Popular Post easyrider Posted June 3, 2011 Popular Post Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 This is the latest from Steve Ernossete - Thur, June 2 – food for thought as usual when he ‘writes’- What is holding up the RV and what can be done about it? 6/2/2011 by Ernorrste Today at 2:11 pm For the last several weeks I have dwelt on what might be causing the delays in the pending RV. In this process I have been led, I believe, to the answer. Let me take you down my thought process. There are a number of players that have a stake in the RV. Some have more say than others, obviously. Let’s look at the players and deal with each one separately to see if we can eliminate any of them from the mix. Here are the players, as I see them: The UN The World Bank The US Treasury The President of the US Possible Terrorist Implications The IMF The Government of Iraq (completion) The Parliament of Iraq Prime Minister Maliki The CBI (Shabibi) or The Ministry of Finance The hidden Powerful Elite Gurus on various dinar sites and their members I have come to the conclusion that the UN is not a force in this action at this time. The UN has been urging Iraq to clean up its issues related to release from Chapter 7 for many months now. They have applauded the successes of Iraq while, more recently, given pointers for the last few points that needed to be addressed by Iraq for total release. In the meantime Iraq has been diligently working to eliminate these last few problems, and appears to have succeeded in doing so. In any case, it is my opinion that the RV and the release from Chapter 7 are no longer linked, even though a final announcement of release may coincide with the RV announcement. For purposes of this post, however, I do not believe that the UN is holding up the RV. The World Bank is a minor player in this event and has never been seriously looked at as a “contender” in any sense in holding up the RV. As a lending agent to underdeveloped countries it has offered funds to Iraq over the years, but there has never been any indication that their funding of Iraq has anything to do with the RV itself. Therefore I do not see them as a player in the RV process. The US Treasury appears to have had input in the timing of the RV in the past. We get an indication of this from the fact that the UST has made some “rule” changes that will affect our ability to cash in our dinars. It is my opinion that these rule changes have come about because of our “loose lips” on the chat and conference calls. Such things as “ledger to ledger transfers” and “direct dinars-to-gold” exchanges” have been eliminated in recent months as options to us for cashing in. It is my opinion that these changes came about by the UST to close loopholes that otherwise might have made it difficult for the UST (or IRS, more particularly) to monitor our tax liabilities. It is my opinion, however, that the UST is no longer a factor in the delay of the RV. It has been some time since any rule changes have been announced. It seems to me that the UST is now an advocate of an imminent RV in Iraq rather than a delaying force. The President of the US has been labeled as a delayer in the recent past. Some gurus have claimed (who knows how they get this information…..) that Obama wanted a higher rate for the US Government than the one available at the banks. According to this “intel” he was rebuffed and the situation was resolved without his winning the argument. In any case, the same “intel” has claimed that he “signed off” on all paperwork. This would indicate to me that he is no longer a factor in any delays of the RV. In fact, if it is actually true that he did sign off on the paperwork (again, how do they know this…….) then he, along with us, is now awaiting the RV announcement as well. More recently we heard from one of the gurus that apparently some terrorist organizations have been able to obtain “pallet loads” of dinars and that Interpol and the CIA have been working diligently to capture these “rogue dinars” and stop the terrorists from benefiting from the new rate, which would of course allow them to fund even greater terrorist activities. Fortunately the guru who reported this has indicated that the situation is now resolved, so this is no longer a delay in the RV announcement, if in fact it ever was one. I must admit, however, that the idea that any group of persons could obtain “pallet loads” of dinars seems a bit far fetched to me. Whatever. The threat is now apparently gone, so the dinar is not being held up by “terrorist implications.” The IMF is clearly a major player in the entire process leading to the RV of the dinar. As the world’s “currency monitor” it claims responsibility, ultimately, for balancing the values of the world’s currencies. It is on record for several years now having stated that its “new” policy is to realign all of the major currencies in the world to reflect the “underlying wealth” of a given country. I have discussed this in detail previously so I will not dwell on it here. It is my opinion, however, that this process has been complete for some time now, probably several months in fact, and that the IMF is actually frustrated that the RV of the dinar has not been “made available” yet as a part of the entire basket of currencies to be revalued at one time. While there have been “intel” statements in the past that certain countries “weren’t ready yet” there have also been more recent statements indicating that every country is now ready and that they are waiting on Iraq. Assuming this “intel” is correct, then, we can see that the IMF is not delaying the RV of the dinar. In fact, it is apparently awaiting the announcement, along with Mr. Obama. It had been stated some time ago by Mr. Shabibi that he would announce the RV when the government of Iraq was completed. For many months we have all awaited the announcement of the names of the last 3 ministry positions in the belief that this is what was the cause of the delay in the RV. However, last month Mr. Shabibi