Someone explain to me why crashing the dollar is a good thing...

[BANE]

The U.S. is printing money like crazy. They KNOW the value is going down and it will crash eventually. The question is why? Why is it good that the dollar collapses? Do they REALLY want the U.S. to be like the middle East? I don't get it. I have heard it was Bush's plan to RV the Dinar and SAVE the economy....It seems like printing the money is trying to do the opposite. Who benefits with the U.S. collapse?

Edited February 11, 2011 by BANE

[Workinchump]

$1usd worth nothing.. sell some oil/gold Get alot fo USD -- then pay off China...

Then bring the USD back up.. then.. we win.

[BanG]

One world order. One world government, currency, religion. JMO.

[breeze101]

One world order. One world government, currency, religion. JMO.

I'm getting on board with this too. not that I like it, but I do believe it's happening.

[BANE]

But what is the purpose of it? When it RV's the dollar will be worthless right? How are you americans going to trade for another currency? I thought I would go back to the states and buy a new house with swimming pool etc. If the dollar is really going to be worthless that obviously cannot be done now. I don't get it.

[kingfish]

Ask the Obamination and mr Soros....

[BANE]

I choose to believe in this though...

http://adask.wordpress.com/2011/02/08/conspiracy-theory-de-jure/

This is a more positive outcome. The NWO stuff is just too hard to think about.

[keepmwlknfny]

The U.S. is printing money like crazy. They KNOW the value is going down and it will crash eventually. The question is why? Why is it good that the dollar collapses? Do they REALLY want the U.S. to be like the middle East? I don't get it. I have heard it was Bush's plan to RV the Dinar and SAVE the economy....It seems like printing the money is trying to do the opposite. Who benefits with the U.S. collapse?

Its not good....its horrible....except for us holding dinar because it brings the exchange rate closer.....so I guess for the people involved in this investment its good because we will be making more money off the gap changes.....but overall its horrible for the US....purchasing power goes down and we end up like other countries where the citizens dont make crap and cant buy crap with it

[Slaydadea]

One world order. One world government, currency, religion. JMO.

I'm with you on this one BanG. Egypt is only the beginning. Israel beginning to flex their muscle. Unrest in Iraq over 8 years of broken promises and corruption. Washington and Europe are both scared to death. Remember that "Change" word. Well, it's happening.

[Workinchump]

Obama said allot of change!

[Slaydadea]

I choose to believe in this though...

http://adask.wordpre...theory-de-jure/

This is a more positive outcome. The NWO stuff is just too hard to think about.

Your're right, NWO is hard to fathom. It's more and more in the news everyday though. Posted in Middle East and Beck did a show on it just tonight.

[Kenneth]

The U.S. is printing money like crazy. They KNOW the value is going down and it will crash eventually. The question is why? Why is it good that the dollar collapses? Do they REALLY want the U.S. to be like the middle East? I don't get it. I have heard it was Bush's plan to RV the Dinar and SAVE the economy....It seems like printing the money is trying to do the opposite. Who benefits with the U.S. collapse?

Have you heard of Cloward and Pivon; they were radicals from the 60's that had a plan to collapse the US government so they could rise to power.

This article sums it all up, better than I could:

Rahm Emanuel cynically said, "You never want a crisis to go to waste." It is now becoming clear that the crisis he was referring to is Barack Obama's presidency.

Obama is no fool. He is not incompetent. To the contrary, he is brilliant. He knows exactly what he's doing. He is purposely overwhelming the U.S. economy to create systemic failure, economic crisis and social chaos -- thereby destroying capitalism and our country from within.Â

Barack Obama is my college classmate (Columbia University, class of '83). As Glenn Beck correctly predicted from day one, Obama is following the plan of Cloward & Piven, two professors at Columbia University. They outlined a plan to socialize America by overwhelming the system with government spending and entitlement demands. Add up the clues below. Taken individually they're alarming. Taken as a whole, it is a brilliant, Machiavellian game plan to turn the United States into a socialist/Marxist state with a permanent majority that desperately needs government for survival ... and can be counted on to always vote for bigger government. Why not? They have no responsibility to pay for it.

