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How Far Can a Gas Truck & an Electric Ford Lightning Go Towing the Same Camper On ONE Fill-up?


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How Far Can a Gas Truck & an Electric Ford Lightning Go Towing the Same Camper On ONE Fill-up?

 

 

 

Chuck's Pulling Videos
2 days ago
This is exactly the kind of thing I have been trying to get across to people who keep pressuring me to switch to EV. I travel hundreds of miles for work, often times 100-250+ miles in a day. Short range and long charge times are just not practical for me. This was a great comparison test!

 



Ron B
10 hours ago
Imagine how much worse those batteries would perform in extreme cold or heat! 😳

 



Libertarian1776
2 hours ago
For me the outcome was pretty much expected and honestly cost wise per "fill-up" is not that much different because of the premium gas.
EV may be an option one day but we aren't there yet, it's time for the IIC to start living in the real world with the rest of us.

 



Adirondack Homestead
17 hours ago
Larger battery hybrids with an electric plug in for charging when possible is probably the only way to make a truck viable for anyone who travels more than a few miles per day.

 



john carville
21 hours ago
It all comes down to "what is your time worth?" The time wasted charging makes the cost of electric vehicles comparable to gas and definitely to diesel. If you are a commercial trucker and it takes you twice a long to transport goods from one place to another, you aren't spending less in the long run.

 



Ron Simons
13 hours ago
I RV camp about 4 times a year.  Mountains are on every side of me.  No way an electric is going to haul my RV through the Rockies.
 But you know, if you only drive a few hundred miles for your recreation, it may work.  
I'm also wondering how fast you can fix an electric breakdown.  Still too many questions for me.

 



Frank Geimer
1 day ago
That is a real eye opener on the range restrictions of the Lightning. Thanks for the ride along!

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Ev are  not good enough now for commercial or for towing. But I can go over 300 miles in my Ev and it cost me about $5.00 to charge it back up. My diesel truck cost me $175.00 to fill up and and has about 550 mile range on the interstate. $175.00 vs $10.00 for the same range. Takes about 40 min to charge up. So is 40 min of your time worth saving $165.00 bucks! It is in my world.

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51 minutes ago, caddieman said:

Never had to wait to charge

How much will it cost apartment owners to install electric charging stations for the tenants?

 

You have to have a dedicated 220 v or it take "forever" to get it on a 110 circuit.

 Plus if you are driving in a area (like everywhere) that has no charging stations then you have to

bust out your 1 Hp generator, get some gas and then charger ur' up.

 

This won't get it:

 

Hero-Green-Energy-1.jpg

 

Good luck to you.

 

 

 

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Reasons why gas cars are better than electric cars

Overview

Electric cars are considered the future of the automobile industry because there are several reasons behind this statement. Electric cars are beneficial for the environment. However, just because there is a greater demand for electric vehicles does not mean that electric cars are superior to gasoline vehicles. Many customers consider gas cars are better than electric cars although electric cars are eco-friendly and have zero-emission of co2.

Reasons why gas cars are better than electric cars

Electric cars have some advantages, but they still have a long way to go before they can be considered superior to gas-powered vehicles. The advantages of gas-powered vehicles over their electric counterparts are discussed in this article.

  • DISTANCE IS IMPORTANT

If anyone is going to buy a car he will first check the mileage of the distance of that car because everyone wants the best range in a short time, therefor electric cars can’t match the mileage offered by gas-powered vehicles between fill-ups. If you choose to buy an electric car, you may end up with a vehicle with a battery range of 100 – 200 miles. When compared to gasoline-powered vehicles, these figures are low. The average mileage per tank of gas for most gas-powered vehicles is 300 to 400 miles.

If you choose a range-topping EV like the Tesla Model S, you can drive for up to 370 miles on a single charge.

However, these figures are insignificant when compared to the range of gas-powered vehicles. Sure, most gas-powered vehicles get around 300 miles on a full tank, but the more fuel-efficient models can get up to 500 miles before running out of gas. The Kia Forte, Hyundai Elantra Eco, and Toyota Yaris Sedan all get around 35 miles per gallon (combined). You can travel anywhere between 380 and 490 miles before running out of gas, depending on tank size. Electric cars, at least for the time being, can’t compete with that.

