Prophetic Dinar

[wadaba]

It’s a whole ‘nuther discussion, and a very interesting one, concerning how much Bible prophecy figures into all this. I for one, began to take stock in Iraq because of prophetic implications. From the many comments and posts I’ve heard and seen, there are quite a few more who are into this Dinar Thing, as I am, with a prophetical viewpoint. I have respect for Merlin and others who put the Biblical perspective into their viewpoints. I’d like more of it. So here’s another one.

There’s no question that Iraq today is clearly postulated in Biblical end-times prophecy. Consider Revelation chapter nine, verse eleven, where arises a “king” (amidst considerable vagaries within the context), whose name is stated very clearly as being "Abaddon" in Hebrew or "Apollyon" in Greek. Much is not clear, but here is clearly Saddam Hussein. The writer knew Hebrew and Greek. He did not know the modern Iraqi Arabic language. So He revealed the meaning of the name “Saddam” as it would have been translated into Hebrew or Greek. In other words, the actual meaning of "Saddam", being “Destroyer”, is in fact, the same meaning as both of the names "Abaddon" in Hebrew, and "Apollyon" in Greek. Since the writer (John) didn’t know the language of the one he was prophetically profiling, he revealed him by the meaning of his name in not one, but two languages that both he and his readers knew, the Hebrew and the Greek. It’s amazing if you think about it. He pre-named "Saddam" precisely - by definition - in the two main languages of his day. I am writing these comments of mine to whoever has ears to hear and eyes to see, not to the prophetically deaf and blind. For this forum, lengthy arguments or apologetics are inappropriate, so you’ll have to accept it, or not, for yourselves in your own minds. However for those who are still reading with an open mind, the profile of this end-time king continues by naming the place where he evolves as “at the great river Euphrates”.

The Euphrates lies mostly in Iraq today; about seventy-five percent of it is within Iraq’s borders. All of this is to say that Iraq is definitely linked in end-times prophecy… the fifth and sixth trumpets of "the seven trumpets" which the Bible iterates as endtime 'trumpet events' or signposts, which lead to the return of Jesus Christ to rule the earth as King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Now I have lost some of my readers there, maybe most, but I will continue just a bit more. This ‘Destroyer’, further identified as one who would cause that the light of the sun would not be seen for the space of three months by reason of the smoke of his destructions (think Kuwait oilfields on fire) is replaced, without a hint of a reason for his demise, by four other ‘angels’ or ‘messengers’ (Bible students know the meanings of the two words are often interchanged). Just as Saddam was a messenger or a signpost of the end-times, these four also rise out of the Euphrates region, of which seventy-five percent, as I said already, is in Iraq. From those identities, or entities - it can only be speculated as to who or what they are - there emerges an army of two hundred million which will cause that a third of mankind will be killed in the war that ensues. Only two national entities could field armies that large: China, or an Arab/Muslim confederation. Either one of those two can boast a population of around 1.2 billion.

But what about Iraqi dinar… what does all that have to do with the dinar speculation in modern Iraq? The sixth trumpet war (that is not Armageddon, by the way) at least begins in the region where there are now still military bases of a hundred thousand or so American soldiers... who are there for no other reason than to protect the vast wealth of Iraq from those who would plunder it. That vast wealth has to be 'brought to the surface' in fullness to attract such a conflagration described as 'the sixth trumpet war' of Revelation Chapter nine, and there lies the Dinar Investment Opportunity. Whether you like my Biblical analysis or not… it’s how I see the Dinar Investment through the eyes of Biblical prophecy. And, in my belief, it’s a significant part of how the propagation of the Gospel of Jesus Christ will be financed unto the ends of the earth, as Jesus himself prophesied it must be, before He returns. Anyone noticed how many dinaritarians seem to be Christians; Christians who are more than just nominally so-called?

There’s my prophetic view to the Iraqi Dinar and the greater investment potential that is Iraq - in a nutshell (if this lengthy treatise may be called that). There is a lot more that could be referenced from the pages of Holy Writ, but here is where I’m closing my nutshell. I hope I will see Biblical viewpoints of some others AS THEY RELATE TO IRAQI DINAR. But let’s stay within the parameters, as Adam has delineated them for this forum. I may have gone further than he would have liked into my Biblical Prophetical Perspective of the Iraqi Dinar Investment. wadaba

Revelation 9:15-16 (KJV)

15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.

