How Far Can a Gas Truck & an Electric Ford Lightning Go Towing the Same Camper On ONE Fill-up?

[Hotcurl]

8 hours ago, bigwave said:

John Kerry Says It’s Time to Go Into Overdrive and “Accelerate” the Transition to Green Energy (VIDEO)

28 seconds:

 

 

I'll give John Kerry a "molecule" of respect when his Private Jet runs on battery's ................ 

 

Talk about a blatant hypocrite and a political insider, who benefits from / for promoting an agenda .............. 

 

Total  from my perspective ................

 

Just sayin' ............

 

Semper Fi

[bigwave]

"When the sun is too hot and the panels can’t do their job, which is a complete and total bust.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/07/heat-decreases-solar-panel-efficiency-experts-say-hot-solar-panels-handle/

 

I think they should use the solar panels used on the moon. From this article the moon temp can reach 250 degrees and those panels survived the trip - right?:

"The moon's temperature can reach a boiling 250° Fahrenheit (120° Celsius or 400 Kelvin) during lunar daytime at the moon's equator, according to NASA(opens in new tab).."

 

Anyway, charging stations just took another hit.

 

[nstoolman1]

I put a simple sprinkler system on my roof and had it keep it misted. I never had a drop in efficiency. 

[bigwave]

[bigwave]

On 7/18/2022 at 6:34 PM, Hotcurl said:

I'll give John Kerry a "molecule" of respect

Generous.

[bigwave]

Electric Bus Burst Into Flames During East Coast Heatwave – One Day After Connecticut Gov. Requires All Future State Vehicles to Run On Electric Power

“Lithium-ion battery fires are difficult to extinguish due to the thermal chemical process that produces great heat and continually reignites,” the fire officials said in a statement. “Exposures were protected at the scene.”

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/07/electric-bus-burst-flames-east-coast-heatwave-one-day-connecticut-gov-requires-future-state-vehicles-run-electric-power/

[caddieman]

Electric Vehicles Catch Fire Considerably Less Than Gas Cars

 

Perhaps you’ve seen news stories about electric vehicles such as Teslas and the Chevy Bolt catching on fire. Upon seeing these dramatic images and videos, you might think that EVs are dangerous and prone to fires. However, a recent study shows that electric vehicles catch fire considerably less than gas-powered cars.

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/electric-vehicles-catch-fire-considerably-less-gas-cars/

[yota691]

Electric Vehicle Batteries Can Explode After an Accident

 

 

[caddieman]

Gas cars can explode after an accident. Air Planes explode after an accident almost every time! Just sayen.

[bigwave]

National Motorists Association Blog

Electric Car vs. Gas Car Costs: Which Truly Saves You The Most Money?

February 20, 2022 • 3 Comment • Auto Industry, Car Care, Electric Vehicle, Fuel, INSURANCE, Tips

By The Car Coach Lauren Fix

 

The Bottom Line
The average length of time drivers keep a new vehicle is about six years, with an average yearly cost of $3300 for EV’s and $3900 for gas powered cars.

Totaling all factors, total costs over the average use of the vehicles are $71,770 for EV’s and $58,664 for gasoline powered cars.

 

You’ll never make up the initial expense difference over the lifetime of your more expensive electric vehicle. Spending tens of thousands of dollars on any vehicle is a big decision for most people, so it’s worth digging deeper into the true overall cost of each vehicle.

For the entire article: https://ww2.motorists.org/blog/electric-car-vs-gas-car-costs/

[FlyHi]

Not quite on topic but it sure shows some problems with electric operated machinery.

For those of you that think electric vehicles are the answer- this is a true story from a farmer in the Midwest- and I’m re-posting it-

A close friend farms over 10,000 acres of corn in the mid-west. The property is spread out over 3 counties. His operation is a "partnership farm" with John Deere. They use the larger farm operations as demonstration projects for promotion and development of new equipment. He recently received a phone call from his John Deere representative, and they want the farm to go to electric tractors and combines in 2023. He currently has 5 diesel combines that cost $900,000 each that are traded in every 3 years. Also, over 10 really BIG tractors. JD wants him to go all electric soon.

