Why you may see a 3 dollar RV

[learning all i can]

TJ, thankyou for bringing the "other side" to our forum. I am very appreciative of the effort you have made to bring these points to mind.

I too, feel there will be a higher rv than .10 to .30 cents-----As your friend suggested, this plan has been in the makings for a mighty long time. Years have been spent making this thing come out just right. The plan will come together. (not to mention this plan is much bigger than mere man)

I choose not to speak harshly of Keep, Mr. Rich and several others on our site but there are many times, if you do not agree with their stance and expertise, you are made to feel stupid, ignorant or just don't have enough sense

to grace their presence.

I must commend Mr Rich for his apology. I so feel it was warranted.

If I have offended, I take this time to apolgize in advance

Again I thank you for giving me a reason for hoping for more

[keepmwlknfny]

Wow....didn't realize it was a contest. That comment speaks volumes as to your perspective on things. My guess is your parents pressured you into becoming quite the over achiever. I'm sorry for your pain.

As far as your friends blog. His opinion is taken with as much a grain of salt as keeps, yours, mine and every other soul involved in this craziness. My point is simply that the more one claims to know, the less they probably do know. No one has all the facts and figures. Every piece of "intel" is purely guesstimates and personal opinion. Nothing more.

As such, I prefer to see the positive side of things. I like to see the glass half full. I like to think that a RV of 1.00 or more is a possibility and I take offense to people who for some reason feel the need to belittle those of us who do focus on the positive. Keep and others come from a very negative perspective. They use words like "realistic" and "logical" however his numbers and hypothesis are neither realistic nor logical. They are simply his opinion because NO ONE has the accurate numbers. No one knows what the authors of the plan have done in the last few years , month or weeks.

When I first read his post, I sent a copy of it to a person I will not name. He is an investor in dinar and is the person who got me involved. I very much value his opinion because he is well read and educated in this investment and has many sources who keep him up to date in what is happening regarding Iraq. This was his response....

1- he reports 27T in circulation. Shabibi is on record as saying he has successfully pulled in about 85% of the notes with 3 zero's. This was back in May of 2010 i believe. So, they have pulled in more. The bulk of the currency is sitting in major countries vaults (I.E. US, Britain, France, etc) and they have agreements to NOT cash in right away and also to use those notes to back up and reinforce their own currencies as well as use them for oil purchases. So, Iraq will not need to have dollars to equal the cash in for $27T dinar. That is a fallacy.

2- this is clearly his opinion. These are NOT facts. He is emotional and assertive and is calling people names but this is his opinon.

3- How does he negate the IRAQ MOF paper that shows in 2009 they can handle $1.13?

4- How does he negate the UN/ IMF paper from 2003 that shows parts of the plan including RI'ing it back to $3.22. That the Iraqi people saw a drop in currency value by 600,000%. Why wouldnt there be a plan to equally restore it?

5- He is acting and speaking like he has all the facts. No one: Frank, Doc, Steve, etc etc etc have all the facts. This spider web is too far reaching. He is speaking out of fear. He has been taught through life that if it is too good to be true then it is. Well guess what- the too good to be true stuff never happens to him. Because he makes choices that are ante it.

6- If he is this passionate about it why is he wasting his time writing a book to try to negate it and others excitement? Why not just take his couple of hundred thousand dinar and stick it in a shoebox and move on with life. He can get an email from the exchange change announcement from someone Im sure. He doesnt need to waste his time on these sites. No, he is just arguing and trying to persuade folks to his way s of thinking. problem is he is limited. He doesnt have all the facts. Why should I even listen to him??!!

7- He is discounting the very notion that there was a plan put in place from the beginning. Why would we bring in General Hugh Taft or whatever his name is to handle the currency development & changeover in 2003? Why would we pay for the new currency? Why would we make the currency impossible to counterfeit. Why would we devalue it so so so so low? Why would we have a presidential order allowing (begging) our citizens to purchase the currency? Why? Why? Why? I can keep going but my point is there was and is a plan. This wasnt some fly by night operation where all of a sudden the strongest and most powerful nation the earth has ever seen woke up one day and said ...crap, we need to fight this Saddam guy...and then just rush into it. No, they have resources at their disposal. They used those rersources. They made a plan. They asked all the questions and thought of all the possibilities. America and those that own her debt (The Fed reserve) are not stupid nor short sided. There is an agenda at work...always. There is a plan in play...always.

8- He calls hiself negative in the last paragraph. Its how he sees the world. i agree with him- he is negative and it has stained his own reality. Now, it is possible that the RV rate can be low- say 1 penny or 10 cents or 30 cents. Very possible. But, Shabibi himself said that the value of the dinar needs to be more than the dollar and euro so the people will use it and drop the USD from being used. The USD is still the primary currency being used. They are Iraqi's with their own currency! We dont use the indian rupee or another currency. We use the USD here. They want the same thing there. in order to get the population to use it it needs to have some kind of value. This is why my personal belief is they will rv it higher than the dollar.

9- He is not taking into account the ability for modern day economists and finance people to have finacial instruments at their disposal that didnt exist. today they can monetize the oil in the ground before it is is accessed and sold. That is a value barometer. They currently have over 250 billion barrels at their disposal times $100 barrel well you get the picture. Add to it the other metals, mercury, agriculture, gold, sulpher, natural gas, tourism and a capitalist society and you can see they can be something special.

10- Japan was a fascist nation (closed society) who was decimated by nuclear war. They rose within a generation to be the 2nd largest economy on EARTH via a democratic and capitalist society. Their currency was changed. Iraq will follow a similar path- the difference is Japan had no resources in comparison to iraq.