[20MillionDinar]

This was an interesting article relating Iraq, our investment, and the Bible. I thought it was a good read. Thank you for the post Wadaba. I hope that we all respect people's views especially when it comes to religious beliefs, we all know religion is one of the hardest things to talk about. If you don't agree simply move on.

[rick25sandi]

[Merlin]

Very Good Post, I wish more would keep on track but I know a lot of people on here are very connected That’s why I stay here as I like to read the plans of users what they are going to do with a small part of there profits to help less fortunate brothers and sisters.

I try not to make it look like I’m preaching But Think about all the implications this is going to have when the RV happens! People need to realize that the whole world is going to benefit from this and the US is at the point of financial collapse and things will get real bad right here at home if this does Not happen and soon! So if it saves are way of life and helps toughs less fortunate, well it would be a very powerful Blessing from the big guy up stares. Some how I feel like we all, the whole planet is on the brink of disaster! But I also think there is a lot of Good and Good People in the world and so we may be given a chance to stop or postpone the “End of time” as it where if enough good people stand up on the side of God and represent a much larger force then evil even thought would show up for this party in Dec. 2012! I just can’t help that this may just make a very big change in the scheme of thing to come and maybe we can change the path we appear to be on. Remember if people are happy and not hungry and putting there kids to bed hungry and have work or a job to go to and just have half a chance, there would be no more riots and unrest and I believe peace will win out and we will have peace in the world! That’s how big I feel this RV is or could be, if we just give it a chance and if the right things happen in time, but that is just my silly little dreams and thoughts on it. At least it gives me hope, a Very powerful tool of human nature and it may just be enough.

I would much rather read points of view even if I may not totally agree its good information and its much better then all the Bashing!

If something looks totally off the wall or looks like they are trying to sell more Dinar, well it's much easier to just skip it and move on, even if you leave a bashing remark the author is still getting attention and more people will read his post to see what all the bashing is about and so, he gets the attention and gets his word out anyway and some innocent reader may get duped into buying more Dinar! So, better to just leave it and move on then give a Pumper credit and draw attention to his add.

But that's only me! Oh and thank you, it's good to know that others feel the same yeah know?

Take Care, Have Fun, & GO GO GO RV!!! God Bless, Merlin..

[vern]

--(In BLACKS-LAW---Religion means-a system of faith and worship usu.involving a belief in a supreme being and usu.containing a moral and ethical code:esp.,such a system recognized and practiced by a particular church,sect,or denomination.In construing the protections under the establishment clause and free excercise clause ,courts have interpreted the term religion quite broadly to include a wide variety of theistic and nontheistic beliefs.)---RELIGION -religious beliefs-good information -

Biblical viewpoints -------------------------------All these words are good- THERE IS NO RELIGION-----What it is --is a RELATIONSHIP with a man called JESUS- If you want religion then you go get it--What GOD,s word is alll about Relationships- That my friend is the only ship that wont sink. I to grew up on that word and i wondered about and finally one day it hit me when i was reading and praying. I was also very sick. I have come thru Renal Failure Blood Clots collapsed veins and 2 stage 4 cancers in 8 years. So when your stuck in bed you read and plead. What happened was this - When reading the word GOD,s word you replace the names of the people with your own and it will not take you long to figure out that it is all about RELATIONSHIP. Thats it. When you come to understand that then you will see taht all things in this world are really for not. However GOD wants you to enjoy all He has for you in CHRIST JESUS. Prophetics is good because GOD tells it and shows you when where and how it will happen - sometimes. But He will be involved. What the word says is true. GOD is GOD and nothing will persuade me from saying otherwise. Yes that is being dogmatic but you stand for truth and the truth will set you free. We put words together to show what we know - So we use a word everyone knows and that is the word Religion. It doesnt hurt but it doenst do justice sometimes when talking about a GOD that never fails.The whols BIBLE hinges on 1(one) verse and that is JOHN 3:16-17-- For GOD so love the world that HE gave His only begotten SON that whoever believes on HIS name shall have everlasting life---- For GOD sent His SON into the world not to condem the world but that the world thru HIM might be SAVED------end of story---- everything else pales compared to this statement. Praise the name of JESUS-----Blessings Vern

Edited March 16, 2011 by vern

[BanG]

+1 good reply vern I'm with you on this one. Peace.

[elmstreet61]

Nice one, thank you.

[hammy]

Dan 11:24 He shall enter peaceably, even upon the FATTEST PLACES of the province; (The word fattest, translatted into english in 1611 came from the Hebrew word (original text) Mashman which means OIL or FERTILE PLACE.)