He said: "Ok, I have some questions. How do I charge these combines when they are 3 counties away from the shop in the middle of a cornfield, in the middle of nowhere?" "How do I run them 24 hours a day for 10 or 12 days straight when the harvest is ready, and the weather is coming in?" "How do I get a 50,000+ lb. combine that takes up the width of an entire road back to the shop 20 miles away when the battery goes dead?"
There was dead silence on the other end of the phone.

When the corn is ready to harvest, it has to have the proper sugar and moisture content. If it is too wet, it has to be put in giant dryers that burn natural or propane gas, and lots of it. Harvest time is critical because if it degrades in sugar content or quality, it can drop the value of his crop by half a million dollars or more. It is analyzed at time of sale. It is standard procedure to run these machines 10 to 12 days straight, 24 hours a day at peak harvest time. When they need fuel, a tanker truck delivers it, and the machines keep going. John Deere's only answer is "we're working on it." They are being pushed by the lefty Dems in the government to force these electric machines on the American farmer. These people are out of control. They are messing with the production of food crops that feed people and livestock... all in the name of their "green dream."
Look for the cost of your box of cornflakes to triple in the next 24 months...”
Wake up! Stand up! Speak up!
Let's return sanity to our nation.

Copied and pasted... thanks Christine Louise

[caddieman]

A typical passenger vehicle emits about 4.6 metric tons of carbon dioxide per year.

 

All-electric vehicles and PHEVs running only on electricity have zero tailpipe emissions.

 

🤷‍♀️

[nstoolman1]

2 hours ago, caddieman said:

A typical passenger vehicle emits about 4.6 metric tons of carbon dioxide per year.

 

All-electric vehicles and PHEVs running only on electricity have zero tailpipe emissions.

 

🤷‍♀️

 

 

How many tons of carbon dioxide is emitted by the generators needed to charge those electric cars?

Besides, we need CD for plants to live. 

[bigwave]

6 hours ago, nstoolman1 said:

 

How many tons of carbon dioxide is emitted by the generators needed to charge those electric cars?

My thoughts exactly:

 

Tesla car battery production releases as much CO2 as 8 years of gasoline driving

 

Huge hopes have been tied to electric cars as the solution to automotive CO2 climate problem. But it turns out the the electric car batteries are eco-villains in the production process of creating them. Several tons of carbon dioxide has been emitted, even before the batteries leave the factory.

 

IVL Swedish Environmental Research Institute was commissioned by the Swedish Transport Administration and the Swedish Energy Agency to investigate litium-ion batteries climate impact from a life cycle perspective. There are batteries designed for electric vehicles included in the study. The two authors Lisbeth Dahllöf and Mia Romare has done a meta-study that is reviewed and compiled existing studies.

 

The report shows that the battery manufacturing leads to high emissions. For every kilowatt hour of storage capacity in the battery generated emissions of 150 to 200 kilos of carbon dioxide already in the factory. The researchers did not study individual brand batteries, how these were produced, or the electricity mix they use. But if we understand the great importance of the battery here is an example: Two common electric cars on the market, the Nissan Leaf and the Tesla Model S, the batteries about 30 kWh and 100 kWh.

 

Even before buying the car emissions occurred, corresponding to approximately 5.3 tons and 17.5 tons of Carbon Dioxide. The numbers can be difficult to relate to. As a comparison, a trip for one person round trip from Stockholm to New York by air causes the release of more than 600 kilograms of carbon dioxide, according to the UN organization ICAO calculation.

 

Another conclusion of the study is that about half the emissions arising from the production of raw materials and half the production of the battery factory. The mining accounts for only a small proportion of between 10-20 percent.

