Quotes from or about the New World Order Elites

[Candinar]

Just something to read while the RV is completed..

"The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government of the U.S. since the days of Andrew Jackson."

- U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt in a letter written Nov. 21, 1933 to Colonel E. Mandell House

“If congress has the right under the Constitution to issue paper money, it was given them to use themselves, not to be delegated to individuals or corporations.”

- Andrew Jackson

“The Government should create, issue, and circulate all the currency and credits needed to satisfy the spending power of the Government and the buying power of consumers. By the adoption of these principles, the taxpayers will be saved immense sums of interest. Money will cease to be master and become the servant of humanity.”

- Abraham Lincoln

We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans."

- Bill Clinton, USA Today on 3/11/93, page 2a

“It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.”

- Henry Ford

"Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government."

- Henry Kissinger, Bilderberger Conference in Evians, France, 1991

"The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining super capitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent."

- Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets

“Some even believe we (the Rockefeller family) are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.”

- David Rockefeller, Memoirs, page 405

"It is the system of nationalist individualism that has to go....We are living in the end of the sovereign states....In the great struggle to evoke a Westernized World Socialism, contemporary governments may vanish....Countless people...will hate the new world order....and will die protesting against it." - H.G. Wells, in his book, “The New World Order”, 1940

“Bankers own the earth; take it away from them but leave them with the power to create credit; and, with a flick of a pen, they will create enough money to buy it back again... If you want to be slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, then let the bankers control money and control credit.”

- Sir Josiah Stamp, Director, Bank of England, 1940.

"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order."

- David Rockefeller

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years... It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries."

- David Rockefeller, Bilderberg Meeting, June 1991 Baden, Germany

"The few who understand the system, will either be so interested from it's profits or so dependent on it's favors, that there will be no opposition from that class." - Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild

“Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws."

- Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild

“I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war.” –

Abraham Lincoln - In a letter written to William Elkin

"In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn't such a great idea after all."

- Strobe Talbot, President Clinton's Deputy Secretary of State, Time Magazine, July 20th, l992

“If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them, will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.” - Thomas Jefferson

“The system of banking [is] a blot left in all our Constitutions, which, if not covered, will end in their destruction... I sincerely believe that banking institutions are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity... is but swindling futurity on a large scale.”

- Thomas Jefferson

“I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a moneyed aristocracy that has set the Government at defiance. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs.”

- Thomas Jefferson

“... To take a single step beyond the boundaries thus specially drawn around the powers of Congress is to take possession of a boundless field of power, no longer susceptible of any definition. The incorporation of a bank, and the powers assumed by this bill [chartering the first Bank of the United States], have not, been delegated to the United States by the Constitution.”

- Thomas Jefferson - in opposition to the chartering of the first Bank of the United States (1791).

“We have stricken the (slave) shackles from four million human beings and brought all laborers to a common level not so much by the elevation of former slaves as by practically reducing the whole working population, white and black, to a condition of serfdom. While boasting of our noble deeds, we are careful to conceal the ugly fact that by an iniquitous money system we have nationalized a system of oppression which, though more refined, is not less cruel than the old system of chattel slavery.”

- Horace Greeley - (1811-1872) founder of the New York Tribune

“When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.”

- Frederic Bastiat - (1801-1850) in Economic Sophisms

“The powers of financial capitalism had (a) far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland; a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world.”

- Prof. Carroll Quigley in Tragedy and Hope

“In a small Swiss city sits an international organization so obscure and secretive....Control of the institution, the Bank for International Settlements, lies with some of the world's most powerful and least visible men: the heads of 32 central banks, officials able to shift billions of dollars and alter the course of economies at the stroke of a pen.”

- Keith Bradsher of the New York Times, August 5, 1995

“The Federal Reserve Bank of New York is eager to enter into close relationship with the Bank for International Settlements....The conclusion is impossible to escape that the State and Treasury Departments are willing to pool the banking system of Europe and America, setting up a world financial power independent of and above the Government of the United States....The United States under present conditions will be transformed from the most active of manufacturing nations into a consuming and importing nation with a balance of trade against it.”

- Rep. Louis McFadden - Chairman of the House Committee on

Banking and Currency quoted in the New York Times (June 1930)

“Nothing did more to spur the boom in stocks than the decision made by the New York Federal Reserve bank, in the spring of 1927, to cut the rediscount rate. Benjamin Strong, Governor of the bank, was chief advocate of this unwise measure, which was taken largely at the behest of Montagu Norman of the Bank of England....At the time of the Banks action I warned of its consequences....I felt that sooner or later the market had to break.”

