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Throughout my tenure on Dinar Vets, I've seen the words "reality" and "realism" thrown around quite a bit. There seem to be two common denominators with its use on this forum.

One is that the user(s) imply that there is some common definition that everyone agrees on.

The other is that most of the users of the word(s) do so in somewhat negative terms, i.e., imploring the reader to come back down to earth and "face reality.".

I think part of the problem actually is that there is NO common definition of the word "reality" as it pertains to the IQD investment.

So I'd like to invite a discussion centering around this specific question: "As it pertains to the IQD investment, what do you mean when you use the word "reality"?

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Throughout my tenure on Dinar Vets, I've seen the words "reality" and "realism" thrown around quite a bit. There seem to be two common denominators with its use on this forum.

One is that the user(s) imply that there is some common definition that everyone agrees on.

The other is that most of the users of the word(s) do so in somewhat negative terms, i.e., imploring the reader to come back down to earth and "face reality.".

I think part of the problem actually is that there is NO common definition of the word "reality" as it pertains to the IQD investment.

So I'd like to invite a discussion centering around this specific question: "As it pertains to the IQD investment, what do you mean when you use the word "reality"?

If anyone walked up to you on the streets and said I have this great investment where you put in 1k and will make 3 million, you would laugh in their face. The reality of that is preposterous because nobody would believe that kind of return. But in this investment that is what we are all hoping for. The naysayers that say face reality, you will be lucky to make 3 times your investment do so because they are naturally negative people. Why are they here if that is their belief? These people are the type that want to say I told you so. They state such low rates so if it does not happen to hit big like we all hope, they will be right and can point fingers. My reality is this - I am going for the dream and hope it hits big. If it doesn't, then I will be disappointed and move on.

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Throughout my tenure on Dinar Vets, I've seen the words "reality" and "realism" thrown around quite a bit. There seem to be two common denominators with its use on this forum.

One is that the user(s) imply that there is some common definition that everyone agrees on.

The other is that most of the users of the word(s) do so in somewhat negative terms, i.e., imploring the reader to come back down to earth and "face reality.".

I think part of the problem actually is that there is NO common definition of the word "reality" as it pertains to the IQD investment.

So I'd like to invite a discussion centering around this specific question: "As it pertains to the IQD investment, what do you mean when you use the word "reality"?

Reality is the mirror of ones experiences.

If not directly experienced, it can be inferred from the experiences of some trusted source.

Many look to finite sciences to infer reality; Mathematics is a good example.

Those who live in denial, the enablers and co-enablers that nourish denial all have a different view of reality; and it is outcome based.

The difference may come down to a choice between fact, hope and faith.

All have merit, and all can yield different realities.

Some view reality as doing the something over and over again; expecting a different outcome.

Their reality may be manifested by a lottery ticket.

What is Reality?

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Reality is the mirror of ones experiences.

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Exactly... Our lifetime experience.... What Life has taught us so far.... No more and no less than that.

Doesn't mean Life taught us to be necessarily negative....But surely gave us an idea of how our Reality works.....Nobody's fault... That's the way it is.....

Then sure.... Once in a lifetime, extraordinary things and events may happen.... Once in a lifetime.....

Keeping grounded but open to any outcome is a sensible approach imo.

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Reality is that God given instinctual feeling you get when you realize you have been had and no matter how much you believed it was true the cold hard "reality" starts to set in. Usually after a period of using your God given instinctual common sense.

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If anyone walked up to you on the streets and said I have this great investment where you put in 1k and will make 3 million, you would laugh in their face. The reality of that is preposterous because nobody would believe that kind of return. But in this investment that is what we are all hoping for. The naysayers that say face reality, you will be lucky to make 3 times your investment do so because they are naturally negative people. Why are they here if that is their belief? These people are the type that want to say I told you so. They state such low rates so if it does not happen to hit big like we all hope, they will be right and can point fingers. My reality is this - I am going for the dream and hope it hits big. If it doesn't, then I will be disappointed and move on.

You can also bet if there is no LOP and it does RV at any rate, they will never be seen on here again.

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Man, I was just watching a TV show where a guy was standing on the sidewalk trying to sell his $50 GOLD PIECE that is an ounce of real gold worth about $1500 (at time of taping) for 50 bucks. He was telling people the cafe wouldn't take that kind of money for payment.

Over TWENTY people stopped to talk to the guy, looked at the coin and passed. Every single one of them thought it must be too good to be true.

We have trained ourselves to keep a wall up, be cautious and everyone is a crook. We don't take chances or go with our 'gut feeling' anymore.

We actually try to talk ourselves OUT of things.

Well, my REALITY is: I know that NONE OF YOU ON HERE KNOWS ANYTHING about what is going to happen in Iraq. You can say what you THINK. You can argue, call names and DISSECT IT all you want, but in the end all we can do is sit back and watch.