This may take a few minutes to read, however very interesting. Daniel Chapter 11 starting in v. 18. You cannot read the Bible without the Hebrew Lexicon (original language). Translations were not always correct. That being said, this blows my mind. Words in blue are me commenting NOT SCRIPTURE.

18After this shall he turn his face unto the isles, and shall take many: but a prince for his own behalf shall cause the reproach offered by him to cease; without his own reproach he shall cause it to turn upon him.

A prince will arise, not a secretary of state, or a president, A PRINCE.

19Then he shall turn his face toward the fort of his own land: but he shall stumble and fall, and not be found.

Crown Prince Hassan Bin Talal. Crown Prince of Jordan. Brother of King Hussein. Rejected by his brother to be the next king of Jordan and replaced by his Son. The now current king of Jordan. King Abdullah II

20Then shall stand up in his estate a raiser of taxes in the glory of the kingdom: but within few days he shall be destroyed, neither in anger, nor in battle.

21And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries. Look up Crown Prince Hassan and his accomplishments

22And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.

23And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people. Hebrew word pronounced Meh'at meaning LITTLE WORTH

24He shall enter peaceably even upon the fattest places of the province; and he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers' fathers; he shall scatter among them the prey, and spoil, and riches: yea, and he shall forecast his devices against the strong holds, even for a time. Talked about this verse top of page.

25And he shall stir up his power and his courage against the king of the south with a great army; and the king of the south shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army; but he shall not stand: for they shall forecast devices against him.

26Yea, they that feed of the portion of his meat shall destroy him, and his army shall overflow: and many shall fall down slain.

27And both of these kings' hearts shall be to do mischief, and they shall speak lies at one table; but it shall not prosper: for yet the end shall be at the time appointed.

28Then shall he return into his land with great riches; and his heart shall be against the holy covenant; and he shall do exploits, and return to his own land. Jordan

29At the time appointed he shall return, and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter.

30For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.

31And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

32And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits. Make sure you know the ONE TRUE GOD!

33And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.

34Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.

35And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.

36And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

37Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. Hebrew translation is "gods" NOT God

38But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things. Deceptive.

39Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.

40And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.

41He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon. The glorious land is Israel, Ever wonder why he destroys many countries but these cities he does not destroy? Maybe because his nephew is the King of Jordan.

42He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.

43But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.

44But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.

45And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him. He does not win in the end.

Bottom Line is. He will rule from rebuilt Babylon. There will be an attempt or an accomplishment of a One World Currency. Iraqi Dinar!??? Maybe. When He controls all the Oil in the World, the fattest places of the province, he will have control. All prophesy, all starting to happen, stage is being set. Saudi problems....? This is why I believe the IQD will R.V. Though on my personal page it says " You cannot serve two masters! God and Mammon. That would be Money for those that don't know. Money is good if used for good. It is a tool. Use it responsibly.

[BanG]

Great article Hammy! Well done indeed. +1 as well. I will remain open on this topic and consider all options on the table as well. Peace.

[hammy]

Great post Vern!

[BanG]

Ohh Piss on Vern what does he know anyway? I have spoken to the man in real life and know he is full of Sh$t anyway......ROFL.......How am I doing Vern? Pretty good for the first thing in the morning eh? OK NOW BASH AWAY.

[Doc31]

Nice job!

Thanks for the posts

Doc31

[KramerDinar]

So He revealed the meaning of the name “Saddam” as it would have been translated into Hebrew or Greek. In other words, the actual meaning of "Saddam", being “Destroyer”, is in fact, the same meaning as both of the names "Abaddon" in Hebrew, and "Apollyon" in Greek. Since the writer (John) didn’t know the language of the one he was prophetically profiling, he revealed him by the meaning of his name in not one, but two languages that both he and his readers knew, the Hebrew and the Greek. It’s amazing if you think about it. He pre-named "Saddam" precisely - by definition - in the two main languages of his day.

Yeah except translated in Arabic means "Powerful Ruler"

[hammy]

Just a p.s. I don't know who the prince to come will be or the King that he shall become but Crown Prince Hassan Bin Talal sure fits the scripture. It will be interesting to see though. This man is the president of the Club of Rome (look up the web site) speaks 12 languages, has been known to bring Arabs, Hebrews and Greeks together in agreement. Graduated from Oxford University studying Hebrew. Look him up.

