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Hoffa's words coming home to roost!! Union Violence


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Yesterday approximately 500 Longshoremen crashed a Pacific North West gate and stormed a grain shipping terminal. They kidnapped six security guards and held them hostage for several hours. They cut breaklines on trains not to mention the destruction of private property in the hundreds of thousands. They also attacked others that worked there who were members of another union. No arrests have been made and DOJ refuses to step in.

Keep in mind these unions are Obama's ally THUGS. Obama empowers them by turning his head the other way when inflamitory speaches like the one Hoffa made the other day.

The Longshoreman's Union is under the unbrella of the AFL-CIO. It's leader is TRUMPKA..., the THUG who looks like Stalin. He sat near the First Lady during the Obama speach last night.

For you union members is this what you want from your unions? Is this what you want from your political leaders? This is why unions are losing favor with the American people and losing its membership!!!

GO R/V and GOD BLESS AMERICA !!!

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I'm a Union member and have been for 22 yrs. To answer your question, no this isn't what i want from my Union, however do i want the big corporations do with me as they will with no Union backing, NO. If the corporations could play nice you wouldn't have a need for Unions. JMO

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I had been a union member for a number of years, but I quit them. I feel the unions at one time were good to help and protect the American worker. Now they are out of control and could be the death of the domestic industry, for they have all become gready, :angry: members and unions alike!

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I'm a Union member and have been for 22 yrs. To answer your question, no this isn't what i want from my Union, however do i want the big corporations do with me as they will with no Union backing, NO. If the corporations could play nice you wouldn't have a need for Unions. JMO

SO are you condoning violence! Besides the morons from the Longshore union attacked members from another union..., WHAT MORONS!

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I'm a Union member and have been for 22 yrs. To answer your question, no this isn't what i want from my Union, however do i want the big corporations do with me as they will with no Union backing, NO. If the corporations could play nice you wouldn't have a need for Unions. JMO

I'm sure that if all of the corporations gave all of their profits to the unions, that it would still not be enough.

I'm sure that if all of the corporations gave all of their profits to the unions, that the unions would not suddenly disband and go away.

JMO

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I can't stand being part of union.High ups get rich of my checks, as I try to get by.Where I work, more of the people are starting hate unions .People are starting to see want they stand for and that is socialism. What I hate most, they use my money to back there, political backings, I do not agree with.I never vote with the union!!!!!!

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Strange how the Tea Party is called terrorist for peacefully gathering with a very few bad apples carrying questionable signs (probably implants) and the LAME STREAM MEDIA reports only these jerks to make the Tea Party look bad. But the Union THUGS / TERRORIST use violence and it's ok, because they have a good reason or whatever. I for one am losing faith the Unions are good for America anymore. I know not all unions are bad, but I only have what I see to go on. Why don't you Union people pitch a big fit over this sort of behavior, it is YOU that it reflects on.

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I'm sure that if all of the corporations gave all of their profits to the unions, that it would still not be enough.

I'm sure that if all of the corporations gave all of their profits to the unions, that the unions would not suddenly disband and go away.

JMO

I'm not asking for corporations to give Unions their profits, I'm asking that people treat people with respect on both sides, however that will probably never happen. Therefore you have the Unions trying to protect the employee's from the corporations doing whatever they want to their workers. I know this is a subject that people will always debate. I respect the opinions of the people who are for the Unions and the people who are against them.

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I can't stand being part of union.High ups get rich of my checks, as I try to get by.Where I work, more of the people are starting hate unions .People are starting to see want they stand for and that is socialism. What I hate most, they use my money to back there, political backings, I do not agree with.I never vote with the union!!!!!!

You are soooo right! Did you know that over 90% of unions send their money to the Democrat Party. In turn the unions expect favors from the candidates they help put in office. Talking about corruption!!!

