A positive skeptic

[MellowYellow]

Yes, I am absolutely a newbie ... I have invested in dinar and only because I had a tip given to me by someone who ... well let's say in the KNOW. Now I am wondering if you can really be in the know. From all that I have read and from all that I can see my mind still cannot come to a conclusion that the Dinar will increase in value or at least increase in the values I see listed throughout this website or any website for that matter. I am a pretty positive person and the reason for my worry is "IF THEY CHANGE THE AMOUNT OF THE DINAR" and being that there are many dinar that have been used for trade and the Dinar is being used to sell and buy things now, plus all of us who have a vested interest and the dinar is only worth maybe 1/10 of a penny, how in the world would or could the dinar change to even a $1.00. There are more Dinar's out there than money in the entire world now so how could this happen? Anyone who can give me a positive response would definitely make my year. I hope this hasn't been asked before as I have ran out of eye strength to read any more topics looking for an answer. I wish for the best but have to use logic to some degree as I believe all of you logically based buying the dinar for some solid reasons.

[MahiMahi]

Bump. I would be very curious of a positive answer as well.

I've invested a lot of money myself based on my own due diligence... but I learn or hear new things every day that makes me question what the logical outcome would really be.

[MellowYellow]

I had always been told if it sounds too good to be true then just maybe it isn't ... please don't get me wrong, there is nothing I would like better than for someone to tell me I am silly and give me a good reason why.

[ruger]

This should help ya read the facts, remember the stuff coming out of Iraq is what they want us to know not facts. IMHO

http://i894.photobucket.com/albums/ac145/Becca_Scholarship/Iraq-Dinar%20PICS/SummaryV5-2.swf

[pop]

You have ask a question that almost everyone ask when they first get into this investment.

When you do the research you will find your answers. There have been many post that answer that very question I don't ever archive them but I read everything and have for over a year. First question to ask is why so many other countries ,large corporation and wealthy people be investing in Dinar.

They have and still are.

Also the general all public actually hold very little dinar compared to the US,CHINA,and many other countries.( remember the old saying follow the money)

The support money for our payout is there and we are very close to collecting. I truly believe before thanksgiving we will be cashing in. This is my own opinion but is backed by my own research.

Now no one knows the exact amount or when and the only pertinent statement that gives a true indication of where it will end up is back about 7 months ago a director of the world bank made a statement that for Iraq to be able to borrow from the International banking system they needed to get their currency to at least $1.53 min so we know they need to get there to rebuild their power,water,roads and infrastructure.

Rest easy with your investment you are in a good position. BLESSING TO YOU, Rev Dan

[MellowYellow]

I did go to the link listed and I think Iraq is going to be a good place for businesses ... but if Iraq changed the value of the Dinar to even $1.00 there would be a value of $27 trillion dollars ... who can cover that? U.S. has over a 3 trillion dollar deficit and we are freaking out. I googled how much money is there in the world came up with how much money is there in the U.S. 1.3 trillion, including stocks and all other things we count as money ... how could Iraq be a country that will gain $27 trillion dollars overnight? This is way too hard for me to comprehend no matter what articles I read I can't believe this could be a fact and again ... you may be correct that the truth is not always told but the truth can be untold by many people, places and things?

I read your post POP ... and I believe you are very educated about this probably a lot more than I will ever be but Iraq is already in international trade because they are selling oil ... the Dinar is still the same price. There is also no infrastructure in Iraq, most people who live there do not have electricity or even running water. I understand that us NEWBIES seem to be a bit out of sync with all of you but these are valid questions and your response does help me to get a picture of what people are thinking and doing. Again, I really don't know how a country could out do us in money ???

[Frank61]

Yes, I am absolutely a newbie ... I have invested in dinar and only because I had a tip given to me by someone who ... well let's say in the KNOW. Now I am wondering if you can really be in the know. From all that I have read and from all that I can see my mind still cannot come to a conclusion that the Dinar will increase in value or at least increase in the values I see listed throughout this website or any website for that matter. I am a pretty positive person and the reason for my worry is "IF THEY CHANGE THE AMOUNT OF THE DINAR" and being that there are many dinar that have been used for trade and the Dinar is being used to sell and buy things now, plus all of us who have a vested interest and the dinar is only worth maybe 1/10 of a penny, how in the world would or could the dinar change to even a $1.00. There are more Dinar's out there than money in the entire world now so how could this happen? Anyone who can give me a positive response would definitely make my year. I hope this hasn't been asked before as I have ran out of eye strength to read any more topics looking for an answer. I wish for the best but have to use logic to some degree as I believe all of you logically based buying the dinar for some solid reasons.