Reasons why gas cars are better than electric cars

  • Insufficient Charging Stations

The biggest issue is the power station for electric cars. The number of gas power stations is more than electric cars. The electric charging stations are a big problem for developing countries where electricity is not present in a sufficient quantity. Electric cars are suitable in developed countries like the USA, China, the UK, Australia, etc.

The point here is that the lack of car charging stations may make electric vehicles less suitable for long road trips.

Consider taking a 300-mile road trip like Mount Rushmore, The Gateway Arch, or any other place; in a fuel-efficient vehicle, you could complete the journey on a single tank of gas. Taking the same trip in an electric vehicle, on the other hand, could be challenging. You’re almost certain to come to a halt at a charging station because you’ll run out of juice before you get halfway. That would not be a problem in some areas where charging stations are plentiful, but in areas where there aren’t many charging stations, it can become a problem.

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  •  MONEY IS MONEY, AND TIME IS MONEY

There’s something else to say about charging stations and the amount of time it takes to charge an electric car’s batteries. Charging your car’s battery can be a problem if you’re in a hurry. Even “fast” charging stations can take up to 30 minutes to charge a car’s battery pack to 80% capacity which isn’t even close to a full charge! As a result, it’s best to accept early on that you’ll be spending more time waiting for your car batteries to charge rather than filling up the gas tank.

However, charging a battery pack can take up to eight hours, depending on whether you’re using a Level 1 or Level 2 charger.

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  • Costs of Maintenance and Replacement

It’s true that electric cars eliminate the need to pay for gasoline. However, just because you save money on gas doesn’t mean you’re saving money on everything else. Those battery packs, for instance, are quite costly. They’re not as expensive as they were a decade ago — battery packs used to cost around $1,000 per kWh — but they’ll still put a dent in your pocket.

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The battery pack in the Tesla Model 3 costs $190 per kWh, while the battery pack in the Chevrolet Bolt is expected to cost around $205 per kWh.

When you multiply that by their total output, you’re looking at replacement costs of around $12,000 to $20,000. While there’s no guarantee that you’ll need to replace them in a certain amount of time, if you own an electric car and drive it for a long time, you’re likely to need a battery pack replacement down the road. Who knows, maybe you’ll have to do it more than once during the life of your electric vehicle. Imagine spending more than $50,000 on an electric car only to spend even more money on a battery pack replacement later on. We haven’t even considered the possibility of other problems with these vehicles.

  • ELECTRIC CAR PRICES MAY SKYROCKET

In the United States and many European countries that offer fuel cost savings, tax credits, and incentives for electric cars, this isn’t as much of a problem. But where does that leave the rest of the world? Unfortunately, in many parts of the world, the concept of an electric car is still strange, particularly in areas where the structure to support EVs is lacking.

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In other cases, some governments may impose higher taxes on electric vehicles, making them even more expensive than they are now. Electric cars are even classified as “exotics” in some countries, putting them in the same category as performance car brands like Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, McLaren, Rolls-Royce, and Bentley. It may seem strange to think of it in these terms if you live in the United States, but that is the reality that many people in other parts of the world face when considering purchasing an electric vehicle.

https://bestelectriccars.us/electric-cars-and-hybrid-cars-pros-and-cons/

  • ELECTRIC CARS REQUIRE FOSSIL FUEL?

There’s no denying that electric vehicles emit no co2 from the atmosphere. However, even though this is true does not mean that electric cars are completely devoid of fossil fuels. Electric cars, after all, require the production of electricity in order to function. Hydropower, renewable energy sources, and nuclear power are just a few of the options. However, none of these are the primary sources of electricity. The United States of America was founded five years ago.

EVs, like coal, petroleum, and natural gas, require them because we can’t get electricity without them unless we use the other methods mentioned. Granted, those percentages are expected to decline as more focus is given on renewable energy sources, but until we completely abandon the use of fossil fuels to generate electricity, EVs will continue to rely on them, albeit indirectly. At the very least, we know that gas-powered vehicles require fossil fuels. EVs, too, require them. It really is just that no one brings it up.

  • THE TECHNOLOGY OF ELECTRIC CARS IS STILL IN THE EARLY STAGES

There will come a time when electric vehicles will be the majority on the road. That appears to be a foregone conclusion now that every reputable automaker has moved its focus to develop as many electric vehicles as possible. But that day has yet to come. For the time being, gas-powered automobiles continue to reign supreme. When you play the numbers game, this is what happens.