-- Universal health care. The health care bill had very little to do with health care. It had everything to do with unionizing millions of hospital and health care workers, as well as adding 15,000 to 20,000 new IRS agents (who will join government employee unions). Obama doesn't care that giving free health care to 30 million Americans will add trillions to the national debt. What he does care about is that it cements the dependence of those 30 million voters to Democrats and big government. Who but a socialist revolutionary would pass this reckless spending bill in the middle of a depression?

-- Cap and trade. Like health care legislation having nothing to do with health care, cap and trade has nothing to do with global warming. It has everything to do with redistribution of income, government control of the economy and a criminal payoff to Obama's biggest contributors. Those powerful and wealthy unions and contributors (like GE, which owns NBC, MSNBC and CNBC) can then be counted on to support everything Obama wants. They will kick-back hundreds of millions of dollars in contributions to Obama and the Democratic Party to keep them in power. The bonus is that all the new taxes on Americans with bigger cars, bigger homes and businesses helps Obama "spread the wealth around."

-- Make Puerto Rico a state. Why? Who's asking for a 51st state? Who's asking for millions of new welfare recipients and government entitlement addicts in the middle of a depression? Certainly not American taxpayers. But this has been Obama's plan all along. His goal is to add two new Democrat senators, five Democrat congressman and a million loyal Democratic voters who are dependent on big government.

-- Legalize 12 million illegal immigrants. Just giving these 12 million potential new citizens free health care alone could overwhelm the system and bankrupt America. But it adds 12 million reliable new Democrat voters who can be counted on to support big government. Add another few trillion dollars in welfare, aid to dependent children, food stamps, free medical, education, tax credits for the poor, and eventually Social Security.

-- Stimulus and bailouts. Where did all that money go? It went to Democrat contributors, organizations (ACORN), and unions -- including billions of dollars to save or create jobs of government employees across the country. It went to save GM and Chrysler so that their employees could keep paying union dues. It went to AIG so that Goldman Sachs could be bailed out (after giving Obama almost $1 million in contributions). A staggering $125 billion went to teachers (thereby protecting their union dues). All those public employees will vote loyally Democrat to protect their bloated salaries and pensions that are bankrupting America. The country goes broke, future generations face a bleak future, but Obama, the Democrat Party, government, and the unions grow more powerful. The ends justify the means.

-- Raise taxes on small business owners, high-income earners, and job creators. Put the entire burden on only the top 20 percent of taxpayers, redistribute the income, punish success, and reward those who did nothing to deserve it (except vote for Obama). Reagan wanted to dramatically cut taxes in order to starve the government. Obama wants to dramatically raise taxes to starve his political opposition.

With the acts outlined above, Obama and his regime have created a vast and rapidly expanding constituency of voters dependent on big government; a vast privileged class of public employees who work for big government; and a government dedicated to destroying capitalism and installing themselves as socialist rulers by overwhelming the system.

Add it up and you've got the perfect Marxist scheme -- all devised by my Columbia University college classmate Barack Obama.

Â

Wayne Allyn Root was the 2008 Libertarian Party vice presidential nominee and serves on the Libertarian National Committee.

http://www.lvrj.com/opinion/obama-s-agenda--overwhelm-the-system-95716764.html

[jswilson]

The U.S. is printing money like crazy. They KNOW the value is going down and it will crash eventually. The question is why? Why is it good that the dollar collapses? Do they REALLY want the U.S. to be like the middle East? I don't get it. I have heard it was Bush's plan to RV the Dinar and SAVE the economy....It seems like printing the money is trying to do the opposite. Who benefits with the U.S. collapse?

To screw all of us poor folks!!!!

