QAnon's Corrosive Impact On The U.S.

[Karsten]

44 minutes ago, patrickgold said:

No matter what we present, from articles, videos or even a conversationthe the left will never accept.  Unfortunately it will be to late, the snake will bite. 

 

 

I would agree but I am from a Different Mind Set.....All Snakes are Venomous and want to Bite your Ass......00 Buck out of a 12 Gauge seems to work just fine for me.......Some folks here most likely will consider that a threat.....I guess it is all on their out look on life and just how low that want to crawl. 

 

Karsten

[MyLadiesDaddy]

11 hours ago, coorslite21 said:

 

So yes.....this election was flawed and corrupt.....if you are willing to look at it with an open mind

" Open Mind", Heck anyone with an ounce of morality and two functional brain cells knows what happened. 

[MyLadiesDaddy]

10 hours ago, Karsten said:

 

 

I would agree but I am from a Different Mind Set.....All Snakes are Venomous and want to Bite your Ass......00 Buck out of a 12 Gauge seems to work just fine for me.......Some folks here most likely will consider that a threat.....I guess it is all on their out look on life and just how low that want to crawl. 

 

Karsten

America needs much more than THREATS, we need actions. 

It's time to remove the evil Luciferians with EXTREME PREJUDICE. Anyone wishing to defend them and or protect them must suffer their fate. 

 

That's how our Founding Fathers did it. 

[Shabibilicious]

What Des Moines religious leaders have to say about QAnon's influence

 

Jason Clayworth

Tue, June 8, 2021, 7:20 AM

 

 

A recent poll suggests QAnon's bogus conspiracy theories are taking root in churches across the U.S., and some religious officials in Des Moines say they've seen an uptick in the number of people who believe the wildly inaccurate claims.

Why it matters: The spread of false narratives around the government, media and other institutions cultivates distrust, particularly at a flashpoint in our country as we try to recover from the pandemic.

 

By the numbers: 15% of Americans agree with the QAnon allegation that "the government, media, and financial worlds in the U.S. are controlled by a group of Satan-worshipping pedophiles who run a global child sex trafficking operation," according to the survey.

• Hispanic Protestants (26%) and white evangelical Protestants (25%) were more likely to agree with the QAnon philosophies than other groups, Axios' Mike Allen reported. Black Protestants were 15%, white Catholics were 11% and white mainline Protestants were 10%.

• The online poll taken by Ipsos in March for the Public Religion Research Institute and Interfaith Youth Core involved a sample size of 5,625 U.S. adults. It has a margin of error of ±1.5%.

Catch up quick: Q emerged about four years ago and hooked people with its video game-like structure.

• Its theories were amplified by followers of President Trump during last year's elections.

• The group has no headquarters or public leader and the FBI views it as a domestic terror threat.

What they're saying: Religious leaders in Des Moines are not actively promoting Q, the Family Leader’s Danny Carroll told Axios.

• Yes, but: "There’s an echo chamber" among some congregations who promote versions of QAnon conspiracy theories, including about last year's election, Brad Crowell, an associate professor of religious studies at Drake told Axios.

• Religious leaders have a moral obligation to denounce false narratives because “it’s not OK to have your own made-up facts or behave abominably against others,” Rev. Amy Petrie Shaw of the First Unitarian Church of Des Moines said.

Of note: Doug Jensen, a Des Moines resident who allegedly led insurrectionists into the U.S. Capitol in January while sporting a QAnon shirt, asked Monday to be released from jail, claiming he's a victim of multiple conspiracy theories.

 

https://news.yahoo.com/des-moines-religious-leaders-qanons-112050249.html

 

GO RV, then BV

[nstoolman1]

Most churches are a 501c Corp and have to be careful of what they say or lose "non profit org" status. 

 

[coorslite21]

1 hour ago, Shabibilicious said:

What Des Moines religious leaders have to say about QAnon's influence

 

Jason Clayworth

Tue, June 8, 2021, 7:20 AM

 

 

A recent poll suggests QAnon's bogus conspiracy theories are taking root in churches across the U.S., and some religious officials in Des Moines say they've seen an uptick in the number of people who believe the wildly inaccurate claims.

Why it matters: The spread of false narratives around the government, media and other institutions cultivates distrust, particularly at a flashpoint in our country as we try to recover from the pandemic.

 

By the numbers: 15% of Americans agree with the QAnon allegation that "the government, media, and financial worlds in the U.S. are controlled by a group of Satan-worshipping pedophiles who run a global child sex trafficking operation," according to the survey.