- Money baron Bernard Baruch in Baruch: The Public Years (1960)

“The Federal Reserve Bank is nothing but a banking fraud and an unlawful crime against civilization. Why? Because they "create" the money made out of nothing, and our Uncle Sap Government issues their "Federal Reserve Notes" and stamps our Government approval with NO obligation whatever from these Federal Reserve Banks, Individual Banks or National Banks, etc.”

- H.L. Birum, Sr., American Mercury, August 1957, p. 43

“[The] abandonment of the gold standard made it possible for the welfare statists to use the banking system as a means to an unlimited expansion of credit.... In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to protect savings from confiscation through inflation. There is no safe store of value. If there were, the government would have to make its holdings illegal, as was done in the case of gold.... The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves.... [This] is the shabby secret of the welfare statist's tirades against gold. Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the 'hidden' confiscation of wealth. Gold stands in the way of this insidious process. It stands as a protector of property rights.”

- Alan Greenspan in an article he wrote in 1966.

“History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and its issuance.” – James Madison

"I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within."

- General Douglas MacArthur

“In March, 1915, the J.P. Morgan interests, the steel, shipbuilding, and powder interest, and their subsidiary organizations, got together 12 men high up in the newspaper world and employed them to select the most influential newspapers in the United States and sufficient number of them to control generally the policy of the daily press....They found it was only necessary to purchase the control of 25 of the greatest papers. "An agreement was reached; the policy of the papers was bought, to be paid for by the month; an editor was furnished for each paper to properly supervise and edit information regarding the questions of preparedness, militarism, financial policies, and other things of national and international nature considered vital to the interests of the purchasers."

- U.S. Congressman Oscar Callaway, 1917

"The invisible Money Power is working to control and enslave mankind. It financed Communism, Fascism, Marxism, Zionism, Socialism. All of these are directed to making the United States a member of a World Government."

- American Mercury Magazine, December 1957, p. 92

"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes."

- Benjamin Disraeli, first Prime Minister of England, "Coningsby, the New Generation", 1844

"I believe that if the people of this nation fully understood what Congress has done to them over the last 49 years, they would move on Washington; they would not wait for an election....It adds up to a preconceived plan to destroy the economic and social independence of the United States!"

- George W. Malone, U.S. Senator (Nevada), speaking before Congress, 1957

"The United Nations will spearhead our efforts to manage the new conflicts (that afflict our world)....Yes the principles of the United Nations Charter are worth our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor."

- General Colin Powell, 4/21/93, receiving the UN-USA Global Leadership Award

“The real menace of our Republic is the invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy legs over our cities, states and nation. At the head is a small group of banking houses... This little coterie...runs our government for their own selfish ends. It operates under cover of a self-created screen...seizes...our executive officers...legislative bodies...schools... courts...newspapers and every agency created for the public protection.”

- John F. Hylan, Mayor of New York, Mayor, 1918-1925

"The Trilateral Commission is intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation of the commercial and banking interests by seizing control of the political government of the United States. The Trilateral Commission represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power--Political, Monetary, Intellectual, and Ecclesiastical."

- U.S. Senator Barry Goldwater, his book "No Apologies", 1964

“From the days of Spartacus, Weishaupt, Karl Marx, Trotski, Belacoon, Rosa Luxenberg and Ema Goldman, this world conspiracy has been steadily growing. This conspiracy played a definite recognizable role in the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th century. And now at last, this band of extraordinary personalities from the under- world of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their head and have become the undisputed masters of that enormous empire.”

- Winston Churchill to the London press in 1922.

“The governments of the present day have to deal not merely with other governments, with emperors, kings and ministers, but also with the secret societies which have everywhere their unscrupulous agents, and can at the last moment upset all the governments' plans."

- British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli, 1876

"For some time I have been disturbed by the way the CIA has been diverted from its original assignment. It has become an operational and at times a policy making arm of the government."

- President Harry Truman

"The idea was that those who direct the overall conspiracy could use the differences in those two so-called ideologies [Marxism/fascism/socialism v. democracy/capitalism] to enable them [the Illuminati] to divide larger and larger portions of the human race into opposing camps so that they could be armed and then brainwashed into fighting and destroying each other."

- Myron Fagan

"From the earliest days, the Rothschilds appreciated the importance of proximity to politicians, the men who determined not only the extent of budget deficits but also the domestic and foreign policies..."