I can keep going. Bottom line to me is he is shortsided, negative, and emotional. He acts like HE has all the facts and no one else does. Bottom line is that is ignorant. Shabibi and the folks who made this plan, etc are the ones with the facts and variables at his disposal. These people are some of the smartest in the world at what they do- finance, economies, etc. The authors of the plan are smart. This guy has an opinion and he is entitled to it. but to me its shortsided. Anyone who comes off like they know it all and have all the facts and all the variables covered and are just adament in this is what it is and will be....well, they are ignorant and not worthy of listening to and quite frankly a response. Come to think of it, not sure why you would even waste your time.So, bottom line, we'll know what's gonna happen when it happens and not a second before. To all those who want to see the potential positive side to this investment, I applaud you. Life is for dreaming so lets dream big. For those of you who are trapped in a world of negative karma, I wish the best in life because I know it can not be easy.

Peace to you all!

Well along with MANY other people on some of these sites it seems your friend still needs to do some more homework and needs to keep digging.....how is it he doesnt understand what removing excess liquidity is?? He can sit there and talk all big and bad but doesnt even know what he is saying......80% of the zeros were not removed......EXCESS LIQUIDITY was removed.....tell him to look up exactly what that means because he is speaking like one of the gurus twisting that article into meaning that PHYSICAL CURRENCY was taken out of circulation.......your friend speaks of other countries holding dinar in reserves.....NO ONE holds dinar in reserves....the dinar is NOT a currency used by ANY country for their foriegn reserves....the majority of all currency in reserves is the USD, the yen, the pound and one or two others......NOT DINAR......As I posted on my thread I copied a couple paragraphs that I found to show what China and what the UK hold in reserves currently....and guess what?? NO DINAR.......there is no proof anywhere of those countries holding dinar....especially china....the same country that people think have such a big stake in this and are holding things up possibly.....to think that any of those countries are holding dinar in reserves is stupid considering the fact they dont even recognize the dinar as a currency!! Yes they are invested in Iraq....FOR OIL......thats what their major stake is in this......again your so called "well educated friend" still neglects to even address the issue of the outstanding amount in circulation.....just nonsensical remarks trying to bash who I am just because he cant prove me wrong and because he just doesnt wanna hear what could be true....and thats what most people do.....the simple minded refuse to believe whats right in front of them. they turn the other cheek when its something they dont wanna hear and its pretty sad.....Im not stuck in a world of negative...Im living in reality....and if living in reality is being negative, I would love to know how you are able to stay in disney land for such a large part of your life including this investment....instead of trying to prove his point with facts all he can do is try to attack me personally which is actually quite entertaining seeing as he has nothing else intelligent to say......He needs to do some real investigating......and alot of you apparently do.....Im not sitting here telling you that Iraq cannot have a high valued currency....because in time they will.....IN TIME......but it will not come out the gate that high....they WILL have the oil reserves to do so, they WILL have the oil production to do so....Im NOT doubting that......but beyond that, regardless of if they can support a $10 rate, with such a large PHYSICAL money supply it simply cannot happen....I wont even go into the inflation factor when you try to jump such a high value with no goods to purchase......its a no brainer......until they handle that money supply its going to start low.....look at Kuwaits physical currency in circulation....look at the US currency in circulation (NOT ELECTRONIC and NOT the M2 numbers as that is a combo of both) And if you can still tell yourself that Iraq will end up with a PHYSICAL currency supply worth of over 81 trillion dollars with a 3 dollar RV (which is more then almost the entire world combined) then please pass whatever your smoking on this way cause I could use some of that!!! And for those of you who are too lazy to do your own legwork and you like to be spoonfed all your unreliable info like little babies here is the CURRENT figures for Iraqs currency in circulation outside the banks.....aka PHYSICAL CURRENCY IN CIRCULATION......if you need help reading the doc please let me know.....

1. Shabibi never stated that. Excess liquidity was removed it never said physical currency and then it was re-instated into the economy. Keepm's view is is grounded based on statistics and facts. His facts are exactly what the statistics show at the cbi website.www.cbi.iq

The MOP study is over a decade old. It refers to a time when the "official exchange rate" was $3.22. Its out dated. Can you provide any facts or statistics or anything valid, other that the glass is half full. Keep'm and other are prepared for alternative outcomes. Everyone would love a 3 dollar rv, duh. Its just a lop with a rv attached could equal a 3 rv while reducing "trillions to millions" If you want to pick the outcome, and just shove anything in the middle to make your destiny, thats fine. But dont hate on those that bring stats and reason. Your right, no one knows what or when things will happen, Just remember were all on the same team, some preside in stats and facts, and others use faith, conspiracy, imminentcy, and fairy tale ideas to justify the rv.

I love the standard piece that flys down when they talk of fractional banking. It show how everything will play out. My question how many barrels of oil will Iraq have to give away, to bring in their formerly worthless currency from all the governments.

Its ok truthful....some just cant put the koolaid down.......we are on the same page....some just cant handle reality and we cant blame them......

[Pollyollie]

I must say that I'm impressed with the efforts of both sides' computations. I have one observation and one opinion.

Observation: Computations are only as good as the facts and assumptions upon which they are based. Also, one flaw in the ointment may be assuming that the RV will be logically- financially-based rather than agenda-based.

Opinion: Based on the vile and insane U.S. monetary paradigm and my belief that big money interests are guiding the RV, it is my opinion that certain U.S. political factions may intend to stay in power by using the RV to bring money to the US (or escape with it). If true, then the RV will not be small.

[youliveonce]

So,with. 27 trillion IQD out there,I have a hard time accepting an RV at $3.00. HOW much money are We talking about and where will it come from.?? Anyone believing that we will become multi millionaire's on an investment of $2000.00,for example,is unrealistic. IMO. Too good to be true. I also disagree that the Iraqi government has it's priorities in order. Corruption and a lack of urgency for this long demonstrates that the powers in charge are clueless.