was asked directly how the government was affecting the timing of the RV. His answer was short and complete: “The formation of the GOI has nothing to do with the RV.” Since he is the man who is ultimately in charge of the changing of the rate of the dinar (as he clearly indicated in an previous answer to a question at the same Chamber of Commerce meeting in Washington D.C.) then we can almost certainly trust his words on this matter. Therefore I do not see the completion of the formation of the government as a delay in the RV announcement, contrary to what some gurus are now, again, reporting. If the final formation of the government of Iraq is not a factor, could the parliament itself in some way be holding up the RV? Once again we must revert back to Mr. Shabibi, who announced clearly that he was going to draft a law regarding the “removal of the three zeros”, then pass it by the cabinet and Prime Minister, and from there onto the parliament for approval. According to the press reports, he did in fact draft the law. He also passed it through the cabinet and the Prime Minister’s office. And, according to that article from several weeks ago now, it was to go before Parliament at the beginning of the following week for a vote. We may safely assume that the vote did in fact take place and that the “rubber stamping” of the “removal of the three zeros” had been approved. Of course we know that the “removal of the three zeros” had in fact been taking place since December 2009 and was in effect completed when the draft law was written. Therefore, as I have indicated before, the term “removal of the three zeros” was a code phrase for the RV itself rather than what it said, since what it said was already completed. Therefore, the parliament has apparently already approved the final draft law of the RV. Since that is the case, they are not a factor in the delay of the RV anymore. This brings me to Prime Minister Maliki. It is clear to me that Mr. Maliki is a force in the overall process that is causing delays in the formation of the government of Iraq. What is NOT clear to me is that his obstinence, as I would call it, is a factor that is delaying the RV announcement itself. In fact, based upon his TV announcement from last week, it would appear that he was trying to push the ball forward with respect to the RV announcement rather than delay it in any real sense. Therefore, even if he has played a role in the past in delaying the final RV announcement, it seems clear to me that his most recent statement indicates that he is in fact ready for it to be announced as soon as possible. Incidentally, we have had “intel” from as far back as two or three months ago in which we were told that Maliki had told Shabibi to get the RV done as soon as possible. Therefore, if this “intel” is accurate, Maliki is certainly not the delaying force holding up the RV announcement. In any case, his latest TV showing indicates that he believes personally that this thing is essentially “done” and ready to be made public “at any moment.” This brings me to Mr. Shabibi and the entire CBI and Ministry of Finance. Clearly the CBI works in conjunction with the Ministry of Finance. In my book I have shown that the two organizations have worked together since 2005 with the plan that is now coming to fruition. However, I also showed that the Ministry of Finance deferred to the CBI, and in particular to Mr. Shabibi, in the approval and implementation of the plan itself. Therefore we need only concern ourselves with Mr. Shabibi himself in terms of asking whether or not he is a factor in the delay of the announcement of the RV. We know that as far back as February of 2010 Mr. Shabibi had informed the IMF that he was ready to bring the dinar into Forex as an internationally tradable currency “in the near future.” This was over 15 months ago, which is hardly a time frame that could be called the “near future.” More recently, at the meeting of the Chamber of Commerce in Washington D.C. he said that the revaluation of the dinar would occur “very soon.” It seems to me, then, that Mr. Shabibi has been ready for quite some time to see the completion of his 5 year turned to 6 year project. The very fact that he was “ready” 15 months ago and that he indicated over 2 weeks ago that it was going to happen “very soon” is, to me, a sign that he is definitely NOT delaying the RV announcement. Instead, it would seem apparent that he is attempting to push the announcement through, rather than delay it any farther. I would be totally remiss if I did not include the real power brokers of the world. I called them the Powerful Elite, and they truly are both powerful and elite. I am referring to the banking interests worldwide who pull most of the strings that run this world. Let’s just say that the Powerful Elite are ruthless and have no allegiance to any country. Their allegiance is to power and to money. So, then, knowing that this coming RV of up to 110 countries around the world will be a huge boost to the world economy, can anyone think of a reason why they would want to delay the RV of the dinar in Iraq? The answer, quite simply, is no, they are not behind the delays. In fact, I would venture to guess that they’ve been ready to roll this out since December of 2009 and that they are just as frustrated as we are. This leaves me with only one other group that might be delaying the announcement of the RV. That group is us, quite frankly. Unless you think I am naïve I am aware that there are some who think that it is arrogant of us to even think that the “players” pay any attention to us at all. The simple truth is that the frenzy of anticipation that exists on dinar-related web sites has clearly drawn the attention of the other players. We have had evidence of this in the “rules” changes from the UST/IRS as well as recent “intel” from high level “three letter” agencies requesting that we tone down our rhetoric somewhat. Furthermore, if we are drawing the attention of the “powers” of the “3 letter agencies” in