- Niall Ferguson

"By remaining behind the scenes, they (the Rothschilds) were able to avoid the brunt of public anger which was directed, instead, at the political figures which they largely controlled. This is a technique which has been practiced by financial manipulators ever since, and it is fully utilized by those who operate the Federal Reserve System today."

- G. Edward Griffin

"Lord Rothschild had access to all manner of leaders and experts. He was responsible only to the Prime Minister and answerable to neither the electorate nor the civil service chiefs."

- Derek Wilson

"The division of the United States into federations of equal force was decided long before the Civil War by the high financial powers of Europe. These bankers were afraid that the United States, if they remained in one block and as one nation, would attain economic and financial independence, which would upset their financial domination over the world. The voice of the Rothschilds prevailed… Therefore they sent their emissaries into the field to exploit the question of slavery and to open an abyss between the two sections of the Union."

- German chancellor Otto von Bismarck

"Throughout the first half of the nineteenth century, the (Rothschild) brothers conducted important transactions on behalf of the governments of England, France, Prussia, Austria, Belgium, Spain, Naples, Portugal, Brazil, various German states and smaller countries. They were the personal bankers of many of the crowned heads of Europe. They made large investments, through agents, in markets as distant as the United States, India, Cuba and Australia." - G. Edward Griffin

“The bank hath benefit of interest on all moneys which it creates out of nothing.”

- William Paterson, founder of the Bank of England, 1694.

“All the perplexities, confusion and distresses in America arise not from defects in the constitution or confederation, nor from want of honor or virtue, as much from downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit, and circulation.”

- John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson.

“The money power denounces, as public enemies, all who question its methods or throw light upon its crimes.”

- Democrat Presidential candidate William Jennings Bryan.

"Whoever controls the volume of money in any country is absolute master of all industry and commerce."

- US President James A. Garfield

"There are some reports, for example, that some countries have been trying to construct something like an Ebola Virus, and that would be a very dangerous phenomenon, to say the least. Alvin Toeffler has written about this in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying to devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic specific so that they could just eliminate certain ethnic groups and races; and others are designing some sort of engineering, some sort of insects that can destroy specific crops. Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves.So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations. It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts, and that's why this is so important."

- Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen, April 28, 1997, Testimony before Congressional Committee

"In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 people per day. It is a horrible thing to say, but it is just as bad not to say it."

- Jacques Cousteau, 1991 UNESCO courier.

"Whatever the price of the Chinese Revolution, it has obviously succeeded not only in producing more efficient and dedicated administration, but also in fostering high morale and community of purpose. The social experiment in China under Chairman Mao's leadership is one of the most important and successful in human history."

David Rocefeller 1973, August 10th New York Times.

At least 4 billion “useless eaters” shall be eliminated by the year 2050 by means of limited wars, organized epidemics of fatal rapid-acting diseases and starvation. Energy, food and water shall be kept at subsistence levels .... until the world’s population reaches a manageable level of 1 billion, of which 500 million will consist of Chinese and Japanese races, selected because they are people who have been regimented for centuries and who are accustomed to obeying authority without question.

~ Committee of 300 and Illuminati, by Dr. John Coleman ~

"In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, in order to contribute something to solve overpopulation."

Prince Philip, in his Foreward to If I Were an Animal; United Kingdom, Robin Clark Ltd., 1986.

[lizlemon78]

I kinda don't know why everyone is afraid of a one world government. Throughout history, smaller self-governing bodies have regularly and consistently joined up to to the benefit of all involved. Sure, you lose some individuality along the way, but that's just life rolling forward. Do you think anyone cares about the way viking tribes used to operate 800 years ago? Developing a new all powerful government is bad today but its ok when the US just shows up and takes land at will from the Native Americans? When Rome ruled the world, it seemed like a pretty sweet deal because all these poor countries got roads and technology. Yeah, maybe a few of them got fed to lions but do you think anyone in 1000 years is going to care what happened to any of us specifically during a transition from an international community to a one world government? I doubt it.

As humans have spread out, original social arrangements have to change and adapt to new sizes, new situations.

There's no way to maintain life as we know it if we want to survive to see the next phases of humanity. We're going to have to get off of this rock and find something else out there. Individual nations working alone can't make that happen. But you can't have nations like the US and China leading the way while places in the Middle East are still barely out of the dark ages. At a certain point, we have to have a minimum requirement as a global community. Someone has to lead the way and say, "we as a global community need to have goals X, Y, and Z and if you're not going to help us achieve those goals, then you're only going to slow us down."

