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Just some info on Roger's stance about so-called "gurus" and their bad info.

It's about time somebody stood up to the BS and lies!

* I’ve given way too many sites and their “pumpers” way too much exposure and much too big of a forum to grow their numbers through deception and rumor mongering. As such, though I can’t control what they post on their own sites, I CAN control what is shared on MY site. So, going forward, each poster in the Dinar-following world has 3 strikes. That means, if a person sharing info proclaims an RV is imminent 3 different times, and is wrong each time, they will NEVER be allowed on my site again. You will find some already, going forward, that will never be allowed here again. If their words come onto my site, it’s because one of my helpers did it accidentally (it definitely won’t be because of me), and as soon as I know about it, their words will be taken down. I may not be able to control what is said, but if people on other sites wish to have exposure here, then they better clean up the way they share their supposed information. It’s all in the “delivery”… state it as a fact, then I’m taking it as fact and you are accountable. Give me caveats and disclaimers and explanations about your theory or speculation, then I will take it in with appreciation as information for me to consider from you.

So, there you have it… time to get real! Time to hold people accountable for their wild, unreserved, and irresponsible claims. I will no longer allow this site to be used by others to propagate their manipulative schemes.

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Just some info on Roger's stance about so-called "gurus" and their bad info.

It's about time somebody stood up to the BS and lies!

* I’ve given way too many sites and their “pumpers” way too much exposure and much too big of a forum to grow their numbers through deception and rumor mongering. As such, though I can’t control what they post on their own sites, I CAN control what is shared on MY site. So, going forward, each poster in the Dinar-following world has 3 strikes. That means, if a person sharing info proclaims an RV is imminent 3 different times, and is wrong each time, they will NEVER be allowed on my site again. You will find some already, going forward, that will never be allowed here again. If their words come onto my site, it’s because one of my helpers did it accidentally (it definitely won’t be because of me), and as soon as I know about it, their words will be taken down. I may not be able to control what is said, but if people on other sites wish to have exposure here, then they better clean up the way they share their supposed information. It’s all in the “delivery”… state it as a fact, then I’m taking it as fact and you are accountable. Give me caveats and disclaimers and explanations about your theory or speculation, then I will take it in with appreciation as information for me to consider from you.

So, there you have it… time to get real! Time to hold people accountable for their wild, unreserved, and irresponsible claims. I will no longer allow this site to be used by others to propagate their manipulative schemes.

renaming from Gurus to Guanos...fitting!

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guess we'll see how that goes --- since his posts are brought to his site by his people --- and the other thing that is unclear is -- does the 3 strikes start NOW or are those who are already guilty forever banned from there??

Just a reminder to all to stay away from the "rumors" here if you are no longer entertained by them.

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Well thank you Roger... It is about time someone took the Bull by the horns and made a stand against the propagators of lies. We want the truth and nothing but the truth.. Because as one famous individual stated ' We Can Handle the Truth " maybe he said it a bit diff but I think we get the point. Again Thanks for your Bravery and Committment to having a clean site.

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guess we'll see how that goes --- since his posts are brought to his site by his people --- and the other thing that is unclear is -- does the 3 strikes start NOW or are those who are already guilty forever banned from there??

Just a reminder to all to stay away from the "rumors" here if you are no longer entertained by them.

I agree that rumors should be viewed as entertainment BUT, these "gurus" have progressed to crossing certain boundaries of social acceptance.

If these guys are ever connected to dinar sales via a paper trail or electronic trail, there will be the potential for both legal action and civil liability.

I personally have doubts that and registered currency dealer would put themselves in such a position or at least, would have to be very, VERY careful not to have any verifiable connection with said "pumpers"

THERE NEEDS TO BE ACCOUNTABILITY!

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Isn't that called censorship? I think so.. I don't think any of these posters are twisting anyones arms. It has been well stated by sooooooooo many people to do your own homework, do not listen to these people and stay grounded. So if people are doing anything other than that, it is there own fault.

I'm sorry, but I am an adult and I want to hear the information because inside of each post is a little nugget of info that actually does have some meaning. If you people want to be inside of in information vacuum then fine, unplug and stop reading the posts.

BTW.... I did not say I agree with the so called "pumpers" I just think the minute you start censoring information, then we are no longer a democratic society that believes in the freedom of speech.