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It is shameful how the union leaders encourage their members to be violent and destructive. Look what the teachers Union did in Wis. I would be ashamed to admit I was a teacher. What a nice way to teach our kids to behave. And don't one of you come back and try to tell me about your poor rights being violated! The unions will lose in the end. Causing violence for their own selfish purpose will only rile the people up more and we will fight harder against you. Having Obama in your pocket won't work forever. Sorry guess I just had to rant.angry.gif

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It is shameful how the union leaders encourage their members to be violent and destructive. Look what the teachers Union did in Wis. I would be ashamed to admit I was a teacher. What a nice way to teach our kids to behave. And don't one of you come back and try to tell me about your poor rights being violated! The unions will lose in the end. Causing violence for their own selfish purpose will only rile the people up more and we will fight harder against you. Having Obama in your pocket won't work forever. Sorry guess I just had to rant.angry.gif

Your sentiments are well received and acknowledged by MANY out there!!!

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I learned alot from Glenn Beck's show. Here is some history on the unions that I bet you didn't know.

Like him, or not, but you'd have a hard time proving him wrong......

History of Unions in America

Wednesday, June 23, 2010

By Glenn Beck

The hidden history of unions in America

Let me start things off by reminding you of what the president said at the beginning of his term: "Judge me by the people with whom I surround myself.”

OK, let's do that: radical Marxists and unions. Who was the number one most frequent guest of the White House? The former president of the SEIU, Andy Stern. Here's how the president describes his relationship with SEIU:

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: Just imagine what we could do together. Imagine having a president whose life work was your work.

It's almost like he puts the concerns of the union ahead of everything else, including the Earth. Did you know we could have had foreign help to clean up the oil spill if the president waived the Jones Act? He didn't do it. The Jones Act is a 1920s law that requires vessels working in U.S. waters be built in the U.S. and be crewed by U.S. workers — no foreigners. So the president doesn't have any problem with illegal aliens working and doing all kinds of jobs, but working on boats? Can't do that. Why? Unions.

The real ticking time bomb in this country is not the national debt, it's the debt to unions and union workers: pensions. The more things change the more they stay the same and that is the way many people in power like it.

If I asked you why we have unions, you would say it is out-of-control companies. But if I asked you what you knew about the Vanderbilts, the Rockefellers, the Carnegies, you would probably say they were rich, industrialists, robber barons.

If I said tell me about the unions of that time period, you'd probably say they were for the little people and they helped make work fair for minority groups like the Irish, blacks, Chinese — but you'd be guessing. Why is it that the Marxist, communist, progressive unions have a history that is fuzzy yet the capitalist robber barons are crystal clear in your mind? All you remember about unions is stuff like this union jingle.

Let's put the glasses of history on, by the end of this hour you will be able to identify these things: this guy, and this and this, this document affected millions of people until recently. It is a racist document from the labor unions. You will understand that, and then you will understand this.

Here are the facts on unions. They are destroying countries and states with their out-of-control pensions. Just the top 100 Illinois school administrators alone will be owed approximately $887 million. An administrator named "Gary," he can retire if he wishes — he's making $306,000. He'll end up making over $9.2 million during his retirement. How can you pay for this? You can't and that's why this list exists: "Highest default probabilities." Greece is at number two. Hugo Chavez's socialist haven is at number one. But notice, Illinois is ahead of California on the list. They are more likely to default than Latvia. And they are in the same ballpark as war-ravished Iraq.

Seriously, you progressives and unions are doing a bang-up job. Keep listening to them and not to the voices of reason like Chris Christie. When you hear him speak, it's such clear common sense it's impossible to argue with. And the unions and progressives hate it because it's true and it exposes what many radicals are trying to do: Cloward and Piven — collapse the system.

The reason we have all of these problems with union pensions is because of an executive order signed by JFK in 1962 that granted federal employees the right to unionize. Go back further and you'll see that even FDR knew this was bad. He wrote a letter to the unions and everyone focuses on this part: "All government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service."

But I think the more important part is this: "I want to emphasize my conviction that militant tactics have no place in the functions of any organization of government employees." So does that mean violence is OK against private corporations and capitalism?

Go back further and you'll see that Marx and Engels were part of the trade union. The idea at the beginning was to make everyone equal: Pay the workers the same, treat them the same, give them the same benefits. Essentially unions could eliminate the class system, which is of course what the Marxists hate so much — those damn rich people.

I've always hated the "income inequality" argument — yes, people make different salaries. Get over it. Do I think Al Gore should make $100 million for what he does? No, but get over it. You'll never make as much as Al Gore or Nancy Pelosi. They have something you don't. I like to call them "connections."

