Why I think this'll never happen on a weekend

[dinarck]

First, I stated that those two options were of my opinion, not fact. Second of all, I did state the M2 numbers don't support your proposed RV amounts. Explain to me why in the world, they'd give away the farm to everyone??? Sure they have oil today, but they won't forever. Explain how any RV of 27 Trillion Dinar will be able to be supported? seriously, look at the Circulation of currency of all the countries around Iraq. It's pretty clear as day.

Secondly, it's the LOP isn't crazy. Shabibi himself has stated many times the removal of the 3 0's. He's described WHY they were put onto the currency in the first place. HYPERINFLATION in the 90's. Many countries have done this proposed LOP. And guess what, if people were so upset about it, it must've been for a minute, and then everyone moved on.

Finally, my idea that everyone 18+ getting money again was just an option that could happen to instill hope in the people, have you been watching the news lately??? Most middle eastern countries GIVING every citizen money! Entirely plausible at this point for them. Not saying that 100% confirmed intel going to happen, signed off by Maliki and Allawi. Just a possible post-RV effect.

Seriously, get with the times. It's not camp negative, it's camp realistic.

Good luck.

Already tried reason with him. Didn't work.

OK RV will be on a tuesday or a wednesday. Nothing to do with when people get paid but how the CBI monitor the global reaction to it.

On Your proposed LOP. Why would they bother at all?

They could achieve the same simply by changing the existing 1170 exchange rate.

The key part you seem to totally miss is the the fact that this brand new country, starting down this brand new democratic road would be bigining its life with fradulent bank notes representing it's brand new status in the business world.

A 25,000 IQD note is a memorial to a contract between the owner and the government of Iraq not to mention the bank.

If the CBI just arbitarily changed its value by moving the decimal point, three places to the left then they have just committed international fraud as their is no provision for that in this contract, full disclosere has not been given. The government backing such a move would be in dishonour and have no credability.

Every bank on planet earth would be forced to reveal to any one entering with an IQD note was not worth the vaulue printed on it and as such was fraudulent (AS ARE ALL FIAT NOTES BY THE WAY) Do you really think the global banking industy the IMF etc want to do that?

The plan is to raise the currency

Their intention is to have the world embrace this currency, not shun it as a lop would do.

It will be a redenomination in much the same fashion as in venezula

My link pdf document

and ho the value is more likly to be 30 cents than 3 dollars

Just because the IQD has 25,000 on it's face doesn't mean there is some international law saying they have to give 25,000 USD for it sometime in the future. If that was the case Zimbabwe would have some serious explaining to do. LOL. A LOP would not shun the currency. The value will remain the same. You only think it would disgrace Iraq or they will be shunned by the world because they didn't give you the millions of dollars you deserve for buying thier worthless currency.

[seus]

dinarck agreed 100%...

oh and cbisinger, dude I read not but 1 paragraph from your little PDF, that states EXACTLY what Iraq want's to do:

"With the currency redenomination there will be no change in the denomination of

the national currency, which will continue to be the bolivar; but in order to achieve an

easier, more effective and quicker familiarization with the new monetary scale, during a

period of transition the adjective “fuerte” will be added to the word “bolivar”, to make it

“bolivar fuerte”. This denomination will be represented by the symbol “Bs.F.”. For

instance, a 672,000 current bolivares (Bs.) wage, once converted to the new monetary

scale will equal 672.00 bolivares fuertes (Bs.F.). A payment of the electrical service for

23,170 current bolivares (Bs.), will be equal to 23.17 bolivares Fuertes (Bs.F.); a Bs.

1,400 kilogram of corn flour will be equal to Bs.F. 1.40; and a Bs. 900 urban bus fare

will be equal to Bs.F. 0.90. As we can see, in order to get the new monetary scale we

divided by one thousand (1,000), or moved the comma three spots to the left, all the

amounts used on this example:"

Page 9.

And it goes onto say that the reason for this is because it's far easier to divide 20 by 5 than 20,000 by 5,000 for the vast majority of people.

Basic economic reasoning behind all of this. Nothing complicated.