[jcampjr]

The good part is we collapse the dollar which is a fed reserve note. Then the federal reserve will be ousted and a new currency will be printed by the US treasury which will be backed by our assets (oil, gas, silver, gold, etc.) The end of the federal reserve would be a blessing when you look at how they have turned our economy into a rich get richer poor get poorer society. The best part is the new currencies world wide will have to be backed by assets which makes our dinar investment great because of all the oil. Each Country would still have its own currency, but instead of the Banks (Fed Reserve) controlling the printing of paper money, a country could only print the worth of its assets. Now it also could be that the motivation behind this new currency is that China will zero out all countries debt and start all over with the new currency? The first part sounds good to me, but the last part I will beleive it when I see it. thats what I think anyways.

[Slaydadea]

My question is, "Where did O come from? He just popped up out of the middle of nowhere, no experience but a smooth talker and very good speaker in front of crowds. This guy had to be a plant from folks behind the curtain. Popped up like Jimmie Carter, what was that all about? Well, I've come to realize what it's all about and it's not looking real good for the home team.

BTY: Thanks Kenneth!

Edited February 11, 2011 by Slaydadea

[freaky frank]

oy vey......

[BANE]

Have you heard of Cloward and Pivon; they were radicals from the 60's that had a plan to collapse the US government so they could rise to power.

This article sums it all up, better than I could:

Rahm Emanuel cynically said, "You never want a crisis to go to waste." It is now becoming clear that the crisis he was referring to is Barack Obama's presidency.

Obama is no fool. He is not incompetent. To the contrary, he is brilliant. He knows exactly what he's doing. He is purposely overwhelming the U.S. economy to create systemic failure, economic crisis and social chaos -- thereby destroying capitalism and our country from within.Â

Barack Obama is my college classmate (Columbia University, class of '83). As Glenn Beck correctly predicted from day one, Obama is following the plan of Cloward & Piven, two professors at Columbia University. They outlined a plan to socialize America by overwhelming the system with government spending and entitlement demands. Add up the clues below. Taken individually they're alarming. Taken as a whole, it is a brilliant, Machiavellian game plan to turn the United States into a socialist/Marxist state with a permanent majority that desperately needs government for survival ... and can be counted on to always vote for bigger government. Why not? They have no responsibility to pay for it.

-- Universal health care. The health care bill had very little to do with health care. It had everything to do with unionizing millions of hospital and health care workers, as well as adding 15,000 to 20,000 new IRS agents (who will join government employee unions). Obama doesn't care that giving free health care to 30 million Americans will add trillions to the national debt. What he does care about is that it cements the dependence of those 30 million voters to Democrats and big government. Who but a socialist revolutionary would pass this reckless spending bill in the middle of a depression?

-- Cap and trade. Like health care legislation having nothing to do with health care, cap and trade has nothing to do with global warming. It has everything to do with redistribution of income, government control of the economy and a criminal payoff to Obama's biggest contributors. Those powerful and wealthy unions and contributors (like GE, which owns NBC, MSNBC and CNBC) can then be counted on to support everything Obama wants. They will kick-back hundreds of millions of dollars in contributions to Obama and the Democratic Party to keep them in power. The bonus is that all the new taxes on Americans with bigger cars, bigger homes and businesses helps Obama "spread the wealth around."

-- Make Puerto Rico a state. Why? Who's asking for a 51st state? Who's asking for millions of new welfare recipients and government entitlement addicts in the middle of a depression? Certainly not American taxpayers. But this has been Obama's plan all along. His goal is to add two new Democrat senators, five Democrat congressman and a million loyal Democratic voters who are dependent on big government.

-- Legalize 12 million illegal immigrants. Just giving these 12 million potential new citizens free health care alone could overwhelm the system and bankrupt America. But it adds 12 million reliable new Democrat voters who can be counted on to support big government. Add another few trillion dollars in welfare, aid to dependent children, food stamps, free medical, education, tax credits for the poor, and eventually Social Security.