There are a few things labor leaders won't tell you about their history. Unions have a long history with deep communist and racist roots. You only hear about how unions heroically stopped greedy employers from sending 10-year-old kids to work in the coal mines for a dollar a day. But you don't hear stories like these about unions:

There was a union mineworker strike in Illinois in 1898. It ended in the unions (with the backing of the governor) telling blacks they couldn't have their jobs back — with the governor threatening to use the state militia to, "shoot to pieces with Gatling guns" any train bringing in black workers. The militia captain said, "If any Negroes are brought into Pana while I am in charge, and they refuse to retreat when ordered to do so, I will order my men to fire." Several black miners were murdered in the ensuing weeks. The AFL passed a resolution praising Governor Tanner and "Remember Pana" became a union mineworkers slogan.

Have you ever heard about the Davis-Bacon Act of 1931? It required federal construction contractors to pay local prevailing wages. It was created to protect northern and mostly white unionized construction workers from the southern, black, non-union construction workers. They feared blacks would be willing to work for lower wages and get all the jobs.

We've got more on the racist history of the unions coming up in a few minutes, but there's another historical aspect to unions they'd like you to ignore: communism.

If you think that it's not a big deal, does anyone remember California wanting to pass a bill that would have changed current law and allow communists to teach and use the public schools in California?

Here's the text: "Under existing law, a public employee is required to answer, under oath, specified questions, including, but not limited to, knowing membership in an organization advocating the forceful or violent overthrow of the government of the United States or of any state. This bill would delete these provisions."

Even though it was vetoed by Gov. Schwarzenegger, it's not stopping the unions from hiring teachers like this. In what universe would this be a good idea to take this out? Who would even think to bring this one to the table? Unless you are a teachers union looking to recruit more communist teachers.

We have a group that past presidents have said should not be able to organize in the government. Not only have they been able to organize, but they are going to be responsible to the biggest hits to our system. It won't be the banks that bring us down, it'll be the politicians and the unions. We have a president surrounding himself with Marxists and union leaders — unions that are stirring up hatred on the streets.

It's easy for me to say we have commies, unions, etc. who share the same goals as this administration. I don't want to say that. I can say it every day and it means nothing. I want to show you the history, built off what we've already showed you over the past few months. You decide: Do we have commies, unions and this administration sharing the same goals?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,595203,00.html

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I won't condone violence from either side of a Union and Business relationship..period. But violence has been started freom bothsides many many times in the history of this nation.....so don't go blaming one side or the other as the 1st instigator of violence because that would be incorrect.

Unions became a fact in the early 1900's in this country due to child labor and safety. The fact that workers would have to form a union to protect children from harm and long forced hours working in factories of the northeast should say something to you as to how the relationship between workers and their employers has developed.

YES unions can be corrupt and greedy and viscious and violent..........what makes you think business can't or hasn't been as well. If you think they are not then you are flat wrong and you need to study your history before you speak. Yes unions need a hard lookover. There do need to be changes and their has been but still more needs to be done......However unions DO provide a balance as an organization that addresses worker grievences and they also police labor laws and will take actions if those laws are violated... Yes sometimes the unions act to protect some who do not warrant their protections as some are guilty and need to be fired.............. but tell me when Business got so responsible that everything was on the up and up......hasn't happened and profit is the major motive.There are responsible employers who do care about their employees and the do provide a workplace that is safe and responsible for their employees as they have seen the benefit of that management style.....thus no need for unions.....

We can argue this into the ground and each side would be correct and wrong at the same time. Having said all this I remind you that if Unions had not come into existence then You my friend wqould be working in an unsafe enviroment right next to your 7 toed 8 yr old who works with you on the morning shift.....FRAK going to school..............they got work to do..........oh yeah and your kid makes 60 cents a day while you make a whole 4 dollars.

One more thing..........If you don't like Unions then study the Chinese model for labor relations.......You complain about pay and working conditions you may disappear to a village in Extreme Western Guaundong Province or you just may disappear......and remember that it is the Multi-National Corporations that built the Chinese models with the help of those stalworths of freedom loving Commies that run China.......Try that and see if you like the way you work for a living......................

I have seen films of peaceful Union protesters in Chicago/1958 demanding safer working conditions being shot and killed by police officers.........reference CNN archives and you can watch that yourself.............8 dead 58 wounded. I don't care if you want to believe it or not.