I bought my Dinar because I thought (and still believe) it will increase in value and that Iraq will be a player in the world market in the near future. I didn't spend any more than I would at a casino. That way if I lose it all, big deal. Nothing ventured..........

So, relax, sit back and watch. No reason to get the blood pressure up if you have invested without betting the farm. Things will fall into place, we'll cash out (or not) whatever we have earned and go to the next deal.

Just to leave you with a good story. I was at a flea market last Saturday looking at a woman's table with some costume jewelry on it. I found a ring that was white gold with 14K stamped and had 2 fake diamonds on it. I asked the lady what she wanted for it. She said "10 bucks, it can't be real gold 'cause the stones re fake"

I actually tried to tell her it was real gold and she told me "Whatever you think. 10 bucks" So of course I paid her, came home, acid tested it, took the fake stones out of it, weighed it at 4 grams, put it on Ebay as scrap 14K gold with a Buy It Now of $99.00 and sold it within 10 MINUTES.

Dinars = Too good to be true? I'll wait and see.

buds

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Reality is what CBI does and what's actually posted by CBI and on Forex.

Everybody is hoping for a 3,000% return. Reality is that a 300% return is a great return on an investment.

Sure you can hope for more. But don't be afraid of education and hard socioeconomic facts. Sounds like you've been afraid to do your reading. You're entitled to hope. We all are and we all do. But don't go bashing people for looking at what Shabibi really says and seems to be doing.

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Hey Deadguy thanks for the stories. I agree that some times too good to be true works out to make a great profit. Antiques Road show is a perfect example. Some guy says yeah I bought this painting at an esate sale for 50 bucks and it turns out to be worth 50 grand. It happens.

I used to think that this could be one of those senerios which is why I got involved. The guy who told me about it was all hyped up and the guy who told him was all hyped up and I was all hyped up. You see where I am going with this? I used to think that this thing was a sure bet because the value could only go up. Well now I know that isnt the case and the too good to be true apspect may just prove to be. Maybe not. Maybe we will make millions but overtime and reading it has become clear that the whole dinar world is fueled by hype which sells dinar which is the bottom line. The dinar pumpers have the upper hand. They dont just want you to buy dinar. They want you to get hyped up and tell your family who will get hyped up and then tell your friends so they can get hyped up and tell their family and so on.

I am not saying that we will not see a profit from this thing. All I am saying is dont believe the hype.

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Reality is that God given instinctual feeling you get when you realize you have been had and no matter how much you believed it was true the cold hard "reality" starts to set in. Usually after a period of using your God given instinctual common sense.

let me ask you what is reality? please give me a definition is the world we live in reality? or in fact is this all like a dream? or is the spirit world more real then this world because that is your trueself? aks youself this question wait i know wat youre gonna say you are crazy, you are so detached from reality but seriously am I? or is it YOU that is blinded?

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Dinarck..... yep, let's hope something good comes of it. No need to sway either way until Iraq does whatever it's going to do.

Like I said. I didn't 'Bet the Farm' on this.

The people saying all the negative stuff reminds me of that one guy that stands behind poker players whispering about how bad people play and how good he is.

Who knows how we'll turn out on this? NO ONE YET!!!!!!!!!!!

I do know you can't WIN if you don't PLAY.

Time will tell

buds!

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Is it REALLY unclear what is meant by the word "reality" in terms of the IQD investment? Is it not reality that for the last 7-8 years the Dinar investor has been lied to thousands of times, repeatedly promised that the RV was "imminent" and virtually guaranteed to occur at any moment? How many times does one have to be told that the RV is done; de-dollarization has occurred; signing of contracts proves the new rate; payment of new contracts proves the new rate; election law was passed; Maliki is going to announce the RV to guarantee his re-election; Allawi is the new Prime Minister; Maliki is the new Prime Minister; Parliament is seated; government is completed; Ministers have been selected and approved; there will be a no-confidence vote to remove Maliki; Maliki was shot; the RV is in the 2010 budget; the RV is in the 2011 budget; HCL was passed; Iraqi people are dancing in the streets celebrating the RV; prices are being changed in Iraqi businesses reflecting the new rate, etc., etc., etc. Those are but a very few of the many dozens of examples of the lack of reality in the thousands of rumors. And THEN there are the countless BANK stories. Do we REALLY need to talk about the REALITY of the bank stories?

Can anyone honestly say that they believe that it's merely "coincidence" that every single one of the rumors regarding the RV of the IQD has been unfounded? Is it not reality that it's all been a lie? Does anyone seriously believe that the pumpers have been making up these stories for the past 7-8 years out of the goodness of their hearts because they desperately want to make us millionaires, and this has been the only way they could convince us to buy more Dinars "for our own good?" REALLY? Is it truly being "negative" to point out these thousands of "realities" and question the integrity of the people who have been bringing us this priceless "intel?" Are you kidding me? Seriously?