[JuryPicker]

So,with. 27 trillion IQD out there,I have a hard time accepting an RV at $3.00. HOW much money are We talking about and where will it come from.?? Anyone believing that we will become multi millionaire's on an investment of $2000.00,for example,is unrealistic. IMO. Too good to be true. I also disagree that the Iraqi government has it's priorities in order. Corruption and a lack of urgency for this long demonstrates that the powers in charge are clueless.

The problem with the puzzle is…..where is the 27 Trillion? I agree that with that kind of currency out there it puts a wrench in the figures but, you must know where it is first. And if you would have put $2000 in Microsoft , WalMart, Google etc. before it went public you would not make that statement. I hope we're all surprised.

[cocklebur]

My friend keepm has started a whirlwind with his thread on why the RV will be very low. I assure you his piece is strictly HIS OPINION and not fact. This post is simply a website showing the other side to keeps post. It has a link which I will use as evidence that a RV of 1 dollar or greater is a real good possibility. Keepm's major point as to why it will RV low is due to the 27 trillion dinar currently in circulation. This link debunks that claim and explains what possible options are out there. Read it in it's entirety but pay special attention to the 3rd paragraph under the title "What is the rate?"

There are two sides to every coin. Even the dinar coins. Although I can't say for sure because they are NOT in circulation. Please enjoy the read....

http://***********.wordpress.com/2010/09/11/the-truth-about-the-iraqi-dinar-part-2/

And Now , Jealousy and Reality both Rear Their Ugly Heads, LOL

[tjmunson]

Well along with MANY other people on some of these sites it seems your friend still needs to do some more homework and needs to keep digging.....how is it he doesnt understand what removing excess liquidity is?? He can sit there and talk all big and bad but doesnt even know what he is saying......80% of the zeros were not removed......EXCESS LIQUIDITY was removed.....tell him to look up exactly what that means because he is speaking like one of the gurus twisting that article into meaning that PHYSICAL CURRENCY was taken out of circulation.......your friend speaks of other countries holding dinar in reserves.....NO ONE holds dinar in reserves....the dinar is NOT a currency used by ANY country for their foriegn reserves....the majority of all currency in reserves is the USD, the yen, the pound and one or two others......NOT DINAR......As I posted on my thread I copied a couple paragraphs that I found to show what China and what the UK hold in reserves currently....and guess what?? NO DINAR.......there is no proof anywhere of those countries holding dinar....especially china....the same country that people think have such a big stake in this and are holding things up possibly.....to think that any of those countries are holding dinar in reserves is stupid considering the fact they dont even recognize the dinar as a currency!! Yes they are invested in Iraq....FOR OIL......thats what their major stake is in this......again your so called "well educated friend" still neglects to even address the issue of the outstanding amount in circulation.....just nonsensical remarks trying to bash who I am just because he cant prove me wrong and because he just doesnt wanna hear what could be true....and thats what most people do.....the simple minded refuse to believe whats right in front of them. they turn the other cheek when its something they dont wanna hear and its pretty sad.....Im not stuck in a world of negative...Im living in reality....and if living in reality is being negative, I would love to know how you are able to stay in disney land for such a large part of your life including this investment....instead of trying to prove his point with facts all he can do is try to attack me personally which is actually quite entertaining seeing as he has nothing else intelligent to say......He needs to do some real investigating......and alot of you apparently do.....Im not sitting here telling you that Iraq cannot have a high valued currency....because in time they will.....IN TIME......but it will not come out the gate that high....they WILL have the oil reserves to do so, they WILL have the oil production to do so....Im NOT doubting that......but beyond that, regardless of if they can support a $10 rate, with such a large PHYSICAL money supply it simply cannot happen....I wont even go into the inflation factor when you try to jump such a high value with no goods to purchase......its a no brainer......until they handle that money supply its going to start low.....look at Kuwaits physical currency in circulation....look at the US currency in circulation (NOT ELECTRONIC and NOT the M2 numbers as that is a combo of both) And if you can still tell yourself that Iraq will end up with a PHYSICAL currency supply worth of over 81 trillion dollars with a 3 dollar RV (which is more then almost the entire world combined) then please pass whatever your smoking on this way cause I could use some of that!!! And for those of you who are too lazy to do your own legwork and you like to be spoonfed all your unreliable info like little babies here is the CURRENT figures for Iraqs currency in circulation outside the banks.....aka PHYSICAL CURRENCY IN CIRCULATION......if you need help reading the doc please let me know.....

Its ok truthful....some just cant put the koolaid down.......we are on the same page....some just cant handle reality and we cant blame them......

My dear friend, you are like the kid who walks out of accounting school and says,,,"of course everybody pays their taxes. It's the law and that's what they have to do". You are very black and white with your thought process IMO. You need to try and understand that this is not a traditional black and white investment and I honestly believe that what is going on in Iraq is bending and changing many of the rules we've seen in the past.

IMO there is one line you said that put it perfectly....."he just doesnt wanna hear what could be true"

That, my friend has been my point all along. NO ONE knows what could be true except for the authors of the plan. This is a new ballgame and anything could be true. This situation could very well make or break the global economy. As a result I firmly believve the traditional play book has been thrown out and we are gonna see things that the world has never seen before. Stop being so text book. Have the faith and dismiss the youthful ego and arrogance long enough to see the big picture. I know you won't, and that's ok. You're a young gun with much to prove. I admire that.

I've said my piece and I am now done with this thread. I love your determination and grit Keepm. Don't ever lose it. I wish you nothing but the best and hope that when this is all over I can buy you a beer and toast to us both a job well done.