-- Stimulus and bailouts. Where did all that money go? It went to Democrat contributors, organizations (ACORN), and unions -- including billions of dollars to save or create jobs of government employees across the country. It went to save GM and Chrysler so that their employees could keep paying union dues. It went to AIG so that Goldman Sachs could be bailed out (after giving Obama almost $1 million in contributions). A staggering $125 billion went to teachers (thereby protecting their union dues). All those public employees will vote loyally Democrat to protect their bloated salaries and pensions that are bankrupting America. The country goes broke, future generations face a bleak future, but Obama, the Democrat Party, government, and the unions grow more powerful. The ends justify the means.

-- Raise taxes on small business owners, high-income earners, and job creators. Put the entire burden on only the top 20 percent of taxpayers, redistribute the income, punish success, and reward those who did nothing to deserve it (except vote for Obama). Reagan wanted to dramatically cut taxes in order to starve the government. Obama wants to dramatically raise taxes to starve his political opposition.

With the acts outlined above, Obama and his regime have created a vast and rapidly expanding constituency of voters dependent on big government; a vast privileged class of public employees who work for big government; and a government dedicated to destroying capitalism and installing themselves as socialist rulers by overwhelming the system.

Add it up and you've got the perfect Marxist scheme -- all devised by my Columbia University college classmate Barack Obama.

Â

Wayne Allyn Root was the 2008 Libertarian Party vice presidential nominee and serves on the Libertarian National Committee.

http://www.lvrj.com/opinion/obama-s-agenda--overwhelm-the-system-95716764.html

But again it goes back to my point....If they have billions of dollars and the dollar is NOT WORTH ANYTHING....WHAT have they gained? If their goal is to make the U.S. poor, the same thing will happen with Egypt right? The U.S people will uprise and remove them from power. So I ask again...WHAT is it they are trying to gain?

Edited February 11, 2011 by BANE

[Kenneth]

My question is, "Where did O come from? He just popped up out of the middle of nowhere, no experience but a smooth talker and very good speaker in front of crowds. This guy had to be a plant from folks behind the curtain. Popped up like Jimmie Carter, what was that all about? Well, I've come to realize what it's all about and it's not looking real good for the home team.

BTY: Thanks Kenneth!

Did you know that Barack Obama was affiliated with a leading national socialist party? Barack Obama didn’t include in his 2008 resume that he entered politics in the mid-1990s endorsed by Chicago’s leading socialists. This just keeps getting better and better. Barack Obama was an active participant in the 1990s, and a direct political beneficiary, of the Chicago New Party and, importantly, the Chicago DSA, a group of socialists affiliated with the Democratic Socialists of America.

1. Barack Obama attended and participated in meetings of the Chicago New Party and the Chicago DSA, the local affiliate of the Democratic Socialists of America.

2. Barack Obama sought the endorsement of the Chicago DSA which required rigorous scrutiny by the party’s Political Committee as well as Mr. Obama’s signature on a contract promising “a visible and active relationship with the NP.”

3. Barack Obama actively used the endorsement from the Chicago DSA.

4. Barack Obama won his DSA-endorsed and -backed campaign to secure his seat in the Illinois State Senate.

5. Barack Obama continued his involvement with the Chicago DSA — including directly asking the group to join “his task forces on Voter Education and Voter Registration” — and received their endorsements in subsequent campaigns.

Obama’s participation in and endorsement from the Chicago New Party and Chicago DSA, the local affiliate of the Democratic Socialists of America (which is the U.S. affiliate of the Socialist International) is quite clear:

1. According to the write-up on the July 1995 meeting of Chicago DSA and New Party membership, Barack Obama was one of about 50 people attending out of their then-300 member local group. Other documents below will demonstrate Barack Obama attended and participated in subsequent meetings.

2. The New Party rigorously evaluated its candidate endorsements and claimed “a winning ratio of 77 of 110 elections.” This was no passive endorsement.