• Hispanic Protestants (26%) and white evangelical Protestants (25%) were more likely to agree with the QAnon philosophies than other groups, Axios' Mike Allen reported. Black Protestants were 15%, white Catholics were 11% and white mainline Protestants were 10%.

• The online poll taken by Ipsos in March for the Public Religion Research Institute and Interfaith Youth Core involved a sample size of 5,625 U.S. adults. It has a margin of error of ±1.5%.

Catch up quick: Q emerged about four years ago and hooked people with its video game-like structure.

• Its theories were amplified by followers of President Trump during last year's elections.

• The group has no headquarters or public leader and the FBI views it as a domestic terror threat.

What they're saying: Religious leaders in Des Moines are not actively promoting Q, the Family Leader’s Danny Carroll told Axios.

• Yes, but: "There’s an echo chamber" among some congregations who promote versions of QAnon conspiracy theories, including about last year's election, Brad Crowell, an associate professor of religious studies at Drake told Axios.

• Religious leaders have a moral obligation to denounce false narratives because “it’s not OK to have your own made-up facts or behave abominably against others,” Rev. Amy Petrie Shaw of the First Unitarian Church of Des Moines said.

Of note: Doug Jensen, a Des Moines resident who allegedly led insurrectionists into the U.S. Capitol in January while sporting a QAnon shirt, asked Monday to be released from jail, claiming he's a victim of multiple conspiracy theories.

 

https://news.yahoo.com/des-moines-religious-leaders-qanons-112050249.html

 

GO RV, then BV

Always love the way you highlight polls.......they are always so accurate!

[Shabibilicious]

Almost a third of GOP voters believe Trump could be reinstated as president this year

 

 

Brigid Kennedy, Contributing Writer

Wed, June 9, 2021, 10:41 AM

 

 

Almost a third of Republican voters believe it is "at least somewhat likely" that former President Donald Trump will be reinstated to the presidency later this year, a new Morning Consult and Politico survey shows. Of that 29 percent, 17 percent believe a 2021 reappointment to be "very likely."

 

Poll.

Morning Consult

That such a "sizable minority" of Republicans discredit President Biden's win suggests Trump's claims of widespread election fraud have had a very significant "electoral and political impact," Morning Consult writes. The former president's so-called "big lie" coupled with the Jan. 6 Capitol insurrection may have actually undermined Americans' faith in U.S. democracy on both sides of the political spectrum. Over three-quarters of surveyed voters — 77 percent — believe American democracy is currently being threatened. When sorted by party, 77 percent of Democrats and 82 percent of Republicans report feeling that the "world's oldest continuous democracy is at risk."

 

Poll.

Morning Consult.

 

Morning Consult and Politico surveyed 1,990 registered voters between June 4-7, 2021. Results have a margin of error of 2 percentage points. See more results at Morning Consult.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/almost-third-gop-voters-believe-144130271.html

 

GO RV, then BV

[Shabibilicious]

Capitol riot suspect blames 'pack of lies,' seeks release

 

FILE - This photo provided by Polk County, Iowa Jail shows Douglas Jensen. Jensen, pictured prominently with a QAnon shirt ahead of a crowd of insurgents inside the U.S. Capitol during the Jan. 6, 2021 attack, is asking a judge to release him from jail saying "he feels deceived, recognizing that he bought into a pack of lies," in a in a Monday, June 7, 2021 court filing. (Polk County Jail via AP File)

 

DAVID PITT

Mon, June 7, 2021, 5:48 PM

 

 

DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) — A Des Moines, Iowa, man pictured prominently with a QAnon shirt ahead of a crowd of insurgents inside the U.S. Capitol during the Jan. 6 attack asked a judge on Monday to release him from jail, saying "he feels deceived, recognizing that he bought into a pack of lies.”

Douglas Jensen, in a document filed by his attorney, said he believed he was a “true patriot” for going to Washington at the urging of President Donald Trump. He said his intention was to only observe.

Jensen claims he is “a victim of numerous conspiracy theories that were being fed to him over the internet by a number of very clever people, who were uniquely equipped with slight, if any, moral or social consciousness.”

Jensen's attorney Christopher Davis said in the document that Jensen was not part of any mob and simply went to Washington to watch. Davis acknowledged Jensen was in front of a crowd but argued he did that “for the now disclosed silly reason” to show his QAnon shirt to get it recognized.

 

Davis said Jensen neither threatened physical harm to anyone nor destroyed property. Jensen had his work pocketknife on him for protection when he went to the Trump rally preceding the march to the Capitol, Davis said in the court filing.

Video and photographs of Jensen have been widely distributed, showing him wearing a QAnon shirt as he pursued Capitol Police officer Eugene Goodman as a mob follows them up the stairs inside the Capitol.