That is of course if you are of legal drinking age....LOL. peace to you brother.

TJ

[bluejay]

I must say that I'm impressed with the efforts of both sides' computations. I have one observation and one opinion.

Observation: Computations are only as good as the facts and assumptions upon which they are based. Also, one flaw in the ointment may be assuming that the RV will be logically- financially-based rather than agenda-based.

Opinion: Based on the vile and insane U.S. monetary paradigm and my belief that big money interests are guiding the RV, it is my opinion that certain U.S. political factions may intend to stay in power by using the RV to bring money to the US (or escape with it). If true, then the RV will not be small.

I couldn't have said it better, I too think Keeps point is very well said, and he has put in the time to construct his claim and I have learned a tremendous amount from his post....I have to thank him some how....But I do feel there could be some outside agenda that could change the game, lets face it governments can write the rules as they go....Lets hope we see buy the end of this year....

[Joedinar]

Unless the Iraqi government has continuosly printed new Iraqi Dinar then there is absolutely no way that there is 27 trillion physical dinar. Not only do i feel that the GOI has been pulling in the currency continuosly, but I look at it in terms of a $1 bill. The average life span of this bill is 18 to 22 months. After this the bill is so worn that it becomes worthless. I understand that it is still electronically recorded as a currency but this gives me the impression that it would be very easy for the GOI to collect many of the dinar that were printed and remove the physical bills. I also feel that a 25000 dinar note does not have a life as long as the dollar bill. I mean no offense to anyone and can not verify it because I have never been to the Middle East, but Iraq would not have as good of means to keep the dinar in good shape. I may be way off but personally think that this could be a very good explanation as to why there is no where near that many physical dinar in circulation.

There maybe another way to look at this too...We need to check the date printed on your Dinar Notes...When you do you will find that there is no newer notes than 2004 which is the 250"s...Check um and see for yourself. If any one has any printed since 04..PLEASE LET ME KNOW....I BET YOU DONT!!! LOL

[ngriffi5]

There maybe another way to look at this too...We need to check the date printed on your Dinar Notes...When you do you will find that there is no newer notes than 2004 which is the 250"s...Check um and see for yourself. If any one has any printed since 04..PLEASE LET ME KNOW....I BET YOU DONT!!! LOL

My point exactly lol. I have no source or secret intel but i strongly feel that they have been continually lowering the amount in circulation. The life of the bills would be short and i havent heard of them reprinting and on ones i have seen there is definately no 2006 07 08 09 or 10 that is for sure so naturally it is going to be lower....how much i do not know though....hmmmm

[rumple]

ok, brand spankin newbi here. imho, and correct me if I am wrong here... to me it would not make the IQD a very tradable currency if it came in at 1cent...5cents...10cents... would it? It would need to be on par with KWD, USD, EURO, etc, etc. I am not a huge believer in it RVing over 1.50-2.00USD but probably in the .80-1.00 USD range. ANYTHING is possible though, and not a single person, including the so called guru's can call a date and rate. It happens when it happens.

[KramerDinar]

ok, brand spankin newbi here. imho, and correct me if I am wrong here... to me it would not make the IQD a very tradable currency if it came in at 1cent...5cents...10cents... would it? It would need to be on par with KWD, USD, EURO, etc, etc. I am not a huge believer in it RVing over 1.50-2.00USD but probably in the .80-1.00 USD range. ANYTHING is possible though, and not a single person, including the so called guru's can call a date and rate. It happens when it happens.

A low rate will just allow every investor in the world to own a piece of Iraq. I think the lowest we see is chopping the 3 zeros off the rate and making it .86. I do not think we see it higher than Kuwait, at least not right away. A rate is anyone's guess. We can't really put ourselves in their shoes because if that was the case, we would probably take less holidays and actually accomplish stuff faster, so with their illogical thinking, it could go virtually anyway possible.

Edited March 18, 2011 by KramerDinar

[jmilkey]

Keep is like an angry dog that just keeps coming back....

If you took the time to read some of his gobbled logic you quickly realize that Keep has a fairly one dimensional mind.

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Ok, we all get what you "think" is going on, dDoesn't make it a fact. In a multi-dimensional situation like Iraq, to over simplify something of this magnitude is basically just being ignorant and I know you think this because you stated it numerous times, how simple this really all is...

Its not simple, its not predictable and you do not know what is going to happen....period.

And how in the hell do you know what other countries are holding as far as Dinar? I have friends in EU, Australia and Canada who all have Dinar. You don't think a government could get its hands on a few billion dinar?

Its like arguing with my little sister.

[Krash]

$1.00 or $3.00, I just want anything above 10 cents!!!

[ogmious9]

tjmunson I owe you an apology. I like keepm and I felt that your post was a shot at him and I overreacted. You make some valid points and that's what the forum is for, to hear all views. My bad.

So what if it was a jab at Keep. He takes enough at people that it should be fair enough for someone else to poke back. It's simple really, don't start none and there wont be none.

[youliveonce]

KEEP provides a a point of view.One must look at BOTH sides of the coin.After years of bogus INTEL and rediculous RV predictions, KEEPS makes common sense to me. I needed reality check after all of the speculation and dreaming of what it is going to be like as an overnight millionaire. If anything sounds too good to be true, it usually is. Frankly, I cannot understand how with 27 trillion IQD in circulation how we are going to be paid if there was an RV at let's say $1.50. Where is the money going to come from? Moreover, I trust a used car salesman more than I trust a bunch of corrupt Arabs.

[CTS-VwithRV]

Keep is like an angry dog that just keeps coming back....

If you took the time to read some of his gobbled logic you quickly realize that Keep has a fairly one dimensional mind.