Disadvantages of electric cars on environment

Disadvantages of Electric Cars on the Environment

You can still buy an electric car, but you should be aware that the entire electric vehicle universe has yet to be fully explored. With a gas-powered car, we know what we’re getting ourselves into. To see their benefits, you can draw on more than a century of history and evolving technology. Electric cars are as promising as they are for the future, but there isn’t much history to suggest that this is the way to go. I understand that it appears to be a choice between a sure thing and an untapped opportunity, but that is also the reality of the situation. Electric vehicles may come to dominate the world’s highways in the future. There a plenty of factors and proof that point to us ending up there. What if…we don’t?

  • GETTING OFF THE LINE FAST IS FUN, BUT MAINTAINING TOP SPEED IS WHERE THE TRICK IS

So, this primarily applies to high-performance electric vehicles and their gas-powered counterparts. It also draws attention to your preference for being fast or not being fast. The electric car is the way to go if you want to be quick off the line, in part because they generate more torque than their gas-powered counterparts and it comes instantly. This is significant because torque is what propels a vehicle forward. Electric cars also do not require traditional transmissions, which eliminates a step in the electrical distribution process.

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This is where you will experience immediate acceleration. But there’s a beauty: just because electric cars accelerate more quickly doesn’t mean they’re faster. The issue with electric cars, at least in comparison to their gasoline-powered counterparts, is that they are less likely to maintain that speed due to the lack of transmission to channel that power to higher gears. Gasoline-powered vehicles, on the other hand, do not have this issue. That’s why, in a race between an electric car and a gas-powered performance car, the safe bet is on the electric car to accelerate faster, but the gas-powered car to catch up and pull ahead in a matter of seconds.

  • IF THERE IS NO SOUND, THERE IS NO FUN

Electric vehicles emit less noise than their gasoline-powered counterparts. Some people believe this is a good thing, especially for everyday EVs, but when it comes to performance EVs, the lack of sound can be seen as depriving someone of the experience of listening to a gas-powered engine’s full audible might. Consider the following scenario: you’re driving down a long stretch of road and want to boost the efficiency of your electric vehicle.

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It’s not the kind of sound you’d expect from a high-performance vehicle, but you get what you pay for when you buy a high-performance EV. Now imagine yourself in a high-performance car with a naturally aspirated V-12 engine. Heck, even a turbocharged V-8 or turbocharged V-10 engine will suffice. The difference in driving enjoyment is night and day, especially if you’re driving a manual transmission vehicle. When you change gears, the shriek of a V-10 engine is one of the purest and most beautiful sounds you’ll ever hear in a car. That’s something electric vehicles can’t do, at least not yet.

  • CONFUSION OVER PRICES AND VARIETY

Automobile manufacturers have done an excellent job managing the price points of their electric vehicles. Electric cars are also cheaper because of fuel savings, tax credits, and state incentives, at least if they’re available in your state. Despite these benefits, electric vehicles are generally more expensive than gasoline-powered vehicles. When compared to the cost of owning a gas-powered car, an electric car is out of reach for most people. Some people are able to afford electric vehicles without breaking a sweat. That’s fantastic.

Furthermore, due to the scarcity of electric car options, you may be forced to purchase an EV that you aren’t completely sold on in the first place. It will change at some point, especially once automakers begin to introduce full electric car lineups to the market. However, until that day comes, the options prefer gas-powered vehicles over electric vehicles.

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Cost to charge

Costs for a home charging setup

Besides understanding what it will cost to power an EV, it's also important to know the cost of a key piece of at-home technology: the electric vehicle supply equipment (EVSE), along with the cost of its installation. Another potential cost is a residential solar power system, which a growing number of people are considering, either for vehicle charging alone or for powering the car plus the household. Let's break down what these things cost.

The electric vehicle supply equipment: $200-$1,000+

Plug-in vehicles today typically come with the ability to charge at home on standard household current, 120 volts, which is called Level 1 charging. They also can charge on faster 240-volt circuits, called Level 2 charging.

 

If the vehicle has a small battery, under 10 kWh, you can often make do with the Level 1 charging system that comes with the vehicle. For plug-in cars with larger batteries, Level 2 is your best bet for overnight charging and quick top-ups.