[DesertPete]

Why I think this'll never happen on a weekend...and why I think most are wrong about the RV

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Let me start by stating that I've been invested invested in the IQD for 7 years. A long freaking time to say the least. I've seen a lot of heated discussions related to the RV amount, time, date, etc...Rumors flying all around forever, and some guru / team thinks they have the answers that we all eagerly crave so that we can be waiting in anticipation, ready to quit our jobs and with our shopping lists and tropical vacationing gear in hand. Many who are invested are just clinging to the thought of luxury for the rest of their lives, and because of that, they've got most of their attention focused on these guru's. Ready to purchase more dinar if needed, because after their first purchase they needed to cover the tax, so they purchased more, but then they realized, "hey, were so close, I have to buy more as what I first bought isn't "enough" anymore", so they stop paying rent and buy more dinar. Most don't even stop to realize what they're doing, or are so mesmerized with the envy of possibly being filthy rich, they don't either want to hear about how they may actually not become rich (denial) or stick to only the boards/discussions where it all coincides with their line of thinking (birds of a feather, flock together).

This lack of understanding, or even common sense regarding this investment creates a difficult situation for those trying to reason with them, as rational thinking doesn't play a part. If you REALLY stop to think about it, and I've done my own math on this investment, we'll come out ahead. But not how people think.

First off, people will be going crazy no matter what day of the week this thing RVs. In fact I believe the following detail is exactly why this won't end up going down over a weekend, nor the way most want it to...

Let's say that certain people got paid on a Thursday, and some on a Monday. They RV on Friday, takes effect on the banks opening on Sunday. People to get paid on Monday are completely screwed, while those paid on a Thursday are now living in the lap of luxury, where the only difference is the day they get paid. I see civil war coming out of that. Shabibi is far too smart to do something like this to his own people. Kuwait's situation was different, as everyone still had their original (or most of it) money. Their system was already out there and functioning, they just temporarily disabled it because of Iraq's actions.

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I actually see the following happening in Iraq, as the CBI's MAIN CONCERN, is price stability:

CBI takes all present notes, removes 3 0's, and does a RV to 2+ USD to 1 IQD. Those who say [in a whining, and childish voice], "but what about the the smaller notes or electronic accounts??". Simple. The same thing they do with the large notes. Move the decimal over 3 places. People actually think that the 3 0's have anything to do with what's physically on the notes? I don't think so. 25,000.00 becomes 25.00, 500 becomes 0.50. To those who say that it means the exchange rate only, again, look at the M2 numbers, and give me a somewhat coherent explanation, with actual math involved. I've done it many times over. It doesn't work. Unless you have supporting documents, stating, "but the gurus said that 80% of the IQD was purchased back!!" or "That's impossible, they'll piss everyone off. Nobody will invest in their country!!!", again, these arguments are just laughable.

First off, the CBI does in fact post on their site the correct M2 numbers. We've never read a VALID article stating they've purchased back 80% of the IQD. This is pure speculation, imo, created by the pumpers to supercharge people into buying more. And please people, don't be naive enough to think that not everyone of the Dinar sellers isn't in on this pumping. It's their business.

With regards to making everyone mad, I gotta say, you obviously don't invest in the stock market, or are literally an idiot. Ask anyone who's actually invested in something, and they'll tell you 300% is an excellent return to make. Most people HOPE for 7-10% / year. Even if after the RV, I average my return over the period I owned it, assuming $3, I've made 43% ROI / year. Pretty damn good if you ask me. So by doing it this way, it takes care of the problem of when citizens get paid.

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Now, how will Iraq begin to prosper? It's of my own opinion, that since Iraq needs to get its people out of the shitter, I see 1 of 2 things happening after the above takes place:

1...Everyone who's 18+ gets a certain amount of initial money based on family size. From this, there'll be a boost in the economy, people will be able to buy better food and clothing, as well as get a bit of a jump start to prosperity. Some will spend the money on complete crap, while others will start businesses in Iraq or have some in savings for their families.

If you really, think for a minute about what's truly best for Iraq. This is. Not us, Not other nations. Not even making everyone Millionaires. Now, would I LIKE to become a millionaire, of course. That's just a stupid idea to doubt. Do I realistically see that happening with this investment? No. Do I think that a 200-300% ROI is good? Absolutely. Can you buy my dinar? Heck no.

But many say, but hey! Iraq has an obligation to pay me this money! Oh really? Look how well that goes over with other countries whom we Americans owe money to. We print it and devalue our currency which they hold. The only reason Kuwait is getting paid is because it's a requirement to return to the WTO, etc. They're being forced into it. I'm sure that the CBI feel that a 300% ROI is more than enough to pay out and make everyone happy. And they get to keep their precious natural resources to resell.

2...They do nothing, and become largely, and mainly, a welfare state such as Saudi Arabia. Where it'll remain this way for probably at least a decade or more. And only the fittest become wealthy and prosper.