Have you read Adam Montana`s book about the Dinar on this site ?? It would answer all of your questions. There are so many people on this site who have not and come to the forum and ask the same questions overe and over again.

[MellowYellow]

Just to add a little more to what direction I am going with the question ... the World Bank is not necessary to borrow from if the Iraq's need money they can invest like any other country and not borrow. They have five times more oil than what they thought they had second only to Saudi Arabia, they can trade and invest like a lot of countries do ... our country seems to be the one that borrows money as we have little to use as a way to invest anything. A lot of our countries investors are foreign and right now if we had to pay the money we owe to China the country would go bankrupt I think. This is only my opinion.

If the Dinar is worth 1/10th of a penny and it went to even1/2 a penny then all those rich people who have bought millions of Dinar would actually make money they get would get double the investment even those who bought maybe a million dinar would make a little money but definitely making double your investment is good but is it really possible that the dinar could go to $1.00? I can't get my head around that. The only people who seem to be making money right now are the ones selling the Dinar I am just confused.

Sorry if my questions have been asked a thousand times, I realize it must be boring to read the same questions over and over again but hey ... you have a choice not to read it. I only want answers I don't want to go to read a book about the Dinar from someone I do not know. This is a forum, chat whatever and it makes no sense to have one of these for only those who know everything, I just wanted to post questions and hope someone would be kind enough to want to add light to my subject. I am sorry that I have offended.

[BBALL99]

Yes, I am absolutely a newbie ... I have invested in dinar and only because I had a tip given to me by someone who ... well let's say in the KNOW. Now I am wondering if you can really be in the know. From all that I have read and from all that I can see my mind still cannot come to a conclusion that the Dinar will increase in value or at least increase in the values I see listed throughout this website or any website for that matter. I am a pretty positive person and the reason for my worry is "IF THEY CHANGE THE AMOUNT OF THE DINAR" and being that there are many dinar that have been used for trade and the Dinar is being used to sell and buy things now, plus all of us who have a vested interest and the dinar is only worth maybe 1/10 of a penny, how in the world would or could the dinar change to even a $1.00. There are more Dinar's out there than money in the entire world now so how could this happen? Anyone who can give me a positive response would definitely make my year. I hope this hasn't been asked before as I have ran out of eye strength to read any more topics looking for an answer. I wish for the best but have to use logic to some degree as I believe all of you logically based buying the dinar for some solid reasons.

I suggest you sit back and start reading the facts of

what is really happening in Iraq today not what you read

in the newspaper.

Start by going back several months and start reading the

posts of, Scooter, pheonix, sonny1 and some of the real

factual research done on Iraq and the Dinar.

Don't expect to show up at the end of the game and understand

how it is being played or how it is going to be played out in one night.

I will summerise for you,

The Dinar is going to RV and it looks like it is coming soon.

no one knows a date or a rate but the RV is imminent.

These are the facts - believe it or not!

[MellowYellow]

Oh ... so I get it ... I am playing a game? Your way of discounting me as being important sounds a bit mean. I didn't know I was in a game, all I did was buy Dinar's a year ago and then found this website. I don't have to go back to anything to know what is going on today and in my mind today is the only day that counts. It seems to me if I say something about there being a way that the Dinar is not going to go up to a dollar, two dollars, three dollar or whatever, then I need to learn about all the stuff that happened before today. That is pretty sad really. I am not raining on your parade on purpose I bought Dinar and invested my time and money in it the same as you so why would I want to rain on my own parade. I am talking about what I know today, at this moment not what was known a year, two years etc. The economics of this do not go by dates and I don't think you can come in the middle or be the first or last. Why be so rude? I must of hit a soft spot is all I can think of. I can read regular print as well you didn't need to put your font at 20 points. How can asking questions be such a mean thing to do and cause so much discontent? I need to go back to "what people say 101" I guess.

