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3 hours ago, bigwave said:

My "Weak Mind" see that this flight path makes way more sense:

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Than this:

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Why fly thousands of miles out of the way?

 

BTW, I never said I was the sharpest tack in the box. I'm just the son of a dang ol' Okie....

 

Only reason the flight path goes to the US is If you need to.

Quantum goes directly to SA when needed. 

 

Also any path you take drawn on a flat paper does not show a true path. 

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5 minutes ago, bigwave said:

perspective 

 

So, WHY, pray tell, did YOU post a picture PROVING THEE Earth IS SPHERICAL (geoidal) IN SHAPE???!!!

 

Flat Earth "believers" CAN NOT EVEN LIE CONSISTENTLY AND PROVE Flat Earth IS A LIE!!!

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7 ways to prove the earth is round

erik_frenz.jpg?width=30&height=30&name=erik_frenz.jpg Posted by Erik Frenz | Published March 30, 2018, 09:00

 

The very round earth; image courtesy of iStock

There are few certainties in life: death, taxes, and the sun's rising in the east and setting in the west. Or does it rise on the left and set on the right?

Lately, as flat-Earth theorists have become more vocal, it seems as though people are more frequently asking questions of that very nature, and the movement is gaining ground. (Just this week, a flat-earth believer launched himself into space in a homemade rocket in an effort to disprove the round-Earth theory.) These questions go against every logical explanation of what we know to be true about our planet: mainly, that it is sphere-shaped and orbits the sun.

The rise in visibility of flat-Earth theories might be a product of what's rapidly becoming known as the "post-fact/post-truth era" in our society, in which an untruth repeated enough times becomes truth by groupthink. However, these theories existed long before the 2016 election cycle and have outlasted counterarguments from Aristotle, Ferdinand Magellan, NASA, and most rational-thinking humans.

Too often, the discourse about the shape of Earth becomes about proving negatives and centers on explaining that something isn't true rather than proving that it is. Indeed, the burden should be on flat-Earth theorists to explain clearly why their theories are correct and to use science to back those claims.

Fortunately, for every idea on why Earth might be flat, there is physical evidence that proves Earth is definitely globular. Here's a bunch of that evidence, and you don't even need to spend $1 million to launch yourself into space.

 

1. Watch a ship sail off to sea

Without being in the sky, it is impossible to see the curvature of the Earth. However, you can always see a demonstration of this if you visit a harbor or any place with a wide-open view of the water.

If you are able to watch a ship sail off to sea, watch its mast and flag as it fades off into the distance. You will notice that, in fact, it does not "fade off into the distance" at all; instead, you will see its mast and flag appear to slowly sink. The ship sailed beyond the point at which you would see it. Just to be sure, bring a pair of binoculars with you so that you can see even farther off into the distance.

It's as if you're watching it go over to the other side of a hill. This phenomenon can only be explained by a sphere-shaped planet.

 

2. Watch a lunar eclipse

Solar eclipses get all the attention, but if you are able to catch a glimpse of a lunar eclipse, you can see evidence that the Earth is, indeed, round. Here's how it works: Earth passes between the moon and sun, so that the sun projects Earth’s shadow onto the Moon in the night sky. You've probably seen a partial lunar eclipse without even noticing it; if the moon looks orange, that's a sign of a lunar eclipse. If you've ever seen a total lunar eclipse, you probably noticed that the shadow did not look like this.

 

A round shadow crossed over a round object. This does not sound like a thing that would happen if we were on a plane with all of the celestial bodies simply hovering overhead—or, perhaps more assinine, if the sun were orbiting Earth and not vice versa. The last total lunar eclipse took place on January 31, 2018, but it was not visible in most of the United States. Fear not, as you only have to wait a few months for one that will be visible in the Americas on July 27, 2018.
 

3. Climb a tree

Imagine a vast plane with but one tree smack in the middle. If the earth were flat, your vision would extend exactly as far while standing at the base of the tree as it would when at the top of the tree. However, the farther you climb, the farther your line of sight will extend to the horizon.

That's because parts of Earth that were concealed from view by its curvature are now revealed because your position has changed.

 

 

Back to the vast plane. The naked eye can see objects that are millions of miles away in space. Theoretically, with a clear line of sight on a clear night, one would also be able to see bright lights from far-away cities. That this is not possible is further evidence of a round, not flat, Earth.