 

The calculation is based on the assumption that the electricity mix used in the battery factory consists of more than half of the fossil fuels. In Sweden, the power production is mainly of fossil-nuclear and hydropower why lower emissions had been achieved.

 

The study also concluded that emissions grow almost linearly with the size of the battery, even if it is pinched by the data in that field. It means that a battery of the Tesla-size contributes more than three times as much emissions as the Nissan Leaf size. It is a result that surprised Mia Romare.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/06/20/tesla-car-battery-production-releases-as-much-co2-as-8-years-of-gasoline-driving/

 

[caddieman]

17 hours ago, nstoolman1 said:

 

 

How many tons of carbon dioxide is emitted by the generators needed to charge those electric cars?

Besides, we need CD for plants to live. 

I have had my Ev for a year and a half now never seen a generator at an Ev charging station. On the other hand I have seen charging stations equipped with solar. I have solar at my house. So my car has never been charged by a generator. 
You been looking at to much social media.

 

Electric vehicle charging station not powered by diesel generator

Just pretend you don't see the big-ass diesel generator in the background, while you charge your electric car and save the world," says the caption of a photo of an EV charging station in front of a fenced-off generator shared in a November 15, 2021 Facebook post.

 

The image is being shared following pledges at the COP26 climate summit in Glasgow by several countries and carmakers to progressively phase out internal combustion-only vehicles in the coming decades.

A reverse image search on TinEye leads to a November 11, 2021 Reddit thread discussing the same picture.

Many commenters doubt the claim that the generator is used to power the EV charging station, and one user mentions that it is located near the airport in El Paso, Texas.

This website, which shows a map with various EV charging station locations, includes a special note to say: "These chargers are not run off the diesel generator near the units. That generator is used as back up power for the building."

Contacted by AFP, a spokesperson for Blink, the company listed on the EV charging station, said: "The charging station is not powered by the diesel generator or connected to it.

"To our knowledge, the generator is for emergency lighting and other amenities for the parking lot only and is designed for backup power for the terminal. The generator is not in operation unless there is an emergency, and the main power is off."

The El Paso International Airport and Kohler, the generator's manufacturer, had not responded to AFP's request for comment by the time of publication.

According to the US Energy Information Administration (EIA), petroleum-fired electricity generation is virtually absent from Texas' power grid. Instead, most of the state's electricity comes from natural gas.

https://factcheck.afp.com/http%3A%2F%2Fdoc.afp.com%2F9TB2YB-1

 

 

Edited August 5, 2022 by caddieman

[coorslite21]

Natural gas is plentiful in the US.. ... and very clean.

The increased usage over the past decade was what reduced the US carbon foot print.....not the green movement....     CL

 

 

 

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Natural gas prices have risen since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, exacerbating an already tight supply situation.

Making matters worse, Moscow has since cut gas exports to Europe to multi-year lows, sending Europe’s gas price to almost 10 times its pre-war average.

Using data from BP’s Statistical Review of World Energy, the above infographic provides further context on the gas market by visualizing the world’s largest gas producers in 2021.

Natural Gas Consumption at All-Time High in 2021

Natural gas is part of nearly every aspect of our daily lives. It is used for heating, cooking, electricity generation, as fuel for motor vehicles, in fertilizers, and in the manufacture of plastics.

The fuel is a naturally occurring hydrocarbon gas and non-renewable fossil fuel that forms below the Earth’s surface. Although the Earth has enormous quantities of natural gas, much of it is in areas far from where the fuel is needed. To facilitate transport and reduce volume, natural gas is frequently converted into liquefied natural gas (LNG), in a process called liquefaction.

Despite global efforts to reduce reliance on fossil fuels, natural gas consumption reached a new all-time high in 2021, surpassing the previous record set in 2019 by 3.3%.

Demand is expected to decline slightly in 2022 and remain subdued up to 2025, according to the International Energy Agency.