 

Most automakers with plug-in vehicles in their lineups have a preferred charger provider, but there are dozens of companies selling EVSEs. A search online will help you find the features, power output and pricing that best suit your needs. Just search for "EVSE" or "EV home chargers." Prices for quality Level 2 home systems can range from just under $200 to more than $1,000 before installation.

 

There are faster Level 3 chargers, but they require a 440-volt DC power supply and are not meant for home use. You'll find these at Tesla Supercharger locations or other independent charging stations.

Cost of installation: $800-$1,300

Installation costs for EVSEs vary by region, depending on such factors as local labor rates, materials used, and government permit costs and requirements.

 

The biggest variable is permit costs, said Ken Sapp, SVP of business development for Qmerit, a Southern California company specializing in connecting homeowners with qualified EVSE installers throughout the U.S.

 

Nationally, Sapp said, average costs range from $800 to $1,300 for a home EVSE installation with a short and uncomplicated 10-foot wiring running from the electrical service box to the charging station.

The costliest region is the Western U.S., where installation can run from $950 to $1,300. It's least expensive in the Central U.S. states, at $800 to $1,100. Costs in the Southeast states can range from $850 to $1,150, while costs run from $900 to $1,200 in the Northeast.

The costs of a solar system: $7,000 and up

Unless you'll be charging electric cars for many years to come, it can be difficult to make an economic case for installing a solar system just to serve your EV.

 

In the Los Angeles area, a 1-kilowatt solar system produces an average of 4 kWh of power per day. A base Tesla Model 3, which is EPA-rated at 29 kWh/100 miles and is one of the more efficient EVs available, would need at least a 3.1-kW system to get about 50 miles of range per daily charge. Such a system costs roughly $7,000 and doesn't include the cost of a storage battery to hold power for overnight charging. That feature could double the cost.

 

Solar starts to make more sense if you install a system capable of providing electricity for the household as well as the EV. Upfront costs of owning a solar system outright can be steep. But on average, a properly sized whole-house solar system will pay for itself over about seven years and will last for at least 25 years. Costs are largely dependent on the size of the system, regional labor rates, the quality of the solar panels and power inverter used, and the complexity of the installation.

 

The national average installed cost of a 10-kW system is $20,498 after applying the 26% federal tax credit, according to EnergySage, a Boston-based service that links homeowners with solar system providers across the country. Depending on your location and energy needs, a considerably cheaper 6-kW system could be adequate. There are a number of solar system financing and leasing programs, although the latter may come with onerous conditions from the leasing company, so be sure to read the fine print. Some utilities also offer incentives.

https://www.edmunds.com/fuel-economy/the-true-cost-of-powering-an-electric-car.html

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Upfront Cost for an EV

Prospective EV owners should be clear on one thing before they go new car shopping: electric cars are more expensive to purchase. According to the United States Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC), the average sticker price on a new electric vehicle is approximately $19,000 more than that of a new gasoline-powered vehicle.

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15 hours ago, caddieman said:

Ev are  not good enough now for commercial or for towing. But I can go over 300 miles in my Ev and it cost me about $5.00 to charge it back up. My diesel truck cost me $175.00 to fill up and and has about 550 mile range on the interstate. $175.00 vs $10.00 for the same range. Takes about 40 min to charge up. So is 40 min of your time worth saving $165.00 bucks! It is in my world.

Can't wait for you to get caught one day in a huge bumper to bumper traffic jam where traffic is stopped dead still for hours. No way to get around anyone, so you sit there for hours like what happened this past winter on the beltway in DC. When you run out if juice and can't get to a charging station, what then? Frezze to death because of no heater or fry in the summer because you can't use the AC? And forget charging your phone or listening to the radio. And I have NOT even begun to figure the overall costs of purchase, maintenance, battery disposal, cost to the environment to charge the thing etc. But hey, I get it, you "feel" good about saving the planet and hugging that tree!

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12 hours ago, bigwave said:

How much will it cost apartment owners to install electric charging stations for the tenants?

 

You have to have a dedicated 220 v or it take "forever" to get it on a 110 circuit.

 Plus if you are driving in a area (like everywhere) that has no charging stations then you have to

bust out your 1 Hp generator, get some gas and then charger ur' up.

 

This won't get it:

 

Hero-Green-Energy-1.jpg

 

Good luck to you.