[Mongo]

Yes, I am absolutely a newbie ... I have invested in dinar and only because I had a tip given to me by someone who ... well let's say in the KNOW. Now I am wondering if you can really be in the know. From all that I have read and from all that I can see my mind still cannot come to a conclusion that the Dinar will increase in value or at least increase in the values I see listed throughout this website or any website for that matter. I am a pretty positive person and the reason for my worry is "IF THEY CHANGE THE AMOUNT OF THE DINAR" and being that there are many dinar that have been used for trade and the Dinar is being used to sell and buy things now, plus all of us who have a vested interest and the dinar is only worth maybe 1/10 of a penny, how in the world would or could the dinar change to even a $1.00. There are more Dinar's out there than money in the entire world now so how could this happen? Anyone who can give me a positive response would definitely make my year. I hope this hasn't been asked before as I have ran out of eye strength to read any more topics looking for an answer. I wish for the best but have to use logic to some degree as I believe all of you logically based buying the dinar for some solid reasons.

First of all........positive skeptic.... that's a hard one to get my head around...but oh well. I (IMO)think dinars will be in a basket of reserve currencies. Your dinars will never go back to Iraq, our treasury will collect them and hold in their reserve bank after they pay you the going rate in dollars or Euro's .... the world runs on oil, who has the most?

Edited October 25, 2010 by Mongo

[BBALL99]

Oh ... so I get it ... I am playing a game? Your way of discounting me as being important sounds a bit mean. I didn't know I was in a game, all I did was buy Dinar's a year ago and then found this website. I don't have to go back to anything to know what is going on today and in my mind today is the only day that counts. It seems to me if I say something about there being a way that the Dinar is not going to go up to a dollar, two dollars, three dollar or whatever, then I need to learn about all the stuff that happened before today. That is pretty sad really. I am not raining on your parade on purpose I bought Dinar and invested my time and money in it the same as you so why would I want to rain on my own parade. I am talking about what I know today, at this moment not what was known a year, two years etc. The economics of this do not go by dates and I don't think you can come in the middle or be the first or last. Why be so rude? I must of hit a soft spot is all I can think of. I can read regular print as well you didn't need to put your font at 20 points. How can asking questions be such a mean thing to do and cause so much discontent? I need to go back to "what people say 101" I guess.

Sorry!

You took it the wrong way.

All your questions have been addressed by some

real experts in the field of Iraq and the Dinar.

1. Start by reading Adams book.

2. Find the posts of Scooter, Pheonix, and Sonny1

Remember this investment is Speculation don't

invest more than you are willing to lose. Before investing

due your due diligence and your own research.

We are not investment advisors.

If you understand Iraq it sure seems to me to be a Game!

[On_Reserve]

I am a new investor myself ... I don't believe anyone was being critical of you, PS.

Many people have put a great deal of time into illustrating the 'reasoning' behind the pending RV and, with a little digging, it is all accessible on the forum. See the document by Scooter pinned TODAY in chats. Then begin to review the information on fractional banking followed by oil reserves and oil futures. If there was a frustrated tone in any previous emails, it is due to the fact that this question has been asked and answered many times on this forum and it's not the 'job' of those involved on this forum to spend time revisiting that which you can easily find and, with time, review.

It is a good question, just spend 6-8 hours of you own research and review of the posters who have spend days/months tying everything together. Then throw on the final disclaimer that 'this is Iraq' so all of this may not come true ...

Best,

[Doug A]

There is nothing wrong with asking questions. Its just there is no simple yes or no answer to what you are asking. Iraq is a war torn country that is sitting on top of probably the most valuable land and resourses on our earth today. The value of there currency will be based on that fact and how their goverment plays out. There is tons and tons of research that has been done on this and sometimes people get frustrated with people that come on here and appear to want a simple answer that is just not there. If there was there would be no way you would have this opportunity that you have now with this investment. Maybe it sounds like I am rambling on but I am just trying let you know what I think some people are thinking when there answers sound (and sometimes are) mean. I am not being smart or ugly just trying to answer you in my humble opinion.

[MellowYellow]

I've asked this question too. I have yet to get a real "solid" answer. I share your concern.

