Welcome to the start of the withdrawal of the international coalition forces from the country

[dinarham]

At the bottom of this pile of **** , there is a pony!

[dinarham]

poop?

[yota691]

Iraq: We do not have American bases.. and the fourth round of strategic dialogue will be the last

Thursday, July 22, 2021 03:00 AM

Fouad Hussein

 

 

 Iraqi Foreign Minister Fouad Hussein announced that the fourth round of strategic dialogue between Iraq and the United States will be the last, while indicating that it will witness agreement on scheduling the American withdrawal from Iraq.

Hussein said - according to the Iraqi News Agency (INA) - that "there are no American bases in Iraq," noting that "the Americans are in Iraqi camps, not American."

He pointed out that "the current US administration understands the situation in Iraq in a way that contradicts the previous administration," noting that "the meeting of Prime Minister Mustafa Al-Kazemi and US President Joe Biden will discuss the overall Iraqi-American relations."

The Iraqi Foreign Minister suggested, "Iraq and America will likely return to the 2008 agreement after the end of the rounds of dialogue," stressing that "the terrorist organization ISIS still poses a threat and we need American intelligence support."

 

 

[yota691]

Fouad Hussein from Washington: There are no US bases in Iraq

political| 07:48 - 07/21/2021

 

 

 

 

 

Baghdad - Mawazine News
Foreign Minister Fouad Hussein announced, on Wednesday, that the fourth round of strategic dialogue between Iraq and the United States will be the last.
Hussein said in a television interview, which was followed by "Mawazine News", that the meeting of Prime Minister Mustafa Al-Kazemi and US President Joe Biden will discuss the overall Iraqi-American relations.
He added, that the round of dialogue will witness agreement on scheduling the American withdrawal, pointing out that the Americans are in Iraqi camps, not American, as he put it.
He noted that Iraq and America may return to the 2008 agreement after the end of the strategic dialogue round.

He pointed out that ISIS still poses a threat and we need American intelligence support.
The Foreign Minister added that there are no US bases in Iraq. Ended 29/R77

[yota691]

Strategic Dialogue with the United States: A Final Round, Clear Schedule and Back to 2008

July 22, 2021

 

Zia Walid

Writer and journalist from Iraq

A source tells "Ultra Iraq" about the time of the withdrawal of US combat forces (Facebook)

Next Friday, July 23, the fourth round of the strategic dialogue between Iraq and the United States of America will start in Washington, DC, where Iraqi Prime Minister Mustafa Al-Kazemi will meet with US President Joe Biden, in addition to the negotiating delegation that preceded Al-Kazemi's visit to Washington headed by Foreign Minister Fouad Hussein.

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In a statement that may cause controversy in political circles, Hussein suggested that Iraq and the United States would return to the 2008 agreement after the end of the dialogue rounds.

The strategic dialogue rounds were launched between the two countries in June 2020, while the second round of dialogue took place two months later, in August of the same year.

Read also:  The Iraqi-American Strategic Dialogue... A preliminary reading قراءة

The Iraqi government is talking about the strategic dialogue rounds reducing the number of American forces against the backdrop of pressure from political and armed forces that say they want to get the Americans out of Iraq, and their voices have emerged in particular after the airport operation in which Qassem Soleimani and Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis were assassinated.

The third round of dialogue was held in April 2021, and the "Coordination Body of the Resistance Factions" preceded it with a statement in which it threatened to launch "large and precise strikes if the (strategic dialogue) did not include a clear and explicit announcement of the date for the final withdrawal of the occupation forces in full."

The statement of the third round did not include a declaration in the form that the "resistance factions" wanted, as it spoke of "the shift of the role of the US and coalition forces to training and advisory missions in a way that allows the redeployment of the remaining combat forces outside Iraq."

At that time, the Iraqi government renewed its commitment to protect individuals and convoys of the international coalition and diplomatic missions of its countries, which did not happen in the following days, when attacks targeting those forces escalated.

"important files"

The Iraqi negotiating delegation is supposed to discuss the scheduling of the withdrawal of US forces from Iraq, which is the most important axes of the visit, as the facts and statements indicate. Withdrawal of US forces.