Without even considering the abundance of information regarding the removal of the three zeros which has come out in the last couple of months and a person's possible interpretation of that material, any reasonable person would have to admit that it's crazy to question the totality of this reality. If you haven't yet read the topic "FACING THE RUMOR REALITY" in the rumors section, take a few minutes and read it. Obviously it can't yet be positively determined what the final outcome will be, but to question the "reality" of the currently available preponderance of the evidence is truly amazing. Hope and wishful thinking is one thing, but ignoring many years worth of in-your-face evidence is inexcusable, no matter how optimistic one would like to be. NEXT realistic has-to-RV-by date please? Sorry if I sound a little angry, but by now, EVERYONE should be a little angry. :rolleyes:

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let me ask you what is reality? please give me a definition is the world we live in reality? or in fact is this all like a dream? or is the spirit world more real then this world because that is your trueself? aks youself this question wait i know wat youre gonna say you are crazy, you are so detached from reality but seriously am I? or is it YOU that is blinded?

I like it, Easy!!!

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let me ask you what is reality? please give me a definition is the world we live in reality? or in fact is this all like a dream? or is the spirit world more real then this world because that is your trueself? aks youself this question wait i know wat youre gonna say you are crazy, you are so detached from reality but seriously am I? or is it YOU that is blinded?

Wow!! Let me think how I can word this so not to get banned from this site. I think it is clear that reality has left your mind about 200 Frank chats ago. If you consider pumper logic and fantasy land wishful thinking reality then you would be the most real person here. It is funny how you would insinuate that I am some how blinded when your eyes have been closed to any other possibility than RV from the get go. Sorry to be such a jerk about it Easy but please don't speak to me about reality.

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I don't get the anger part of all of this. When you go bet at the race track you play trifectas, quinellas and Daily Doubles. They are a REAL LONG SHOT, but sometimes they hit and when they do it pays off well.

When I sit at a poker table with 1400 other people in a tournament the odds are 1400 to 1 against me, but I play anyway because if I get lucky I WIN BIG. Poker of course involves skill also but to win a big tournament you also have to get real lucky.

I 'bet' on Dinar after doing some reading, but about the COUNTRY, the resources and history. Not what OKIE or some other fool was yelling like a carnival barker.

The only people who should be angry are people that drank the koolaid, invested more than they could afford to lose or believed all of the BS that was written by a COMPLETE STRANGER ON AN INTERNET FORUM. that anger should be directed at themselves for being sucked in by the rhetoric of others with agendas.

:ile I said before. NO ONE KNOWS what's going to happen. there's not going to be a 'magic forex switch' turned on at 2AM. The country isn't going to completely change the way people pay for things without doing at LEAST 2 things.

Here is Dead Guy's personal tips 1. New CURRENCY... you can't change anything without it. 2. Teaching people the new pricing structure.

Until we see Iraq bringing out the new bills and showing their citizens how to use the new money then all we can do is wait and talk.

buds

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I don't get the anger part of all of this. When you go bet at the race track you play trifectas, quinellas and Daily Doubles. They are a REAL LONG SHOT, but sometimes they hit and when they do it pays off well.

When I sit at a poker table with 1400 other people in a tournament the odds are 1400 to 1 against me, but I play anyway because if I get lucky I WIN BIG. Poker of course involves skill also but to win a big tournament you also have to get real lucky.

I 'bet' on Dinar after doing some reading, but about the COUNTRY, the resources and history. Not what OKIE or some other fool was yelling like a carnival barker.

The only people who should be angry are people that drank the koolaid, invested more than they could afford to lose or believed all of the BS that was written by a COMPLETE STRANGER ON AN INTERNET FORUM. that anger should be directed at themselves for being sucked in by the rhetoric of others with agendas.

:ile I said before. NO ONE KNOWS what's going to happen. there's not going to be a 'magic forex switch' turned on at 2AM. The country isn't going to completely change the way people pay for things without doing at LEAST 2 things.

Here is Dead Guy's personal tips 1. New CURRENCY... you can't change anything without it. 2. Teaching people the new pricing structure.

Until we see Iraq bringing out the new bills and showing their citizens how to use the new money then all we can do is wait and talk.

buds

I guess I agree with "part" of what you're saying Dead Guy in that no one knows with certainty what's going to happen. But I think the attempted analogy with the race track and the poker table are erroneous. The horses don't lie to you before the race, and you receive only factual information on the racing form detailing the stats of the horses and jockeys. The dealer at the poker table doesn't deal from the bottom of the deck, and the players don't cheat. (If they do, they get shot.....ask John Wayne) I think it's also naive to believe that a large majority of the IQD investors haven't been tremendously influenced by the lies of the many individuals who have successfully represented themselves as experts and/or having access to super duper secret squirrel "intel" on a daily basis. There is definitely a huge difference, and therein lies the justification for the anger. MANY people have been hurt by these individuals.

