A conspiracy perhaps?

[jksa]

Legolas, let us assume that O IS holding up the RV. (I don't think so, but for the sake of argument, let's assume he is). Why would there be such a delay?

As you have stated, it would help our country if it was released now. So why? Think about this. What if there is debate as to HOW our government will spend this MONEY.

O has a track record and intense 2-year history of SPENDING, SPENDING, SPENDING. MUCH, MUCH, MUCH more than even Bush. Now, what if the Republicans are

holding out for this money to go to the national debt, but O wants to spend it on other social programs. What if O want to continue his philosophy of wealth re-distribution

and give this money away instead of paying down the national debt. That would be a good reason for the delay, wouldn't you agree?

[Mongo]

The debt has increased 9% under the Obama administration - big numbers, no doubt. But the stimulus package was approved by Congress, not "imposed" by Obama, and where might we be today had they not passed that bill. Is there doubt that this country was on the verge of a depression larger than that of 1929 when he took office ? Maybe they should have sat back and waited to see what would have happened, but that wouldn't seem to be the prudent decision. And where is the evidence that the top 1% of the money earners pay MOST of the tax burden? While the top bracket "in theory" is supposed to pay proportionately higher taxes, and some probably do, but in practice, due to loopholes and deductions, many of the wealthy pay very little in terms oft final percentages of income.

here's your new avatar............. you earned it

[tcat1]

ALL of the interesting conspiracies would be worth considering if there was any evidence that Obama is the one holding up the agreement on the budget deficit and debt ceiling, but if you follow the news, and listen to the debate, it's pretty clear that HE is actually furthest from being the holdup. It's not even a majority of the Republicans, but rather the new freshmen "Tea Party" members of Congress whom are steadfastly refusing to give ground. Obama seems open for nearly ANY resolution, with the exception of the slight increase in taxes on individuals making more than $250,000/year. This amounts to "at the most," $7,500 on those people, and mere "pennies" on multi-millionaires. He also reportedly refuses to cut funding for education, which would seem to be a no-brainer given the fact that our students have now fallen behind virtually every industrialized country in the world.

The Tea Party candidates "talk" a good game, but I've yet to hear them offer SOLUTIONS to the $15 TRILLION Dollar deficit. Money to operate a country has to come from SOMEWHERE, and it would seem that MOST of our leaders understand this. It's only a relatively small group which is obstructionist. Is the Tea Party trying to bring down the U.S. Economy? I kinda doubt it. It would seem more likely that they're trying to make a name for themselves, and they've found a great way to get attention. I'm not a big fan of EITHER party right now, but it seems pretty clear that neither of the big two are as unwilling to negotiate as is the Tea Party.

It's time that some of the very wealthy speak up and state that they'd be willing to pay a little more in taxes to help bring the country out of debt and to raise the educational standards of the U.S. In 8 short years, GWB managed to increased the deficit by 33% - almost 3 times more than any President in U.S. History. George senior was next at 13%. Very few seem to realize theses facts. Google THAT.

Finally, there is ZERO proof that the debt ceiling debate is holding up the RV, or for that matter that our RV even EXISTS for that matter, except in the minds of the gurus and pumpers, and more importantly, in those who have been brainwashed to believe them. I fear that in 10 days or so, the debt issue will finally be resolved, and we'll discover that this was yet ANOTHER in the hundreds of excuses we've heard over the past 5 years for why the RV has not occurred. It would seem likely that the reason all of these Senators and Congressmen have "HEARD" about the Dinar RV is due to the fact that they've received tens of thousands of calls and e-mails regarding it from crazed Dinar investors. Unfortunately, the fact that they're "aware" of it doesn't mean that it's holding up negotiations, or even that it's REAL for that matter. We'll just have to wait and see......as always.

spoken like a brainwashed neophite

[redrock]

I'll cast the first vote for "most ignorant post 2011"

I will second that!

[wbuse984]

U'd better take a MUCH closer look at the makeup of the current Supreme Court and Congress.

