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thank you for your insight on this, i do find myself fall victim to this. when i have made a couble of post on the site, for adam m. to get in touch with me, well that, alone should tell me something.

i can,t get him to responed. i am a business man ,when i sell a service to someone i have to courtesy to respond when they have questions.

( Adam M., if u see this post call my office XXXXXXXXXXX dbh 8am-4pm CST)

(I will leave this as a message on the moderators forum- pvS)

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Thanks so much for the information and the advice, you are so right, it can all get so overwhelming. I think a lot of people are afraid they will miss some vital bit of info if we don't check the site constantly. As long as we don't miss the BIG announcement I agree its ok to back off some! :D

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RVD,

THAT WAS AN AWESOME POST AND THANK YOU FOR THE REMINDER MY FRIEND !!!!!!!

I experienced a very similar situation and needed to get back to the basics of life and work --- that post needs to be pinned!!!!

Great work and thanks again!!!!

Scooter

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Thanks for a awesome POST!!!

I hope you shed some light on some people to get back to reality.

Others take note get back to living your life, thats something you have some control of.

The revalue of Iraq Currency will take care of itself you and I have no control of it so

get off our duffs and live your life to the fullest.

Continue to pray for everything thats important to you. Remember Jesus is coming soon too.

Someday we will all wake up and have that surprise in our emails RV has been set.

Then it will be celebration ---time and helping ones less fortunate than us--- time!!!

God Bless ALL

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I think outsiders to the CBI can never really know for sure just what manipulations are moving the currents on any given day. I initially bought into this investment thinking it would happen within a reasonably quick timeframe based on what I was reading only to find that it has repeatedly been set to go the it does not happen. Now too many times to count. I check in once in a while but not wasting much more time on it at all. I think this one may end up being a lapse in judgement based on incomplete assessment of the risks which in fairness cannot really ever be known with a purely speculative investment. If it does not happen sometime soon I think the violence and unrest in the mid-east may have a chance of derailing the RV. Part of my risk calculation always includes a time factor where I estimate a realistic time frame for realizing any gain; beyond which I start to question the trade as either being the wrong thing to do, or else the timing was just totally wrong. I am starting to get a feeling like I do when I see a trade not working out when it has been given the correct amount of time and is usually concurrent with seeng a trade gone bad. If there wasn't so much unrest and political cross-currents etc. happening right now I might not be very concerned but with these factors I think it is definitely getting short on time. My problem is I am a purely technical trader and pay no attention to fundamentals (normally). Now with this investment, I have absolutely no technical indication whatsoever to reference and also no reliable fundamentals (apparently) to use in upated risk assessment either. So it is shaping up to be the kind of transaction I would normally have nothing to do with because I cannot determine the risk adequately. I thought the intel was compelling but now see that none of it is to be believed. Bummer. Still holding the position but mainly just in the hopes that maybe just accidentally it will RV soon (like a hugely expensive lottery ticket). I didn't plow so much into it that it will crater me financially but still would like to see some return out of it since I bought into the offshore thing also. Ended up putting way more into it with the offshore stuff than I otherwise would with no technical input into the trade available.

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Hey RVD.... your post is not too Shabibbi! :D

Like you, like Scooter, and a few others.... I too have backed off from posting. You reach a point in the research where you finally understand it. It's kind of like those pictures back in the 90's that was a bunch of colored ink dots that you have to stare into and finally your brain disconnects and you see a 3 dimensional form appear before your eyes. I see what is about to happen. I see what is plausible and that which is not. Many a guru unfortunately married themselves to a guesstimated number and have spent years defending that number. Using any crazy conceived article or brainstormed notion to go off on a tangent and fortify their position. They are armed by loyal readers and a replenishing abundance of some green behind the ears Dinar investors to keep them in the spotlight.