Candidates must be approved via a NP political committee. Once approved, candidates must sign a contract with the NP. The contract mandates that they must have a visible and active relationship with the NP.—New Ground

3. Candidate Barack Obama participated as a panelist at the DSA-sponsored Town Meeting on February 25, 1996, entitled “Employment and Survival in Urban America”. As reported in New Ground,

Barack Obama observed that Martin Luther King’s March on Washington in the 1960s wasn’t simply about civil rights but demanded jobs as well. Now the issue is again coming to the front, but he wished the issue was on the Democratic agenda not just on Buchanan’s.

One of the themes that has emerged in Barack Obama’s campaign is “what does it take to create productive communities”, not just consumptive communities. It is an issue that joins some of the best instincts of the conservatives with the better instincts of the left. He felt the state government has three constructive roles to play.

The first is “human capital development”. By this he meant public education, welfare reform, and a “workforce preparation strategy”. Public education requires equality in funding. It’s not that money is the only solution to public education’s problems but it’s a start toward a solution. The current proposals for welfare reform are intended to eliminate welfare but it’s also true that the status quo is not tenable. A true welfare system would provide for medical care, child care and job training. While Barack Obama did not use this term, it sounded very much like the “social wage” approach used by many social democratic labor parties. By “workforce preparation strategy”, Barack Obama simply meant a coordinated, purposeful program of job training instead of the ad hoc, fragmented approach used by the State of Illinois today.

The state government can also play a role in redistribution, the allocation of wages and jobs. As Barack Obama noted, when someone gets paid $10 million to eliminate 4,000 jobs, the voters in his district know this is an issue of power not economics. The government can use as tools labor law reform, public works and contracts.

4. Obama subsequently secured his endorsement from the Chicago DSA

The local Democratic Socialists of America affiliate issued their Chicago DSA Endorsements in the March 19th Primary Election:

Barack Obama is running to gain the Democratic ballot line for Illinois Senate 13th District. The 13th District is Alice Palmer’s old district, encompassing parts of Hyde Park and South Shore.

Mr. Obama graduated from Columbia University and promptly went into community organizing for the Developing Communities Project in Roseland and Altgeld Gardens on the far south side of Chicago. He went on to Harvard University, where he was editor of the Harvard Law Review. He graduated with a law degree. In 1992, he was Director of Illinois Project Vote, a voter registration campaign that made Carol Moseley Braun’s election to the U.S. Senate much easier than it would have been. At present, he practices law in Judson Miner’s law firm and is President of the board of the Annenberg Challenge Grant which is distributing some $50 million in grants to public school reform efforts.

What best characterizes Barack Obama is a quote from an article in Illinois Issues, a retrospective look at his experience as a community organizer while he was completing his degree at Harvard:

“… community organizations and organizers are hampered by their own dogmas about the style and substance of organizing. Most practice … a ‘consumer advocacy’ approach, with a focus on wrestling services and resources from outside powers that be. Few are thinking of harnessing the internal productive capacities, both in terms of money and people, that already exist in communities.” (Illinois issues, September, 1988)

Luckily, Mr. Obama does not have any opposition in the primary. His opponents have all dropped out or were ruled off the ballot.

5. Barack Obama Continued Attending Membership Meetings of the Chicago DSA New Party

Obama attended membership meeting on April 11, 1996 where he expressed his gratitude for their support. The report shared that “Barack Obama, victor in the 13th State Senate District, encouraged NPers to join in his task forces on Voter Education and Voter Registration.”

6. Obama won his election with the help of the Chicago DSA’s New Party.

7. Chicago DSA notes in 1998 that Barack Obama eulogized Saul Mendelson, co-founder of the Debs Dinner.

8. In the fall of 1998, Chicago DSA’s New Ground‘s editor offered nomination of Barack Obama for reelection.

9. When Barack Obama challenged Bobby Rush for the 1st Congressional District in 2000, the Chicago DSA opted to recommend both:

For Congressman of the 1st Congressional District, the Executive Committee was faced with two very good candidates. As we are not making endorsements but merely recommendations, we felt no conflict in recommending both Bobby Rush and Barack Obama.