And those nations or people who are going to slow us down from colonizing other worlds or tackling overpopulation and pollution and balancing resources vs. consumption are going to get axed. There won't be a Middle East in 100 years. There will be chunks of land occupied by the US and China and Russia and they'll offer incentives to citizens who will be willing to relocate so that those major nations have a presence in those regions so that our military forces can have support while they go in and clean out anything that doesn't want to play the game with the rest of us.

I hate to get science-fictiony, but a global nation is the only way to achieve success for the future. If there isn't a cohesion and togetherness between everyone, you're a cancer and we'll only delay the inevitable destruction of the human race.

I'm not trying to slam on America or say that this nation isn't awesome and every other nation on the planet shouldn't want to be us, but the reality is until something comes in and forces us all to be something, some kind of unit together, we're all going to be fighting over borders and oil instead of fighting for a real future.

[ThePeoplesChamp]

I like your post Mr. Keep up the good work!

[pegsue]

I kinda don't know why everyone is afraid of a one world government. Throughout history, smaller self-governing bodies have regularly and consistently joined up to to the benefit of all involved. Sure, you lose some individuality along the way, but that's just life rolling forward. Do you think anyone cares about the way viking tribes used to operate 800 years ago? Developing a new all powerful government is bad today but its ok when the US just shows up and takes land at will from the Native Americans? When Rome ruled the world, it seemed like a pretty sweet deal because all these poor countries got roads and technology. Yeah, maybe a few of them got fed to lions but do you think anyone in 1000 years is going to care what happened to any of us specifically during a transition from an international community to a one world government? I doubt it.

As humans have spread out, original social arrangements have to change and adapt to new sizes, new situations.

There's no way to maintain life as we know it if we want to survive to see the next phases of humanity. We're going to have to get off of this rock and find something else out there. Individual nations working alone can't make that happen. But you can't have nations like the US and China leading the way while places in the Middle East are still barely out of the dark ages. At a certain point, we have to have a minimum requirement as a global community. Someone has to lead the way and say, "we as a global community need to have goals X, Y, and Z and if you're not going to help us achieve those goals, then you're only going to slow us down."

And those nations or people who are going to slow us down from colonizing other worlds or tackling overpopulation and pollution and balancing resources vs. consumption are going to get axed. There won't be a Middle East in 100 years. There will be chunks of land occupied by the US and China and Russia and they'll offer incentives to citizens who will be willing to relocate so that those major nations have a presence in those regions so that our military forces can have support while they go in and clean out anything that doesn't want to play the game with the rest of us.

I hate to get science-fictiony, but a global nation is the only way to achieve success for the future. If there isn't a cohesion and togetherness between everyone, you're a cancer and we'll only delay the inevitable destruction of the human race.

I'm not trying to slam on America or say that this nation isn't awesome and every other nation on the planet shouldn't want to be us, but the reality is until something comes in and forces us all to be something, some kind of unit together, we're all going to be fighting over borders and oil instead of fighting for a real future.

Maybe you don't think it is so bad unless you are the one that is fed to the lions! Might want to think about that one.

[Candinar]

I hate to get science-fictiony, but a global nation is the only way to achieve success for the future. If there isn't a cohesion and togetherness between everyone, you're a cancer and we'll only delay the inevitable destruction of the human race.

I'm not trying to slam on America or say that this nation isn't awesome and every other nation on the planet shouldn't want to be us, but the reality is until something comes in and forces us all to be something, some kind of unit together, we're all going to be fighting over borders and oil instead of fighting for a real future.

The only thing they are forcing us to be is either dead or slaves.(Well we are all slaves now.) But I respect your freedom to express your opinion, but if you think they want you alive...your mistaken. That is in writing.

[lizlemon78]

well for a slave, I've got it pretty easy. If being a slave is sleeping in all morning, then having pancakes and then playing xbox all afternoon I'm pretty much ok with that.

[Candinar]

well for a slave, I've got it pretty easy. If being a slave is sleeping in all morning, then having pancakes and then playing xbox all afternoon I'm pretty much ok with that.

Sounds pretty sad actually. You obviously have no grasp of the matrix of reality, because if you did you would have no time for that. But you are free to enjoy what you like, just don't call us for help when the knock comes at your door at 4am. You will enjoy the Fema Camps, until they call your name there.

PS - What are you 12?

Edited June 4, 2011 by Candinar

[Hbomb]

Liz, what about the folks who made the ultimate sacrifice? How would they feel about us just giving up our Republic? These elitists are not looking out for any of us. And all of the distractions you mentioned are in place so you overlook the important issues.