The truth is anything can happen and I hold out hope. However... we can't even figure out what the real money supply is in the country. We hear numbers like 27 Trillion Dinar thrown out yet they have a budget of 90 something Trillion Dinar for 2011. Or 32 Trillion in bank reserves to borrow from to support the budget deficit (not including the CBI reserves). The money supply truthfully could be an astronomical number that we don't really have a clue about.

How can we truthfully expect a country to revalue their currency to a high number when they are comfortable bickering amongst themselves for power trips....when their countrymen are simply begging for electrical power for their homes. How many years must pass them by? Iraq is one of the hottest places on Earth. You would think one of those knuckleheads would have considered a quick fix and built Solar panels in the meantime.

How can you have a country who is the 3rd worst in corruption be expected to handle a significant revaluation of the currency? Can we really expect that to just magically occur without major fallout? We have unemployment between 20%-30%. Would an RV really help those folks that have no savings? The average Iraqi annual income is about $2200. That's right... I said annual. A significant RV will create a monster chasm between social classes. The government employs over 80% of the people I believe. The oil and gas industry that makes up about 90% of the GDP only employs 2% of the workforce. The entire set-up is moving from government to privatization including the 2 largest state owned banks. Isn't it interesting that we NEVER see articles from Iraqi's about the alleged revaluation. Not even one commentary or opinion piece. The best we can get is an occasional economist saying the purchasing power must increase. One must use logic and reasoning to move forward and play this through.

How can we have fils in storage when the constitution states the Kurdish language must now be on the currency? After the alleged fils were printed mind you. It costs 7 cents for every bill to be produced. It is still a mess over there. Democracy takes time to weed out the old habits and more importantly to learn to trust one another. There is no doubt in my mind that the currency will go up in time. We will make a boat load of profit off of this relatively simple investment we have made. IN TIME!!! It breaks my heart to see so many that need it now. Trust me... I do too. I am grateful for learning so much more of how the world works by studying this. I have made countless imaginary friends on this forum that I hope to someday meet. I have it in perspective now and I see where this is going.

Thanks for the great post! Good luck in your new position and to your family.

drox

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Basically just know that we have made a good investment and be confident it will pay off someday. That is why I paid off my reserves so I don't have to worry about a timeline. It takes a huge load off your shoulders knowing that it doesn't have to RV "Monday" because if it doesn't one of my reserves will expire. I still want it to happen soon but I'm not loosing any sleep if it doesn't. I can still sell it back if I want to. Just would loose a couple hundred per mil for a chance of a lifetime. I'm ok with that.

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Hello all my fellow Dinarians,

The purpose of this post is for many reasons, for those who have read my posts in the past, you probably have a sense of my point of view on this investment, I am hard core believer in facts and have little tolerance for the repeated broken promises in the form of bs intel and false hope rumors. Most of which are aimed at the new investors who fall prey to their own lack of knowledge about this investment, especially about aforementioned rumors and intel.

I myself, like many others on here, fell prey to my own lack of knowledge when I first became involved. Even though I quickly wised up to the "it's going to happen Monday" rumors, I still fell prey to the second stage of this investment, research and fact finding. I spent countless hours, sleepless nights, and many, many pots of coffee looking for more and more documents, news articles, anything else I could find to educate myself about the RV and what will have to happen for it to be done. I educated myself on Iraq’s history, government, economy, people, religion, etc. I educated myself about things outside of Iraq that might have to do with the RV like the GOI, HCL,WTO, UN, IMF, CPA, ISX, CBI, Federal Reserve, etc. etc. etc. I spent hours in the forums and chat rooms discussing & debating with, trying to learn more from, or pass on my knowledge to, other dinarians. Basically, I let this investment consume me so much that I lost track of what was happening now and let the dream of being rich run my everyday life, so much so that I even skipped church on Sundays.