 

4. Travel through, or even within, different time zones

According to a 2008 paper in Applied Optics by David K. Lynch, the curvature of the earth becomes somewhat visible at an elevation of 35,000 feet (with a >60° field of view) and more easily visible at an elevation of 50,000 feet. So if you're on the right commercial flight, you might be able to see the curvature of the earth with your own two eyes.

In the event that you're not high enough, though, you can still experience the curvature of the earth another way. For example, if you were to fly all the way around the world, you'd find that it would be nighttime in part of the world and daytime in another part. In that way, the existence of time zones itself is proof that the Earth is round.

Taken another way, you wouldn't even need to travel through different time zones. Time zones are wide enough that you will see the sun rising and/or setting later in the western part of a time zone than in the eastern part. According to the Farmers' Almanac, the sun will rise and set roughly four minutes later for every 70 miles you drive from east to west.

If you wanted to combine this experiment with the previous one, you could note how much more of Earth you can see when you begin your ascent into the air than you can while you are sitting on the tarmac waiting to take off.

 

5. Watch a sunset

Pick a nice spot from which you can watch a sunset (we'll call this point A). Ideally, you'd have a clear horizon in front of you, and behind you would be some sort of elevated point that you can quickly access (a hill, a building with at least two floors, or perhaps the aforementioned tree; we'll call this point B).

Watch the sunset from point A, and once the sun is out of sight, hurry on over to point B. With the added elevation provided by point B, you should be able to see the sun above the horizon. If Earth were flat, the sun would not be visible at any elevation once it had set. Because Earth is round, the sun will come back into your line of sight.

If you don't have a hill, you could even try lying on your stomach to watch the sunset and then standing up to get a higher line of sight.

 

6. Measure shadows across the country

Pick two locations that are some distance apart (at least a couple hundred miles from each other and on the same meridian). Grab two sticks or dowels (or other objects) of equal length, two tape measures, and a friend. Each of you will take one stick/dowel/object and one tape measure to your location, stick the object into the ground, and measure the shadow. (For accuracy, you should both take your measurements at the same time of day.)

On a flat Earth, the shadow that is cast by each would be of the same length. However, if you and your friend compare notes, you'll find that one shadow was longer than the other. That's because, due to the curvature of Earth, the sun will hit one part of Earth at one angle and another part of Earth at a different angle even at the same time of day.

This experiment has been around since about 240 B.C., when Greek mathematician Eratosthenes compared the shadows cast in both Syene—now Aswan, Egypt—and Alexandria on the summer solstice. Eratosthenes had learned of a well in Syene where once a year on the summer solstice, the sun would illuminate the entire bottom of the well and tall buildings and other objects would not cast a shadow. However, he noticed that shadows were being cast on the summer solstice in Alexandria, so he measured the angle of the shadow and found it to be an angle of about 7.2°.

 

7. Google "International Space Station photos"

Seriously, just look at some of the amazing photos you’ll find.

There appears to be quite the curvature there.

Sometimes, seeing is believing, and one's own research can be the best evidence, whether that's taking the time to do your own investigating or simply searching for the results of others who have run their own experiments.

Correction: A previous version of this article mistakenly referenced solar eclipses, where the Moon passes between Earth and the Sun, instead of lunar eclipses, where the Earth passes between the Moon and Sun. The text has been updated. The author apologizes for the error.

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Just now, bigwave said:

For the same reason I posted Mario:

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So, WHY, pray tell, DOES THE PHOTOSHOPPED PHOTO SHOW A SPHERICAL (geoidal) Earth???!!!

 

5 minutes ago, Synopsis said:

Flat Earth "believers" CAN NOT EVEN LIE CONSISTENTLY AND PROVE Flat Earth IS A LIE!!!

 

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13 minutes ago, nstoolman1 said:

Only reason the flight path goes to the US is If you need to.

Quantum goes directly to SA when needed. 

AA shows this:

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Quantum Shows this:

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The return gives options:

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I guess I ain't as smart as the airline people.

 

Like I said earlier in this thread - If and when the dinar goes off I buying a balloon, getting a camera and take bets from any and all ballers and we will see....

 

Peace brother,

 

Come on RV. 

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10 easy ways you can tell for yourself that the Earth is not flat

The evidence is right in front of you.