Region	2021 Demand in Billion Cubic Meters (bcm)	2022P (bcm)	2025P (bcm)
World	4,103	4,083	4,243
Africa	169	172	188
Asia Pacific	895	907	990
Central and South America	153	147	153
Eurasia	634	619	632
Europe	604	549	536
Middle East	564	582	627
North America	1,084	1,108	1,116

The Asia Pacific region and the industrial sector are expected to be the main drivers of global gas consumption in the coming years

Natural Gas Production, by Country

The world’s top 10 producers of natural gas account for about 73% of total production.

Rank	Country	2021 Production (bcm)	Share %
	Global Total	4,036.9	100.0%
#1	United States	934.2	23.1%
#2	Russia	701.7	17.4%
#3	Iran	256.7	6.4%
#4	China	209.2	5.2%
#5	Qatar	177.0	4.4%
#6	Canada	172.3	4.3%
#7	Australia	147.2	3.6%
#8	Saudi Arabia	117.3	2.9%
#9	Norway	114.3	2.8%
#10	Algeria	100.8	2.5%

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Natural gas accounts for 32% of primary energy consumption in the United States, the world’s largest producer. Russia is the second biggest producer, and also has at least 37 trillion cubic meters of natural gas reserves, the most in the world.

China’s natural gas production grew by 7.8% in 2021, and it has nearly doubled since 2011. This sustained growth in production is partly down to government policies incentivizing coal-to-gas switching.

Europe’s Natural Gas Crisis

Russia has significantly reduced flows of natural gas to Europe since Western nations imposed sanctions on the Kremlin following the invasion of Ukraine. Before the war, the European Union (EU) imported about 40% of its natural gas from Russia.

The gas is transported by the Nord Stream system, a pair of offshore natural gas pipeline networks in Europe that run under the Baltic Sea from Russia to Germany.

Russian energy giant Gazprom recently halved the amount of natural gas flowing through the Nord Stream 1 pipeline to 20% of capacity, blaming Western sanctions for a delay in the delivery in a necessary turbine. EU officials say Russia is “weaponizing” its gas supply.

Amid tensions, the EU bloc outlined a plan to phase out dependence on Russian fossil fuels. Lithuania ceased Russian gas imports at the beginning of April. Estonia’s and Latvia’s imports also dropped to zero at the start of that month. Bulgaria, the Netherlands, and Poland all announced that they do not intend to renew long-term contracts with Gazprom.

Despite these efforts, Europe remains dependent on Russia for its supply of natural gas, at least in the short and medium term.

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[Synopsis]

The renewable carbon cycle is likely the most efficient and eco friendly option.

 

Photosynthesis converts sunlight and CO2 to feedstock for useable fuels.

 

Fossil fuels, although currently plentiful, will deplete over time.

 

Methane is likely the optimum renewable carbon fuel when naturally occurring plants and organisms are used in conjunction with sunlight.

 

Currently, not the cheapest in this scenario compared to fossil fuels but the most efficient and sustainable.

 

Methane can also be a feedstock to produce higher carbon chain fuels.

 

Even feedstocks for lubricants.

 

Current catalyst technologies for methane conversions have an eco foot print so would need to be managed accordingly to minimize the eco foot print.

 

However, methane is likely the lowest cost and biggest bang for the buck compared to technologies other than fossil fuels.

 

Hydrogen cycles use electricity in hydrogen generation and/or utilization.

 

Electricity can imply solar or wind that have a non fuel eco foot print either in their mining and/or disposition.

 

Nuclear is a great option when designed properly and the materials managed properly.

 

However, nuclear has an eco foot print, too, in mining and disposal.

 

Just my 

[nstoolman1]

9 hours ago, caddieman said:

I have had my Ev for a year and a half now never seen a generator at an Ev charging station. On the other hand I have seen charging stations equipped with solar. I have solar at my house. So my car has never been charged by a generator. 
You been looking at to much social media.