I own a small seasonal business in Denver, so the winter is my off season and generally my vacation time when business was good. However, last year’s business was not good enough to afford my usual time off and my wife had to have surgery just after the season ended and is now on disability, lucky for us she had decent disability benefits. The economy was so bad that my customers (who are very wealthy people) were not spending money on the bigger ticket items my business depends on and some of these very wealthy people still have not paid me for some of last year’s invoices. I should have realized sooner where things were headed, but I turned a blind eye when I let myself be consumed as I spoke of above. I have tried to find some work, but the economy is so bad that there is not much work to be found right now. We have resorted to selling off years of old, held onto items both around the house and in storage to make it by so far, but some bills still fell behind as we allocated what we do have to the more important bills. I now have a job lined up for the upcoming season, and I am returning to school at the ripe old age of 39 but the soonest the job will start is mid-march, so we still have to make it through a couple more months if I can't find something else in the mean time. Still, there was a lot more I could have done sooner had I not let this investment consume me the way I did

I know there are many of my fellow dinarians who are falling victim to the same thing who are reading this now. My hope is to get others who are faced with similar circumstances to realize that they too have fallen victim and need to learn to balance this investment with what still has to be done today. Sure, you could be rich tomorrow or next week, but what if this were to take 3 more months or even 3 more years? Can you afford to sit and watch this everyday until it happens if it does take that long? At what point do you realize that relying on rumors and intel saying you will be rich soon are not reliable in this investment? I myself reached this point about 2 weeks ago, I realized that so much of what we hear has to be done for the RV to happen is also nothing more than rumor. Don't get me wrong I very much believe this will happen. It is the how, when, and why it will happen that I have issue with.

I reached a point where I understood this investment well enough for myself to realize what I believe will lead to this investment paying off. This is JUST MY OPINION and nothing else. I based this opinion on research provided by others like me who focus on the facts along with my own research. I have a group of people that I discuss with although I also recently have not been keeping up with them either as much as I was before. I still read the news, and look at the documents provided by others and to a certain extent keep myself informed on the recent happenings, but not even close to a much as I use to, so if something in my information I am going to share is off, I apologize.

While I have backed away from the forums and chat rooms, I still keep myself pretty well informed on certain areas that I believe do have a direct or indirect impact on this investment. Some areas that I do not understand as well, I rely on certain others and their opinions but also try to research as much as I can understand to increase my knowledge in those areas. I make no claims that my own research is not flawed, inaccurate, or wrongly interpreted. There is so much to learn in this investment and sometimes I find a document with good information only to later learn what I thought was the case, turned out to either be false, misleading, or had a change in status at a later date.

A lot of what I get is from the Iraqi news like many of you, I myself believe that most of what is printed in the Iraqi news is correct and current information about things like the ministries, budget, ncsp law, distribution of wealth law, Kuwait issues, etc. Iraqi news is also current, some of these reporters post a couple times a day on parliamentary matters, and there are a couple good commentary reporters over there. The news there has proven right more than any guru. I don't buy into any smoke and mirrors when it comes to most subjects except one, and only a little bit is articles from the CBI when it comes to talking about deleting the zeros, increasing the exchange rate, etc. This is the only area I believe smoke and mirrors would be beneficial for them to use in order to keep speculation at a minimum, IMO there is no doubt to me that Selah, the CBI adviser often quoted in articles, is a master of this practice. This man has done an excellent job of confusing everyone as to what the CBI is really doing. And, yes, before someone tells me that some believe that he has no real attachment to the CBI, I believe he is just as the news calls him, an adviser to the CBI and basically the CBI spokesman. He was with Shabbs in December when Shabbs went in front of parliament, and spoke to parliament himself. We know this because it is in the minutes of that meeting.

What I know and share is my interpretation of news and documents. I have no special background that makes me more qualified than anyone else who has done their homework about this investment. I have come to the conclusion that some things we think matter is just speculation that it has an impact, and there may be something we don’t know has an impact. It could be that all of the sudden it is done and things we thought still needed to be done are not. It could also go the other way and all of what we thought mattered is completed, and there is something we don’t know about that still need to be completed.