 

 

 

Installed it at my house for $600.00. That’s including a wall charger. You can put a 220 v outlet in a garage for $150.00

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I think the point is that having the most up to date charging system at home does you no good while sitting on a stopped freeway in 110 degree heat because the Highway patrol has a suspect stopped on the same freeway. Happened to my in laws on the 10 freeway in SoCal. 6 hours. Cars were running out of gas running the ac. 

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4 hours ago, md11fr8dawg said:

Can't wait for you to get caught one day in a huge bumper to bumper traffic jam where traffic is stopped dead still for hours. No way to get around anyone, so you sit there for hours like what happened this past winter on the beltway in DC. When you run out if juice and can't get to a charging station, what then? Frezze to death because of no heater or fry in the summer because you can't use the AC? And forget charging your phone or listening to the radio. And I have NOT even begun to figure the overall costs of purchase, maintenance, battery disposal, cost to the environment to charge the thing etc. But hey, I get it, you "feel" good about saving the planet and hugging that tree!

Lol hate to tell you this but I could sit there for days with the ac or heat on. I could listen to the radio too for days but why do that when I could watch Netflix on the 15 inch 4K screen. I could watch the whole series of breaking bad and get caught up. As a matter of fact my EV never lets the interior temp exceed 100 degrees when parked. My wife was at work all day last week when the outside temp was over 100 most of the day. The car was cooling all day to keep the inside under 100. It only lost 3 miles of range.

As far as maintenance goes there is almost none. No oil changes, no brake pads, No rotors, no timing belt, no belts at all, no transmission Like I said almost no maintenance. At some point I will have to dispose of the battery pack.(estimated at 20 years)  you have to dispose of a battery about every 5. Cost to the environment is minimal compared to belching co2, and Diesel engines. 

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For the US and the World to go all electric there simply isn't enough green electricity" that can be generated to make it work!

That's reality.. 

 

Current high fossil fuel prices have been created by the current administration.....and before you comment on Russia....this fuel crisis never would have happened under Trump for many reasons. US energy independence is in the toilet because of the current administration.

 

Hydrogen fusion should be the answer to all of this. In the late 70's Carter floated the concept as a solution....the petroleum lobbies buried the idea.

 

Just some thoughts.....EV's will go the route of the Edsel......CL

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1 hour ago, coorslite21 said:

For the US and the World to go all electric there simply isn't enough green electricity" that can be generated to make it work!

That's reality.. 

 

Current high fossil fuel prices have been created by the current administration.....and before you comment on Russia....this fuel crisis never would have happened under Trump for many reasons. US energy independence is in the toilet because of the current administration.

 

Hydrogen fusion should be the answer to all of this. In the late 70's Carter floated the concept as a solution....the petroleum lobbies buried the idea.

 

Just some thoughts.....EV's will go the route of the Edsel......CL

Engineering Explained: 5 Reasons Why Hydrogen Cars Are Stupid

Sustainable transportation seems to be taking one of two routes: electric or hydrogen. Here are five reason why the latter makes no sense whatsoever…

  1. It’s not green 
  2. The process is inefficient 
  3. Hydrogen vehicles are too expensive 
  4. The status quo is maintained 
  5. Battery technology is improving

https://www.carthrottle.com/post/engineering-explained-5-reasons-why-hydrogen-cars-are-stupid/

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4 hours ago, caddieman said:

Engineering Explained: 5 Reasons Why Hydrogen Cars Are Stupid

Sustainable transportation seems to be taking one of two routes: electric or hydrogen. Here are five reason why the latter makes no sense whatsoever…

  1. It’s not green 
  2. The process is inefficient 
  3. Hydrogen vehicles are too expensive 
  4. The status quo is maintained 
  5. Battery technology is improving

https://www.carthrottle.com/post/engineering-explained-5-reasons-why-hydrogen-cars-are-stupid/

 

That might be the stupidest thing you've ever posted....

 

1. It's not green.....yep....big product is Oxygen or H2O and it doesn't require mining lithium...

2. Not inefficient....and in time can be very efficient....things get better with time....

3....Time solves that.

4. STATUS QUO.....now that's really important!

5. No special battery required....

 

CL

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fuel cells are not ever going to take the place of EVs. 
 

With a BEV, once the electricity is generated – hopefully from a renewable source – the supply of this to your vehicle charging location loses about 5%. The charging and discharging of the battery then lose another 10%. Finally, the motor wastes another 5% driving the vehicle. That makes for a total loss of 20%.