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Ok, we all get what you "think" is going on, dDoesn't make it a fact. In a multi-dimensional situation like Iraq, to over simplify something of this magnitude is basically just being ignorant and I know you think this because you stated it numerous times, how simple this really all is...

Its not simple, its not predictable and you do not know what is going to happen....period.

And how in the hell do you know what other countries are holding as far as Dinar? I have friends in EU, Australia and Canada who all have Dinar. You don't think a government could get its hands on a few billion dinar?

Its like arguing with my little sister.

Could not agree more. It is sad actually. Great comment!

[tcat1]

The author of that blog is a friend of mine, and I can assure you that he doesn't believe there will be a $3 or even a $2 RV. He might be a bit more diplomatic about how he states things, but his views aren't so different from keepm's.

I'm going to make my prediction now. I predict that this thread won't go 13 pages!

What do the number of pages have to do with anything? And the fact that the guy is your friend makes a difference? Unless you can definitively draw sound quantitative support for coming in as low as you claim, you have nothing but an unending debate with no winner. That proves ? Iraq cannot enter the world market with a whimper. It was not mapped that route. It will lead the ME in wealth in less then 12 mos. Maliki will be gone. There will be an RV soon & it will be close to Kuwaits' Dinar as agreed via Kuwait and IMF. If the rate was to be $ .10 then we know some individuals that could buy this country and monopolize the resources.

[Merlin]

Well, since no one can prove or disprove one way or the other, why can't we just agree to disagree and forget about it?

I mean when this thing POPs it will be done and it will be what it will be and that’s it!

I love to read about everyone’s ideas and some say it will be .10 cents and others 5.00 Dollars or more! It's great! All we can do for now or until this RV / RI happens is to dream right? So dream Big but be prepared to take less and ether way be very thankful and happy with what we get! Remember things could go to heck in a hand basket over there in a minute and we would get Nothing!

I really don't think that will happen, But in this time and in these days anything Could Happen! Fact!

Now for me? And this is just my dream! OK? But when we (Family and friends in AZ) got involved in this Investment back early in 2005 we had a very good contact over in Iraq and he was in banking and we bought all are Dinar from him. My Son-in-law is a registered dealer for Iraq Dinar and right after Bush made this investment open to ALL Americans we bought ours, what ever each person could afford to Loose! That was the rules! Because the "0" possibility was explained to us back then! So on we went and I was privileged to talk with our contact in Iraq a few times and he tolled me that he helped assign, load, and ship 3 747 cargo plains that went to Washington DC! Where in DC and who he could not tell! But remember when Bush said "We or the US is Going to get Paid for this WAR and saving the Iraqi people!" well something like that, it was a few years ago and I was not writing it down at the time! But from what we knew and still do, Is Bush was setting the US up to pay off ALL of our debt! Lower Tax’s and get us a good deal on oil to but! That's just rumor, that's why I’m telling this in here! So, that takes care of the US's problems.

Now we where tolled back then that the RV would be NO less then the Kuwaiti Dinar is at when the RV happens, infect it was going to be 0.5 to 0.10 cents Higher then Kuwait! So I’m sticking with that for my Dream cause that’s what I was tolled before anyone new anything about this. Well, most anyone.

The facts for the Iraqi to make good on that money was based on Oil and you all know that, But don't forget they are one of the largest natural gas reserves in the ground in the world! I remember he (Our Iraq Banker) was laughing when he tolled us about the farmer that all most blew him self up while plowing his field and hit a natural gas pocket! And that has happened more then once! So they have lots of gas! OK?

The last thing he added and that we had proof of way back from some US report about the Gold they where finding that Belonged to Iraqi people! They had over 868 Tons! (That's TONS) of gold at that time! That would easily make good on the entire Dinar they have out everywhere in the world! I understand that it much higher now as they keep finding hiding places of the former Dictator! So I don't know what the amount might be today? But I'm sure it’s a whole lot more then they would need excluding the oil!

So anyway that’s my belief and I’m stricken to it till the RV tells me differently, It’s my dream and I dream big because after I take care of my family, I’m looking at all the good I can do for others, cause I want to plaint lots of seeds!

Think of the rest of the world, all the people and Countries that are involved in this could be saved and I pray Will be saved from all the bad stuff we are headed for and may, (With any luck) change and save the world from whets coming. You know timelines and destiny is not insincerely written in stone and is subject to change. Just image if everyone had food all over the world and a job and place to live? There would be no more war! No more of the have knots trying to take from the haves! Well I tolled you I dream BIG! And I pray just as big! and if that means I feel the RV is going to be in the high 3.00 to 4.00 dollar to 1 US dollar range is because it might make a lot of my dreams and prayers come true and wouldn’t that be just grand???

So why look for some facts and data and manipulate the numbers until it shows 0.10 cents to the US Dollar? I mean don't be a party pooper! Let everyone dream BIG and ride this wave on high! It makes it much easier, so just go with it because for ever person that says they can prove the 0.10 cent deal there will be just as many people that will prove it will be $4.00 to 1.00!

One other thing if this RV comes in at say 0.50 cents to 1 You know how many rich investors will be buying your Dinar for a lot more and how many investors will not cash in! They will wait for the price to go UP! So Iraq will not be getting all there big bills out of circulation like they need and want too! Of course the Big Downfall for all of us would be that they RV @ 0.10 cents to 1 and give everyone like 30 days to turn in the big bills! After that they are no good! Now that would be BAD! Very BAD for us! And it could happen! Know one knows! So keep Dreaming BIG!

Hears another scenario! You do know that Iraq has paid a lot of there debt back to places like Kuwait and this was doing at a near RV rate! Now what do you think would happen if the RV for say 0.10 cents to 1? They just going to call Kuwait and say well sorry but you know the 5 billion we paid you? Well it’s only going to be 5 Million instead and that's just too bad? I hope are troops are not all out of there by then because there is going to be a WAR all over again!