[Jaxinjersey]

well for a slave, I've got it pretty easy. If being a slave is sleeping in all morning, then having pancakes and then playing xbox all afternoon I'm pretty much ok with that.

Individual freedom is the state of natural human condition. If one chooses not to participate in a collective effort... in any regard, social or political... that choice should always be safeguarded and defended. This is what it means to be free... many choose to die for that cause. Many have. If you choose to be a slave... understand that others choose not to. It really is quite that simple Your life sounds cozy, yet to many sounds quite restrictive.

[Hbomb]

Individual freedom is the state of natural human condition. If one chooses not to participate in a collective effort... in any regard, social or political... that choice should always be safeguarded and defended. This is what it means to be free... many choose to die for that cause. Many have. If you choose to be a slave... understand that others choose not to. It really is quite that simple Your life sounds cozy, yet to many sounds quite restrictive.

Well said.

[easyrider]

well for a slave, I've got it pretty easy. If being a slave is sleeping in all morning, then having pancakes and then playing xbox all afternoon I'm pretty much ok with that.

you make me sick.

[lizlemon78]

Sounds pretty sad actually. You obviously have no grasp of the matrix of reality, because if you did you would have no time for that. But you are free to enjoy what you like, just don't call us for help when the knock comes at your door at 4am. You will enjoy the Fema Camps, until they call your name there.

PS - What are you 12?

I cannot stress this enough with text, but lol wtf?!

you make me sick.

Yeah. Enjoying life is for chumps. How dare i?

[easyrider]

I cannot stress this enough with text, but lol wtf?!

Yeah. Enjoying life is for chumps. How dare i?

lol the fact that you welcome a one world government is just mind blowing to me im sorry. Believe me when the NWO comes ssay bye bye to your rights and freedom piece by piece like many have said our gov. doesnt care about us obviously look at our economy lies after lies saying things are progressing BS. They have their agenda and that is all remember WE the people are expendable to our Gov. they ccan care less I really hope you think about it. Have a good day.

[lizlemon78]

Right. Ok.

Waitress? I'll have whatever he's having. Make it a double.

[Candinar]

I cannot stress this enough with text, but lol wtf?!

Sorry, but you are still under the spell, it is sad and if you don't wake up your X-box game will soon be over.

Here watch CNN live from the Gulf War '91.....:Main Stream Media at it's finest : Warning Comedy ahead.

[iRaQi_VeT_716]

Lmfbo! Wow, well I'm def not a fan of the NWO, but I am a fan of Xbox 360. But does anybody realize what xbox 360 really means? X- the unknown, standing for something unidentified, Box- an entrapment, now way out! Also could be a circle, in which "360 falls into"- a continuous cycle. So these gaming systems, are ment to keep us occupied, out of the loop of the real world, not intouch with ourselves, families, or outside world. I can contest when a new COD game, it Madden come out. That's all the typical gamer cares about. But at least I understand the bigger picture, and don't let myself get trapped in the constant cycle of losing myself.. IMHO

[WesParsons]

I kinda don't know why everyone is afraid of a one world government. Throughout history, smaller self-governing bodies have regularly and consistently joined up to to the benefit of all involved. Sure, you lose some individuality along the way, but that's just life rolling forward. Do you think anyone cares about the way viking tribes used to operate 800 years ago? Developing a new all powerful government is bad today but its ok when the US just shows up and takes land at will from the Native Americans? When Rome ruled the world, it seemed like a pretty sweet deal because all these poor countries got roads and technology. Yeah, maybe a few of them got fed to lions but do you think anyone in 1000 years is going to care what happened to any of us specifically during a transition from an international community to a one world government? I doubt it.

As humans have spread out, original social arrangements have to change and adapt to new sizes, new situations.

I understand what you're saying....We, as a society have evolved from what we used to be, to where we are today. We used to live in small tribal groups, lead by a chieftain and dependent on migrating animals for food. Now we live in high rise apartments with elected officials in charge of our constant supply of media and services....

It sounds as if you feel a global government system will just be a transition in an ongoing transitional process from where we've come from to where we're going.

(I hope I'm not putting words in your mouth but I want to make sure I understand your position before I reply)

There's no way to maintain life as we know it if we want to survive to see the next phases of humanity. We're going to have to get off of this rock and find something else out there. Individual nations working alone can't make that happen. But you can't have nations like the US and China leading the way while places in the Middle East are still barely out of the dark ages. At a certain point, we have to have a minimum requirement as a global community. Someone has to lead the way and say, "we as a global community need to have goals X, Y, and Z and if you're not going to help us achieve those goals, then you're only going to slow us down."