Just because George Bush said, "Iraq's war will pay for itself" doesn't mean it'll happen. The fact that people actually buy that line and believe it obviously haven't been involved in politics for very long. Politicians lie, and/or get it wrong most of the time. They probably used the first Gulf War as an idea of what to expect with Iraq, and didn't envision it going on this long. It's kind of like when you saw Bush all happy, etc. that "Mission Accomplished" had been achieved. What was the accomplishment? The easy part was bombing the crap out of Iraq and taking it over. We're still in the midst of the Mission and the hard part. Mission Accomplished is when all of our soldiers are brought home and we get one iraqi CBI check for the cost of the war. Which in all honesty is probably going to be done thru selling us oil at a discount.

And in closing, realize this is my opinion from being involved in this investment for a long period of time, and what really makes the most sense. I know many will take what I'm saying and deny it and try to argue against it, but just remember, it was the Greek Philosopher Democritus who said, "It is greed to do all the talking but not to want to listen at all.". He couldn't have been further from the truth.

seus

TOTAL BS

[AudiS4]

First, I stated that those two options were of my opinion, not fact. Second of all, I did state the M2 numbers don't support your proposed RV amounts.

Tell me what the proposed RV amounts are. Did you read my post? I claimed $0.01 (in another thread), not the mystical $3.22. That is $270B, not trillions like you suggest.

Explain to me why in the world, they'd give away the farm to everyone???

Who's everyone? We've discussed that foreign investors hold very little of the IQD in circulation. 97%+ is IN IRAQ. Why wouldn't they give away the farm to everyone? You said so yourself that every 18+ year old should get money from the GOI. Isn't this the same thing?

Sure they have oil today, but they won't forever. Explain how any RV of 27 Trillion Dinar will be able to be supported?

$0.01...

Shabibi himself has stated many times the removal of the 3 0's.

No... he stated adjusting the exchange rate. Go read/watch the first question again.

He's described WHY they were put onto the currency in the first place. HYPERINFLATION in the 90's

They were put there because inflation was high and people stopped using the smaller notes... it wasn't for fun, it was so they didn't have to use wheel barrels to carry their cash. If the exchange rate was adjusted in their benefit again, they no longer have use for large bills. With a lop, you're just covering up the zeros. purchasing power did not change, so what's the point? I think you're all failing to understand this is all about the development and growth of Iraq... not about ease of counting numbers.

have you been watching the news lately??? Most middle eastern countries GIVING every citizen money! Entirely plausible at this point for them. Not saying that 100% confirmed intel going to happen, signed off by Maliki and Allawi. Just a possible post-RV effect.

Dude... that's my whole point... the rv would PUT money into citizens hands. This train ride is loaded with Iraqi's FOR Iraq. The small amount of us are simply hitch-hiking on the roof of the train. The whole point of the revaluation is so the citizens themselves can stand on their own two feet... and not take handouts from here until forever from the GOI. How would handout's help development and growth?

I'm still waiting for a numeric explanation on how the redenomination is in the best interest of Iraq. Forget the investors, stop using your reason as "so they dont have to pay us"... show me what's in it for them!

[Bambino3]

Excellent post seus.....couldn't have said it any better myself....and of course the only ones that will bash you or dismiss everything your saying as nonsense are the ones still stuck on cloud nine and are too scared to face reality....good job bro....there are more then a handful that actually will be able to comprehend and understand this.....

"Couldn't have said it better myself". - Yes, we know!!!!!!! Okay, not being a meanie - it was just such a nice hole you left. blessings.

But this your opinion right, is there a possibility that your thinking could be flawed........................I mean just a possibilty.

After listening Breitling and Rudy last night I have renewed hope that we will all be blessed rather soon, that means NO LOP!!!!!!!!

Blessed Man - I am so sorry for the negative nates. They do not realize the power of their words, thus they will not benefit from this investment, whichever way it goes.

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it was the Greek Philosopher Democritus who said, "It is greed to do all the talking but not to want to listen at all."

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I used to like the Man.... It' s been Eons since the times I studied that stuff...........

No need to state the obvious. I could not spell Democrates myself.

And the debate continues. One thing I can guarentee 100%. As I see it, there are actually three scenerios for investers.

1. We make money.

2. We lose money

3. We break even

That's the way I see it. I suppose that's a bit to simple for most, but hey; Im a simple guy!

Who was it that was searching for an honest man? We may have found him.