With a hydrogen fuel cell, however, you first have to convert the electricity to hydrogen via electrolysis, which is only 75% efficient. Then the gas has to be compressed, chilled and transported, which loses another 10%. The fuel cell process of converting hydrogen back to electricity is only 60% efficient, after which you have the same 5% loss from driving the vehicle motor as for a BEV. The grand total is a 62% loss – more than three times as much. Or, to put it another way, for every kW of electricity supply, you get 800W for a BEV, but only 380W for an FCV – less than half as much. That’s a huge inefficiency if you’re hoping for a greener future, and doesn’t even take into account the fact that 95% of hydrogen is currently generated from fossil fuel sources
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2020/07/04/why-hydrogen-will-never-be-the-future-of-electric-cars/?sh=6eba063312fa

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I've some questions been wondering about:

1. Where is electricity coming from, real question? Especially when estimates not including trucks, buses etc. There are 290 million registered autos in the US. How long to meet those needs and how much and where are we getting it without use of fossil fuels?

2. If these vehicles need multiple batteries, the cost to replace is how much? I've read on some units an estimated $21-22,000. How long last, I couldn't do $22 grand every 4-5 years.

3. What happens to the used defunct batteries? Is the US planning on shipping to China like the old computers only to lie in a dump somewhere and leach into the ground contaminating everything?

4. Are any thoughts being given to recycling? There's such a push and rush to do this are any of the talking heads giving this any thoughts to the future beyond going green, before continued implementation? 

5. There's more, these are just my beginning salvo. 

The US pushes, rushes to implement but I always feel they've not thought it through to the finish line. I can see multiple problems already and no fixes. Sort of like what the scientists did in dumping raw waste into the ground at Hanford expecting the ground to clean it up all the while a plume of contamination is winding its way underground to the Columbia river.

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I find it amusing caddieman that you are commenting on CO2 emissions when ONE volcanic eruption spews more CO2 and other comtaminants in the atmosphere than all of our cars and trucks combined in a few years. Then the winds carry that debris all over the earth. And look at how many active volcanos there are in the world at this moment. But I DO NOT fret, you greenies will lasso those pesky volcanos and calm them down and put them in their place. 

caddieman, you must have one of theose "special" EVs, because I was talking to our Benz salesman about a month ago when we were getting our car serviced. We were talking about the new electric cars and their cost to purchase and how well they performed. He was not near as excited and optimistic as you. He had a 18 yo come into the dealership and he sold him a Smart Car EV. The kid lived 100 mile from the dealership. Salesman said he pulled out of the lot with AC on full cold and radio blasting. Got 78 miles and ran out of charge, had to call Daddy to come get him. And of course, you did see the vid of the Ford Lighting EV and the GMC Denali in the towing range experiment, right? Sad. Must be nice to have one of those "special"EV that can go around the world in 80 days and never need charging. Where do I get one of those beauties??

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Towing With An Electric Truck - Is It Cheaper Than Gas? Rivian R1T vs Ford F-150 PowerBoost
1,046,489 views Mar 26, 2022

 

 

 

B. Rain
3 months ago
Can we discuss how long the EV truck sat charging before and after towing only 57 miles. 
If I’m making a typical 300 mile round trip pulling my car, how long will I be off the road charging to save 4 dollars?

 



Mark whatzhisface
2 months ago
Splitting the charging into 2 separate charges saved you over $3.00. The 15min on the first charge needs to be added to the second charge, adding $0.20/min for time. Then both vehicles cost almost the same. You will also find the unloaded mileage of the Ford is also  almost 3x better.  What were the prices of the vehicles as tested? You could have used a $20000 cheaper Ford hybrid with the same towing capacity.

 



dragon7689
2 months ago
What was the outside temp?  It seems the test was done in a favorable temp for the EV.  If it was done in 100-110 degrees in summer heat, the EV would have been far less effective and may have even suffered from the thermal overload.

I couldn't imagine driving an hour and stopping for an hour plus to charge.

Then people say, "Oh well, it's unloaded that you really see the benefits."  Nope. I drive over 300 miles every weekend to go home, and I wouldn't even make it home before I would have to charge this thing again.  Then drive back to work sunday evening and spend an extra hour somewhere charging it again.