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Gibbs427,

Nice post. I agree with your position and in a weird way agree with some of the other folks providing a counterargument. These forums are all glass houses and it's funny how there always seems to be this rivalry amongst particular site-loyal-followers.

I consider myself to be quite objective and go to a variety of sources for my information...and I would summarize the style, content, rules, site administration, etc. of these different sites as a difference in semantics...period. If I want to put all my eggs in Okie's basket, so be it (do I? heck no! he's a joke IMO...nuff said lol). It boils down to each individual educating themselves to be able to come to your own conclusions (date, rate, LOP/no LOP, green zone this, green zone that, bank rumor blah blah, actual real news, etc.)

The other piece to your post (that I don't see included) is that Mr. DD himself hasn't removed these rumors altogether. He has relocated them so if you want to read them, you still can; you'll just need to dig a little deeper (via a couple more clicks). I believe he also mentioned something about giving more of his prime website real estate to more value-added items whatever they may be.

That's my 23.54 iqd

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Roger should be praised for trying to curb the intentional lies and TOTAL DISRESPECTFULNESS of the few people with no morals.There are thousands of families on these sites praying for a better way of life and take this investment very serious.I understand the importance of a light hearted attitude,humor as pertaining to this investment because it is very frustrating! There is no place for the kind of BS that has been dubbed entertainment on these sites or anywhere else.

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Got to say I disagree with most of the responses above. Let's be candid for a moment: I don't have any friends in Iraq nor do I have any connections that can speak definitively about the dinar reval- so, I find that I have 3 choices: 1) do my own research and make an educated guess; 2) be blind- set the dinars away and wait for an email from Adam; or 3) do the above but read the rumors and 'intel' that these gurus give so at least I have an insight into what MIGHT be happening. I choose 3 and it really seems to be a no-brainer for me. It seems analogous to having an incurable disease: I might listen to the doctors who give me a treament to reduce the pain; I might listen to the scientist who says "sorry but we're working on it"; or, I might go to the faith healer and hope for a miracle. If I was in that situation, I'd try all 3 and get as many people praying as possible. My point is- why would I shun any option in my search for a remedy?

Now, the above presumes that I hold myself accountable for being in this investment and that I'm strong enough to realize my own financial situation and not to 'bet the house' on the dinar revaluating soon. I want the 'gurus' to speak up because they may have better contacts than I do which I freely admit are zero- if anyone has credible contacts, then let him/her speak up and offer their intel- I'll read it and discern whether or not it's credible to me just like I would expect any member on any site to do. I've said it before, I've read it before... this investment is about personal accountability. DDaddy/ Roger simply moved the Rumors and Doozies to a secondary access- he didn't get rid of it (which I believe would diminsh his membership) and I wonder as to the timing- I mean, didn't he get upset because some site said they had a greater membership than he did??? Do you think this might be a response to that??? I don't know, just find the timing funny.

I'll close with: let the 'gurus' speak- some of them might actually have intel; be a good steward of your own estate and be cautious in your investment in this endeavor; and finally, do your own research, question everything until you have money in bank, and continue to do the day-day activities that get you through the day. It's all on you- no blame, no regrets and no b itching. Good luck all and GO RV.

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Anybody that takes RUMORS and GURU's as truth, has the REALITY GENE missing from their body

you can't take it with a grain of salt because you have none, there's a gray area between common sense and gulibility where there should be a thin black line.

This condition has crept into our GOV. also, when they lack the understanding and there's a huge gray area, they feel duped and the censorship talk starts. This country was founded on free speech, but you have to do your part with common sense to help you discern what's believable and what's not (I know some people will never have any CS). Don't be spoon fed, question everything

and yes, do your own reserch. How many time has "DO YOUR OWN RESERCH " been posted here on DV? MANY

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I've followed (some other freakin' site) for some time now. Although I've never met or spoken with Roger, I don't think he's a bad guy or a pumper or a "guru." He's a guy that set up a clearing house of sorts for information related to our investment.