 

Electric vehicle charging station not powered by diesel generator

Just pretend you don't see the big-ass diesel generator in the background, while you charge your electric car and save the world," says the caption of a photo of an EV charging station in front of a fenced-off generator shared in a November 15, 2021 Facebook post.

 

The image is being shared following pledges at the COP26 climate summit in Glasgow by several countries and carmakers to progressively phase out internal combustion-only vehicles in the coming decades.

A reverse image search on TinEye leads to a November 11, 2021 Reddit thread discussing the same picture.

Many commenters doubt the claim that the generator is used to power the EV charging station, and one user mentions that it is located near the airport in El Paso, Texas.

This website, which shows a map with various EV charging station locations, includes a special note to say: "These chargers are not run off the diesel generator near the units. That generator is used as back up power for the building."

Contacted by AFP, a spokesperson for Blink, the company listed on the EV charging station, said: "The charging station is not powered by the diesel generator or connected to it.

"To our knowledge, the generator is for emergency lighting and other amenities for the parking lot only and is designed for backup power for the terminal. The generator is not in operation unless there is an emergency, and the main power is off."

The El Paso International Airport and Kohler, the generator's manufacturer, had not responded to AFP's request for comment by the time of publication.

According to the US Energy Information Administration (EIA), petroleum-fired electricity generation is virtually absent from Texas' power grid. Instead, most of the state's electricity comes from natural gas.

https://factcheck.afp.com/http%3A%2F%2Fdoc.afp.com%2F9TB2YB-1

 

 

Natural gas, Diesel, or coal you are missing the point. All of those produce waste gas. Great if you have solar, but you are limited by how far you can go in order to make that claim. Solar in itself is a mass no green solution but the end point user can claim green. How many states do not use N.G. for generating electricity? 

Electricity has to come from somewhere. You would be surprised how many don't know past the plug in the wall how it gets there. And no, I don't listen to the media. I do my research. 

[Markinsa]

20 hours ago, caddieman said:

According to the US Energy Information Administration (EIA), petroleum-fired electricity generation is virtually absent from Texas' power grid. Instead, most of the state's electricity comes from natural gas.

 

In other words the majority of EV Cars in Texas are charged by NG Generators.  NG is another fossil fuel.

 

.

[Synopsis]

To demonstrate the hypocrisy of it all………….

 

I have a colleague who was and is a project manager for a major oil company installing semi trailer skid mounted modular steam methane reformers to generate hydrogen at retail fueling stations.

 

In California.

 

Feedstock?

 

Natural Gas.

 

That is almost all…….

 

Methane.

 

What do these steam methane reformers emit to the atmosphere?

 

Carbon Dioxide as a waste gas.

 

      

[caddieman]

18 hours ago, nstoolman1 said:

Natural gas, Diesel, or coal you are missing the point. All of those produce waste gas. Great if you have solar, but you are limited by how far you can go in order to make that claim. Solar in itself is a mass no green solution but the end point user can claim green. How many states do not use N.G. for generating electricity? 

Electricity has to come from somewhere. You would be surprised how many don't know past the plug in the wall how it gets there. And no, I don't listen to the media. I do my research. 

 

7 hours ago, Markinsa said:

 

In other words the majority of EV Cars in Texas are charged by NG Generators.  NG is another fossil fuel.

 

.

https://www.c2es.org/content/natural-gas/

• Combustion of natural gas emits about half as much carbon dioxide as coal and 30 percent less than oil, as well as far fewer pollutants, per unit of energy delivered.

[Markinsa]

16 hours ago, caddieman said:

 

https://www.c2es.org/content/natural-gas/

• Combustion of natural gas emits about half as much carbon dioxide as coal and 30 percent less than oil, as well as far fewer pollutants, per unit of energy delivered.

 

You are missing the point, you are still using a Fossil Fuel to charge your EV.

 

.

[coorslite21]

 

 

 

How to Invest in Hydrogen, an Alternative to Fossil Fuel Energy

Hydrogen is a promising alternative energy source to fossil fuels but is in direct competition with lithium-based batteries.