Barak Obama is serving only his second term in the Illinois State Senate so he might be fairly charged with ambition, but the same might have be said of Bobby Rush when he ran against Congressman Charles Hayes. Obama also has put in time at the grass roots, working for five years as a community organizer in Harlem and in Chicago. When Obama participated in a 1996 UofC YDS Townhall Meeting on Economic Insecurity, much of what he had to say was well within the mainstream of European social democracy.

Conclusion

Barack Obama has a long-term and sustained relationship with the Chicago DSA, an affiliate of the Democratic Socialists of America, and with the Chicago New Party. He participated in multiple membership meetings and in DSA-sponsored events, repeatedly sought their endorsement. This does not answer all questions about Barack Obama’s past relationships with multiple socialist groups. What the media need to find out is this: Has Barack Obama broken his ties with them> If so, when and why?

http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/07/obama-is-hiding-a-radical-past/

[salespro]

$1usd worth nothing.. sell some oil/gold Get alot fo USD -- then pay off China...

Then bring the USD back up.. then.. we win.

Now....theres a novel idea...............

[Slaydadea]

Bane, I feel like I'm backing myself into a corner here. It's about the Power. They have the money already. Once the economic system has collapsed and a new currency is established, they have it all, money and power. At least that's how the Conspiracy types see it. When IQD revalues, buy your house and be happy in it. If this sort of thing happens, we will probably not see it in our lifetimes. Either way, you and I can't change it alone. It's the Grandkids I worry about. Remember, everything is speculation and theory until it happens. Enjoy your new place!

Edited February 12, 2011 by Slaydadea

[blueskygal]

The U.S. is printing money like crazy. They KNOW the value is going down and it will crash eventually. The question is why? Why is it good that the dollar collapses? Do they REALLY want the U.S. to be like the middle East? I don't get it. I have heard it was Bush's plan to RV the Dinar and SAVE the economy....It seems like printing the money is trying to do the opposite. Who benefits with the U.S. collapse?

All I can say is listen to this call with Lindsey Williams...Ive said it here many times...he gets first hand intel from the illuminati and reports the truth...Oil is going to 150-200 barrel...gas $4-5 in the next 9-12 months...this collapse including all of the adjustable and derivitave rate mortgages was ENGINEERED....before they take over...they bankrupt you...gain ownership and then build you back up to make them more money...this has been the modus operandi since the beginning of time with money...read the ascent of money by nigel ferguson (boring but good) or better yet just hear what lindsey has to say at progressiveradionetwork truth and freedom show from 3pm today...also talks about dinar and all this global settlement stuff - have a good weekend all and GO SUNDAY RV (Ill take Monday, Tuesday, Wed....just go already!!!)

WHO BENEFITS???? THE BANKSTERS...THE MONEY CHANGERS...THE 13 RICHEST families who if one of them came forward coudl feed the entire world and give each individual a one quarter acre piece of land - all 6 billion of us could live there and grow our own food on our own 1/4 acre...but their relentless quest for power and GREED creates the savage beast within...there is no human in that equation...

[BANE]

Blueskygal, Then why allow American citizens to own Dinar if their goal is to bankrupt us?

[Slaydadea]

Did you know that Barack Obama was affiliated with a leading national socialist party? Barack Obama didn’t include in his 2008 resume that he entered politics in the mid-1990s endorsed by Chicago’s leading socialists. This just keeps getting better and better. Barack Obama was an active participant in the 1990s, and a direct political beneficiary, of the Chicago New Party and, importantly, the Chicago DSA, a group of socialists affiliated with the Democratic Socialists of America.

1. Barack Obama attended and participated in meetings of the Chicago New Party and the Chicago DSA, the local affiliate of the Democratic Socialists of America.

2. Barack Obama sought the endorsement of the Chicago DSA which required rigorous scrutiny by the party’s Political Committee as well as Mr. Obama’s signature on a contract promising “a visible and active relationship with the NP.”