The problem was ascerbated by the PREVIOUS DEMOCRATIC Controlled Congress and the President...why is Obama not held accountable for his policies...Obama and the Democratic controlled congress are responsible for the final nail in the coffin of the fiscal soundness of our country...why are they not held accountable by liberals and the liberal controlled media...where is Obama's plan, what is his plan, he just sits like a dufus in the white house pontificating about "bring me a plan" so perhaps he should lead the way and put forth a plan, oh I forgot, his policy is to lead from behind or is it with his behind...

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[jksa]

rcrge, could you please remind me what the unemployement rate was under President Bush AND a Republican Congress for the first 6 years of his administration? I seem to have forgoten.

[E A Poe]

Junior1, please make a comment after you graduate from grammar school, get informed and educated to give your opinion; learn and comment!, go back to your crib and go to sleep!

No need for rudeness, I noticed you don't know how to spell illustrate....

[Moses]

I think we're still a long way from the "masses looting our homes" scenario, but much closer to seeing our citizens becoming less and less qualified to contribute to an expanding GDP and overall debt reduction." As quality of education continues to decline, THAT risk is far greater. If this continues, our ability to compete will decline even further, and costs to produce domestically will continue to rise. Ultimately, only the elite will have jobs, and THEN you may see your looting of our homes. When the "masses" can no longer afford basic services like housing, food and healthcare, chaos may eventually ensue. The middle class is quickly disappearing.

Societal colapse does not happen all at once. It happens in stages, while some may only be suffering from financial pain, others are feeling the effects of rising crime rates, and crime rates are rising rapidly.

GDP is dependent on a calculation of those who produce value vs. those who usurp from that value, hence the question.

The education system, K-12 and Higher is dominated by liberals and socialists, so the quality is dependent upon thier whims, and now the Feds control student loans,... do you see any potential conflicts or problems there? A non reported nugget slipped past most when the President indicated that student loans as well as SS checks would be interupted. Think that thru for a minute,.... nice way to send campuses up in smoke is it not? Inerupt student loans and there is a ready made hoard for disruption.

The masses can no longer afford basics, that is why over 50 million are now on food stamps. The middle class has to disappear in order for Socialism to establish its end goal, which is Totalitarianism.

If you really believe what you defend, then you need to start looking inward a bit more at your core values.

A wise man once said the following:

"Man, once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without rudder, is the sport of every wind. With such persons, gullibility, which they call faith, takes the helm from the hand of reason and the mind becomes a wreck." --Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Smith, 1822

Your qickness to defend against anything outside of your individual belief is beyond reason, Cut, Cap and Balance is the answer from one side in the debate on spending. And it is a debate on spending. The federal Gov. does not have a revenue problem, it has a spending problem.

Would you let a member of your family continue to spend more of what you earn, so that they can continue to be reckless in their ways?

U'd better take a MUCH closer look at the makeup of the current Supreme Court and Congress.

He clearly stated "appointees". But I would add.

The Supreme court makeup is; 4 liberal, 3 moderate, 2 conservative.

That totals 7 who think most of us need someone to tell us what is best for us.

[Legolas]

He clearly stated "appointees". But I would add.

The Supreme court makeup is; 4 liberal, 3 moderate, 2 conservative.

That totals 7 who think most of us need someone to tell us what is best for us.

Just out of curiosity. who are you including in the "moderate" category? Three of the nine were appointed by GWB, and Scalia was a Reagan appointee, who would appear to be VERY conservative. Roberts, Thomas and Alito are definitely considered conservative as well, with one of the conservatives believing that a god tells him how he should rule......something which should be disturbing to ANY legal mind, regardless of political or religious leanings.

[Moses]

Just out of curiosity. who are you including in the "moderate" category? Three of the nine were appointed by GWB, and Scalia was a Reagan appointee, who would appear to be VERY conservative. Roberts, Thomas and Alito are definitely considered conservative as well, with one of the conservatives believing that a god tells him how he should rule......something which should be disturbing to ANY legal mind, regardless of political or religious leanings.

Although right of what is considered center, Thomas does not meet the threshold of a conservative.

