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TRUMP vs FACEBOOK | Social media giant considering reinstating Trump's account

 

 

 

Dice L
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He needs to Start his own Media, The Trump, Book,  teach the others a lesson.

 

 


 


GUY TERRY
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suckerburg might understand the next election won't be stolen and payback is a beach

 

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TRUMP vs FACEBOOK | Social media giant considering reinstating Trump's account

 

 

 

Dice L
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He needs to Start his own Media, The Trump, Book,  teach the others a lesson.

 

 


 


GUY TERRY
1 hour ago
suckerburg might understand the next election won't be stolen and payback is a beach

 

 

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Facebook’s Oversight Board says Trump ban was appropriate

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Daniel Cooper
Daniel Cooper
·Senior Editor
Wed, May 5, 2021, 9:02 AM
 
 

The Oversight Board, Facebook's so-called supreme court for deciding issues around moderation policy, has decided to offer qualified support for the suspension handed down to former US president Donald Trump. In a statement, the Board said that it was "justified" to restrict access to his account, but that the "indeterminate and standardless penalty" was not. In short, while Facebook acted properly in the short-term, it cannot simply decide to permanently ban a user without a policy explaining why. 

In its findings, the Board said that the "indefinite" suspension was not appropriate because it's not permissible for Facebook to hand out arbitrary bans. Because Facebook has no defined policies and procedure in this area, and indefinite suspensions are not outlined in the company's policies, the Board has called on Facebook to "review this matter" and "justify a proportionate response that is consistent" with the company's rules. It added that Facebook had a responsibility to "create necessary and proportionate penalties" to deal with severe violations of its rules. 

 

On January 6th, 2021, a group of protestors stormed the United States Capitol Building with the reported intention of halting the certification of the 2020 General Election. Trump had, earlier that day, made a speech implying that VP Mike Pence should “do the right thing” by halting the certification. He added that protestors should “fight like hell,” or “you’re not going to have a country anymore.” Not long after, officials would be escorted from the Capitol Building as rioters breached the perimeter, with five people dying in the process. Trump would subsequently post messages that denounced the violence but maintained a position that the certification was invalid. 

 

On January 7th, Facebook and Instagram, as well as a number of other social media outlets, imposed restrictions on the (then) president. The justification was that Trump’s postings could be seen as encouragement for further violence, leading to the temporary ban. Shortly afterward, CEO Mark Zuckerberg wrote that “Trump intends to use his remaining time in office to undermine the peaceful and lawful transition of power to his elected successor.” He added that the ban on accessing his Facebook and Instagram pages would last “indefinitely and at least the next two weeks under the peaceful transition of power is complete.”

 
 

On January 8th, Twitter announced that it would permanently suspend Donald Trump's personal Twitter account "due to the risk of further incitement of violence." The suspension was a watershed, given the number of exceptions that were carved out by multiple platforms beforehand. In the run-up to the 2016 election, and during the presidency, Facebook created an exemption for content that would otherwise violate its acceptable use policies. CEO Mark Zuckerberg said that he didn’t want to be an arbiter of truth, and said that content deemed “newsworthy” would remain online. In mid-2020, the company amended its policy, saying that it would "label" content that violated its policy rather than remove it — although it did remove a Trump post from mid-2020 under the aegis of stamping out COVID-19 misinformation.

On January 21st, Facebook referred the case, number 2020-001-FB-FBR to the Oversight Board both to rule on the suspension, and also to offer “policy recommendations from the Board on suspensions where the user is a political leader.” Specifically, Facebook submitted the following two questions:

  1. Considering Facebook's values, specifically its commitment to voice and safety, did it correctly decide on January 7, 2021, to prohibit Donald J. Trump's access to posting content on Facebook and Instagram for an indefinite amount of time?

  2. In addition to the board's determination on whether to uphold or overturn the indefinite suspension, Facebook welcomes observations or recommendations from the Board about suspensions when the user is a political leader. 