Thank you BKHOPEFULL ... still seems no solid answer is out there. God bless those who blindly believe as I did I guess it is a real leap of faith. I am really not sure what was meant by the U.S. will collect the Dinar and pay me for it, what in the world would they want it for? Maybe over the years the Dinar will slowly become more of a value than now and I am also sure it will go up to some amount maybe twice what it is worth now but I can't believe a dollar and no one has given a good answer except to tell me to buy a book or read some news articles and even that I came at the end of the game. The meaning of POSITIVE SKEPTIC maybe contradictory but it's exactly the way I feel about this Dinar being re-valuated to a dollar or more and didn't mean for anyone to try to put their head around it, it was a funny to me sorry the humor wasn't there for some. I do appreciate all the good info and also appreciate those who also feel the same as I do about what is going on. I guess like it was said above ... I came at the end of the game, however; there were people who had the old Dinar with Hussain's head on it I wonder if they came way before the game since that money is trashed and is worthless. Maybe this money will be trashed too who knows. I am sure that the Dinar will have less zeros eventually but who can really say what is going to happen, we all took a risk just like any other stock bought maybe we will gain from it maybe not, but thanks for all opinions you are allowed to have them and so am I. I hope I am the silly one and you are all correct with your views.

[BBALL99]

I am a new investor myself ... I don't believe anyone was being critical of you, PS.

Many people have put a great deal of time into illustrating the 'reasoning' behind the pending RV and, with a little digging, it is all accessible on the forum. See the document by Scooter pinned TODAY in chats. Then begin to review the information on fractional banking followed by oil reserves and oil futures. If there was a frustrated tone in any previous emails, it is due to the fact that this question has been asked and answered many times on this forum and it's not the 'job' of those involved on this forum to spend time revisiting that which you can easily find and, with time, review.

It is a good question, just spend 6-8 hours of you own research and review of the posters who have spend days/months tying everything together. Then throw on the final disclaimer that 'this is Iraq' so all of this may not come true ...

Best,

Great Post!!

You gave a much better answer than I did.

I guess after all this time I get a liitle frustrated.

I think maybe I will go out and buy a new jacket

that may brighten up my day.

Thanks again for your clear response to the issue

Take note: that POST should be pinned in this forum

[MellowYellow]

I am a new investor myself ... I don't believe anyone was being critical of you, PS.

Many people have put a great deal of time into illustrating the 'reasoning' behind the pending RV and, with a little digging, it is all accessible on the forum. See the document by Scooter pinned TODAY in chats. Then begin to review the information on fractional banking followed by oil reserves and oil futures. If there was a frustrated tone in any previous emails, it is due to the fact that this question has been asked and answered many times on this forum and it's not the 'job' of those involved on this forum to spend time revisiting that which you can easily find and, with time, review.

It is a good question, just spend 6-8 hours of you own research and review of the posters who have spend days/months tying everything together. Then throw on the final disclaimer that 'this is Iraq' so all of this may not come true ...

Best,

Thank you and I understand what you are directing me to and I have read a lot of things on this website but none of it to me is written in stone. I don't want a solid answer, I just wanted solid feed back. Like I said before no one has to answer my posts ... many people do not have the time or inclination to be a teacher. But even the answers I would and have gotten would not be anything but something for me to research and I research with things that are not in the U.S. because nothing is as it seems here any way. I go to the places that the actual thing is about, such as Iraq news or middle east news. Nothing is proof and it's hard to believe anything these days so I do appreciate. I did not feel as if there was a frustrated tone since anyone who took the time to even answer me must have something to say so don't apologize for anything as you are entitled to your opinions as we all are. I have spent a year reading about all of this just not on this website like I said I go to outside the U.S. to get info but then I stumbled on to this website and I have read a lot I just feel that people are believing or putting a lot of faith (which is their right) in something that may not come to pass and to at least acknowledge that it is all a gamble. In my opinion we won't loose a lot of money, only what we spend on buying the Dinar from others because I believe worse case scenario is we will get back exactly what we put in to it. Thanks again.

There is nothing wrong with asking questions. Its just there is no simple yes or no answer to what you are asking. Iraq is a war torn country that is sitting on top of probably the most valuable land and resourses on our earth today. The value of there currency will be based on that fact and how their goverment plays out. There is tons and tons of research that has been done on this and sometimes people get frustrated with people that come on here and appear to want a simple answer that is just not there. If there was there would be no way you would have this opportunity that you have now with this investment. Maybe it sounds like I am rambling on but I am just trying let you know what I think some people are thinking when there answers sound (and sometimes are) mean. I am not being smart or ugly just trying to answer you in my humble opinion.