In turn, the Parliamentary Foreign Relations Committee, on the lips of member Amer Al-Fayez, said that Al-Kazemi will discuss "the political and security situation in the region through Iraq's pursuit of converging views between important regional powers in the region and the world," in addition to the file of withdrawing US forces from Iraq and increasing security cooperation. and military in accordance with the security agreement signed between the two countries.

One last tour back to 2008

The Iraqi Foreign Minister, Fouad Hussein, arrived a few days ago in Washington at the head of the negotiating delegation in preparation for the dialogue that will be led by Prime Minister Mustafa Al-Kadhimi on behalf of Iraq and Biden on the United States. This is the second round that the Iraqi government is engaged in with the administration of Democratic President Joe Biden.

Two days before the start of the dialogue, Foreign Minister Fouad Hussein announced that the fourth round of strategic dialogue between Iraq and the United States "will be the last" and that it will witness "agreement on scheduling the American withdrawal."

In a statement that may cause controversy in political circles, Hussein suggested that Iraq and the United States would return to the 2008 agreement after the end of the rounds of dialogue, in reference to the strategic agreement between the United States and the government of Nuri al-Maliki, which stipulated the withdrawal of American forces at the end of 2011.

'clear' withdrawal schedule

In the context of this, informed sources at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, "Ultra Iraq" tried to communicate with them, said that the fourth round of dialogue is surrounded by complete secrecy, as even the circle surrounding Prime Minister Mustafa Al-Kazemi, which does not know much about the expected outcomes of the strategic dialogue at its end.

In statements reported by the official government network, Foreign Minister Fouad Hussein said: "There are no American bases in Iraq and the Americans are in Iraqi and not American camps," but at the same time he points out that "ISIS is still a threat and we need American intelligence support."

Hussein adds that "the current US administration (Joe Biden's administration) understands the situation in Iraq in a way that is different from the previous administration," without further clarifying the differences between the current administration and the administration of former President Donald Trump.

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The source told "Ultra Iraq" that "the withdrawal schedule may be in the spring of next year 2022," which is what the parties opposed to the American presence in Iraq have demanded and demanded.

The Foreign Minister’s statement is likely what a source close to the negotiating delegation said about the existence of talk that the fourth round of strategic dialogue will result in setting a clear timetable this time for the exit of the American combat forces, and the source told “Ultra Iraq” that “the withdrawal schedule may be in the spring of the year.” Next 2022”, which is what the parties opposed to the American presence in Iraq demanded and demanded.

 

[ronscarpa]

57 minutes ago, yota691 said:

"Iraq and America will likely return to the 2008 agreement ...stressing that "the terrorist organization ISIS still poses a threat and we need American intelligence support system">support."

 

Thanks yota691 ... this says it all ...Ron 

Edited July 22, 2021 by ronscarpa

[currenzcraze]

Jerusalem Post  Middle East

Iraq: US set to formalize readjustment of combat mission

By REUTERS   

JULY 23, 2021 00:52

A Kurdish peshmerga fighter takes up position with a rocket-propelled grenade (RPG) launcher at the front line against the Islamic State, in Khazir September 7, 2014. Islamic State launched a lightning advance through northern and central Iraq in June, declaring an Islamic caliphate. With the help o

(photo credit: REUTERS/AHMED JADALLAH)

There are currently 2,500 US troops in Iraq focusing on countering the remnants of Islamic State. The move is not expected to have a major impact.

 

The United States and Iraq are expected to formalize the end of Washington's combat mission in Iraq by the end of the year and continue the transition toward training and advising Iraqi forces, US officials said on Thursday.

 

There are currently 2,500 US troops in Iraq focusing on countering the remnants of Islamic State. The move is not expected to have a major impact since the United States has already moved toward focusing on training Iraqi forces.

 

But the announcement, set to come after President Joe Biden meets his Iraqi counterpart in Washington next week, will be at a politically delicate time for the Iraq government and could be seen as a victory domestically in Baghdad.