The Oversight Board said that a five-person panel would investigate and decide on the matter, and that decision was subsequently ratified by a majority of members. Facebook, at the time, said that it would abide by the decision, and is bound to implement the decision within seven days. Trump has, in the meantime, developed his own platform as an extension of his own website, which we can publish to without fear of moderation. 

The Board had, initially, committed to making its decision within 90 days of the referral, which put the deadline at April 21st. On April 16th, however, it said that it would need to delay the judgment in order to review “all comments” made on the case, since it received 9,666 through the consultation period. On Monday, May 3rd, it announced that the decision would be published at 9am ET on May 5th

In its judgment, the Board said that it agreed that the posts Trump made in the aftermath of the Capitol Riot "severely violated" Facebook's community standards. It said that Trump's remarks praising the rioters "violated Facebook's rules prohibiting praise or support of people engaged in violence." It added that by baselessly perpetuating the claim that the election's results were fraudulent, "Mr. Trump created an environment where a serious risk of violence was possible." 

Facebook’s detractors have said that whatever the Oversight Board decides, the whole affair has been a public-relations move. The Real Oversight Board, a group that represents several of the social network’s critics, said that the ruling was a “smokescreen.” In a statement, published Monday, it said that the board is a “Facebook-paid, Facebook-appointed body created by Facebook to use to launder its most politically sensitive decisions.” It added that “Trump has violated Facebook’s terms of service repeatedly, incited hate, spread disinformation, fomented violence and been used as a model for other authoritarian leaders to abuse Facebook. He should be banned forever.”

In the wake of the decision, the Real Oversight Board asked "what is the point of the Oversight Board?" It added that today's announcement is a "desperate attempt to have it both ways, upholding the 'ban' of Donald Trump without actually banning him, while punting any real decisions back to Facebook." 

The Oversight Board seems to agree on that point, saying that "In applying a vague, standardless penalty and then referring this case to the Board to resolve, Facebook seeks to avoid its responsibilities." It added that it "declines Facebook's request and insists that Facebook apply and justify a defined penalty." It has given the social network six months to conduct a review of its actions in this matter and the gaps in its policies. In addition, the Board recommends that political speech needs to be moderated by "specialized staff who are familiar with the linguistic and political context" who are both properly resourced and protected from political, economic and internal interference

Interestingly, as well as criticizing Facebook's conduct in this affair, the Board also said that Facebook's exceptions made toward notable individuals may not be helpful. In the judgment, it said "It is not always useful to draw a firm distinction between political leaders and other influential users, recognizing that other users with large audiences can also contribute to serious risks of harm." It added that Facebook needed to "address widespread confusion about how decisions relating to influential users are made." 

The Oversight Board has also called for Facebook to conduct a "comprehensive review" of its contribution to the narrative of electoral fraud. "This should be an open reflection on the design and policy choices that Facebook has made that may allow its platform to be abused."

Sir Nick Clegg, Facebook's VP of Global Affairs, has already penned a response saying that Facebook is "pleased the board has recognized that the unprecedented circumstances justified the exceptional measure we took." He added that Facebook will now consider the Board's criticism concerning the seemingly arbitrary nature of the penalty, and will "carefully review [the Board's] recommendations."

It is now on Facebook to determine the best course of action, and if it will eventually restore Donald Trump's access. 

 

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/facebook-oversight-board-decision-trump-suspension-ban-130251901.html

 

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Trump rails on tech companies after Facebook ruling

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Nick Niedzwiadek
Wed, May 5, 2021, 6:45 AM
 
 

Former President Donald Trump lashed out at tech giants Wednesday, saying they must “pay a political price” hours after a Facebook panel upheld his suspension from its social media platform.

“Free Speech has been taken away from the President of the United States because the Radical Left Lunatics are afraid of the truth, but the truth will come out anyway, bigger and stronger than ever before,” stated Trump, who left office in January and has perpetuated falsehoods that the election was stolen from him.