[seus]

Tell me what the proposed RV amounts are. Did you read my post? I claimed $0.01 (in another thread), not the mystical $3.22. That is $270B, not trillions like you suggest.

Who's everyone? We've discussed that foreign investors hold very little of the IQD in circulation. 97%+ is IN IRAQ. Why wouldn't they give away the farm to everyone? You said so yourself that every 18+ year old should get money from the GOI. Isn't this the same thing?

$0.01...

No... he stated adjusting the exchange rate. Go read/watch the first question again.

They were put there because inflation was high and people stopped using the smaller notes... it wasn't for fun, it was so they didn't have to use wheel barrels to carry their cash. If the exchange rate was adjusted in their benefit again, they no longer have use for large bills. With a lop, you're just covering up the zeros. purchasing power did not change, so what's the point? I think you're all failing to understand this is all about the development and growth of Iraq... not about ease of counting numbers.

Dude... that's my whole point... the rv would PUT money into citizens hands. This train ride is loaded with Iraqi's FOR Iraq. The small amount of us are simply hitch-hiking on the roof of the train. The whole point of the revaluation is so the citizens themselves can stand on their own two feet... and not take handouts from here until forever from the GOI. How would handout's help development and growth?

I'm still waiting for a numeric explanation on how the redenomination is in the best interest of Iraq. Forget the investors, stop using your reason as "so they dont have to pay us"... show me what's in it for them!

Ok, we may not be understanding each other at all, as I don't support a $3.22 etc rate for an RV, I have no idea where you got that from, from what I said. I didn't even speculate at that. I agree with you on the .01 thing. A LOP with RV Afterwards however DOES support a 3+ Rate.

I hope you have some solid evidence to backup your "97%+ IQD is in Iraq", as I disagree with that statement. 3% of 27 Trillion is 810 Billion IQD. I alone know people holding approx. 400 Million IQD combined. And that's spread among 15 people. Just go tally up all the ebay ads for two weeks as well, and you'd probably easily get over 10 Billion IQD at auction.

Shabs says remove 3 0's from currency. I've yet to hear him say from the nominal rate. That's only been people guessing.

An initial payout to every citizen would help a lot man. Just look at people who rely on their tax refund every year, but in this instance, it helps the Iraqi's who's lives have been forever altered from war and the previous regime.

[AudiS4]

Ok, we may not be understanding each other at all, as I don't support a $3.22 etc rate for an RV, I have no idea where you got that from, from what I said. I didn't even speculate at that. I agree with you on the .01 thing. A LOP with RV Afterwards however DOES support a 3+ Rate.

I hope you have some solid evidence to backup your "97%+ IQD is in Iraq", as I disagree with that statement. 3% of 27 Trillion is 810 Billion IQD. I alone know people holding approx. 400 Million IQD combined. And that's spread among 15 people. Just go tally up all the ebay ads for two weeks as well, and you'd probably easily get over 10 Billion IQD at auction.

Shabs says remove 3 0's from currency. I've yet to hear him say from the nominal rate. That's only been people guessing.

An initial payout to every citizen would help a lot man. Just look at people who rely on their tax refund every year, but in this instance, it helps the Iraqi's who's lives have been forever altered from war and the previous regime.

I never questioned if a lop with RV afterwards would support 3+... It absolutely would work. My problem is the logic in doing so.

I cant back up the 97%+, I'll admit, I speculated on that. There's no way of really knowing for sure. Just remember that what you're looking at is sales. This assumes everyone that buys never sells back (recirculated). Again, there's no statistic anywhere that can prove this circulation percentage (wish there was). I just have a hard time believing speculators abroad own a large portion of the 27 Trillion. The only fact I can give you is with an estimated $2100 GDP per capita (nominal), with 31M Iraqi's, given the current exchange rate, is somewhere around 76T. Maybe my math is wrong, maybe the 27T is wrong... but at 76T I'll admit that's way too much in circulation to revalue for anything much more than it is now. I'd give it a possible half cent... but that isn't far off from a redenomination with a revalue to 3.00 following.

I fully agree that an initial payout WOULD help a lot. That's sorta what I'm trying to get at. Would you rather have a lump sum, but only make slightly more annually, or would you rather have no lump sum, but increase your annual income considerably (not millionaire status here. I'm not crazy).