I hear a lot of people on this forum having hour long opinions about issues and about 5 mins of knowledge about those issues....Read..Learn...or Burn.

I was a union member for 22 years and I am no longer a member.....I had objections and stood my ground against my union....but I'll be darned if the whole basket should be thrown out because of some bad apples. Especially in favor of a corporation who doesn't give a crap about me or my job as long as I produce even under horrible conditions.........Unions were formed for reasons.............learn about it or stay ignorant......your choice.

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“God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.

The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is

wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts

they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,

it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...

And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not

warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of

resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as

to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost

in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from

time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

It is its natural manure." Thomas Jefferson

"Smith had a strong dislike for both governments and corporations. He viewed government primarily as instruments for extracting taxes to subsidize elites and for intervening in the market to protect monopoly. In his words, "Civil government, so far as it is instituted for the security of property, is in reality instituted for the defence of the rich against the poor, or of those who have some property against those who have none at all." Smith made no mention of government intervention to set and enforce minimum social, health, worker safety, and environmental standards in the common interest—to protect the poor against the rich. We can imagine that given the experience of his day the possibility never occurred to him".

http://deoxy.org/korten_betrayal.htm

"Labor, as one example of this, gets cheaper and cheaper which benefits the multinational companies, but not the workers themselves. Various international trade agreements that large corporations are able to strongly lobby favorable conditions in, are often designed in part to make resources (including workforces) cheaper".

http://www.globaliss...-workers-rights

and read this post

http://dinarvets.com..._1entry656513

When a group of people at one time lived in a cave and only knew darkness within that cave, their life at that point in time becomes their truth and reality. If one of them by chance looks farther out of the cave and sees a light. A dim light and that one person decides to climb and crawl to that light and when the person gets closer to the light and begins to pullhim/herself out of the cave. The light becomes blinding to that person. So much so, that person will be blinded by the light and not understand the reasons of that blindness. That person will become afraid and not want to travel anyfurther. But as the eyes become accustomed to light and that person begins to see clearly the truth and reality of the cave that blends into a new reality of a world with light. Then the only virtuous thing to do would be for that person to go back and lead others out of the cave and with that a conflict begins:

It is not an easy task to reach down and grab a hand of someone in the cave to help that person leave the darkness and into the light. Since leaving the darkness would be leaving a known and livable reality within that cave. Comparatively so, when people ask for a truth and others try to shed a little light on that particular truth, Plato’s cave story and Socrates' famous quote about that cave story come to my mind, "As for the man who tried to free them and lead them upward, if they could somehow lay their hands on him and kill him, they would do so."This is ironic in principle. The fact that a person is trying to help people think correctly and the masses are so stuck in their beliefs, the masses will ridicule that person and or threaten his/her life.

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i am really struggling with this topic. i am a union member, i have also served as a staff sergeant in iraq and afghanistan, and contrary to popular belief i do not vote democrat. i personally would not have been part of this abuse from these unions. i believe in a group to fight for employee rights, higher wages and better benefits. i do not agree on how the unions conduct their business( violence is not the way to get heard or prove your point) or how they spend my hard earned money. i do know for a fact that individuals in my trade who are not in a union make less than i do with little to no benefits (i have been on both sides). some people feel threatened and when people are losing everything they have worked for and see that corporations only care about making themselves richer(and not paying their fair share of taxes) and only taking care of themselves, they over react. i can only do my part of this equation and that is to vote these abusers out of office, just like voting those politicians (who only work for their agenda not the people )out of congress and pay my fair share of taxes and live my life and not judge individuals. Discrimination is the prejudicial treatment of an individual based on their membership in a certain group or category. so please do not judge all union members as corrupt or violent most of us are just trying to provide for our families and give them the best life that we can.

as for the other union members out there..... union officials are voted in, so go vote them out.

money, power, and greed is the root of all evil.

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I had been a union member for a number of years, but I quit them. I feel the unions at one time were good to help and protect the American worker. Now they are out of control and could be the death of the domestic industry, for they have all become gready, :angry: members and unions alike!

I was in a union for three years. Vowed to never be in one again. If the rank and file actually saw how their union fat cats spent their dues, they would blow up.

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