3. Barack Obama actively used the endorsement from the Chicago DSA.

4. Barack Obama won his DSA-endorsed and -backed campaign to secure his seat in the Illinois State Senate.

5. Barack Obama continued his involvement with the Chicago DSA — including directly asking the group to join “his task forces on Voter Education and Voter Registration” — and received their endorsements in subsequent campaigns.

Obama’s participation in and endorsement from the Chicago New Party and Chicago DSA, the local affiliate of the Democratic Socialists of America (which is the U.S. affiliate of the Socialist International) is quite clear:

1. According to the write-up on the July 1995 meeting of Chicago DSA and New Party membership, Barack Obama was one of about 50 people attending out of their then-300 member local group. Other documents below will demonstrate Barack Obama attended and participated in subsequent meetings.

2. The New Party rigorously evaluated its candidate endorsements and claimed “a winning ratio of 77 of 110 elections.” This was no passive endorsement.

Candidates must be approved via a NP political committee. Once approved, candidates must sign a contract with the NP. The contract mandates that they must have a visible and active relationship with the NP.—New Ground

3. Candidate Barack Obama participated as a panelist at the DSA-sponsored Town Meeting on February 25, 1996, entitled “Employment and Survival in Urban America”. As reported in New Ground,

Barack Obama observed that Martin Luther King’s March on Washington in the 1960s wasn’t simply about civil rights but demanded jobs as well. Now the issue is again coming to the front, but he wished the issue was on the Democratic agenda not just on Buchanan’s.

One of the themes that has emerged in Barack Obama’s campaign is “what does it take to create productive communities”, not just consumptive communities. It is an issue that joins some of the best instincts of the conservatives with the better instincts of the left. He felt the state government has three constructive roles to play.

The first is “human capital development”. By this he meant public education, welfare reform, and a “workforce preparation strategy”. Public education requires equality in funding. It’s not that money is the only solution to public education’s problems but it’s a start toward a solution. The current proposals for welfare reform are intended to eliminate welfare but it’s also true that the status quo is not tenable. A true welfare system would provide for medical care, child care and job training. While Barack Obama did not use this term, it sounded very much like the “social wage” approach used by many social democratic labor parties. By “workforce preparation strategy”, Barack Obama simply meant a coordinated, purposeful program of job training instead of the ad hoc, fragmented approach used by the State of Illinois today.

The state government can also play a role in redistribution, the allocation of wages and jobs. As Barack Obama noted, when someone gets paid $10 million to eliminate 4,000 jobs, the voters in his district know this is an issue of power not economics. The government can use as tools labor law reform, public works and contracts.

4. Obama subsequently secured his endorsement from the Chicago DSA

The local Democratic Socialists of America affiliate issued their Chicago DSA Endorsements in the March 19th Primary Election:

Barack Obama is running to gain the Democratic ballot line for Illinois Senate 13th District. The 13th District is Alice Palmer’s old district, encompassing parts of Hyde Park and South Shore.

Mr. Obama graduated from Columbia University and promptly went into community organizing for the Developing Communities Project in Roseland and Altgeld Gardens on the far south side of Chicago. He went on to Harvard University, where he was editor of the Harvard Law Review. He graduated with a law degree. In 1992, he was Director of Illinois Project Vote, a voter registration campaign that made Carol Moseley Braun’s election to the U.S. Senate much easier than it would have been. At present, he practices law in Judson Miner’s law firm and is President of the board of the Annenberg Challenge Grant which is distributing some $50 million in grants to public school reform efforts.

What best characterizes Barack Obama is a quote from an article in Illinois Issues, a retrospective look at his experience as a community organizer while he was completing his degree at Harvard:

“… community organizations and organizers are hampered by their own dogmas about the style and substance of organizing. Most practice … a ‘consumer advocacy’ approach, with a focus on wrestling services and resources from outside powers that be. Few are thinking of harnessing the internal productive capacities, both in terms of money and people, that already exist in communities.” (Illinois issues, September, 1988)

Luckily, Mr. Obama does not have any opposition in the primary. His opponents have all dropped out or were ruled off the ballot.