“These corrupt social media companies must pay a political price, and must never again be allowed to destroy and decimate our Electoral Process,” he continued.

 

Trump also roped in Twitter and Google to his missive, calling them a “total disgrace and an embarrassment to our Country.”

Facebook’s oversight board announced Wednesday that Trump’s account ought to stay suspended while knocking the company for its “arbitrary” decision to kick him off the platform indefinitely. Trump was booted from Facebook and other major platforms in the wake of the Jan. 6 Capitol riots by his supporters attempting to block Congress from certifying now-President Joe Biden’s electoral victory.

Trump's continued exile from the platform also denies him a powerful donor-cultivation tool to target grassroots conservatives.

Shortly after it was sent to reporters and others via email, Trump's statement was posted on the blog his team launched on Tuesday as an alternative way to communicate with his followers. However it is limited in scope and is a far cry from a rival platform to Twitter and Facebook.

The statement was the former president’s second of the day, coming after another broadside at “Warmonger” Rep. Liz Cheney that also lumped in Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and his own vice president — Mike Pence.

Minutes after his tech-centric message, Trump issued yet another statement condemning Cheney and formally endorsing Rep. Elise Stefanik (R-N.Y.) to supplant her as the No. 3 House Republican.

 

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-rails-tech-companies-facebook-104505870.html

 

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Trumpland thought he’d get back on Facebook. Now, they’re anxious and scrambling.

Meridith McGraw
Wed, May 5, 2021, 11:28 AM
 
 

Republicans on Wednesday expressed outrage over news that Donald Trump’s Facebook suspension would remain in place for the time being. Privately, many of them, including some close to the former president, were panicked.

The ruling by the Facebook oversight board meant that Trump would remain off the platform for the foreseeable future and, perhaps, well beyond should the company make the ban permanent. In practical terms, the main driver of Republican Party enthusiasm would be less omnipresent in voters’ lives — a reality that sparked fear for some GOP operatives. As for Trump, he would remain without one of the great money-raising spigots in all of politics as his political operation geared up for a possible 2024 run.

“This is a huge decision, makes it infinitely harder for him to raise money,” conceded a person close to the Trump operation. “Facebook was the main way he raised money. He’s now going to have to spend far more in the future to find other ways to raise money … It was the main way he found donors.”

 

Trump’s official line in response to the ruling showed no concern over the financial ramifications of it, though some anxiety about how it could impact his ability to communicate with his hordes of followers. He accused Facebook, Twitter, and Google of taking away his free speech, called them “corrupt” and demanded that they “pay a political price.”

But it was clear that money matters were on his team’s mind. Shortly after the official statement was released, the Trump operation blasted out a text message to its list calling the Facebook ban “NONSENSE” but also asking for money. “I want a list of all donors sent to my office,” the text read.

Not everyone in the party felt that Trump would end up in a worse place because of the continued Facebook ban. The president still has one of the biggest email lists in politics even if it will atrophy without access to the country’s largest social media platforms. And in the tech industry, he has a bête noire to rail against. Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said the Facebook decision would ultimately help Trump by making him a tech “martyr.”

“Do you want a communist Chinese style control over your voice or American style openness? We’ll see whether Biden sides with the Chinese communists or with the American people,” Gingrich said.

Elsewhere, Republicans argued that keeping Trump off Facebook would be good for the party, even if (or perhaps because) it would be “devastating” for Trump.

“It makes it more difficult for him and it gives everyone from Tim Scott to Nikki Haley to Mike Pompeo to Ted Cruz the ability to go out and begin to win over the Trump donors and voters that exist in a vacuum that Trump is not filling,” said one top GOP operative.

Already, GOP groups like the National Republican Senatorial Committee are running Facebook ads keying off Trump’s battle with “Big Tech” — a sign the party sees the flap as a strong opportunity to engage supporters and that Trump’s visage remains one of the best ways to draw in donors on Facebook.