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• AUG 3, 2022 6:31 PM EDT

Hydrogen is being used in fuel cell electric vehicles. But there is potential for it to be used in combustion engines of heavy-duty vehicles.

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CONTENTS

• What Is Hydrogen?
• How Is Hydrogen Produced?
• How Big Is the Hydrogen Market?
• How Is Hydrogen Used?
• How to Invest in the Hydrogen Market
• What’s the Bottom Line on Investing in Hydrogen?

What Is Hydrogen?

Hydrogen is touted as an alternative and clean energy source that can power electric vehicles, releasing nothing but water vapor and heat into the atmosphere. The electrolysis process of separating water into two atoms of hydrogen and one atom of oxygen, though, is power intensive—it requires large amounts of electricity.

Hydrogen is becoming popular among alternative energy sources, but production in large quantities is limited. It faces competition—at the consumer and commercial levels—from lithium-based batteries, which have become the dominant source in powering electric vehicles. It’s also a highly flammable gas, making storage and transportation a challenge.

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How Is Hydrogen Produced?

Production of hydrogen varies by method—natural gas reforming/gasification, electrolysis, renewable liquid reforming, fermentation (via biomass)—and these are differentiated by color designation. The prevalent preferred method is production without harmful greenhouse gas emissions, and that is classified as green hydrogen. Solar, wind, and biomass energy are among the alternative power sources used to produce this type of clean hydrogen. The term yellow hydrogen applies specifically to production via solar power.

Other methods classified as blue, gray, black, and brown require the use of fossil fuels, namely natural gas and coal, and these methods release greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. Natural gas, for example, is combined with high-temperature steam to produce hydrogen.

Hydrogen produced by nuclear energy is called pink, purple, or red. White hydrogen is naturally occurring and can be captured via fracking. Turquois is the latest form of hydrogen—it is produced from methane but emits low levels of greenhouse gases.

Currently, the bulk of hydrogen produced in the U.S. is from natural gas and coal, but the push is to increase production through electrolysis via solar and wind.

Still, the efficiency of hydrogen may not be on par with batteries due to systemic loss during production, storage and delivery. 

How Big Is the Hydrogen Market?

One estimate forecasts the entire hydrogen generation market jumping from $150 billion in 2021 to $220 billion in 2028. As of August 2022, there were few large-scale projects being undertaken to produce green hydrogen because of the high costs involved in creating the facilities and the amount of space required to accommodate large arrays of solar panels.

The U.S. and a small number of countries, including Australia and China, are backing projects to produce green hydrogen in large quantities with the aim of bringing the cost of hydrogen to a level that’s competitive with lithium batteries and gasoline. In 2021, the U.S. Department of Energy aimed to reduce the cost of clean hydrogen to $1 per 1 kilogram in 1 decade, in a plan dubbed 1-1-1.

California is the most ambitious among the 50 states to focus on hydrogen-fueled cars, and its energy commission worked with Toyota Motor Co. and Honda Motor Co. in the construction of hydrogen charging stations in California. Almost all of the hydrogen stations in the U.S. are in California.

How Is Hydrogen Used?

The production of hydrogen is largely for use in the automotive sector—in fuel cells for electric vehicles or using it outright as a compressed fuel for combustion engines. Hydrogen in fuel cell electric vehicles (FCEVs) is used to create a chemical reaction that produces electricity.

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Toyota’s Mirai passenger car has a range of up to 402 miles on a single charge with its fuel cell, and that is comparable to the long-range performance of 405 miles on Tesla’s Model S. By comparison, the Honda Civic can travel up to 520 miles. But the costs vary, with hydrogen the most expensive.