the US you can best believe that we have the attention of others outside the US as well. However, is it actually possible that WE are the delaying factor in the coming RV? Does that really make sense? This brings me to the final answer as to Who is really delaying the RV, and why, and what can be done about it. It seems perfectly clear to me now that we are not the source of the delay. However, it also seems clear to me that the delay is ultimately in the hands of God, and that He has delayed this RV announcement because of our infantile obsession over it. You all may think I am off base here. So be it. I will apologize when I am shown to be wrong, if that turns out to be the case. However, having exhausted every other possibility, perhaps it is time to look upward, and then look inward, to find the real Source of the delay. Our obsession is hardly something to be rewarded, is it? Perhaps, just perhaps, it is time for us to “let go, and let God.” In doing so, obediently, we will finally relax into His will rather than act like ravenous wolves in chat sites and conference calls, constantly calling out for “rates and dates.” Perhaps, just perhaps, if we did stop totally, and wait on God, this would be enough, for Him, to see our obedience to Him. Perhaps then He would end the delay. Let’s ask ourselves some questions about just how we are acting, and how we are perceived as this process has unfolded. We can start with the most obvious question: has any intel at all ever been shown to have been accurate? We all know the answer to this is a resounding “NO.” But does that make sense? My father used to say to me this simple and yet true statement: “Son, even a blind sow can find an acorn once in awhile.” By that he meant that somewhere, sometime, everyone is bound to be right at least once in awhile. However, in the case of all of the searching and all of the sources and all of the article analyses by all of the gurus from all of the various dinar sites we can proudly make one claim: not one shred of “intel” has yet proven to be accurate. Take a simple example. The announcement of the final three ministers has been predicted, claimed, touted, and finalized conclusively by any number of gurus for several months now. Yet as of this moment I can confidently state that no one knows for certain if the process is completed or not (in spite of the fact that the latest “intel” even gives their names!). Here is another example that points out the absurdity of some of the guru claims. Have you ever noticed how every time Hillarious or Joe leave the country that at least one guru comes out and says that they are heading to Iraq? Yet we find out later that in fact that wasn’t the case at all, or, if in the few cases one of them did go to Iraq we have no evidence that the RV was the topic of discussion, in spite of the guru statements to the contrary. Now I do not belittle the people who are sincerely trying to figure this out. In fact, I’m surprised that they continue to do what they do, given their track records. One would begin to think that their “sources” aren’t very reliable and that they would be more hesitant to repeat what they’ve been told. I know I would be. Yet they continue to present their case for “just what is going on behind the closed doors” each week, only to discover the following week that their information wasn’t quite accurate, or, to put it more bluntly, wasn’t accurate at all. Now I have three close friends on this site who participate in this process with all of the seriousness that anyone could have in this endeavor. I can also attest that they are just as frustrated, time and again, as you and I are when we hear the “intel” and then find out it is not accurate, again and again. So I’m drawn to one conclusion, and one only, regarding the reason for the delay in the announcement of the RV. That conclusion is that God Himself is hindering the announcement. If He were not the Source of these constant delays and twists, then why, as my Dad would have said, hasn’t some blind sow found at least one acorn yet? In other words, who other than God could give all of the gurus on all of the sites a 100% perfect failure rate? I believe I can rest my case here with little fear of being refuted on this point. So we have the answer as to Who has delayed the RV announcement. We must now ask the next two questions: Why is it being delayed and what can be done about it? At this point I am following a normal analytical process to its conclusion. I could be wrong on this, but I doubt it. Having eliminated all of the major players from this equation we are left with ourselves only. So we must honestly ask ourselves why God would delay the RV announcement because of us. When the question is asked this bluntly the answer begins to appear fairly quickly, doesn’t it? After all, if this is truly a worldwide event, planned from before the beginning of time by God Himself, as we believe, as a blessing to believers and a great wealth transfer as prophetically announced by Isaiah and others some 2700 years ago, then perhaps, just perhaps, our attitude might be a factor in what is causing God to delay His plan. Is it possible, or even probable, that He is waiting for us? Let’s look at how we have been reacting, and see if we can’t gain some clarity from His perspective, instead of from our own only. For instance, if you were God, and you knew just exactly what you needed for this to roll out perfectly, you’d want to have good stewards, right? You’d want to have people who were mature, prepared, and patient, right? And you would definitely have a concern if instead you saw people whose sole purpose seemed to be “rate and date” or “intel” or “who will get the announcement first?” or “where should we look?” and so on. To me it seems evident that we are not living up to our responsibilities in this regard. We seem to have a desperation attitude instead of an attitude of confidence and patience. Now I’m not saying everyone has all of these issues, but clearly many, if not