BY MORIEL SCHOTTLENDER JANUARY 26, 2016

Earth From The ISS

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This story was originally published on Smarter Than That in 2008. We are republishing a lightly edited version on Popular Science in light of recent interest in the subject.

Humanity has known Earth is round for a few millenia, and I’ve been meaning to show more methods that prove the world is not flat. I’ve had a few ideas on how to do that, but recently got an interesting incentive, when Phil Plait, The Bad Astronomer, wrote about a recently published BBC article about “The Flat Earth” society. (Most recently, rapper B.o.B. went on a Twitter rant on the topic.) Phil claims it’s ridiculous to even bother rebutting the Flat Earth Society—and I tend to agree. But the history of our species’ intellectual pursuit is important and interesting. You don’t need to denounce all science and knowledge and believe in a kooky conspiracy theory to enjoy some historical factoids about humanity’s quest for space.

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Earth From The ISS

The curvature of the Earth is visible in this 2014 photo, which ESA astronaut Samantha Cristoforetti snapped from the International Space Station.

On we go, to the top 10 ways to know the Earth is unequivocally, absolutely, positively, 100% not flat!

1. The Moon

Now that humanity knows quite positively that the Moon is not a piece of cheese or a playful god, the phenomena that accompany it (from its monthly cycles to lunar eclipses) are well-explained. It was quite a mystery to the ancient Greeks, though, and in their quest for knowledge, they came up with a few insightful observations that helped humanity figure out the shape of our planet.

Aristotle (who made quite a lot of observations about the spherical nature of the Earth) noticed that during lunar eclipses (when the Earth’s orbit places it directly between the Sun and the Moon, creating a shadow in the process), the shadow on the Moon’s surface is round. This shadow is the planet’s, and it’s a great clue about the spherical shape of the Earth.

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Lunar eclipse

A sequential view of the lunar eclipse that occurred on April 15, 2014. You can see Earth’s shadow crossing the face of the Moon, and the shadow’s shape is curved because Earth is spherical.

Since the earth is rotating (see the “Foucault Pendulum” experiment for a definite proof, if you are doubtful), the consistent oval-shadow it produces in each and every lunar eclipse proves that the earth is not only round but spherical—absolutely, utterly, beyond a shadow of a doubt not flat.

2. Ships and the horizon

If you’ve been next to a port lately, or just strolled down a beach and stared off vacantly into the horizon, you might have noticed a very interesting phenomenon: Approaching ships do not just “appear” out of the horizon (like they should have if the world was flat), but rather seem to emerge from beneath the sea.

But—you say—ships do not submerge and rise up again as they approach our view (except in Pirates of the Caribbean, but we are hereby assuming that was a fictitious movie series). The reason ships appear as if they “emerge from the waves” is because the world is not flat: It’s round.

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Ant on an orange

What you would see if you watched an ant crawling toward you over a curved surface.

Imagine an ant walking along the surface of an orange, into your field of view. If you look at the orange “head on”, you will see the ant’s body slowly rising up from the “horizon” because of the curvature of the orange. If you would do that experiment with the ant approaching along a long road rather than a round object, the effect would change: The ant would slowly “materialize” into view (depending on how sharp your vision is).

3. Varying star constellations

This observation was originally made by Aristotle (384-322 BCE), who declared the Earth was round judging from the different constellations one sees while moving away from the equator.

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On a round planet

Stargazing on a round Earth

After returning from a trip to Egypt, Aristotle noted, “There are stars seen in Egypt and…Cyprus which are not seen in the northerly regions.” This phenomenon can only be explained if humans were viewing the stars from a round surface, Aristotle continued, claiming that the sphere of the Earth is “of no great size, for otherwise the effect of so slight a change of place would not be quickly apparent.” (De caelo, 298a2-10)

The farther you go from the equator, the farther the “known” constellations go towards the horizon, to be replaced by different stars. This would not have happened if the world was flat:

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On a flat plane

Stargazing on a flat Earth

4. Shadows and sticks

If you stick a stick in the (sticky) ground, it will produce a shadow. The shadow moves as time passes (which is the principle for ancient Shadow Clocks). If the world had been flat, then two sticks in different locations would produce the same shadow:

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Stick shadows on a flat Earth

Imagine the Sun’s rays (represented by yellow lines) hitting two sticks (white lines) some distance apart. If the Earth were flat, the resulting shadows would be the same length, no matter how far apart you place the sticks.