As of August 3, 2022, the price of hydrogen in San Francisco was about $20 a kilogram. The cost of fueling a 5-kilogram capacity Toyota Mirai would set its owner back $100. That compares to about $26 for Tesla’s long-range Model S, and about $70 for a full tank of gas for a Honda Civic. If the U.S. government were to realize its goal cost of $1 a kilogram by the 2030s, hydrogen could become the cheapest source to power vehicles.

While battery performance may be practical for passenger vehicles, such performance on heavy-duty vehicles is poor. That’s where hydrogen could have a greater advantage. For this reason, heavy-duty vehicle manufacturers such as JCB of the U.K. and Caterpillar Inc. are working on hydrogen-powered combustion engines. The engines are similar to gas combustion engines but are configured to accept hydrogen as the fuel source and have zero-carbon emissions.

How to Invest in the Hydrogen Market

Hydrogen is a niche market that is quite volatile. Companies span the globe, mainly in developed countries with the resources to build facilities and scale up technology on hydrogen. While there is no open market price on hydrogen as there is with materials like copper that trade on commodities exchanges, portfolio exposure to hydrogen can be achieved via indexes, exchange-traded funds, and individual stocks.

Indexes

Investing in hydrogen is still in its early stages, and there is at least one index on which exchange-traded funds and stocks can be benchmarked. The Solactive Global Hydrogen Industry Index NTR focuses on more than 20 stocks, including shares of companies engaged in hydrogen production, fuel cell technology, and distribution.

Below is a graph of Solactive’s ETF from inception in mid-June 2021 to early August 2022.

Solactive's ETF in early August 2022 was well below its starting point in June 2021.

Screenshot via Solactive

ETFs

Exchange-traded funds that focus on hydrogen are relatively new, but there are some ETFs that have been around for more than a year. One of the newer funds is the Global X Hydrogen ETF (NASDAQ: HYDR) from Mirae Asset Financial Group. According to its mandate, the ETF seeks to invest in companies that run the gamut from hydrogen production to the integration of hydrogen into energy systems. The makeup of the fund is skewed toward companies based in the U.S. and the U.K.

Stocks

Investors and analysts who track indexes and ETFs can review constituent stocks. Companies in the production of hydrogen from renewable sources include Norway-based Nel ASA. Connecticut-based FuelCell Energy and Toyota are among those actively engaged in fuel cell technology.

What’s the Bottom Line on Investing in Hydrogen?

Hydrogen technology remains in its early stages of development, but it has a promising future with the potential to power FCEVs, heavy-duty vehicles, and even aircrafts and ships.

Processing hydrogen has its economic challenges and also poses a unique environmental quandary: Is it worth it to use large amounts of power to produce another type of power? Yet, the same argument can be made for gasoline or jet fuel, two types of fossil fuels that are relied on for travel. And still, unlike crude oil or natural gas, water is a plentiful resource.

Yet, unlike lithium, hydrogen remains an abundant material that has little procurement impact on the environment. Lithium remains the main source of material for batteries but requires invasive mining to extract.

Hydrogen has been derided by Tesla founder Elon Musk, who referred to fuel cells as “fool sells” in a tweet. But the truth of the matter is that government support is needed to make it a viable alternative energy source.

Just as with any new type of technology, economies of scale will drive costs lower as demand increases down the road—just as battery production costs dropped with increased demand for electric vehicles.

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[nstoolman1]

The problem I see when using hydrogen as a fuel for cars is: 

1. Storage. It has to be compressed to a liquid. Very similar to LNG. 

2: How much electricity is needed to produce a liquid gallon?

Don't get me wrong. I am all for it if it gets better mileage and cleaner exhaust. 

The problem is the trade off of dirty air from coal to. Lean air of hydrogen.

[caddieman]

On 8/7/2022 at 8:48 AM, Markinsa said:

 

You are missing the point, you are still using a Fossil Fuel to charge your EV.

 

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You are missing the point EVs are much more effective in lowering CO2 emissions that gas cars………fact! No matter how they are charged! Like I said before I have solar at my house where I do 85% of my charging.

Edited August 8, 2022 by caddieman