiracy is above the norm, they seem unbelievable. Most liberals will mock at conspiracy "theorist". Many conspiracies aren't theories. If the Bible talks about a world dictator, I believe it. Only the richest in the world could accomplish such a task. Oh, by the wat, the Bible has the greatest track record of all time, no other book can compare to it. The elite are always, always, always, up to something, whether it be good or bad. The elite do exist, no one argues that. Why would it be out of line to have gold in the world "trade" center, hello? Jmho, Go RV!!! I don't mind blaming the "elite" such as those who own the Fed (Read: The Creature from Jekyll Island) for attempting to control the world along with most of the world's wealth, or like those who met and formed the secret, hush-hush Bilderberg Group, which because the Clintons were invited to meet with them, I can usually believe is up to no good, but I am not going to throw the entire group of so-called "elites" under the proverbial bus because, if money is the criteria for membership, I hope to be one of them someday fairly soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machcobra Posted November 15, 2011 Report Share Posted November 15, 2011 I just read it and what she posted was not conspiracy at all, maybe you need to go read for yourself! Maybe look up Ron Paul and I believe the Senator's name is Sanders of Vermont! Look on this Senator's web site, scroll down and click on the Fed Audit. Maybe spend some time reading the 130 plus page, first time "EVER" Fed audit. When you spend some time, come back and tell us all this is conspiracy! This is wake up time for America as many are! Why do you think Occupy Wallstreet is out in full force? Are these just dumb college kids? How about Wiki Leaks. Do you still have savings, are you doing good in America? I think most will say no, don't you! I have found that most jump in with the word conspiracy, usually have NO CLUE. Good luck and BondLady, great post! NO!!! Except the conspiracy types. They'll be all over this. Bond Lady... why this? Are you trying to wreck your cred? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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