I have more but I'm sure your tired of reading by now so I'll just leave you with my prediction that the RV / RI will be somewhere around 3.50 to 4.25 to 1 USD The world will be spared (at least for now) and we will all rejoice all over the world and live happily ever after! say what you want, But that's my dream and if it gets anywhere close to that I will fall to my knees in pray till I pass out thanking the big guy up there and next day I’m going to get my hands dirty trying to help everyone I can! And so should you! Just saying Take what you need and Play the rest Forward, plant seeds and you will never want for anything! And the Big Guy Tolled us all that a long time ago and I believe him before I will believe 0.10 cents to 1 USD!

Thank you for reading, Take care, Have Fun, God Bless, GO GO GO RV!!! Merlin...

Edited March 18, 2011 by Merlin

[Chat]

Wow....didn't realize it was a contest. That comment speaks volumes as to your perspective on things. My guess is your parents pressured you into becoming quite the over achiever. I'm sorry for your pain.

As far as your friends blog. His opinion is taken with as much a grain of salt as keeps, yours, mine and every other soul involved in this craziness. My point is simply that the more one claims to know, the less they probably do know. No one has all the facts and figures. Every piece of "intel" is purely guesstimates and personal opinion. Nothing more.

As such, I prefer to see the positive side of things. I like to see the glass half full. I like to think that a RV of 1.00 or more is a possibility and I take offense to people who for some reason feel the need to belittle those of us who do focus on the positive. Keep and others come from a very negative perspective. They use words like "realistic" and "logical" however his numbers and hypothesis are neither realistic nor logical. They are simply his opinion because NO ONE has the accurate numbers. No one knows what the authors of the plan have done in the last few years , month or weeks.

When I first read his post, I sent a copy of it to a person I will not name. He is an investor in dinar and is the person who got me involved. I very much value his opinion because he is well read and educated in this investment and has many sources who keep him up to date in what is happening regarding Iraq. This was his response....

1- he reports 27T in circulation. Shabibi is on record as saying he has successfully pulled in about 85% of the notes with 3 zero's. This was back in May of 2010 i believe. So, they have pulled in more. The bulk of the currency is sitting in major countries vaults (I.E. US, Britain, France, etc) and they have agreements to NOT cash in right away and also to use those notes to back up and reinforce their own currencies as well as use them for oil purchases. So, Iraq will not need to have dollars to equal the cash in for $27T dinar. That is a fallacy.

2- this is clearly his opinion. These are NOT facts. He is emotional and assertive and is calling people names but this is his opinon.

3- How does he negate the IRAQ MOF paper that shows in 2009 they can handle $1.13?

4- How does he negate the UN/ IMF paper from 2003 that shows parts of the plan including RI'ing it back to $3.22. That the Iraqi people saw a drop in currency value by 600,000%. Why wouldnt there be a plan to equally restore it?

5- He is acting and speaking like he has all the facts. No one: Frank, Doc, Steve, etc etc etc have all the facts. This spider web is too far reaching. He is speaking out of fear. He has been taught through life that if it is too good to be true then it is. Well guess what- the too good to be true stuff never happens to him. Because he makes choices that are ante it.

6- If he is this passionate about it why is he wasting his time writing a book to try to negate it and others excitement? Why not just take his couple of hundred thousand dinar and stick it in a shoebox and move on with life. He can get an email from the exchange change announcement from someone Im sure. He doesnt need to waste his time on these sites. No, he is just arguing and trying to persuade folks to his way s of thinking. problem is he is limited. He doesnt have all the facts. Why should I even listen to him??!!

7- He is discounting the very notion that there was a plan put in place from the beginning. Why would we bring in General Hugh Taft or whatever his name is to handle the currency development & changeover in 2003? Why would we pay for the new currency? Why would we make the currency impossible to counterfeit. Why would we devalue it so so so so low? Why would we have a presidential order allowing (begging) our citizens to purchase the currency? Why? Why? Why? I can keep going but my point is there was and is a plan. This wasnt some fly by night operation where all of a sudden the strongest and most powerful nation the earth has ever seen woke up one day and said ...crap, we need to fight this Saddam guy...and then just rush into it. No, they have resources at their disposal. They used those rersources. They made a plan. They asked all the questions and thought of all the possibilities. America and those that own her debt (The Fed reserve) are not stupid nor short sided. There is an agenda at work...always. There is a plan in play...always.

8- He calls hiself negative in the last paragraph. Its how he sees the world. i agree with him- he is negative and it has stained his own reality. Now, it is possible that the RV rate can be low- say 1 penny or 10 cents or 30 cents. Very possible. But, Shabibi himself said that the value of the dinar needs to be more than the dollar and euro so the people will use it and drop the USD from being used. The USD is still the primary currency being used. They are Iraqi's with their own currency! We dont use the indian rupee or another currency. We use the USD here. They want the same thing there. in order to get the population to use it it needs to have some kind of value. This is why my personal belief is they will rv it higher than the dollar.

9- He is not taking into account the ability for modern day economists and finance people to have finacial instruments at their disposal that didnt exist. today they can monetize the oil in the ground before it is is accessed and sold. That is a value barometer. They currently have over 250 billion barrels at their disposal times $100 barrel well you get the picture. Add to it the other metals, mercury, agriculture, gold, sulpher, natural gas, tourism and a capitalist society and you can see they can be something special.

10- Japan was a fascist nation (closed society) who was decimated by nuclear war. They rose within a generation to be the 2nd largest economy on EARTH via a democratic and capitalist society. Their currency was changed. Iraq will follow a similar path- the difference is Japan had no resources in comparison to iraq.