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Legolas, then to those people my heart goes out.

When it comes to money and investing people need to do their due diligence. This isn't a get rich quick scheme. It's a country trying to rebuild after a dictator murdered, raped and stole anything he could from the people. It's not like buying a share of stock from a company with a good track record.

No the horses don't lie, but PEOPLE DO. If some people feel 'cheated' or 'duped' then I feel for them. Going into this I knew it was a very very long shot. Anytime you have a chance of big reward you have a big risk. I did not buy 1 Dinar because someone said something or posted a prediction on a website.

I bought mine knowing it's a huge risk that if played out JUST RIGHT, would make me a good amount of money. Just like pulling the handle of a slot machine. Nothing more. To the people that was 'talked into' buying Dinar....... as I said earlier, my heart goes out to them. It's an expensive lesson on money management. They wouldn't bet their mortgage on a slot machine if someone told them it's about to hit would they?

Best to ya

buds

PS: To me my attempted analogies were spot on.This is a HUGE GAMBLE.

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Legolas, then to those people my heart goes out.

When it comes to money and investing people need to do their due diligence. This isn't a get rich quick scheme. It's a country trying to rebuild after a dictator murdered, raped and stole anything he could from the people. It's not like buying a share of stock from a company with a good track record.

No the horses don't lie, but PEOPLE DO. If some people feel 'cheated' or 'duped' then I feel for them. Going into this I knew it was a very very long shot. Anytime you have a chance of big reward you have a big risk. I did not buy 1 Dinar because someone said something or posted a prediction on a website.

I bought mine knowing it's a huge risk that if played out JUST RIGHT, would make me a good amount of money. Just like pulling the handle of a slot machine. Nothing more. To the people that was 'talked into' buying Dinar....... as I said earlier, my heart goes out to them. It's an expensive lesson on money management. They wouldn't bet their mortgage on a slot machine if someone told them it's about to hit would they?

Best to ya

buds

PS: To me my attempted analogies were spot on.This is a HUGE GAMBLE.

I have to agree with you DeadGuy. It was, and is a HUGE gamble. However, I can assure you that without a doubt, unlike you, MOST of those who have bought into the Dinar RV did so because they were convinced that they had been let in on a little-known secret which would, within in a very short period of time, make them overnight millionaires with only a comparatively tiny investment. While it's true that this fact, in and of itself should have raised a big red flag, most were persuaded by well-meaning friends and family that this was a "once-in-a-lifetime" opportunity which they couldn't afford to pass up, and had only days or even hours to act before it would be too late, because the RV was imminent. For "several" years now, these pumper criminals have conducted a brilliant marketing campaign to sell Billions of Dinars, and have been "assisted" in their endeavors by unsuspecting website members who eagerly pass on their lies, believing they are doing a public service. The truly amazing thing is that despite overwhelming evidence that all of their intel has been fabricated, their campaign is STILL unbelievably effective. Most of these situations last a year or less. This one has continued more than 5, and is still growing. I suspect that in the end, while we may never know the exact numbers, the total Dollar volume involved will make the Bernie Madoff case look small in comparison.

That's not to say that there isn't a chance that a profit might still be made, but in terms of what was anticipated and promised verses the likely end result, these guys have put Madoff's persuasive abilities to shame, and it just keeps on coming. The ever-increasing numbers of investors, even after more than 5 years of proven disappointment, demonstrate that beyond question. Most of us are fortunate, in that we won't be irreparably harmed if the outcome is other than what we have hoped for. BUT, over the years, many individuals and families HAVE been significantly hurt by these people That they should have known better doesn't really mitigate or excuse the conduct of those responsible.

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Thanks Sirius!

The funny thing is most of the people he offers it to walk away thinking "HA! He's not going to fool me"

I saw one where he would trade the coin for a CUP OF COFFEE. The thing is, most people would buy someone down and out a cup of coffee anyway!

I see our investment just like those videos. Before you can get happy or mad about anything you have to let it play out.

They'll be PLENTY of time for yelling, screaming and finger pointing after all of this plays out.

But, until Iraq tells me that my investment is crap, then I'll leave the analyzing, speculating, PHDing, auction counting, M1 and M2ing and every other angle you can look at this to people with more time on their hands than me.

buds

chuck

PS: Legolas, I'm SURE you are right! It's great to hear every angle without name calling and anger. Thank you for that. I'm sure to a WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE that this may very well be the most expensive lesson ever on investing in what other people say or do instead of studying for yourself.

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