Davis said Jensen has been in custody since he turned himself in on Jan. 9, “languishing in a DC Jail cell, locked down most of the time, he feels deceived, recognizing that he bought into a pack of lies.”

Jensen is scheduled to appear at an arraignment Tuesday before a federal judge in Washington.

In February, federal prosecutors upgraded the charges filed against him to include entering a restricted building with a dangerous weapon and disorderly or disruptive conduct in a restricted building with a dangerous weapon. Other counts include civil disorder, obstruction of an official proceeding, assaulting or impeding officers, disorderly conduct in a Capitol building and parading, demonstrating or picketing a Capitol building.

Obstructing an official proceeding carries a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison.

Jensen, 41, was arrested and jailed in Des Moines two days after he returned home from Washington and saw images of himself in television coverage. He was ordered by a judge to be transferred from Iowa to Washington to be held on the charges.

Court records suggest Jensen may be working toward a plea agreement with federal prosecutors.

The court document describes Jensen as the product of a dysfunctional childhood and said he doesn't fully understand the reasons he was pulled into the QAnon conspiracy. It speculates he could have been influenced by a mid-life crisis, the pandemic, “or perhaps the message just seemed to elevate him from his ordinary life to an exalted status with an honorable goal.”

His love and concern for his family was a “wakeup call that ended his victimization,” Davis said in the court filing.

He asked for Jensen to be released to get his affairs in order. He said Jensen's wife is willing to drive him home to Des Moines, where he would remain under house arrest.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/capitol-riot-suspect-blames-pack-214825071.html

 

GO RV, then BV

[nstoolman1]

He learned well. Blame blame blame everybody but his own stupidity

[Shabibilicious]

13 minutes ago, nstoolman1 said:

He learned well. Blame blame blame everybody but his own stupidity

 

Absolutely agree with your post.....Q and DJT's "Big Lie" has driven many folks to stupidity....and now some of them are paying for it.

 

GO RV, then BV

[Markinsa]

1 hour ago, Shabibilicious said:

"Big Lie"

 

FYI

 

 

The German expression was coined by Adolf Hitler, when he dictated his 1925 book Mein Kampf, to describe the use of a lie so "colossal" that no one would believe that someone "could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously."

 

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[nstoolman1]

5 hours ago, Shabibilicious said:

 

Absolutely agree with your post.....Q and DJT's "Big Lie" has driven many folks to stupidity....and now some of them are paying for it.

 

GO RV, then BV

You don't get to put words in my mouth. This man is the stupid one, gets caught and blames someone else. It is not a Big Lie until proven so. So much non partisan evidence to prove it though. 

Trump never said to go to Congress and violently trespass or commit violence. 

He said to peacefully protest and let your voices be heard.

[Karsten]

35 minutes ago, nstoolman1 said:

You don't get to put words in my mouth. This man is the stupid one, gets caught and blames someone else. It is not a Big Lie until proven so. So much non partisan evidence to prove it though. 

Trump never said to go to Congress and violently trespass or commit violence. 

He said to peacefully protest and let your voices be heard.

 

How soon the Left forgets the Words of Made Maxie and she calls for Violence, the Squad and their calls for Violence, Riots, Burning and Destruction......The Left calling Portland a Peaceful Protest and the List could go on and on but Trump lives rent Free in so many liberal heads they can't cope and even believe trump could not Have done What the Lame Stream media Claims he did........

 

Sad State America is spirally down into.......They wont be happy until there is nothing left to save.

 

Karsten

[Shabibilicious]

15 hours ago, nstoolman1 said:

You don't get to put words in my mouth. This man is the stupid one, gets caught and blames someone else. It is not a Big Lie until proven so. So much non partisan evidence to prove it though. 

Trump never said to go to Congress and violently trespass or commit violence. 

He said to peacefully protest and let your voices be heard.

 

Well, he learned his stupidity from somebody spewing election fraud speculation....otherwise he wouldn't have been in D.C. at all.....I suppose it's possible he learned it second hand from a Q and or Big Lie aficionado, other than directly from DJT's words.  Not my intention to make you feel like I put words in your mouth, nstoolman. 

 

GO RV, then BV

[boosterbglee]

Trump, Trump, Trump🇺🇸

[Shabibilicious]

 

 

GO RV, then BV

[patrickgold]

13 hours ago, boosterbglee said:

Trump, Trump, Trump🇺🇸

Love it!!!

It scares the liberals that so many people/patriots still support him!!!

They look to the person who tells the truth, not lies.