But Trump himself can’t tap that universe, at least for the time being. And other Republicans feared that MAGA fanatics would become less engaged politically as Trump grew more remote in their lives. “Fundraising begets fundraising so him raising money helps,” said a separate top GOP operative who is working on congressional races this cycle.

Trump’s suspension from Facebook came after the Capitol riot in early January. Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg announced the president would be indefinitely off the platform because he’d used it to “incite violent insurrection against a democratically elected government.” But the social media giant also referred its decision to the company’s independent oversight board for a review and allowed for Trump to make his case against a ban.

A statement submitted on Trump’s behalf by the American Center for Law and Justice claimed Trump called for supporters to be “peaceful and law abiding” and went on to say there was a “total absence of any serious linkage between the Trump speech and the Capitol building incursion.”

A content director for the board said the argument from Trump’s team was “replete with falsehoods." And after the announcement of the oversight board’s decision to punt back to Facebook, a spokesperson for the social media platform said the company stood by the decision to keep Trump accounts offline.

In the absence of Facebook and Twitter, Trump has continued to share his opinions on everything from the Academy Awards to Republican politics on friendly news show interviews and in statements dictated to aides and distributed to the public via email. On Tuesday, he launched a blog on his own website. But aides acknowledge he no longer has the same reach.

Alternative social platforms have been discussed by aides, but so far none have been backed by Trump or shared publicly. Trump’s team had anticipated Facebook would let him back on the site, and a person close to Trump said the company’s decision would only mean a “more aggressive timeline” for the development of a new social media platform.

“The model [for fundraising] that has been used to date has been a Facebook-related model, but Trump has one of the largest databases of emails and phone numbers of any political operation in modern times and so it’s a matter of deploying that in a different way,” the person said. “So while it would be a short term disadvantage it would be a long term advantage.”

With over 32 million followers, Trump had the third-largest political following on Facebook behind former president Barack Obama and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi. His page was one of the most powerful platforms on the internet. In the final months of last year’s election, the Donald Trump Facebook page dwarfed not just Joe Biden’s page but the pages of many media outlets in total interactions by about a factor of ten.

Trump used his oversize presence on Facebook to not only amplify his message but to tap into a vast network of grassroots, small dollar donors. Advertising on Facebook was a major focus of his 2020 campaign effort, with nearly $140 million spent on the platform.

For Democrats, Facebook was more than a nuisance in 2020; it was a problem — not because of Trump’s ability to tap donors through it but because of the pervasiveness with which disinformation spread on it. The Biden campaign openly clashed with Facebook last fall. Campaign manager Jen O'Malley Dillon wrote in a letter to Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg in September, calling the social network “the nation’s foremost propagator of disinformation about the voting process.” She added that: "Facebook’s continued promise of future action is serving as nothing more than an excuse for inaction."

Biden aides felt at liberty to publicly chide the company at will. So too did the boss. “I’ve never been a fan of Facebook, as you probably know. I’ve never been a big Zuckerberg fan. I think he’s a real problem,” Biden told The New York Times editorial board in 2019.

The oversight board’s decision on Tuesday didn’t spark praise among Democrats, who continued to argue that the company itself should have acted far sooner and more decisively. But they did view it as a potentially major development in the political landscape.

"Trump used Facebook to organize his supporters and fundraise, and Twitter to talk to media,” said Nu Wexler, a former Facebook staffer and Democratic operative. “Getting locked out of Facebook ads is a bigger punishment than any restrictions on his political speech."

For conservatives eager to make tech a bogeyman in upcoming elections, Trump’s suspension from Facebook and permanent ban from Twitter has only escalated their threats — ranging from lawsuits by conservative organizations to antitrust enforcement by Congress.

Trump, too, has argued for going after major tech companies by removing forms of legal shields that they enjoy for the content posted on them. Whether he will be in a position of power to affect that policy is less clear. He has not made any announcements about a run in 2024, and his indecision has held other presidential hopefuls hostage as they try to build out early operations. But Facebook’s decision may have already handicapped Trump’s future plans.