Here're Roger's words from May 28th:

"May 28, 2011 05:59 pm · Posted in CHATS & POSTS (Iraqi Dinar Info), TIDBITS ((some other freakin' site)Info) · Comments Off

All,

I am posting this to address a few things that I’ve posted about before, but that I feel need to be addressed again relating to the “Rumors” and “Doozies” sections of my site. Here are my thoughts…

1. EVERYTHING in the “Rumors“ and “Doozies“ sections of my site… I DO NOT BELIEVE! I post that information there NOT to “glorify” or “promote” those posters’ information, but to share what I believe to be the truth, or “untrue” in this case.

You see, rumors come with a natural and built-in dilemma. Here are the choices I have to make when I receive such information:

■Share it… but then I face the problem that it may be false, misleading, or even a flat-out lie, and someone knowing that information could make poor decisions on their own because of it.

■Share it… whether it’s true or false because I understand that by posting it, I’m exposing either the posters’ lies and/or credibility, and by doing this, I’m educating the reading audience to stop believing such information from those who would seek to lead you down a path of manipulation and lies.

■Don’t Share it… but then face the problem that it may be true or helpful in some way for others to become more discerning about those who share information.

You see, the dilemma is that even a bad post or LIE can still bring about good. How do you say? Because, I, through my website, am able to bring a different perspective to reference and use when trying to make sense of both this investment AND those who post their information. When people read it in the “Doozies“ section, those who’ve been around for a while instantly discredit the information in their own head before they even read the information being shared. They then read the information with a more level head, hoping the information is true, but not expecting or counting on it. Everyone wins!

Back in the day, before [my site], site owners could run their sites however they chose, without any fear of repercussion, and without any monitoring or backlash. Why? Because if anyone stepped out of line, they’d boot the member… HITLERESQUE in every way. Anyway, now they run the risk of discrediting themselves to their members and potential new visitors if they continue to act so distasteful. With [my site] standing off in the distance, the order is restored in favor of the truth-seekers, away from the site owners and their natural conflicts of interest.

Just so you know, even I have faced such conflicts at times, and anyone who have followed me for any extended period of time, knows the battles I shared openly. I chose to be open, honest, and transparent to avoid any concerns from my readers about all that. For this very reason, other site owners both love my site and hate me. They get tremendous exposure, and can instantly gain thousands of visitors to their offering. But, if they get out of line with their ridiculous claims in order to try and gain exposure and excitement about their site, and that they are so different than everyone else, they lose credibility through the built-in monitoring system of [my site].

So, I find myself repeating myself yet again that I have no way of validating their information, so I post it, as it TOO is part of what I deem to be “all things Dinar-related” [emphasis mine] within the online Dinar-following world. I just take the information for what it is and nothing more. I no longer believe ANYONE sharing supposed super-secret intel. I am grateful to EVERYONE who shares information, as it teaches me something everytime… either about my investment, or about that individual.

If you’ve had it up to your eyeballs with rumors, I’d exhort you this… DO NOT READ THEM. If you feel you need a boost about your investment, then go right ahead and read away, but with caution.

I have both a moral obligation and responsibility to the stated purpose of my site to continue posting unconfirmed rumors, as they too are “all things Dinar-related” [emphasis mine] as I’ve stated above. Regardless how many times the sharer of information is wrong, I will continue to share. [emphasis mine] Why? Because the followers of my site are a mixed bag… some very old, some experienced, some getting “the wiser”, and some who are brand spanking new. It is this last group that deserves the same respect, experience, and opportunity to learn as the seasoned followers who already know. Also, as I’m NOT judge and jury over all Dinar information, I can’t and won’t discriminate that way."

Roger used the word "Hitleresque." I won't go there.

I'll say a "Ray Bradbury-esque" in a pre-Fahrenheit 451 kind of way --- you'll let me read only those things that you allow me to read if you allow me to read anything at all. Although Hitler burned a bunch of books, too.

Hey, it's Roger's site; he can do as he pleases. And that's that.

But maybe he should start referring to (some other freakin' site) as "The Hub of Most Things Dinar-related" or "Some Things Dinar-related" or

"The Hub of Things-I-Like Dinar-related. But definitely not "The Hub of All Things Dinar-related."

My 2 cents.

Bring it on Bashers!

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Roger should be praised for trying to curb the intentional lies and TOTAL DISRESPECTFULNESS of the few people with no morals.There are thousands of families on these sites praying for a better way of life and take this investment very serious.I understand the importance of a light hearted attitude,humor as pertaining to this investment because it is very frustrating! There is no place for the kind of BS that has been dubbed entertainment on these sites or anywhere else.