I can keep going. Bottom line to me is he is shortsided, negative, and emotional. He acts like HE has all the facts and no one else does. Bottom line is that is ignorant. Shabibi and the folks who made this plan, etc are the ones with the facts and variables at his disposal. These people are some of the smartest in the world at what they do- finance, economies, etc. The authors of the plan are smart. This guy has an opinion and he is entitled to it. but to me its shortsided. Anyone who comes off like they know it all and have all the facts and all the variables covered and are just adament in this is what it is and will be....well, they are ignorant and not worthy of listening to and quite frankly a response. Come to think of it, not sure why you would even waste your time.So, bottom line, we'll know what's gonna happen when it happens and not a second before. To all those who want to see the potential positive side to this investment, I applaud you. Life is for dreaming so lets dream big. For those of you who are trapped in a world of negative karma, I wish the best in life because I know it can not be easy.

Peace to you all!

I agree 100% great post.

[MrRich]

What do the number of pages have to do with anything? And the fact that the guy is your friend makes a difference? Unless you can definitively draw sound quantitative support for coming in as low as you claim, you have nothing but an unending debate with no winner. That proves ? Iraq cannot enter the world market with a whimper. It was not mapped that route. It will lead the ME in wealth in less then 12 mos. Maliki will be gone. There will be an RV soon & it will be close to Kuwaits' Dinar as agreed via Kuwait and IMF. If the rate was to be $ .10 then we know some individuals that could buy this country and monopolize the resources.

The fact that he's my friend allows me some insight into his thinking that others here don't have. I know that he doesn't consider $3 a reasonable rate so citing his blog to support the belief that the new value could be $3 doesn't work IMO. I gave my reasons for the rate I expect in the other thread.

If you believe Maliki will be gone in 12 months then you shouldn't believe in a high rate because stability and security are two things that Iraq needs to gain the confidence of the international financial community and support a higher rate. A nation's currency is only as good as the government behind it, and if Iraq shows weakness in this area their currency will reflect that. Like him or not, Maliki is the PM and we need him to finish out his term.

[ThePhantomRider]

Look I've not had a negative post on this site ever, I can attest to that, and both sides make compelling and intelligent arguments and quite frankly, both sides will most likely be proven equally wrong. I believe that IF...IF the dinar comes in lower than $1 it will be in the .80 cent range with a copious spread on a managed float. Theoretically anything less would create a far too volatile situation in the Forex market of which the CBI and IMF would have little hope offsetting or handling. I am comfortable in the 1.30 to no more than 2.50 range which allows for a substantial recovery of past exchange (not Saddam 3.22) AND the ability to utilize a tightly managed float and see where the currency moves from there. A dime is a blessing, but it WILL be bought up, swallowed up if you will at that rate, period, end of story.

What this really comes down to is, EGO. You have the Olkies, TK's, Chickenpokers, Cage Truckers, Steves...etc all proclaiming to have the best intel and inside track on the RV...What the rate and date is...We all know they are jokes and nothing more than the Enquirer Tabloid Guru's of Dinar.

You have the intellectuals, Doc31, Scooter, Enoch and others who use experience and non emotional differential to express their OPINION on the dinar. Their goals is to allow for clean information without spin to sell their story. Sure they do offer opinion about what they see, but from a point of view with experience.

Then you have Keepm...he tells it like he sees it, he's the one who's gonna warn ya that this is not that big, the RV will not mean millions and he may be right....but WOW, if he's wrong, well then who's happier than him to be wrong??? I know there are Dinar investors out there far smarter than you or I who could poke just as many holes in your OPINION as you did to the guru info. However that's not the point, the point here is EGO and my boy you have it in spades. You are the anti Okie but run in the same need to be hated vein as Okie needs to be loved. You crave attention with the misrepresentation that you are actually trying to warn people not to be hopeful or even bow down to your low RV prediction because in the end, you risk nothing....NOTHING!! Just like all the gurus.

You could have simply expressed your opinion and analysis in an astute and adult manner without cynicism, or smugness, but the true nature of your post was for attention and to simply get off rubbing people's nose in what amounts to a very gutless post. You took no risk, anything over a dime is a win... you seek out negative attention and I and others fully believe you truly get off on making others feel bad or uncomfortable by using "being real" as your foil.

A picture tells a thousand words, and yours....tells it all, you know people comment about it especially based on your posts, and you get off on it.

You get respect points here for sticking to your guns and a well thought out opinion, but your smarmy attitude and absolute inability to engage in an adult conversation without a retaliatory stance really exposes your desperate need and that is simply attention.

Sorry, I have never gone negative, but I am not really understanding the lengths some go to falsely build people up or tear them down just for their own amusement. Keep, this is the last time I'll spend commenting on anything you say, which means it's an opportune time to strike back, and I'll let you...for you can't refute post after post attempting to be prophetic and wise all the while being a smug.....Sounds like perhaps you need your very own Dinar Site...call it DinarDowners.com....

TPR

[Tricia01]

I have heard as much as $6 for an RV rate. What I want to know is what kind of an apology you will make if it does RV at 3+ or will you just shy away and hide from emberassment!

[JayLee202]

Wow....didn't realize it was a contest. That comment speaks volumes as to your perspective on things. My guess is your parents pressured you into becoming quite the over achiever. I'm sorry for your pain.

As far as your friends blog. His opinion is taken with as much a grain of salt as keeps, yours, mine and every other soul involved in this craziness. My point is simply that the more one claims to know, the less they probably do know. No one has all the facts and figures. Every piece of "intel" is purely guesstimates and personal opinion. Nothing more.