But they don’t. This is because the Earth is round, and not flat:

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Stick shadows on a round Earth

Because the Earth is round, sticks placed at distant locations will throw shadows of different lengths.

Eratosthenes (276-194 BCE) used this principle to calculate the circumference of the Earth quite accurately. To see this demonstrated, refer to my experiment video about Eratosthenes and the circumference of the Earth.

5. Seeing farther from higher

Standing on a flat plateau, you look ahead toward the horizon. You strain your eyes, then take out your favorite binoculars and stare through them, as far as your eyes (with the help of the binocular lenses) can see.

Next, climb up the closest tree—the higher the better, just be careful not to drop those binoculars and break their lenses. Then look again, strain your eyes, and stare through the binoculars out to the horizon.

The higher up you climb, the farther you will see. Usually, we tend to relate this to Earthly obstacles—like the fact we have houses or other trees obstructing our vision on the ground, and climbing upwards we have a clear view—but that’s not the true reason. Even if you stood on a completely clear plateau with no obstacles between you and the horizon, you would see much farther from the greater height than you would on the ground.

This phenomenon is caused by the curvature of the Earth as well, and would not happen if the Earth was flat:

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Point of view on a flat Earth

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Point of view on a round Earth

How far can you see from a height? On a round Earth, elevation makes a big difference.

6. Ride a plane

If you’ve ever taken a trip out of the country, specifically long-distance trips, you could notice two interesting facts about planes and the Earth:

  1. Planes can travel in a relatively straight line for a very long time and not fall off any edges. They can also circle the Earth without stopping.
  2. If you look out the window on a trans-Atlantic flight, you can, most of the times, see the curvature of the Earth on the horizon. The best view of the curvature used to be on the Concorde, but that plane’s long gone. I can’t wait to see the pictures from the new plane by Virgin Galactic—the horizon should look absolutely curved, as it actually is from a distance.

7. Look at other planets

The Earth is different from other planets, that much is true. After all, we have life, and we haven’t found any other planets with life (yet). However, there are certain characteristics all planets have, and it will be quite logical to assume that if all planets behave a certain way, or show certain characteristics—specifically if those planets are in different places or were created under different circumstances—our planet is the same.

In other words: If so many planets that were created in different locations and under different circumstances show the same property, it’s likely that our own planet has the same property as well. All of our observations show that other planets are spherical (and since we know how they’re created, it’s also obvious why they take this shape). Unless we have a very good reason to think otherwise (which we don’t), our planet is very likely the same.

In 1610, Galileo Galilei observed the moons of Jupiter rotating around it. He described them as small planets orbiting a larger planet—a description (and observation) that was very difficult for the church to accept, as it challenged a geocentric model where everything was supposed to revolve around the Earth. This observation also showed that the planets (Jupiter, Neptune, and later Venus was observed too) are all spherical, and all orbit the sun.

A flat planet (ours or any other planet) would be such an incredible observation that it would pretty much go against everything we know about how planets form and behave. It would not only change everything we know about planet formation, but also about star formation (our sun would have to behave quite differently to accommodate the flat-earth theory) and what we know of speeds and movements in space (like planets’ orbits and the effects of gravity). In short, we don’t just suspect that our planet is spherical. We know it.

 
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8. The existence of time zones

The time in New York, at the moment these words are written, is 12:00pm. The sun is in the middle of the sky (though it’s hard to see with the current cloud coverage). In Beijing, it’s 12:00am, midnight, and the sun is nowhere to be found. In Adelaide, Australia, it is 1:30am. More than 13 hours ahead. There, the sunset is long gone—so much so, that the sun will soon rise up again at the beginning of a new day.

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Time zones

We have time zones because when the Sun is illuminating one side of the spherical Earth, the other side is dark.

This can only be explained if the world is round, and rotating around its own axis. At a certain point when the sun is shining on one part of the Earth, the opposite side is dark, and vice versa. That allows for time differences and time zones, specifically ones that are larger than 12 hours.

Another point concerning timezones, the sun, and Earth: If the sun was a “spotlight” (very directionally located so that light only shines on a specific location) and the world was flat, we would see the sun even if it didn’t shine on top of us (as you can see in the drawing below). Similarly, you can see the light coming out of a spotlight on a stage in the theater, even though you—the crowd—are sitting in the dark. The only way to create two distinctly separate time zones, where there is complete darkness in one while there’s light in the other, is if the world is spherical.