 

"The key point that you're going to hear conveyed and I think is just incredibly important, is that the Biden administration wants to stay in Iraq because the Iraqi government has invited us and requested that we continue to do so," a senior defense official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said.

 

"The mission doesn't change ... how we support the Iraqi security forces in the defeat ISIS mission is what we're talking about," the official added.

 

The official said there would be a focus on logistics, maintenance of equipment and helping Iraqi forces further develop their intelligence and surveillance capabilities.

 

At home, Iraqi Prime Minister Mustafa al-Kadhimi faces increasing pressure from Iran-aligned parties and paramilitary groups who perceive him as siding with the United States. 

[GreedyDinar07]

He needs to side with the US because Iraq hasn’t made any progress dealing with Iran and they never will. They hide behind religion but ultimately Iran wants full control of Iraq for their own gain and they don’t give a damn about the Iraqi people. It is all about money and power and there are  crooks in every Country and Government!!! Al-Khemdemi has to win the election and make Iraq a sovereign and independent secure Nation with all of the International support he can get. If not, there will be no RV and no Iraq, just Iran acting as a shadow government telling those losers what to do!!

[Half Crazy Runner]

58 minutes ago, GreedyDinar07 said:

Al-Khemdemi has to win the election

Is he even running? I thought he said he wasn’t going to. I agree though, he’s the best they’ve ever had!

[Laid Back]

“The United States and Iraq are expected to formalize the end of Washington's combat mission in Iraq by the end of the year”

 

Maybe I’m wrong but I believe this means Iraq will be a sovereign nation. With a military force capable of defending their own country.

 

sovereign nation with an international recognized currency by the beginning of 2022.

 

This will give them time to do the elections and tight up all the loose ends by the end of 2021.

Looking through my RV glasses 🤓 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[yota691]

US officials: Our forces' missions in Iraq will end by next December

2021.07.23 - 14:07

 

 

  

Baghdad - people  

US officials said that the United States and Iraq are expected to formally announce the end of the US combat mission in Iraq by the end of this year, and that the two countries will continue the transition process toward providing training and advice to Iraqi forces.  

  

 

  

The Wall Street Journal quoted US and Iraqi officials as saying that an imminent statement would be issued to withdraw US combat forces from Iraq.  

The American newspaper pointed out that the aforementioned officials confirmed that the statement would call for the withdrawal of American combat forces at the end of this year.  

These officials indicated that the US presence in Iraq will focus on assisting government forces. The newspaper pointed out that the joint statement will emphasize the importance of the American presence in the fight against ISIS.  

But the announcement, which is expected to be issued after US President Joe Biden's meeting with his Iraqi counterpart Barham Salih in Washington next week, will be issued at a politically sensitive time for the Iraqi government and may be seen internally in Iraq as a victory.  

"The main point that we will hear and I think is very important is that the Biden administration wants to stay in Iraq because the Iraqi government invited us there and asked us to continue that," said a senior US defense official, who asked not to be named.  

The US defense official added, "The mission has not changed. What we are talking about is how to support the Iraqi security forces in defeating ISIS."  

He explained that "the focus will be on logistical matters, equipment maintenance, and assisting Iraqi forces in developing their capabilities in the intelligence and surveillance sectors."  

  

Ongoing conversations  

On Thursday, an Iraqi delegation began talks in Washington regarding the US military presence in Iraq, and the International Affairs Officer at the US Department of Defense (Pentagon), Mara Carlin, received a delegation headed by Iraqi National Security Adviser Qassem Al-Araji, to discuss "long-term military cooperation" between the two countries. Pentagon spokesman John Kirby said in a statement.  

The spokesman noted that US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin joined the talks to "reaffirm his commitment" to continue the fight against ISIS.  

After US interests in Iraq have been targeted since the beginning of the year with about 50 missile or drone attacks, Austin stressed "the need for the United States and the coalition to be able to assist the Iraqi army in complete safety."  

Talks will continue today, Friday, and will focus in particular on the mission of the American soldiers deployed on Iraqi soil, at a time when fears prevail of an open conflict in Iraq between Baghdad's allies, the United States and Iran.  