And those nations or people who are going to slow us down from colonizing other worlds or tackling overpopulation and pollution and balancing resources vs. consumption are going to get axed. There won't be a Middle East in 100 years. There will be chunks of land occupied by the US and China and Russia and they'll offer incentives to citizens who will be willing to relocate so that those major nations have a presence in those regions so that our military forces can have support while they go in and clean out anything that doesn't want to play the game with the rest of us.

I hate to get science-fictiony, but a global nation is the only way to achieve success for the future. If there isn't a cohesion and togetherness between everyone, you're a cancer and we'll only delay the inevitable destruction of the human race.

I'm not trying to slam on America or say that this nation isn't awesome and every other nation on the planet shouldn't want to be us, but the reality is until something comes in and forces us all to be something, some kind of unit together, we're all going to be fighting over borders and oil instead of fighting for a real future.

I agree that we are at the cusp of the next step in our social evolution.....the US is on the decline and the next super power will either be China or India, and that's strictly based on numbers.

I think you're going to receive a lot of opposition to your position that forming a more cohesive global government would help lift certain nations out of the dark ages and unify us as a people. And while some folks on here may laugh at your perception that life with pancakes and x-box is pretty darn good it makes two interesting points.

1) do the inmates care they are inmates if all their needs are being met? It's one thing to be a slave to the NWO if you're on the streets starving and naked, but if you have food, shelter, entertainment, adventure, love, limited freedom.....will folks care......(I think not)

and

2) Some folks who oppose a NWO say that they'd rather die then give up their freedom and yet....are we free? In the sense that we're talking here, comparing apples to apples : Are American Citizens today, right now, any more free then what they would be if there was a NWO and that organization took over the US? I don't think the average US citizen realizes how truly 'un-free' they are. Consider the ways in which you, as Americans, are currently enslaved....The US Education system trains your children to be employees and how to work for others keeping you dependent on an employment system, : The US Economy offers every college kid a credit card with a 5K limit to teach them dependance and trains them to play now and pay later, keeping them enslaved to their debt....the US legal systems grants the government, even at the local level, sovereignty over your individual rights and possessions (If your home is in the way of the new interstate, they can take it from you and send you on your way like it or not)...

I'm not saying I'm pro-NWO and I think we're centuries away from something like that but I do think it's probably inevitable...We've seen the collection of European countries form the EU....we're hearing about the "Middle East North African" alliance and we've got NAFTA already in place over here. We're grouping geographically already, globally we'll see it in a hundred years or so....

I think there are several things we have on the side of freedom that will safeguard the individuals from the greed of the elite, and the number one weapon we have is Innovation.

We are very close to eliminating the concept of 'need' ....desalination plants can turn salt water into fresh water

Cloud seeding can force rain in specific areas

irrigation advancements and ability will allow us to turn desserts into farmland

with better management today we could capture the abundant waste in 1rst world countries and channel the excess into third world countries

Medical advances are lengthening the average lifespan and eliminating disease

technology is creating on-demand fabrication giving us what we need in the minute

social media is shaping our collective conscious and advancing us faster then ever thought possible

In my opinion I think it'll go like this

In the short term:

currently we're transitioning from a currency system to a digital currency (everyone have the google wallet app yet?)

Soon all transactions will be debits/credits and money will be removed from the market place, we're already being trained to accept this reality (anyone have a card that gets them points? say hi to your 'carrot')

Hi speed network infrastructure will connect us all much faster then currently

3D (current tech) will be replaced with 'holographic' (expensive now but getting cheaper)

cloning will furnish us with new body parts as old ones wear out and we'll see lifespan jump by decades (they've already got cloned organs and are working on more)

In the long term:

People will achieve a much larger freedom of time and that will be a tipping point for humanity

some major natural disaster will re-shift populations

Transportation will be instantaneous (think star trek transporters..currently being tested in Australia)

Automation will eliminate the need for most workers in many industries including manufacturing, agriculture, medical services,etc

Anyway, I'm nobody and know nothing but I've watched and read and this is what I think...times they are a changing...

[lizlemon78]

You're pretty much tuned into exactly what I'm talking about. Also consider that technology has removed our borders, socially. I have friends all over the country and across the oceans. 25 years ago, the only way to have a conversation with someone overseas was to go there. Now I do it every day.

This NWO stuff is boogeman crap that weirdos on the internet make up to get into silly conversations with other weirdos on the internet just like this. They have a forum and a voice and now they can reach out and find other paranoids who spend all day long looking up articles about why we're slaves or how we have no freedom. They're slaves to their own delusions.