[cw2]

Nice job!

Thanks for the posts

Doc31

I say ditto!!

[roxyredhead]

I love it, when I can read these discussions, from so many different people. Although I do not know any of you personally, I can relate to many. I know what I feel in my heart, and believe to be true, with all that is in me. The one thing that I love the most, is that we are allowed to speak openly about our beliefs. Some may bash, and disagree, but this is their right. I know that there are others here, that have a different belief than my own, but I have no desire to be mean or insulting to what they believe. It is our free will and choice!!!!!! I made a choice in my life, to turn to my Lord and Savior and I have a PEACE, that no man can ever take away from me! This is not to say, that I don't have my troubles in life, because I surely do, but I also have my source of comfort, that I can always find from my Lord. Blessings to All !!!!

[mzmichele]

http://gods-kingdom-ministries.org/weblog/Weblog.cfm

Sounds Familiar...

Edited March 16, 2011 by mzmichele

[Drunken Irish]

I am now dumber for having read this thread......

The bible and god have nothing to do with what is going on in iraq....did god want thousands of iraqis to die.....did he want thousands of american soliders to die...... did god bring down the wt towers? if two christain countries go to war which soliders go to hell for murder? is there a differnce between killing and murder?

Edited March 16, 2011 by Drunken Irish

[mordiaky]

I am now dumber for having read this thread......sheep

Baaahh! Baaahhh!

[FloridaSteve]

Excellent post. As you can see I am new here. But I did notice immediately how many Christians and GOD/Jesus loving comments made on this forum. It is so refreshing to see in today's world where the majority of people are trying to remove GOD from anything and everything. This is music to my eyes. I wish we, meaning body of Christ, would be more vocal in all aspects of daily living. I cant explain why this investment seems right. It just does. Thanks again.

[mordiaky]

I am now dumber for having read this thread......

The bible and god have nothing to do with what is going on in iraq....did god want thousands of iraqis to die.....did he want thousands of american soliders to die...... did god bring down the wt towers? if two christain countries go to war which soliders go to hell for murder? is there a differnce between killing and murder?

I understand how hard it is to fathom the idea of God destroying people, Nations, Families. but he does and still will. If you took your time and read the bible you will see God has Lead armies to take over nations, took out whole cities, and even the whole world by the flood, you think all them people died during them times didn't feel the same way you did? sure they did. but its still the truth if you like it or not.

[truthbesold]

lol, this explains a lot.. Typical bible mentality if something is going on you do not understand it must be "Gods" doing..

[Drunken Irish]

I understand how hard it is to fathom the idea of God destroying people, Nations, Families. but he does and still will. If you took your time and read the bible you will see God has Lead armies to take over nations, took out whole cities, and even the whole world by the flood, you think all them people died during them times didn't feel the same way you did? sure they did. but its still the truth if you like it or not.

I have read the bible cover to cover. I went to church 3 times a week for 18 years.

I know what I'm talking about do you?

By the way I noticed you didn't even attempt to answer all the questions

Is it the truth that the world was populated thru incest twice? Is it true that all jews, muslims and non born again catholics are going to burn in hell for eternity?

Is it true that god destroyed sodom because they like to party? Is NYC next or maybe Vegas?

your god is a vengeful god not my type of dude

Edited March 16, 2011 by Drunken Irish

[Robdel]

It’s a whole ‘nuther discussion, and a very interesting one, concerning how much Bible prophecy figures into all this. I for one, began to take stock in Iraq because of prophetic implications. From the many comments and posts I’ve heard and seen, there are quite a few more who are into this Dinar Thing, as I am, with a prophetical viewpoint. I have respect for Merlin and others who put the Biblical perspective into their viewpoints. I’d like more of it. So here’s another one.

There’s no question that Iraq today is clearly postulated in Biblical end-times prophecy. Consider Revelation chapter nine, verse eleven, where arises a “king” (amidst considerable vagaries within the context), whose name is stated very clearly as being "Abaddon" in Hebrew or "Apollyon" in Greek. Much is not clear, but here is clearly Saddam Hussein. The writer knew Hebrew and Greek. He did not know the modern Iraqi Arabic language. So He revealed the meaning of the name “Saddam” as it would have been translated into Hebrew or Greek. In other words, the actual meaning of "Saddam", being “Destroyer”, is in fact, the same meaning as both of the names "Abaddon" in Hebrew, and "Apollyon" in Greek. Since the writer (John) didn’t know the language of the one he was prophetically profiling, he revealed him by the meaning of his name in not one, but two languages that both he and his readers knew, the Hebrew and the Greek. It’s amazing if you think about it. He pre-named "Saddam" precisely - by definition - in the two main languages of his day. I am writing these comments of mine to whoever has ears to hear and eyes to see, not to the prophetically deaf and blind. For this forum, lengthy arguments or apologetics are inappropriate, so you’ll have to accept it, or not, for yourselves in your own minds. However for those who are still reading with an open mind, the profile of this end-time king continues by naming the place where he evolves as “at the great river Euphrates”.