Last week in Baghdad, Al-Kazemi discussed with the White House envoy Brett McGurk the withdrawal of "combat forces from Iraq."  

But White House spokeswoman Jen Psaki said Thursday that the Iraqi government "would like the United States and the coalition to continue training and assisting its military, providing logistical support and exchanging information."  

  

fourth round  

For his part, US State Department spokesman Ned Price said that his country's forces are in Iraq at the invitation of the Iraqi government.  

Price added, during a press conference, that the issue will be raised within the fourth round of the strategic dialogue between the two sides today, Friday.  

[yota691]

#Washington and #Baghdad plan to announce the withdrawal of US forces by the end of 2021

ARABIC AND INTERNATIONAL

Now - agencies  July 23, 2021, 1:15 pm  80 views0

 

 

 

The American newspaper "The Wall Street Journal" reported today, that the leadership of the United States and Iraq intend to issue a statement setting the end of this year as a date for the departure of the American "combat" forces from Iraq.

An Iraqi delegation headed by the Iraqi Foreign Minister, Fouad Hussein, had arrived in the United States to participate in the last round of the US-Iraqi "strategic dialogue", which will be held on Friday in Washington.

According to the American newspaper, the US-Iraqi statement will be issued during the visit of Iraqi Prime Minister Mustafa Al-Kazemi to the United States, and his meeting with US President Joe Biden, next Monday.

According to current and former officials, with whom the "Wall Street Journal" spoke, the aim of the statement is to relieve the pressure of the Iraqi resistance factions on Al-Kazemi.

The American newspaper quoted an unnamed American official as saying that the United States plans to fulfill the terms of the statement by redefining the role of some American forces in Iraq, instead of reducing the American presence.

US State Department spokesman Ned Rice stressed, during his press briefing, that the "strategic dialogue" that will be held tomorrow "will determine the future of our forces" in Iraq.

 

 

 

 

[shixjr]

Some folks in Iraq say they want us out of there and our government is saying we are there because they want us there.  Which is it?

[yota691]

Al-Kazemi begins tomorrow a "decisive" visit to Washington... and a close source reveals important details

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{Political: Al-Furat News} Prime Minister Mustafa Al-Kazemi will start tomorrow, Saturday, a visit described as "decisive" to the United States of America to meet with US President Joe Biden next Monday.

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While Al-Kazemi will be the second Arab leader after Jordanian King Abdullah II, to meet Biden at the White House, the files that Al-Kazemi will discuss with Biden and the rest of the American administration are of "critical importance", according to a source close to the Prime Minister's office.
And the source indicated, in a press statement, that "the delegation is 100% technical, because Al-Kazemi focused on the delegation in the Iraqi-American strategic dialogue, and therefore his work is not political but rather technical, trying to discuss matters, opportunities, challenges and partnerships in a professional, technical way, whose first criterion is the Iraqi national interest and the national need for cooperation and partnership." ".
And regarding the military delegation accompanying Al-Kazemi, the source says, “The presence of a number of military leaders in the delegation’s lineup comes in the context that the strategic dialogue will end with a major result for the security sector, which is setting a timetable for the Americans’ withdrawal from Iraq, and the dialogue will expand towards activating joint understandings in light of the strategic framework agreement represented by In returning Iraqi-American relations to the stage before the fall of Mosul in 2014, activating partnership and cooperation programs in training, exchanging intelligence information, and sustaining Iraqi weapons of American origin.
The source believes that "there are important matters that Al-Kazemi will discuss with the American side, such as electricity, whether in terms of partnership in energy rehabilitation programs, attracting investments, and dialogue with General Electric, or in terms of the issue of settlement of financial payments for Iranian gas, the issue of exemption and international sanctions on Iran, in addition to to attract investment in the energy sector.
The source indicated that Al-Kazemi "will return to the relationship with Washington in accordance with previous agreements, at a time when a clear schedule for the American withdrawal from Iraq will be set."
And he indicated that "other contexts in the relationship between the two countries were clarified by the Strategic Framework Agreement, which includes agreement on many issues related to joint cooperation between the two countries."
For his part, Foreign Minister Fouad Hussein, who is accompanying Al-Kazemi on this visit, confirmed that the meeting of the Prime Minister and the US President will discuss the overall relations between the two countries, including not maintaining any US base in Iraq. 
Hussein added, in press statements, that the round of dialogue will witness agreement on scheduling the American withdrawal from all Iraqi lands, noting that the Americans are in Iraqi and not American camps. 
And he indicated that the current US administration understands the situation in Iraq in a way that contradicts the previous administration, pointing out that the two sides may return to the 2008 agreement.