What I'm trying to get at is you need to provide jobs and purchasing power to the citizens that buy products daily. If you kept the 27T intact (for now) and revalued at $0.01, you've essentially increased each Iraqi's buying power by 11.6x (am I wrong here? Correct me if I am). To you or me, a raise of 1100% would be out-of-this-world... but I'd bet both of us make more than $2100 a year. With a $0.01, that 25k note is worth about $250... a nice chunk of change, but isn't going to bring anyone to super-star millionaire status. Surrounding countries have a PPP of $26k up to $80k+ (qatar or something, I forget who). Iraq NEEDS to fall within this range if they want their people, thus, the country, to prosper. A PPP of $2500-$3500 simply wont cut it. Do you agree? That's why I'm flabbergasted that the GOI and CBI would rather just cut the zeros off instead of using the current situation to help out the citizens. You're right, it isn't free. It will indeed "cost them" $270B, a small price to pay to jump start their GDP. Obama was more than willing to throw out $700B+ on our economy (again, money we DONT have). Am I making sense here? Do you see why I believe Iraq as a whole is better off to revalue right now than to make things simple and lose the opportunity?

[havasumom]

way too long of a post to explain an OPINION...

[Bambino3]

What does it take to learn yus peoples/? By all standards, 300% is a fantastic return and I will thank God for this blessing. What does it do to change my life; that of others; the American economy? Zilch. This is not why you invested and now that it appears by some number crunchers, that it is illogical to get a 1000% return,though it is not unprecedented. Look at all the top stocks - IBM; Google: Facebook. They were totally illogical, especially considering that IBM did not make all the right moves. Somebody came to them with an idea to duplicate documents. They deferred. Walla = Xerox. Anything is possible. Oil is something you can run through your fingers. In spite of all the efforts at electric, corn; oil shale, it is the most efficient. Iraq has it. Now, President trump is going to change all that. No more Mister Nice Guys; Carter Pablum eaters. We are tired of all this bull. the first step is RV- Screw the numbers and the analysis.

[AudiS4]

300% is good. but we're not arguing because we're mad about our return. We're confused why a redenomination makes any economical/financial sense other than to count easier. It doesn't give them the boost they WILL need if they truly plan on being a world player. No I'm not saying this because some pumper somewhere said so, therefore I regurgitate and believe it. I really actually believe it. What do you think is going to happen here in the good ol' US of A when hyperinflation kicks in? Do you really think you're going to continue living like you do when the dollar is truly, truly worthless? Good luck, seriously. If you're an importer (as Iraq is... name just one industry outside of oil that they're known for world wide), you're FAR better off with a higher exchange rate (social issues aside).

Edited April 23, 2011 by AudiS4

[commtrd]

What if the CBI doesn't give a damn about the Iraqi people? What if all they care about is the oil underground? Would that tend to nullify all these arguments based on the welfare of the Iraqi people?

[ezymoney]

very good post seus...this opinion has been stated before..by several others...however, it seems some aren't thinking realistically about this investment....I tend to believe Iraq has a long way to go, both politically and economically before we see any significant return on our investment . JMHO..

[AoK]

Hey, Cbisinger & Seus, correct me if I'm wrong, being a "noob" and all, but does it make any difference whether we compare Iraq to Turkey as opposed to Venezuela as I vaguely remember, maybe it was just from a post, or from Maliki or Shabibi himself likening or comparing their potential RV to Turkey's situation? (Understanding of course, that this whole situation is probably UNLIKE anything we or anyone else for that matter has ever seen in the past) Appreciate the enlightenment. So glad to have DV! YOU GUYS ROCK!!! GO RVVVVV!!!!!

[AK47]

Makes sense sues, unfortunately, like everything else posted, it is still only an opinion. You make good sense but I do not think anyone will really know what will happen until it happens.

[Buckeye Pilot]

Excellent post seus.....couldn't have said it any better myself....and of course the only ones that will bash you or dismiss everything your saying as nonsense are the ones still stuck on cloud nine and are too scared to face reality....good job bro....there are more then a handful that actually will be able to comprehend and understand this.....

You know what Keep.......

You post as if you have some sort of vast knowledge of how Iraqs economy is based along with your Ideological view that their is Just "No possible way" This investment actually could be a World Economy changing event. You have your opinion based on most part on what you have read here. I think that hardly qualifies you as an Economist visionary to be able to refute the facts..What country has a Trillion ++ In Oil and Nat Gas and has a Mostly wothless currency? Ans:None

I resent your posts about those of us who think we could be possibly wealthy.! WE are not realistic...On cloud nine....we dont want to hear that... Smoke and reality.........Bla Bla.

I do not know when this will happen....But I do know what will happen.