For example: While this thread was continuing yesterday evening, I was enjoying a nice, hot Texas evening, watching live music on a patio at a bar that I sometimes run sound at. Guys were playing songs they wrote, expressing themselves artistically, folks were listening and enjoying, having a few beers and eating dinner.

My fiancee wasn't even texting me to find out when I'd be done.

How is that being a slave? Life is good. This thread made me feel sorry for folks who really think otherwise, that they are in genuine fear that the government is going to show up in the night and take them somewhere, and that I'm somehow the weirdo because I enjoy myself by doing things I love.

Well, ok.

But yeah, we're all stuck on this planet together and the only way we are going to get anywhere as a civilization is by eventually removing social and political borders. There is a better way than what we're doing now, just like there was a better way than when we were living in caves, writing on walls. We'll come together, and work as a group to the benefit of all mankind. It's a hopeful situation, not something to be afraid of. But what I'm talking about is not a new world order, that's their boogeyman. What I'm talking about is logical, common sense inevitablity.

But wrapping that up into some kind of conspiracy theory about secret groups and shadowy alliances just breeds the fear for the future we should be overcoming.

[Jaxinjersey]

You're pretty much tuned into exactly what I'm talking about. Also consider that technology has removed our borders, socially. I have friends all over the country and across the oceans. 25 years ago, the only way to have a conversation with someone overseas was to go there. Now I do it every day.

This NWO stuff is boogeman crap that weirdos on the internet make up to get into silly conversations with other weirdos on the internet just like this. They have a forum and a voice and now they can reach out and find other paranoids who spend all day long looking up articles about why we're slaves or how we have no freedom. They're slaves to their own delusions.

For example: While this thread was continuing yesterday evening, I was enjoying a nice, hot Texas evening, watching live music on a patio at a bar that I sometimes run sound at. Guys were playing songs they wrote, expressing themselves artistically, folks were listening and enjoying, having a few beers and eating dinner.

My fiancee wasn't even texting me to find out when I'd be done.

How is that being a slave? Life is good. This thread made me feel sorry for folks who really think otherwise, that they are in genuine fear that the government is going to show up in the night and take them somewhere, and that I'm somehow the weirdo because I enjoy myself by doing things I love.

Well, ok.

But yeah, we're all stuck on this planet together and the only way we are going to get anywhere as a civilization is by eventually removing social and political borders. There is a better way than what we're doing now, just like there was a better way than when we were living in caves, writing on walls. We'll come together, and work as a group to the benefit of all mankind. It's a hopeful situation, not something to be afraid of. But what I'm talking about is not a new world order, that's their boogeyman. What I'm talking about is logical, common sense inevitablity.

But wrapping that up into some kind of conspiracy theory about secret groups and shadowy alliances just breeds the fear for the future we should be overcoming.

All I'm hearing in your posts is about how you "enjoy" the fruits of the environment you live within. While that's of course what we all desire... the rewards (mostly of others work and ingenuity)... you seem to fail to recognize where it comes from. There are those of us that truly wish to make our local, then regional, then national, then global impacts... but need the freedom to exist and produce at the level of comfort we choose works best for us INDIVIDUALLY. Within that comfort is security, and the confidence that we can work and produce to the best of our ability... as rugged individualists... independent thinkers... entrepreneurs... wealth makers, teachers, guardians, protectors.... benefactors and philanthropists. Freedom in that regard is always the catalyst. None of us can benefit from the things you enjoy without freedom and liberty. Again, it is quite that simple. It amazes me how so many believe the government is responsible for all their "rewards" and "goodies" they enjoy... from toilet paper... to modern technology... to the umbrella in your drink. Without the real individual Producers in this world operating within defined borders, and defined sovereign society... these Products will diminish steadily, and worse... be forced to be produced under "slavery", in the guise of some social order. Enjoy it now, as you are obviously doing... while some of us fight for the preservation of individual liberty. There will always be more takers... than producers.