most, have expressed some or several of these issues in the recent past. The reality is that there is now a near panic mentality as the event approaches, and instead of a peaceful knowledge leading to patience we have evidence of depression, anxiety, and frustration. Therefore, I’d like us all to look within ourselves this week and see if we aren’t a factor in the delay of the RV announcement. Are we ready, or is God still waiting on us to get ready? Realizing the enormity of the upcoming event, and knowing that it is a God-sized plan gives us reason to be a little antsy. However, we should all, and I include myself in this incidentally, be looking for leadership from our Lord. Instead of saying, “Are you running with me Jesus?” perhaps we should be saying, “When you are ready, Lord, tell me what to do.” Just how this message will affect each individual is something that I have no control over. Some will get more from it than others. Some, probably on other sites, will pooh-pooh it as dribble. My concern is not for the outcome, but for the presentation. I hope that I have laid this out clearly enough for us all to see that we are, in fact, also “players” in this grand scheme. Furthermore, I hope that we each see that our individual actions and attitudes may well be affecting the timing of the release of the RV announcement. Take care. Look upward, and then look inward. If you do, you will know what to do next. Steve 29 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MovieMaker Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 WOW!....THANKS for your effort, time, & sharing! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer22 Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 ZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz 10 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DinarThug Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 "God Himself is hindering the Announcement. Who other than God could give all of the Guru's on all of the sites a 100% failure rate?" Well Steve E, I for one am willing to stick up for the Guru's and say that they're perfectly capable of a 100% failure rate without any help ! 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatMan Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 I thought this was a good post until I read "GOD"... Why is it that people always have to bring that up? Don't you think "GOD" Would want this for the People of Iraq? Starving and Armless? Imagine Their Obsession... Almost got a +1... Almost. -1 Krem 14 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRich Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 (edited) The President of the US has been labeled as a delayer in the recent past. Some gurus have claimed (who knows how they get this information…..) that Obama wanted a higher rate for the US Government than the one available at the banks. According to this “intel” he was rebuffed and the situation was resolved without his winning the argument. In any case, the same “intel” has claimed that he “signed off” on all paperwork. This would indicate to me that he is no longer a factor in any delays of the RV. In fact, if it is actually true that he did sign off on the paperwork (again, how do they know this…….) then he, along with us, is now awaiting the RV announcement as well. They probably pulled it out of the same bodily orifice that you do for your analysis and your buddy TerryK does for his intel. Edited June 3, 2011 by MrRich 8 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nointel Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 (edited) let's put Enor and Frank in a chat room together and see who can bore the room to death first..... Edited June 3, 2011 by nointel 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easyrider Posted June 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 I thought this was a good post until I read "GOD"... Why is it that people always have to bring that up? Don't you think "GOD" Would want this for the People of Iraq? Starving and Armless? Imagine Their Obsession... Almost got a +1... Almost. -1 Krem haha really i could care less. None the less you read it. 7 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nointel Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 "God Himself is hindering the Announcement. Who other than God could give all of the Guru's on all of the sites a 100% failure rate?" Well Steve E, I for one am willing to stick up for the Guru's and say that they're perfectly capable of a 100% failure rate without any help ! just once i am waiting for someone to say it wasn't God holding up this RV but it was really Satan all along holding it up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkemaster Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 just once i am waiting for someone to say it wasn't God holding up this RV but it was really Satan all along holding it up. It was Satan . There, easy enough 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatMan Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 just once i am waiting for someone to say it wasn't God holding up this RV but it was really Satan all along holding it up. Or Santa Clause.... I Mean if we see BIG Out of this thing, We won't need his services anymore... I For One blame Old St. Nick!! Knock it Off Fat Man! We need an RV! Krem 5 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RRSport Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 Thanks for sharing your opinion. Always interesting to read and a whole lot better than any OKIE, GET team rubbish! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatMan Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 haha really i could care less. None the less you read it. Sorry Man. It's gettn late and im tired. You Have every right to express your opinion and I don't have a right to shoot it down. I Appologize. Sorry Easy. Krem 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbgoldeagle Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 (edited) Thanks KREM, I was just about to give in and make a SMART A** REMARK, but decided not to. Yes you are right. Edited June 3, 2011 by kbgoldeagle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quattro 8 Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 There are another two possibility that have to be considered ( whether we like them or not and i know nobody on here will) and that is 1. the RV wont happen for another XXXX days/months/years or 2. It will never happen Am i cashing out my Dinar based on 1 or 2 above? No, why? because i look at it as a better-than-the lottery odds speculation/bet and, as my losses are limited on the downside to the amount that i have spent and if i loose it all because of no RV/RV in xx years time, it will not change/affect my quality of life. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinnidan Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 hmmmm.... the god of Iraq is not the same God as we refer to it.....the god of Iraq, the Muslim god, said to kill all Jews/christians. so which "God" are you referring to? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliciadogz Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 Your right 100% !! Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZigsQuote Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 Incredible !!! Absolutely Incredible. So it's "GOD" who is responsible for holding the RV back because a lot of people are just in too big of a hurry to get "the blessing." So it's "GOD" who orchestrated this whole thing. "GOD" is the one responsible for all the bloodshed and death of tens of thousands that brought this whole currency revaluation thing into being. And now "GOD" is not satisfied yet. He needs to continue the suffering of the Iraqi people until WE realize that WE shouldn't be in such a big hurry get out of debt and begin to help others get out of debt. Oh my what greedy people we are. OMG 9 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TQueezy Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 This is absolutely F-ing unbelievable... I really can't take this anymore. This investment started off very interesting and neutral with the promise of a big return for a small investment. I was told, buy 500 dollars worth and make 1.5 million in a few weeks. It's now been over 9 months since I purchased my dinar off of a friendly invitation to this "event" and it has been reduced down to lower than toilet humor antics... really? God? God is the one who is causing the delay because we're all too anxious and desperate? Pathetic. I'd believe the Elite world superpowers are slowing it down because they see too many people are desperate for it and they're sadistic and like to watch us squirm. That seems logical to me, anyone else? But God? Ridiculous... I'm so sick of hearing God's name in posts on this thread, I mean, for F***'s sake! I've said it at least 4 times already in my own post! Ahhhhggggghhhh!!! Breathe... I hope this doesn't last much longer. I don't think I can handle reading anymore 30-minute posts about RV delays because of spiritual battles, God, Satan, weather effects... I want the pumpers back! At least they had grounded rumors why it was taking so long... left me hopeful. Just sayin'... 8 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bobab Posted June 3, 2011 Popular Post Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 Our Father who art in heaven Holy be thy name. Thy Kindom will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give me this day and my daily bread. And forgive me of my tresspasses as I forgive those that have tresspassed against me. Lead me not into temptation but deliverance from evil. AMEN AMEN AMEN 19 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATHIM Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 I for one think that the top portion of the post was very well put together and that for all of us involved, Christian or not, it has been a time of searching our souls as to motives of greed etc. I have for one have caught myself wanting just that bit more and I could see how "God" could use this to refine and purify our hearts He has with me. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chefgene23 Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 Being A believer I can see how you can come around to GOD. I have at times felt pretty bad by some of the things I have read that people said about other people. However; the fact that none of us are in ANY of the meetings of your above named group I don't see how you can say that none of them are in a factor in holding up the RV. In fact the UN/IMF stated that they wanted a fully form government, before they we do something?? I can remember what it was, but I clearly remember that statement. It was said twice to unform us that they meant fully formed goevernment. Praise GOD the Highest! GO RV 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassy121 Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 Thank you Steve for your post. I am one of the - probably - many who agree with you. As I was praying this morning (God might call it "ordering") the RV to happen, the thought passed through my mind to simply put this in my "God box" and allow Him to handle it in due time. I really do not have to worry about it today. Thank you again for making it clearer to me. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrref Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 hmmmm.... the god of Iraq is not the same God as we refer to it.....the god of Iraq, the Muslim god, said to kill all Jews/christians. so which "God" are you referring to? GOOD POINT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolverine92 Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 I am also a Christian. But why is it that so often god when I hear god mentioned over and over, there is a multi level marketing scheme behind it? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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