5. Barack Obama Continued Attending Membership Meetings of the Chicago DSA New Party

Obama attended membership meeting on April 11, 1996 where he expressed his gratitude for their support. The report shared that “Barack Obama, victor in the 13th State Senate District, encouraged NPers to join in his task forces on Voter Education and Voter Registration.”

6. Obama won his election with the help of the Chicago DSA’s New Party.

7. Chicago DSA notes in 1998 that Barack Obama eulogized Saul Mendelson, co-founder of the Debs Dinner.

8. In the fall of 1998, Chicago DSA’s New Ground‘s editor offered nomination of Barack Obama for reelection.

9. When Barack Obama challenged Bobby Rush for the 1st Congressional District in 2000, the Chicago DSA opted to recommend both:

For Congressman of the 1st Congressional District, the Executive Committee was faced with two very good candidates. As we are not making endorsements but merely recommendations, we felt no conflict in recommending both Bobby Rush and Barack Obama.

Barak Obama is serving only his second term in the Illinois State Senate so he might be fairly charged with ambition, but the same might have be said of Bobby Rush when he ran against Congressman Charles Hayes. Obama also has put in time at the grass roots, working for five years as a community organizer in Harlem and in Chicago. When Obama participated in a 1996 UofC YDS Townhall Meeting on Economic Insecurity, much of what he had to say was well within the mainstream of European social democracy.

Conclusion

Barack Obama has a long-term and sustained relationship with the Chicago DSA, an affiliate of the Democratic Socialists of America, and with the Chicago New Party. He participated in multiple membership meetings and in DSA-sponsored events, repeatedly sought their endorsement. This does not answer all questions about Barack Obama’s past relationships with multiple socialist groups. What the media need to find out is this: Has Barack Obama broken his ties with them> If so, when and why?

http://www.noquarter...a-radical-past/

I've seen similar material Kenneth, it is very informative. Thank you. I'm going to back out of this thread peacefully for now. I could go all night. Obviously, you've seen "Money Man" Trump in the news lately. Overwhelming support already. Again, comparing Trump to Carter, Rich man Poor man, Who's best interest is he acting in? His or ours. I'm trying to stay as close to BanG's post a possible. IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY! Kenneth and BanG, great talking to you both!

[blueskygal]

Blueskygal, Then why allow American citizens to own Dinar if their goal is to bankrupt us?

They live by a rule...they have to tell you before they do something...they hide this in movies typically. Since we know they are going to destroy the dollar and we know that the euro is goign down...the dinar makes sense...Bush may in fact have had a plan to allow us to save the dollar - who knows what the original EO (executive order) intent was about..does not matter anymore...we all need to open our eyes, READ and listen and prepare...paper assets are very risky and volatile (stocks bonds FRNs (federal reserve notes) none of it is worth the paper its printed on unless you cash out before its worthless...

Thanks for playing on our chessboard! Sucker...this is how they play the game...now lets kick their pawny asses with a king. zzzzzzzzz GAME OVER...

problem is there are not enough of us to do the job to stand up and turn our backs...I was fat dumb and happy - had a glorious life with McMansion, Big car, everything I could ask for....all built on the lies of the financial industry...I cant sell that lie anymore - I went down the rabbit hole and cannot turn back to sell lies...problem is most people (due to irrational investor psyche behavoir) do not listen when they should...for example "get out of paper!!! get into gold and silver and hard assets right away" I am looked at b/c the market is so high, people feel like they are missing the train - get me in get me in they scream!!! Im missing the train! You arent making me enough money!...Investor psychology is the exact opposite of what you need to do.. If you feel like you should get out - stay in If you feel like you should stay in, GET OUT, etc, etc. for MOST investors this is true.

Dont believe me...go find the truth - its out there. :-)

[KramerDinar]

Simple answer - the government is screwed up and has been for a very long time. It needs a complete rebuild and the only way to do it is to have it all come crashing down. The government at some point was for the people by the people. Somewhere along the lines it became 'For the government, screw the people".