First off, I believe that the RV will be part of a process and not so much of an event. Personally, I think this process has already begun and at some point in that process will be an event that happens that will lead to what we will call the RV and allow us to cash out.

I will tell you now, that depending on what turns out to matter, not matter, or did not know matters is completed I see a time frame that starts any day after today up to anytime this year. But this is just my opinion

I think there are certain upcoming events that it would seem logical for it to be done by, but there is just to much unknown to say that it will be done for those events.

1st is the upcoming Arab Summit in March - I think this is very questionable as to the importance of Iraq revaluing their currency other than to look good to other nations and for Iraq to try and set an example by showing they are capable of being a member and even a leader in the Arab world.

2nd I think is more important in my opinion and that is the expiration of the DFI immunities in June. It seems only logical that they could easily afford to pay off any outstanding debts if they were to have a currency of value.

These are the areas I believe that they have a direct or indirect impact on the process leading to an RV

1. The GOI formation, including the ministries, heads of parliamentary committees and the ncsp law. Right now this is a mess, and if I were to try and post all of the issues concerning this issue, this post would go from book to encyclopedia. I will put this simply that I believe that the GOI must be completed in order for other parts of the process to advance.

2. The budget I think is questionable as to its impact of the RV directly, but once again is a necessary issue to be completed in order for the process to advance.

3. The Kuwait issues are also questionable as to the direct impact on the RV, but I think are extremely important due to the fact that Kuwait will not be happy being owed billions in reparations for the invasion of it country if millions of Americans make huge profits off of its currency without being paid themselves first. I think it is possible that Kuwait, and other countries owed debt by Iraq, will get paid off when the IQD's value is set to a starting market rate. (What we will call the RV)

4. HCL law - I believe this has been broken down into smaller laws in order for them to get certain important issues resolved that are addressed by the bigger HCL law that they have been trying to pass. The first of these 2 smaller laws I have read about are the distribution of wealth law and the oil and gas law. This confused me for a while because I thought that the HCL law was the oil and gas law, but one article I read spoke of this breakdown of the HCL law into these smaller laws and calls one of the smaller laws, the oil and gas law. I believe the importance of this lies in the distribution of wealth law because it will specify who gets how much from Iraq’s abundant wealth as oil exports continue to increase.

5. OIL - Contracts and Export - Recently I read an article about what happened when Kuwait’s revalue occurred. What lead to this happening was Kuwait resuming oil exports after the invasion. I believe this will also be the case with Iraq. With so much of Iraq’s GPD reliant upon oil, it will be in my opinion a major factor in the rate of the IQD increasing to market value. The outstanding contracts signed by the Kurds and deemed illegal by the GOI could be the key to all of this, and could be the event we are looking for to happen in order for the process to advance to RV stage. Iraq is due to double its exports by the end of the year, and the recent testing of lines out of the Kurdish region is a sign that the Kurdish agreement to start exporting again is underway.

The way I see the RV happening is that at some point the CBI will set the initial rate at a not to low, not to high starting point. If you have not seen it yet, I would read ThePhantomRiders post from today about this, he makes excellent sense of this point. I believe that oil production and export will be of great importance and should be considered a top issue before any increase of the IQD happens. The other issues I mentioned are all part of the process to get the oil flowing so thier importance should not be overlook, but considered as a part of the process.

I am not saying I am right. This is once again, JUST MY OPINION.

I hope all who are involved will take a hard look at what you are doing on a day to day basis and how much time you may be spending watching, waiting, hoping for this investment to come to fruition. This will happen and one day you will be very happy with the outcome, but in the mean time, don't allow yourself to get distracted and caught up in this investment to the point where you start to neglect things that matter now. Keep your job, or find a job, play with your kids, spend time with your spouse, go to church, enjoy life as you did before you became involved with this investment.

Peace be with you all, and God bless.

Great post hence the reason I went and sought the answers out to what who when and where the RV is controlled from. You are correct this as is any currency speculation is a very very high risk investment. Try my link above for whats really going on here. Peace.

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