Take everything you,ve read on Economics along with all the background noise, Along with your, (Yea sure....Right) attitude and look at the most simplistic beautiful part of this. This will change how every country looks at their monetary system and free market economy for many many years.

Iraq has more wealth than YOU OR I could possibly imagine. Do you know they could have 50% of what their Oil is worth in Natural Gas alone?....Iraq makes Kuwait look like Bill gates compared to a Newspaper Boy. Thinking they will not have a Tradable currency and have NO respect in the ME with that kind riches,? You obviously have something blocking your thought process. We all will be stunned bunnies when this finally all shakes out. Im not bashing you, But you may want to loosen the bolts a bit.

Barry

[DeadGuy]

If they do it right, 10 years down the road Iraq could be a vacation wonderland.

It has so many places of religious meaning that if safe, people would flock there by the thousands.

All of this should be the cornerstones being placed for that future.

I think that is why they are taking so long as they NEED to get it right.

[suntiger]

I wish EVERYONE would stop calling it a LOP. It is called REDENOMINATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[YourIntelSux]

Sues,

I'm not trying to argue with you and I think you made great points. Im just curious who you think is going to be able to afford these millions of homes being built and opening new businesses without a RV before a LOP? If the average Iraqi citizen is making $3k annually(per the news articles, not gurus), a LOP pre RV with a slow increase in value over time would take years for the economy to get to a point where people could even afford these things. And what banks are going to loan money with that low of an income? A LOP of their currency doesn't seem to do anything for uprising of the people due the the poverty level. It only seems it will help the money supply issue. And I agree with ya that the goi's main concern is not our investments as Americans trying to get rich. But there is a sense of urgency to get the people decent living conditions.

Fact is, nobody knows until it's over and it is different than Kuwait. And Venezuela, and singpore, and every other country that has gone through currency changes. So we just don't know, gurus or loppers.

[coldwarvet]

Part of my working life has been as a commercial airline captain for a major US airline. During my second year on the property, our union was asked to vote on a new labor contract. The details are immaterial.

What IS germane to the discussion on this forum is that the opponents of the contract within our ranks took the very public attitude of "If you vote for this contract, you're STUPID!" The contract passed by a wide margin, in large part as a reaction to the overtly disrespectful stance taken by the opponents.

Point of the story: I don't care how much you believe in your point of view, calling someone names only diminishes your own credibility. We'd have a much better forum if all the labeling and name calling ceased. JMO. GO RV!

[PAPATOM]

Let's say that certain people got paid on a Thursday, and some on a Monday. They RV on Friday, takes effect on the banks opening on Sunday. People to get paid on Monday are completely screwed, while those paid on a Thursday are now living in the lap of luxury, where the only difference is the day they get paid.

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right there....in that elongated statement....shows, IN MY OPINION..... you don't have enough understanding to make a 46 page long post on why the RV won't happen anytime.

if it RVs between paydays.....the Dinar will adjust and those that got paid before the RV will simply have thier Dinar revalued, thus no screw job. the people that get paid after the rv will have their PAY adjusted lower so they earn the same amount, thus no screw job.

I didn't take the time to read the rest of your post since this started you off so far behind the level mark. I didn't give you a minus though, you thought you were smart.

[djwebby]

"Couldn't have said it better myself". - Yes, we know!!!!!!! Okay, not being a meanie - it was just such a nice hole you left. blessings.

Blessed Man - I am so sorry for the negative nates. They do not realize the power of their words, thus they will not benefit from this investment, whichever way it goes.

No need to state the obvious. I could not spell Democrates myself.

Who was it that was searching for an honest man? We may have found him.

I like your post.

[YourIntelSux]

So far, ever question I ask on here people have had a pretty good answer supporting both outcomes. I'd like to hear from any of the people that believe it is going to LOP on the housing/delevopment situation.

WHO IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD THESE NEW HOMES AND BUSINESSES WITHOUT INCREASED BUYING POWER? What's the point of these homes if everyone is still making $3k per year?

Maybe KEEP has the answer since he already knows 100% that it is impossible for an RV to occur?

[Buckeye Pilot]

So far, ever question I ask on here people have had a pretty good answer supporting both outcomes. I'd like to hear from any of the people that believe it is going to LOP on the housing/delevopment situation.

WHO IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD THESE NEW HOMES AND BUSINESSES WITHOUT INCREASED BUYING POWER? What's the point of these homes if everyone is still making $3k per year?

Maybe KEEP has the answer since he already knows 100% that it is impossible for an RV to occur?

Bingo...............