[GreedyDinar07]

Well if Al-khemi wants the US out of Iran by the end of the year and if it happens then Iraq will officially belong to Iran. It will mean that Al-khdemi is another pawn of Iran just like all other Prime Ministers. None of this make sense. The Country is not secure, economically they haven’t made any progress in 18 years and all they are concerned with is the US Military leaving and this is exactly what Iran wants. I smell a rat!! The Iraqi Military can’t even fight off a cold but they want us out. Either Al-khdemi is making a chess move or he works for Iran. If this happens the only thing we have done in the last 18 years is remove a dictator and hand the Country over to Iran. We will have made Iran stronger and they will be laughing all the way to the bank. This is not good at all. The question is, is Biden gullible enough to remove our Military prematurely ,if so, Iraq will go to hell and they will deserve everything coming to them. Iraq was more in compliance when they were under Chapter 7, since they have been removed all they care about is being Iran’s lil bi#%ch while keeping the people stupid and poor under religion just like here in the West!! Let’s just get it over with at least it will come to a conclusion!! What a waste of lives. time, and money.... damn idiots!! This is the main reason I hate religion because they were all started by man and it makes people stupid ass hell while a handful of people get wealthy and tell you to pray!!! Unbelievable!!!

[WheresmyRV?]

9 hours ago, Laid Back said:

“The United States and Iraq are expected to formalize the end of Washington's combat mission in Iraq by the end of the year”

 

Maybe I’m wrong but I believe this means Iraq will be a sovereign nation. With a military force capable of defending their own country.

 

sovereign nation with an international recognized currency by the beginning of 2022.

 

This will give them time to do the elections and tight up all the loose ends by the end of 2021.

Looking through my RV glasses 🤓 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[WheresmyRV?]

If they end up pulling most of our troops out I can see ISIS making a return.

[Rochester]

35 minutes ago, GreedyDinar07 said:

 the people stupid and poor under religion just like here in the West!! Let’s just get it over with at least it will come to a conclusion!! What a waste of lives. time, and money.... damn idiots!! This is the main reason I hate religion because they were all started by man and it makes people stupid ass hell while a handful of people get wealthy and tell you to pray!!! Unbelievable!!!

Oh, religion is the problem? You actually think religion is the source of the problem? Let's see, they removed religion in the Soviet Union and China under communism. Was that a magical solution? Did that work? No religion there. Did that turn into a happy paradise? Oh wait, 100 million murdered under atheism....including one man I talked to, who came to my church when I was young... Go read a book. Atheism as a solution is a fairy tale solution not grounded in reality. Your atheism led to the worst genocide ever. No thanks. I don't support genocide. You should not either. It's immoral.

[GreedyDinar07]

I am not an atheist and I don't support Communism either. I believe you have a right to worship as you please but it becomes a problem when you are brained washed. If you would go read a book you would see that when slavery and murder of some 20 million Africans over a 400 year period was conducted in the US it was done by Christians! When Africans were enslaved in the Middle East it was done by Muslims! If you go back far enough you will see that even some White people were enslaved by Muslims (Ottoman Empire,  and Romans) but nothing like the chattel slavery here in the US!  Ninety five percent of the indigenous people of the US were murder by Christians! I don't need religion to teach me right from wrong. I believe in God just not the traditional way that you do, and just because I don't believe in religion you attacked me and that is what religion does. Divide people!! Just like people have died by the hands of Atheist and Communism they have also died under religion as well! None of it is right!!  It is people doing this and not some mutant popping out of the ground with a tail hanging out of his ass!! In the 1400's the Pope at that time condoned slavery through out Europe....again,,,Religion!! You may be sincere in your religion and that is fine but when you dig deep enough you will see that man is responsible for the atrocities of the world regardless of what religion you believe in. So I guess you believe Jesus is coming back on a cloud to save you right! You have been lied to again my friend! They lie on Jesus until this day saying that he was a white man and Jesus never wrote any of the books in the Bible. They wrote about Jesus 25 to 65 years after he was crucified. I agree with Jesus when he said "My Father who are in Heaven" because man is raising hell here on earth! So you can have your religion, just give me the wealth! 