[Shabibilicious]

 

GO RV, then BV

[Pitcher]

Keep talking about Trump  because Biden is the worst President EVER!!!!

 

Trump is out of office.  Let’s talk about Biden’s Economy, Inflation. Crime, Open Borders, Higher Taxes, His Rape Accusation, His Mental decline, His surrender to the far Left Socialist Policies, Giving people unemployment when they should be working, his inability to stop cyber crime.  

 

Pick one Leftists, or choose one of hundreds more that are available on Biden and his Socialist Dem Party.  

 

Ewwww, Trump, Trump, Trump, 

[Shabibilicious]

QAnon followers think a cicada landing on Biden may be a veiled communication from Q

Cheryl Teh

Thu, June 10, 2021, 11:12 PM

 

 

 

Followers of the QAnon movement are pointing to an incident where a cicada landed on Joe Biden's neck at Andrews Air Force Base in Maryland. They are saying the insect landing on him may be coded "comms" from the mysterious "Q." Robert Nickelsberg/Getty Images

• The QAnon world is bugging out about something new - cicadas landing on President Biden.

• A post on a 225,000-member QAnon Telegram chat said the insects landing on Biden may be "comms" from Q.

• This is because the cicadas spend 17 years underground, and Q is the 17th letter of the alphabet.

Some QAnon conspiracy theorists are fixating on the fact that one of the Brood X cicadas landed on President Biden, with some believing that the insect was a coded message from the mysterious "Q."

A June 9 video of Biden swatting away a cicada that landed on his neck circulated on QAnon forums and group chats. This led some followers to wonder if this was a sign from "Q," who they believe is a shadowy government insider who is exposing top-level secrets in information drops called "comms."

QAnon is a baseless far-right conspiracy theory that claims former President Donald Trump is secretly fighting a "deep state" cabal of satanic pedophiles and cannibals.

A post in a 225,000 strong QAnon Telegram chat We The Media read: "JOE BIDEN BITTEN BY A CICADA - COMMS? Just so happens that Cicadas nymphs emerge after a 17-year childhood underground!!! What? CHILD? UNDERGROUND? 17?"

The post draws parallels between the 17 years that Brood X cicadas spend living underground, implying that this timeframe is somehow linked to Q. The number "17" is often used in QAnon circles because Q is the 17th letter of the alphabet. It also references the "underground," a baseless belief that QAnon supporters hold that there is a hidden network of pedophiles that "Q" - and Trump - will one day expose.

However, it is common knowledge that the emergence of cicada swarms is a natural phenomenon that occurs once every 17 years. The current swarm, Brood X, is one of the largest broods so far.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/qanon-followers-think-cicada-landing-031235943.html

 

GO RV, then BV

[Pitcher]

That’s what I thought.  Can’t or won’t defend Biden.  How can you.  

 

Carry on Trump Trump Trump.  

 

Pathetic paid shill

[Shabibilicious]

Heffernan: Reports of QAnon's death aren't exaggerated

 

 

Virginia Heffernan

Fri, June 11, 2021, 6:00 AM

 

 

 

A QAnon sign at a protest rally in Olympia, Wash., last year. (Ted S. Warren / Associated Press)

QAnon is hardly the first conspiracy theory to sweep the nation.

What QAnon calls the Deep State was once known as “the hidden government behind a government.”

Where QAnon says that John F. Kennedy Jr. faked his death, past fantasists of yore believed that John Belushi’s death by overdose was a government hit.

And when QAnon followers spin yarns about a phantom cabal of satanic cannibals and sex traffickers, twisted liars of the 1850s and 1860s warned of satanic bankers and Catholics who also drank blood and abused children.

 

That’s why QAnon, who made a messiah out of former President Trump, was always bound to lose steam. It will follow the arc of furious, loopy-loo American conspiracy theories that have existed since before the Civil War. Cults like QAnon burn bright, and they fade fast.

QAnon’s demise, in fact, is well underway. Its leader, Q, a figure from the internet’s dark side, is now widely suspected to be the creation of Jim and Ron Watkins. The Watkins men are a seedy father-son duo in Asia who serve up pornography and hate speech online.

If the Watkins hypothesis is true, it means that Q is not exactly the patriotic, principled avenger crusading against sex trafficking that his followers have put their faith in.

Q has also been silent for seven months. The cryptic things Q used to post, tone poems that served as Rorschach tests for his followers’ projections, have stopped appearing. They no longer headline the rave at 8kun, the horrifying online image board, administered by Ron Watkins, where they first appeared.