As such, I prefer to see the positive side of things. I like to see the glass half full. I like to think that a RV of 1.00 or more is a possibility and I take offense to people who for some reason feel the need to belittle those of us who do focus on the positive. Keep and others come from a very negative perspective. They use words like "realistic" and "logical" however his numbers and hypothesis are neither realistic nor logical. They are simply his opinion because NO ONE has the accurate numbers. No one knows what the authors of the plan have done in the last few years , month or weeks.

When I first read his post, I sent a copy of it to a person I will not name. He is an investor in dinar and is the person who got me involved. I very much value his opinion because he is well read and educated in this investment and has many sources who keep him up to date in what is happening regarding Iraq. This was his response....

1- he reports 27T in circulation. Shabibi is on record as saying he has successfully pulled in about 85% of the notes with 3 zero's. This was back in May of 2010 i believe. So, they have pulled in more. The bulk of the currency is sitting in major countries vaults (I.E. US, Britain, France, etc) and they have agreements to NOT cash in right away and also to use those notes to back up and reinforce their own currencies as well as use them for oil purchases. So, Iraq will not need to have dollars to equal the cash in for $27T dinar. That is a fallacy.

2- this is clearly his opinion. These are NOT facts. He is emotional and assertive and is calling people names but this is his opinon.

3- How does he negate the IRAQ MOF paper that shows in 2009 they can handle $1.13?

4- How does he negate the UN/ IMF paper from 2003 that shows parts of the plan including RI'ing it back to $3.22. That the Iraqi people saw a drop in currency value by 600,000%. Why wouldnt there be a plan to equally restore it?

5- He is acting and speaking like he has all the facts. No one: Frank, Doc, Steve, etc etc etc have all the facts. This spider web is too far reaching. He is speaking out of fear. He has been taught through life that if it is too good to be true then it is. Well guess what- the too good to be true stuff never happens to him. Because he makes choices that are ante it.

6- If he is this passionate about it why is he wasting his time writing a book to try to negate it and others excitement? Why not just take his couple of hundred thousand dinar and stick it in a shoebox and move on with life. He can get an email from the exchange change announcement from someone Im sure. He doesnt need to waste his time on these sites. No, he is just arguing and trying to persuade folks to his way s of thinking. problem is he is limited. He doesnt have all the facts. Why should I even listen to him??!!

7- He is discounting the very notion that there was a plan put in place from the beginning. Why would we bring in General Hugh Taft or whatever his name is to handle the currency development & changeover in 2003? Why would we pay for the new currency? Why would we make the currency impossible to counterfeit. Why would we devalue it so so so so low? Why would we have a presidential order allowing (begging) our citizens to purchase the currency? Why? Why? Why? I can keep going but my point is there was and is a plan. This wasnt some fly by night operation where all of a sudden the strongest and most powerful nation the earth has ever seen woke up one day and said ...crap, we need to fight this Saddam guy...and then just rush into it. No, they have resources at their disposal. They used those rersources. They made a plan. They asked all the questions and thought of all the possibilities. America and those that own her debt (The Fed reserve) are not stupid nor short sided. There is an agenda at work...always. There is a plan in play...always.

8- He calls hiself negative in the last paragraph. Its how he sees the world. i agree with him- he is negative and it has stained his own reality. Now, it is possible that the RV rate can be low- say 1 penny or 10 cents or 30 cents. Very possible. But, Shabibi himself said that the value of the dinar needs to be more than the dollar and euro so the people will use it and drop the USD from being used. The USD is still the primary currency being used. They are Iraqi's with their own currency! We dont use the indian rupee or another currency. We use the USD here. They want the same thing there. in order to get the population to use it it needs to have some kind of value. This is why my personal belief is they will rv it higher than the dollar.

9- He is not taking into account the ability for modern day economists and finance people to have finacial instruments at their disposal that didnt exist. today they can monetize the oil in the ground before it is is accessed and sold. That is a value barometer. They currently have over 250 billion barrels at their disposal times $100 barrel well you get the picture. Add to it the other metals, mercury, agriculture, gold, sulpher, natural gas, tourism and a capitalist society and you can see they can be something special.

10- Japan was a fascist nation (closed society) who was decimated by nuclear war. They rose within a generation to be the 2nd largest economy on EARTH via a democratic and capitalist society. Their currency was changed. Iraq will follow a similar path- the difference is Japan had no resources in comparison to iraq.

I can keep going. Bottom line to me is he is shortsided, negative, and emotional. He acts like HE has all the facts and no one else does. Bottom line is that is ignorant. Shabibi and the folks who made this plan, etc are the ones with the facts and variables at his disposal. These people are some of the smartest in the world at what they do- finance, economies, etc. The authors of the plan are smart. This guy has an opinion and he is entitled to it. but to me its shortsided. Anyone who comes off like they know it all and have all the facts and all the variables covered and are just adament in this is what it is and will be....well, they are ignorant and not worthy of listening to and quite frankly a response. Come to think of it, not sure why you would even waste your time.So, bottom line, we'll know what's gonna happen when it happens and not a second before. To all those who want to see the potential positive side to this investment, I applaud you. Life is for dreaming so lets dream big. For those of you who are trapped in a world of negative karma, I wish the best in life because I know it can not be easy.

Peace to you all!

Get himmmmmmmmm!!!!

[JuryPicker]

I've said it once and I'll say it again. A smart "Pumper" will use the low RV rate talk to motivate sales for Dinars. If someone just slides through and mentions it, I don't think nothing about it really. BUT when someone constantly pushes this issue I start to look at that person a little closer. The pumper will just come out every week or so and get everybody talking about super low RV predictions. Low RV - Low Return. Need 20 Million instead of 10 Million. In my opinion, it's the best way to pump while staying under the radar. Real Smart actually.