[Rochester]

12 minutes ago, GreedyDinar07 said:

I am not an atheist and I don't support system" rel="">support Communism either. I believe you have a right to worship as you please but it becomes a problem when you are brained washed. If you would go read a book you would see that when slavery and murder of some 20 million Africans over a 400 year period was conducted in the US it was done by Christians! When Africans were enslaved in the Middle East it was done by Muslims! If you go back far enough you will see that even some White people were enslaved by Muslims (Ottoman Empire,  and Romans) but nothing like the chattel slavery here in the US!  Ninety five percent of the indigenous people of the US were murder by Christians! I don't need religion to teach me right from wrong. I believe in God just not the traditional way that you do, and just because I don't believe in religion you attacked me and that is what religion does. Divide people!! Just like people have died by the hands of Atheist and Communism they have also died under religion as well! None of it is right!!  It is people doing this and not some mutant popping out of the ground with a tail hanging out of his ass!! In the 1400's the Pope at that time condoned slavery through out Europe....again,,,Religion!! You may be sincere in your religion and that is fine but when you dig deep enough you will see that man is responsible for the atrocities of the world regardless of what religion you believe in. So I guess you believe Jesus is coming back on a cloud to save you right! You have been lied to again my friend! They lie on Jesus until this day saying that he was a white man and Jesus never wrote any of the books in the Bible. They wrote about Jesus 25 to 65 years after he was crucified. I agree with Jesus when he said "My Father who are in Heaven" because man is raising hell here on earth! So you can have your religion, just give me the wealth! 

Slavery was in every culture, for all history, including black Africans had slaves. You can't blame Christians, as if they were unique. That would be a big lie. Also the only culture that fought slavery, got rid of it, were the Christians. The Christians have proved to be the most moral of any religion, by far. 

 

95% of indiginous Americans done by Christians?...you say.... bull....go read Guns, Germs and Steel by Jared Diamond, because 95% of indigineous in North America died by diseases they didn't have immunity for, diseases Europeans had immunity to, due to Europeans raising pigs and chickens in barns near their houses in Europe...you lie so much. Shame. 

 

Think deeper. Religion is an attempt to manage bad human impulses....it's not the source of these impulses. The source of those impulses are our evolutionary instincts for harm and aggression. You believe in fairy tales. 

 

I remember going to see Jane Goodal speak a few times, about chimps. Her research showed they sometimes genocided other chimp groups. She was terrified to release those scientific findings because of their implications: our nearest relatives are wired for genocide, so likely so are we. Stop being so shallow. We are wired for this, by nature. 

 

You think religion is a fairy tale? You believe in bigger fairy tales than anyone. 

[GreedyDinar07]

The first thing you said was Africans enslaved Africans but that was a result of tribal wars and selling them to Europeans and I don't negate that fact. It was nothing compared to the chattel slavery that was conducted here in the US. And no that doesn't make it right. Some of you people always try deny your place in history. Like trying to not teach the so called "Critical Race Theory" in public schools. It is a part of history and some of it still go on until this day and you know it!! Yes slavery was a business and still is in some parts of the world which is pure evil!! I was referring to the Indians being whipped out by the Europeans and hell who brought the disease over here? They were doing fine before Columbus set sail and him "discovering" the US was another lie. Yes some were Roman Catholic that settled here. Regardless, their religion didn't stop them from doing evil s#$t!! Read "Before the Mayflower" about how slave owners cut the babies out of pregnant women to put fear in other slaves, feed toddlers to alligators, raped men in front of other slaves to "break the buck", destroyed hundred of black cities that were thriving post slavery, Jim Crow. lynchings, the mass incarceration of blacks was  this not done by Christians and politicians? There is no where in the Bible where Jesus said he was a Christian and the religion was founded after he was crucified but your religion make you beyond reproach and  right about God. You are just as foolish as the religion you believe that was created by MAN!! Stop believing in what man write and believe what God created!! I am not wired for genocide just because Chimps kill each other, maybe you are!! People do evil and good regardless of religion, race or sex. At the end of the day it is all about how you treat yourself and other people. 