THANK GOD someone who actually understands that there is no SIMPLE yes or no answer. I did not want to appear to want a simple answer, maybe that is the way it was taken, I wanted people to get involved with a conversation and give me things to research. I don't know how asking a question could be frustrating to anyone else since it's just a question and everyone still says why don't I research, but I am researching what others have researched no knowing what or who they are except that they are a member of this forum. I don't know if they are people who are selling Dinar's to others or if they are part of the Iraqi government trying to sell of the money to make money ??? I mean seriously anyone can sign up for this forum, you can be a VIP but again I can't base my thoughts on what other people say all I can do is listen to other people and then go back to my own research. It's not like I will loose everything I own for buying the Dinar I would like to be a millionaire but I guess there would be a lot of us if it all comes to the high expectations of some of the members. Rambling on is when you say something with no meaning ... I think you have meaning so I wouldn't call it rambling.

[MellowYellow]

Sorry!

You took it the wrong way.

All your questions have been addressed by some

real experts in the field of Iraq and the Dinar.

1. Start by reading Adams book.

2. Find the posts of Scooter, Pheonix, and Sonny1

Remember this investment is Speculation don't

invest more than you are willing to lose. Before investing

due your due diligence and your own research.

We are not investment advisors.

If you understand Iraq it sure seems to me to be a Game!

Yes, Iraq is a game, a serious one that a lot of people have suffered from and are still suffering from. The U.S. will never leave Iraq, we have like a 500,000 sq ft building going up there and just as in Germany the Americans are there to stay. I just don't know who Adam is and I certainly do not want to pay for his book even half price as I have gotten an email stating that today. I am not angry at your post at all, if you were hear and I was talking to you there would be a bit of humor in my voice ... very hard to do when I have to type it and the infliction is impossible to type into words. I don't think we will loose anything since I don't believe they will get rid of the money altogether so everything is fine and life goes on. You are right no one is an investment adviser ... I wasn't looking for one, I was only looking for someone to give me things to help me understand what they think doesn't mean I have to agree but it does give insight. People who get frustrated about us newer people coming here and asking the same questions is kind of childish though since I don't know how it would hurt, upset or frustrate anyone. If it hurts them they they can click on another page right? Anyway, if my wording sounds mean it is not meant to, this is the way I type and I positively do not want to offend anyone.

[rocketman2010]

Thank you BKHOPEFULL ... still seems no solid answer is out there. God bless those who blindly believe as I did I guess it is a real leap of faith. I am really not sure what was meant by the U.S. will collect the Dinar and pay me for it, what in the world would they want it for? Maybe over the years the Dinar will slowly become more of a value than now and I am also sure it will go up to some amount maybe twice what it is worth now but I can't believe a dollar and no one has given a good answer except to tell me to buy a book or read some news articles and even that I came at the end of the game. The meaning of POSITIVE SKEPTIC maybe contradictory but it's exactly the way I feel about this Dinar being re-valuated to a dollar or more and didn't mean for anyone to try to put their head around it, it was a funny to me sorry the humor wasn't there for some. I do appreciate all the good info and also appreciate those who also feel the same as I do about what is going on. I guess like it was said above ... I came at the end of the game, however; there were people who had the old Dinar with Hussain's head on it I wonder if they came way before the game since that money is trashed and is worthless. Maybe this money will be trashed too who knows. I am sure that the Dinar will have less zeros eventually but who can really say what is going to happen, we all took a risk just like any other stock bought maybe we will gain from it maybe not, but thanks for all opinions you are allowed to have them and so am I. I hope I am the silly one and you are all correct with your views.

mellowyellow, this is just my thoughts. Iraq will only have too RV in country. if you are from the US They will buy Dinar from it citizen. then they will purchase the oil from Iraq. And sell it back to us, probably five times higher. so all goverment will win we are just a small pea in the pot.