What the Hell is a "Legal Mind"? and why should we consider it important to our thinking? Your disdain for Christians reveals your core values and beliefs for all to see. To harbor disdain for any group is to harbor disdain for all groups.

G.W. Bush was NOT a conservative. Even the press invented "Neo Con" because they knew better then to pass him off as a conservative.

You seem to make a lot of assumptions to bolster your beliefs,.. guess you need irrational logic to support irrational beliefs.

[Legolas]

Although right of what is considered center, Thomas does not meet the threshold of a conservative.

Your disdain for Christians reveals your core values and beliefs for all to see. To harbor disdain for any group is to harbor disdain for all groups.

G.W. Bush was NOT a conservative. Even the press invented "Neo Con" because they knew better then to pass him off as a conservative.

I've yet to see Thomas described as anything BUT Conservative. He nearly always votes in step with Scalia, and if that's not conservative, I need a new dictionary. And if Bush wasn't conservative, WTF WAS he? "Neo" Conservative means NEW conservative. That can mean a lot of things, but it would seem to give new meaning to the term. My disdain is NOT for Christians....it's for ALL organized religion. I don't discriminate, and you're rude, so the discussion is over.

[dexter]

Can even God stop it now?

WOW----for you to be a Christian novelist and quick to give your "christian advice"/suggestions----to those here on the forums, it makes me wonder about your credibility and how deep your fatih actually runs with a question such as that!

[Nelg]

You are more correct than you realize. Google the book "None Dare Call It Conspiracy". It's free to read online and it's only 100 pages. It lays out what's going on in this country.

After reading through the post, I was just wondering how many of you read the book that was suggested? If you had you would note that this is much bigger than party politics. This is not a focus on one particular party. Read the book sited by "jpalm" above. It will temper the conversation tremendously and will eliminate a lot of this party bickering.

I listened the other day to a broadcast that revealed a strategy that had been compiled by a couple of socialist professor types on how to bring down the United States through debt accumulation and poor fiscal policies. The people presenting the documentation indicated that Obama is pretty much doing things according to their plan. Is it possible that Obama does not wish for the dinar to revalue and rescue the American economy (for a season anyway)? Lifting the debt ceiling would not have to be done in that eventuality - if the US truly has trillons of dinars. And raising the debt ceilng above the point where the govt can even make the interest payments on the debt seems to be the last nail in the coffin. Just thinking aloud here. From the peanut gallery, it does seem to me that a master scheme has been orchestrated to convert the US to socialism. The Trojan Horse has been pulled inside the gates of the city. Can even God stop it now? Watch the events unfold and be amazed. I sincerely hope one of them is the changing of the world economy through a dinar reval.

Scaramouche, thanks for the post.

[Moses]

I've yet to see Thomas described as anything BUT Conservative. He nearly always votes in step with Scalia, and if that's not conservative, I need a new dictionary. And if Bush wasn't conservative, WTF WAS he? "Neo" Conservative means NEW conservative. That can mean a lot of things, but it would seem to give new meaning to the term. My disdain is NOT for Christians....it's for ALL organized religion. I don't discriminate, and you're rude, so the discussion is over.

So if the lapdog press sez it enough it is true? If you still think "W" was a conservative,.. it is your thought process is off.

This is what really exposes you,.....you truly feel that a Christian Man which believes in the teaching of his religion should disturb us all just as you are "disturbed",.. and your disdain for this group should also be shared by all?

So,.. Jews, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Pagans,.. etc are all to be disdained,.. but you do not discriminate!?!?!?!?

This is what I meant when I typed that irrational beliefs require Irriational logic to support them.

"you're rude, so the discussion is over"!!!! LMAO, typical when you can't baffle them with BS, insult them and walk away,..

No wonder your Avatar is a petulant little boy!!

Edited July 22, 2011 by Moses

[PartyTime]

Wow i just cant believe it , we all know Bush bankrupted this country, probably Obama isnt much better , but he inherited this mess , we didnt have to be in two wars , we started two wars for no reason at all .

How is possible to bankrupt a countty when it is already bankript and has been operating under a bankruptcy since 1933? You can't bankrupt something that is already bankrupt and has been for 80 years now!