[GreedyDinar07]

By the way, Jesus wasn't his real name anyway. That was the name he was given when the Bible was translated from the Hebrew text. 

[luvalife]

Okay... here is my two cents.... History has been altered for hundreds of years to fit the narrative of the bad guys. (Cabal, Illuminati, free masons, rothchilds etc...) that want to control and have been doing so for a VERY long time. More importantly, so has the Bible and the Quran. Most of what you will find and read has been distorted.  I've learned some things that I don't want to discuss here because from what I can tell most wouldn't be able to understand it or handle it.  Not to be a know it all but the truth won't be for everyone.  This forum is not the place.  If you want to argue about it, may i suggest that you dig deep and discover some truth for yourself.... dare to go down the rabbit hole.  If you do, then I welcome the discussion.  Until then, the narrative that CRT is pushing is NOT truth it is simply to divide. (just like everything that is being pushed on us)  It's working well with the sheep that refuse to wake up and realize that they are being used.   You may disagree, if so attack at will I will NOT engage.  Have a fabulous Day and Know that Jesus Loves You! 

[dinarham]

The real truth is relative anyway.

[Rochester]

1 hour ago, GreedyDinar07 said:

 Some of you people always try deny your place in history.

 

Like trying to not teach the so called "Critical Race Theory" in public schools. It is a part of history and some of it still go on until this day and you know it!! Yes slavery was a business and still is in some parts of the world which is pure evil!! I was referring to the Indians being whipped out by the Europeans and hell who brought the disease over here? They were doing fine before Columbus set sail and him "discovering" the US was another lie. Yes some were Roman Catholic that settled here. Regardless, their religion didn't stop them from doing evil s#$t!! Read "Before the Mayflower" about how slave owners cut the babies out of pregnant women to put fear in other slaves, feed toddlers to alligators, raped men in front of other slaves to "break the buck", destroyed hundred of black cities that were thriving post slavery, Jim Crow. lynchings, the mass incarceration of blacks was  this not done by Christians and politicians? There is no where in the Bible where Jesus said he was a Christian and the religion was founded after he was crucified but your religion make you beyond reproach and  right about God. You are just as foolish as the religion you believe that was created by MAN!! Stop believing in what man write and believe what God created!! I am not wired for genocide just because Chimps kill each other, maybe you are!! People do evil and good regardless of religion, race or sex. At the end of the day it is all about how you treat yourself and other people. 

My place in history? What? Because of the color of my skin? I wasn't even alive then. That comment is so racist, it's judging people on skin color, asking them to pay for crimes that happened hundreds of years ago. Stop your racism. Here's how to test your idea: Go to a shopping mall, find a Mom with a young children. Look in the little girl's or boy's eye and say "You are responsible for crimes done hundreds of years before you were born. When you grow up you must pay the price. You will be trained in school to hate yourself, hate your own race. Shame on you kid. You must pay for the crimes of people who share your skin color" 

 

Shame on you, GreedyDinar07, stirring up racist nonsense here. Shame on you. You got some kind of mental problem moving on from things in your past, you can't get over? You just projecting that into your political life, projecting that pain on other people, to make them feel bad, make yourself feel good? That's not a good way to live. 

 

Guys like you look only for the bad, leave out the good. That's how you lie, that's how you try to destroy things. You are just here to tell people in chat, they are all bad and evil. No they are not. That's coming from inside you, not them. Then you say:

 

"At the end of the day it is all about how you treat yourself and other people"...great advice. Take your own advice. You are poisoning chat, you spew such crap. That means you don't treat other people well, you treat them badly.