[MellowYellow]

Read about ":FRACTAL BANKING SYSTEM

The best answer I could find on Fractal Banking http://aotearoaawiderperspective.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/usury-fractal-banking.pdf states that it always collapses ...? Can you give me a better description of Fractal Banking? I think Fractal Banking is what happened to us three years ago. Giving loans that were backed by nothing for homes that were well over what the average person could pay for and now we are where we are. Fractal Banking seems to be the method of spending money that isn't there and making interest off it then it all disappears. It would not really support what we need to happen with Iraq does it? How would it help with a re-valuation?

[Aunt Bee]

I think there are more optimists here then pessimists. Keep it Real. It Could Happen ?

[letsroll]

Thank you BKHOPEFULL ... still seems no solid answer is out there. God bless those who blindly believe as I did I guess it is a real leap of faith. I am really not sure what was meant by the U.S. will collect the Dinar and pay me for it, what in the world would they want it for? Maybe over the years the Dinar will slowly become more of a value than now and I am also sure it will go up to some amount maybe twice what it is worth now but I can't believe a dollar and no one has given a good answer except to tell me to buy a book or read some news articles and even that I came at the end of the game. The meaning of POSITIVE SKEPTIC maybe contradictory but it's exactly the way I feel about this Dinar being re-valuated to a dollar or more and didn't mean for anyone to try to put their head around it, it was a funny to me sorry the humor wasn't there for some. I do appreciate all the good info and also appreciate those who also feel the same as I do about what is going on. I guess like it was said above ... I came at the end of the game, however; there were people who had the old Dinar with Hussain's head on it I wonder if they came way before the game since that money is trashed and is worthless. Maybe this money will be trashed too who knows. I am sure that the Dinar will have less zeros eventually but who can really say what is going to happen, we all took a risk just like any other stock bought maybe we will gain from it maybe not, but thanks for all opinions you are allowed to have them and so am I. I hope I am the silly one and you are all correct with your views.

Mellow yellow, I'm learning just like everyone else but I think your answers were posted in this thread . RESEARCH . a lot has been done for you but you will need to put in many hours reading and learning what people have suggested for you to do in this thread..... and it still boils down to are you willing to invest sorta blindly so to speak,. this is a high risk speculative investment plain and simple with no definite answers . you really don't think if this was a for sure deal that you would even have a chance of being in it , not on your life !

You asked why the USA wants the dinar ? IMO one slightly important reason why the treasury dept. wants the dinar . OIL.. the dinar will be traded back for the black gold ... A few in Iraq know how it's supposed to all take place but I'm pretty sure no one on the dinar sites knows the exact dates or rates.... like any investment get all the knowledge you can acquire base your decisions and invest ( which you have already done ) unless your buying a huge amount of dinar the amounts invested is small compared to the possible returns ....... take care

Edited October 25, 2010 by letsroll

[MellowYellow]

There are two things being mentioned " Fractional Banking" and "Fractal Banking" which is it, they are entirely different ways of banking. I don't want anyone to make a job out of my questions, didn't know this was a job site. My main question is and has always been "How could Iraq re-evaluate their money from 1/10 of a penny to lets say $1.00 or even 50 cents overnight? As I said before that would be more money than what is in the entire world it would be trillions. $250 thousand dinar at a dollar would be $250,000 So if it not too much of a job and with as few words as possible can someone answer this ... I know what happens when money gets changed or re-valuated ... Germany had the "Deutsche Mark" and switched to Euro ... why wouldn't Iraq want to go to Euro as well, even the U.S. has ideas of going Euro and other countries too. Can someone just tell me how they think this would happen and I will be happy

[Who_Dat_Gurl]

http://www.mees.com/postedarticles/oped/a47n44d01.htm

I am giving you this link that I posted last week. It did not get comments at all on it, but it was a very long read. I personally got a lot out of this information shared by this Dr. that worked as an economist with the IMF. It is an old article, but explains how exchange rates work in Iraq. I am not going to tell you what I believe by reading this. I compared it with other notes from today's info that I have found. It really has to be read and dissected. Hope you can find time to read it, it is very informative.

[MellowYellow]

I think there are more optimists here then pessimists. Keep it Real. It Could Happen ?

I am not being a pessimist I just thought interaction with those who seem to know more would be helpful. I am not sure what keep it real means as I don't think I was being unreal and never once said I don't think it couldn't happen only that I can't envision the amount of re-valuation. Anything can happen and I hope it does.