[lizlemon78]

All I'm hearing in your posts is about how you "enjoy" the fruits of the environment you live within. While that's of course what we all desire... the rewards (mostly of others work and ingenuity)... you seem to fail to recognize where it comes from. There are those of us that truly wish to make our local, then regional, then national, then global impacts... but need the freedom to exist and produce at the level of comfort we choose works best for us INDIVIDUALLY. Within that comfort is security, and the confidence that we can work and produce to the best of our ability... as rugged individualists... independent thinkers... entrepreneurs... wealth makers, teachers, guardians, protectors.... benefactors and philanthropists. Freedom in that regard is always the catalyst. None of us can benefit from the things you enjoy without freedom and liberty. Again, it is quite that simple. It amazes me how so many believe the government is responsible for all their "rewards" and "goodies" they enjoy... from toilet paper... to modern technology... to the umbrella in your drink. Without the real individual Producers in this world operating within defined borders, and defined sovereign society... these Products will diminish steadily, and worse... be forced to be produced under "slavery", in the guise of some social order. Enjoy it now, as you are obviously doing... while some of us fight for the preservation of individual liberty. There will always be more takers... than producers.

I don't even know how to respond to stuff like this. You're even questioning my own experiences. The internet truly is a strange place. So I can only "enjoy" things in some quasi-real manner because you think I'm a "slave" while you fight the good fight for my individual liberty?

And you're doing that how, exactly? By playing Moral Batman on the internet?

[Jaxinjersey]

I don't even know how to respond to stuff like this. You're even questioning my own experiences. The internet truly is a strange place. So I can only "enjoy" things in some quasi-real manner because you think I'm a "slave" while you fight the good fight for my individual liberty?

And you're doing that how, exactly? By playing Moral Batman on the internet?

Hmmm... not sure it's a question of morality, nor where your anger is coming from... if that's what it is. But, you're the one exposing your personal experiences as it relates to your philosophy. Makes sense. I also don't think it's too difficult to respond to. I've read all your posts and find them quite interesting... and I am simply countering your viewpoint, with clarity, and I believe with all due respect. I would enjoy some more substance in your remarks about what I've said, rather than how you are alarmed that people challenge your viewpoint. So, please... address the content of my philosophy as it opposes yours. I believe we want the same things out of life... just that we have different ways of getting there. I just don't want mine stifled, or controlled. I do believe the exchange of these viewpoints is much healthier and productive while maintaining objectivity... with passion. Thanks for your viewpoints! I look forward to hearing... and replying to more.

[WesParsons]

This NWO stuff is boogeman crap that weirdos on the internet make up to get into silly conversations with other weirdos on the internet just like this. They have a forum and a voice and now they can reach out and find other paranoids who spend all day long looking up articles about why we're slaves or how we have no freedom. They're slaves to their own delusions.

I never agreed with you about that. I personally believe there are a handful of very ambitious and power hungry people who are and have been attempting to control as much wealth and power as possible....there always have been and there always will be people who attempt those things.

They may even start out with altruistic motives, thinking themselves smarter and better equipped to lead and direct than the average joe....and maybe they are, maybe they're not - but the process of gaining that power and controlling that power corrupts the person in control.

You see the same thing to lesser degrees in local politics and/or religion ...or at a micro level in the family dynamic with controlling and tyrannical father/husbands....

I don't believe in the boogy man, he's a myth....I've seen far far greater evil in the face of man, we don't to invent the devil, he's on the streets everyday, just watch the news.

Wes

[lizlemon78]

I'm not angry at all. You're mistaking my snarkiness for anger. I'm not upset talking about this.

As for responding to your philosophies, I won't because I don't get them so I'm not going to try and speak to something I am probably misinterpreting. Plus, I'm posting between frustrating sessions on a home plumbing project so I don't really have the time to dedicate to it anyway.

[easyrider]

I'm not angry at all. You're mistaking my snarkiness for anger. I'm not upset talking about this.

As for responding to your philosophies, I won't because I don't get them so I'm not going to try and speak to something I am probably misinterpreting. Plus, I'm posting between frustrating sessions on a home plumbing project so I don't really have the time to dedicate to it anyway.

cool story bro.

[Jaxinjersey]

I'm not angry at all. You're mistaking my snarkiness for anger. I'm not upset talking about this.

As for responding to your philosophies, I won't because I don't get them so I'm not going to try and speak to something I am probably misinterpreting. Plus, I'm posting between frustrating sessions on a home plumbing project so I don't really have the time to dedicate to it anyway.

Thank s for clarifying... snarkiness!!! I like that! Hey... no problem... just please realize that when I, or someone else sees an extensive post... rooted in a philosophical outlook... it seems to call for a response. Not everything has to be a debate... and simply sharing passionate replies sometimes can be quite productive, for you and me, as well as the rest reading this string. That is the ultimate purpose here... and I admire the efforts expressed. So, when you do have the time... I would be happy to listen!

Good luck with the plumbing... I know... I'm in the middle of renovating my house!!! Let me know if I can help...