 

 

 

Bennett Anderson
2 months ago
What a great eye opening real world test. Thanks. Clearly EV can't tow effectively yet. By the looks of the battery horizon it will be several years before EV's have capacity for a good work truck. those of us who tow, haul lots of tools or travel 2-400 miles on a routine basis .. like out here in the west need to use our trucks without delays like charging. It would be like changing oil on your truck twice a day. I love the idea of an EV but can't imagine charging every 150 or 200 miles.

 



SSOK
1 month ago
Great video, the only thing I think should have been included is what your personal time is worth to you? Is ev really cheaper if you include the multiple stops you would have to make to recharge, to equal the same distance as a gas vehicle? Is an extra hour to hour and a half of your time worth it?

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2 hours ago, md11fr8dawg said:

I find it amusing caddieman that you are commenting on CO2 emissions when ONE volcanic eruption spews more CO2 and other comtaminants in the atmosphere than all of our cars and trucks combined in a few years. Then the winds carry that debris all over the earth. And look at how many active volcanos there are in the world at this moment. But I DO NOT fret, you greenies will lasso those pesky volcanos and calm them down and put them in their place. 

caddieman, you must have one of theose "special" EVs, because I was talking to our Benz salesman about a month ago when we were getting our car serviced. We were talking about the new electric cars and their cost to purchase and how well they performed. He was not near as excited and optimistic as you. He had a 18 yo come into the dealership and he sold him a Smart Car EV. The kid lived 100 mile from the dealership. Salesman said he pulled out of the lot with AC on full cold and radio blasting. Got 78 miles and ran out of charge, had to call Daddy to come get him. And of course, you did see the vid of the Ford Lighting EV and the GMC Denali in the towing range experiment, right? Sad. Must be nice to have one of those "special"EV that can go around the world in 80 days and never need charging. Where do I get one of those beauties??

First why are you so pissed off all the time. I’m just relaying my first hand experience from my EV car. And yes I think it is special.
Just last month I went on a golf trip from Tigerville SC to Opelika AL. It was around 90 had the AC on all the way 268 miles made it with 35 miles of range left. The hotel I stayed had free over night EV charging so 536 miles round trip cost me about $5.00 bucks it make the trip. 
And as I said earlier EVs right now are not good enough to tow. That’s why I have a 2500 Ram diesel to do my towing. If you buy an Ev for towing your an idiot. As the battery tech increases it will be. They say in five years Ev cars will have over 600 mile range. Then you get an Ev that make sense to tow things. 

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14 hours ago, caddieman said:

fuel cells are not ever going to take the place of EVs. 
 

With a BEV, once the electricity is generated – hopefully from a renewable source – the supply of this to your vehicle charging location loses about 5%. The charging and discharging of the battery then lose another 10%. Finally, the motor wastes another 5% driving the vehicle. That makes for a total loss of 20%.

With a hydrogen fuel cell, however, you first have to convert the electricity to hydrogen via electrolysis, which is only 75% efficient. Then the gas has to be compressed, chilled and transported, which loses another 10%. The fuel cell process of converting hydrogen back to electricity is only 60% efficient, after which you have the same 5% loss from driving the vehicle motor as for a BEV. The grand total is a 62% loss – more than three times as much. Or, to put it another way, for every kW of electricity supply, you get 800W for a BEV, but only 380W for an FCV – less than half as much. That’s a huge inefficiency if you’re hoping for a greener future, and doesn’t even take into account the fact that 95% of hydrogen is currently generated from fossil fuel sources
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2020/07/04/why-hydrogen-will-never-be-the-future-of-electric-cars/?sh=6eba063312fa

 

You have this one right....hydrogen is a stand alone energy source.....there is no intent to incorporate it into the EV process.

 

Imagine if 50 years ago the hydrogen concept had been adopted......with the progress that would have been made in technology what a cleaner, healthier world we would have today...    CL

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4 hours ago, md11fr8dawg said:

We need to stop bothering our resident liberal, caddieman with the Inconvenient Truth!

So you know what the truth is about EVs and don’t even own one over someone who has owned one for over a year.👌 Can’t have someone telling the ultra conservative the ACTUAL truth. Heaven forbid someone else might have more real info.

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Nope, not even close.  We just don’t trust you or particularly like you.  Why? It’s very simple.  You come on this site looking for a fight every time you post.  
 

I’m not trying to be mean spirited, unlike you who had to call md a name like it is some disease. (ultra conservative).   Why must you be so snarky when you make a post?  

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