QAnon’s prophecies have been abysmal failures. Early on, Q claimed “the storm” would take place on Nov. 3, 2017. Nothing extraordinary happened. He also repeatedly prophesied that Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) would quit the U.S. Senate. McCain served until he died in 2018.

Q insisted that President Trump’s enemies would commit mass suicide on Feb. 10, 2018. Nope. Finally “the storm” was again prophesied, this time for President Biden’s inauguration day, on Jan. 20. Zip.

That’s when Ron Watkins, who denies playing a part in the Q phenomenon, posted this to Telegram: "We gave it our all. Now we need to keep our chins up and go back to our lives as best we are able."

Daniel J. Jones, president of Advance Democracy, an organization that tracks extremist groups online, summed up the late January situation this way: "After years of waiting for the 'Great Awakening,' QAnon adherents seemed genuinely shocked to see President Biden successfully inaugurated. A significant percentage online are writing that they are now done with the QAnon."

Of course, the one historic event that QAnon did help catalyze didn’t end well for the participants. On Jan. 6, Trump zealots, some in Q shirts or waving Q flags, stormed the U.S. Capitol.

As of last Friday, according to the Justice Department, some 465 people have been arrested for that attack. A court filing indicated that the government expects to charge nearly 100 more.

Many defendants intend to claim they were brainwashed. Albert Watkins (no relation to Ron and Jim), the lawyer for the pelt-wearing insurrectionist Jacob Chansley, aka the QAnon Shaman, says his client fell into the clutches of a cult.

“He is not crazy,” Watkins told the Associated Press last month. “The people who fell in love with [cult leader] Jim Jones and went down to Guyana, they had husbands and wives and lives. And then they drank the Kool-Aid.”

QAnoners who are still on board aren’t sure what any of it means anymore. Some have stopped talking about Trump and now just preach antisemitism. Others urge supporters to take on debt because somehow the future belongs to cryptocurrency and the Iraqi dinar. Orthodox Q types, whose numbers are diminishing, are presumably still waiting for tribunals for Trump’s enemies and, of course, the storm.

But then late last month, pro-Trump lawyer Sidney Powell, one possible heir apparent to the Q empire, dismissed some of the most popular Q memes at a Dallas Q convention. “There are no military tribunals that’s magically going to solve this problem for us,” she said.

And though Q used to urge followers to “trust the plan,” Powell announced, "I don't have any evidence that there's some grand underlying plan.”

With Jan. 6 still fresh in our minds, and with the cultural ascendancy of next-gen conspiracists such as Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) and Louie Gohmert (R-Texas), it’s easy to miss evidence that QAnon’s power is waning.

It’s a blindness akin to believing in Trump’s inescapable indomitability, even though he lost the White House and has been de-platformed.

After a grueling period of pandemic and political violence, citizens experience societal trauma. We become hypervigilant. And we’re liable to panic about the wrong things.

Believe it: QAnon’s coherence, allure and leadership are over. Trump has retired. Many QAnoners are now behind bars.

Of course, that's not the end of dangers posed by fanatical groups. It might not be QAnon next time, but extremist ideologies and paranoid fantasies will always captivate the dispossessed.

And if we're still battling a cult that's defeated, we're in strategic trouble. Not only will we have failed to learn from Q's unraveling, but we also won't be able to recognize the next catastrophe, let alone prevent it.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/heffernan-reports-qanons-death-arent-100040883.html

 

GO RV, then BV

[Shabibilicious]

13 minutes ago, Pitcher said:

That’s what I thought.  Can’t or won’t defend Biden.  How can you.  

 

Carry on Trump Trump Trump.  

 

Pathetic paid shill

 

You wanna talk trash about Biden....feel free to start a thread to do just that, as this thread is about the Q phenomenon, not President Biden.  And you've made that accusation about me being a paid shill a number of times....Yet every time I mention I've been a member here for years prior to the rise of Trump, you simply ignore it and move on.  Now would be a good time to do the same before embarrassing yourself further.  As always, just my opinion.

 

GO RV, then BV

[Pitcher]

Good,  I got a reaction.  Would you like to prove you aren’t a paid shill.

 

You probably can’t just like Trump can’t defend himself against the 100’s of insane accusations the Dems threw at him daily.  

 

The only one embarrassing himself is you posting Q stories.  What are you afraid of?  The Bogey Man.  Trump is gone!!   The only one embarrassing himself is you spending 4 years spreading Lies like the Russian Collusion Story.  

 

I will debate you or argue against your one sided rhetoric any time anywhere.  

 

I choose to pop in every now and then because, frankly, you really aren’t worth my time.  

 

How about proving you arent a paid shill!!

["Fred"]