How do you do that without heading toward SOCIALISM?

intentional lies (JYO) is free speech

It's there for you to take it or leave it

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The Only Real Gurus out there are TK his BUTTY BIG "AL" Doopie Okie and Athena and Bond Lady. "Peeps" put together these folks are the reason for the hold up in the RV you see these Gurus hold more than 950 Trillion In Dinar. This has been confirmed from a top level high source that these guys are on the phone with every night! Just saying Folks you heard it from me first "TK" an BIg "AL" are holding out bc they want a rate of $40-$50.00......Please take this as rumor as I await to confirm from a few more sources!

ANY questions call BIG "AL" @ 1-900-Nuff-Said........

"Just Saying"!

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Isn't that called censorship? I think so.. I don't think any of these posters are twisting anyones arms. It has been well stated by sooooooooo many people to do your own homework, do not listen to these people and stay grounded. So if people are doing anything other than that, it is there own fault.

I'm sorry, but I am an adult and I want to hear the information because inside of each post is a little nugget of info that actually does have some meaning. If you people want to be inside of in information vacuum then fine, unplug and stop reading the posts.

BTW.... I did not say I agree with the so called "pumpers" I just think the minute you start censoring information, then we are no longer a democratic society that believes in the freedom of speech.

Its not censoring, its about the truth. and roger is right. made up stories. the only truth is the forex

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I visit these sites to gain more knowledge in the workings and procedures of the happenings in Iraq. I expect to receive the most factual information on the subject that is the topic of discussion. I do not have time for fairy tales, lies, or just figments of somebody's imagination.

Most of these sites have statements regarding vulgar and obscene language, as well as disagreeable conduct. I also feel as Roger has stated, lies are not to be permitted.

I applaud Roger for his position on allowable content on his site. Our investment deserves the best and most factual up to date information available.

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Got to say I disagree with most of the responses above. Let's be candid for a moment: I don't have any friends in Iraq nor do I have any connections that can speak definitively about the dinar reval- so, I find that I have 3 choices: 1) do my own research and make an educated guess; 2) be blind- set the dinars away and wait for an email from Adam; or 3) do the above but read the rumors and 'intel' that these gurus give so at least I have an insight into what MIGHT be happening. I choose 3 and it really seems to be a no-brainer for me. It seems analogous to having an incurable disease: I might listen to the doctors who give me a treament to reduce the pain; I might listen to the scientist who says "sorry but we're working on it"; or, I might go to the faith healer and hope for a miracle. If I was in that situation, I'd try all 3 and get as many people praying as possible. My point is- why would I shun any option in my search for a remedy?

Now, the above presumes that I hold myself accountable for being in this investment and that I'm strong enough to realize my own financial situation and not to 'bet the house' on the dinar revaluating soon. I want the 'gurus' to speak up because they may have better contacts than I do which I freely admit are zero- if anyone has credible contacts, then let him/her speak up and offer their intel- I'll read it and discern whether or not it's credible to me just like I would expect any member on any site to do. I've said it before, I've read it before... this investment is about personal accountability. DDaddy/ Roger simply moved the Rumors and Doozies to a secondary access- he didn't get rid of it (which I believe would diminsh his membership) and I wonder as to the timing- I mean, didn't he get upset because some site said they had a greater membership than he did??? Do you think this might be a response to that??? I don't know, just find the timing funny.

I'll close with: let the 'gurus' speak- some of them might actually have intel; be a good steward of your own estate and be cautious in your investment in this endeavor; and finally, do your own research, question everything until you have money in bank, and continue to do the day-day activities that get you through the day. It's all on you- no blame, no regrets and no b itching. Good luck all and GO RV.

I agree....I read everything.......I get my comics from Okie(GET)........on this site we have alot of info or should I say misinformation sometimes but I don't rush and buy dinars because of some so called guru

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Haha "lies are not to be permitted". Wow man, what country do you think you live in? There's no way to tell between lies and bad Intel so get used to more of the same "lies", buddy.

That is exactly why he has implemented a 'three strike' policy. If you get to three, you've proven that you are not trustworthy, regardless whether it was due to 'bad intel' or outright lying. It might just make a few people think twice before posting outright lies.

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