“It's a huge blow to his fundraising and ability to communicate with the masses,” said Mike Nellis, a Democratic digital strategist who was a senior adviser to Vice President Kamala Harris’ presidential campaign. It’s “going to make it very difficult to make a comeback.”

 

https://news.yahoo.com/infinitely-harder-trumpland-fears-facebook-152827817.html

 

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HuffPost

Twitter Thwarts Trump's Latest Attempt To Get Back On Platform, Bans New Account

 
 
Jenna Amatulli
·Reporter, HuffPost
Thu, May 6, 2021, 11:08 AM
 
 

Former President Donald Trump’s most recent attempt to get a platform has been upended.

On the heels of the launch of his new webpage, “From the Desk of Donald J. Trump,” on Wednesday, the former president’s team created the handle @DJTDesk on Twitter. By Wednesday night, the account had been suspended.

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“As stated in our ban evasion policy, we’ll take enforcement action on accounts whose apparent intent is to replace or promote content affiliated with a suspended account,” a spokesperson for Twitter said in a statement.

Trump’s “From the Desk” page is essentially a blog with a timeline format that resembles both Twitter and Facebook’s platforms. In the site’s brief life thus far, Trump has made a series of scattered, combative posts attacking the likes of Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.). He also lambasted Twitter, Facebook and Google by name.

 

“What Facebook, Twitter, and Google have done is a total disgrace and an embarrassment to our Country,” Trump wrote in a post on Wednesday. “Free Speech has been taken away from the President of the United States because the Radical Left Lunatics are afraid of the truth, but the truth will come out anyway, bigger and stronger than ever before. The People of our Country will not stand for it! These corrupt social media companies must pay a political price, and must never again be allowed to destroy and decimate our Electoral Process.”

Both Facebook and Twitter banned Trump from their platforms in the wake of the Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, which left several people dead.

Twitter penned a blog post about its permanent suspension of Trump, saying it did so “due to the risk of further incitement of violence.”

“In the context of horrific events this week, we made it clear on Wednesday that additional violations of the Twitter Rules would potentially result in this very course of action,” the company wrote. “Our public interest framework exists to enable the public to hear from elected officials and world leaders directly. It is built on a principle that the people have a right to hold power to account in the open.”

Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg slammed the insurrection as a demonstration by Trump to “use his remaining time in office to undermine the peaceful and lawful transition of power to his elected successor, Joe Biden.”

“We believe the risks of allowing the President to continue to use our service during this period are simply too great,” Zuckerberg wrote in a Facebook post at the time. “Therefore, we are extending the block we have placed on his Facebook and Instagram accounts indefinitely and for at least the next two weeks until the peaceful transition of power is complete.”

As Facebook’s ban was “indefinite” and not permanent, Facebook’s quasi-independent advisory board said this week that it would be giving the company a six-month window to further review Trump’s suspension, and to “determine and justify a proportionate response that is consistent with the rules that are applied to other users of its platform.”

HuffPost has reached out to Twitter for further comment.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/twitter-trump-djtdesk-150844361.html

 

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Censorship.  Kill any and all opposition.  

 

Do you believe at some point the Consevatives will regain control of the House and Senate.  When that happens do you think Censorship of the Progressive/Liberal opposition to the Conservatives is fair game.  

 

I personally believe all opposition should be heard.  Censorship is unAmerican in my opinion.  

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3 hours ago, ladyGrace'sDaddy said:

ONLY COMMUNIST BELIEVE THAT BANNING PEOPLE FROM PUBLIC DISCOURSE IS GOOD. 

 

Plus from me....as I know first hand what it feels like to be targeted for banishment on social media....can't say it was by communists, but it was exactly as you describe above....sooooo

 

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2 hours ago, Shabibilicious said:

 

Plus from me....as I know first hand what it feels like to be targeted for banishment on social media....can't say it was by communists, but it was exactly as you describe above....sooooo

 

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Precisely why you and I are Brothers, I believe you, and everyone else, has a right to their opinions. 

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