The Euphrates lies mostly in Iraq today; about seventy-five percent of it is within Iraq’s borders. All of this is to say that Iraq is definitely linked in end-times prophecy… the fifth and sixth trumpets of "the seven trumpets" which the Bible iterates as endtime 'trumpet events' or signposts, which lead to the return of Jesus Christ to rule the earth as King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Now I have lost some of my readers there, maybe most, but I will continue just a bit more. This ‘Destroyer’, further identified as one who would cause that the light of the sun would not be seen for the space of three months by reason of the smoke of his destructions (think Kuwait oilfields on fire) is replaced, without a hint of a reason for his demise, by four other ‘angels’ or ‘messengers’ (Bible students know the meanings of the two words are often interchanged). Just as Saddam was a messenger or a signpost of the end-times, these four also rise out of the Euphrates region, of which seventy-five percent, as I said already, is in Iraq. From those identities, or entities - it can only be speculated as to who or what they are - there emerges an army of two hundred million which will cause that a third of mankind will be killed in the war that ensues. Only two national entities could field armies that large: China, or an Arab/Muslim confederation. Either one of those two can boast a population of around 1.2 billion.

But what about Iraqi dinar… what does all that have to do with the dinar speculation in modern Iraq? The sixth trumpet war (that is not Armageddon, by the way) at least begins in the region where there are now still military bases of a hundred thousand or so American soldiers... who are there for no other reason than to protect the vast wealth of Iraq from those who would plunder it. That vast wealth has to be 'brought to the surface' in fullness to attract such a conflagration described as 'the sixth trumpet war' of Revelation Chapter nine, and there lies the Dinar Investment Opportunity. Whether you like my Biblical analysis or not… it’s how I see the Dinar Investment through the eyes of Biblical prophecy. And, in my belief, it’s a significant part of how the propagation of the Gospel of Jesus Christ will be financed unto the ends of the earth, as Jesus himself prophesied it must be, before He returns. Anyone noticed how many dinaritarians seem to be Christians; Christians who are more than just nominally so-called?

There’s my prophetic view to the Iraqi Dinar and the greater investment potential that is Iraq - in a nutshell (if this lengthy treatise may be called that). There is a lot more that could be referenced from the pages of Holy Writ, but here is where I’m closing my nutshell. I hope I will see Biblical viewpoints of some others AS THEY RELATE TO IRAQI DINAR. But let’s stay within the parameters, as Adam has delineated them for this forum. I may have gone further than he would have liked into my Biblical Prophetical Perspective of the Iraqi Dinar Investment. wadaba

Revelation 9:15-16 (KJV)

15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.

Very good observation. I have also found our dinar investment in Rev. 18:3 the later part of this verse says " and the merchants of the earth were made rich through the abundance of her delicacies" No other time in the world history has Babylon made the world merchants rich. Furthermore, I submit that the delicacies mentioned have to be dinars or Oil or both. The one major point I offer is to heed the warning God gives us when He says in the next chapter, "come out of her my people...." I also believe a major gospel of Jesus Christ explosion is going to occur there in the middle east and Iraq. We must be prepared to be a part of that reaping of souls.

God bless you,

RD

[jphillips]

This is a great thread! Wadaba - the insights you provided were thought provoking and intriguing. I for one would love to go a little deeper into the conversation. Vern - Your testimony and courage are inspiring to me.

As for our troops - John 15:13

"Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends." God bless all of you and thank you for what you do for me and my family every day.

For the rest of us as we face the world, we do it together day by day...and yes, there is a purpose, a greater calling than we understand.

Romans 8:28

"And we know that God causes everything to work together for the good of those who love God and are called according to his purpose for them."

And a reminder to be strong and unwavering in our faith...

Romans 8:31

"If God is for us, who can ever be against us?"

Thank you one and all for making this a better day for me. Hopefully I can someday return the favor.