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The “sun as spotlight” theory

The visibility of a spotlight in a darkened theater should debunk the “sun as spotlight” theory.

9. The pull of gravity

Here’s an interesting fact about mass: It attracts things to it. The force of attraction (gravity) between two objects depends on their mass and the distance between them. Simply said, gravity will pull toward the center of mass of the objects. To find the center of mass, you have to examine the object.

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A sphere’s center of mass

On a sphere’s surface, gravity will pull you toward the sphere’s center of mass: straight down.

Consider a sphere. Since a sphere has a consistent shape, no matter where on it you stand, you have exactly the same amount of sphere under you. (Imagine an ant walking around on a crystal ball. From the insect’s point of view, the only indication of movement would be the fact the ant is moving its feet—the shape of the surface would not change at all.) A sphere’s center of mass is in the center of the sphere, which means gravity will pull anything on the surface of the sphere straight down toward the center of the sphere. This will occur no matter where on the surface the object is located.

Consider a flat plane. The center of mass of a flat plane is in its center, so the force of gravity will pull anything on the surface toward the middle of the plane. That means that if you stand on the edge of the plane, gravity will be pulling you sideways toward the plane’s middle, not straight down like you usually experience when you stand on Earth.

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A plane’s center of mass

A plane’s center of mass is in its middle—which means that gravity should pull objects toward the center of the plane.

I am quite positive that, even for Australians, an apple falls downwards, not sideways. But if you have your doubts, I urge you to try dropping something—just make sure it’s nothing that can break or hurt you.

For further reading about the center of mass and distribution of mass, check out this link. And if you are brave enough to handle some equations (not involving integration), you can learn more about Newton’s Law of Universal Gravitation here.

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10. Images from space

In the past 60 years of space exploration, we’ve launched satellites, probes, and people into space. Some of them got back, some of them still float through the solar system (and almost beyond it), and many transmit amazing images to our receivers on Earth. In all of these photos, the Earth is (wait for it) spherical. The curvature of the Earth is also visible in the many, many, many, many photos snapped by astronauts aboard the International Space Station. You can see a recent example from ISS Commander Scott Kelly‘s Instagram right here:

You know what they say—a picture is worth a thousand diss tracks.

Moriel Schottlender is a software engineer at Wikimedia Foundation. This article was originally posted on her Smarter Than That blog in 2008.

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9 minutes ago, Slave2Spartacus said:

What About this One.?

 

 

 

 

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:facepalm3:   :facepalm3:   :facepalm3:

 

 :shakehead:     :shakehead:     :shakehead:

 

COMPLETELY STUPID!!!

 

THIS IS ONLY AN "artist's" RENDITION OF A FANTASY!!!

 

1 minute ago, bigwave said:

AA shows this:

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Quantum Shows this:

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The return gives options:

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I guess I ain't as smart as the airline people.

 

Like I said earlier in this thread - If and when the dinar goes off I buying a balloon, getting a camera and take bets from any and all ballers and we will see....

 

Peace brother,

 

Come on RV. 

 

HAVE YOU STILL NO CONCEPT OF TIME ZONES ON A SPHERICAL (geoidal) SHAPED EARTH???!!!

 

The times noted are LOCAL times AND LAY OVER TIMES ARE ALSO NOTED!!!

 

:facepalm3:   :facepalm3:   :facepalm3:

 

 :shakehead:     :shakehead:     :shakehead:

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21 minutes ago, bigwave said:

AA shows this:

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Quantum Shows this:

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The return gives options:

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I guess I ain't as smart as the airline people.

 

Like I said earlier in this thread - If and when the dinar goes off I buying a balloon, getting a camera and take bets from any and all ballers and we will see....

 

Peace brother,

 

Come on RV. 

 

 

https://www.chimuadventures.com/blog/2016/03/flying-south-america-australia/

 

Found this. 12.5 hours to SA

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23 hours ago, nstoolman1 said:

 

Enlighten me. I see what is a 5lb note? with Churchill and a very young Queen E. the rest of the image is distorted when enlarged. 

Ok.I will.

Look at the Small Security Hologram of the Crown  top left.

When it is moved within the light The hologram reveals Several reptilian looking faces.

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2 hours ago, bigwave said:

 

J. Tolan "Destroys" the Globe Illusion!  Tolan has way more credentials than me and probably you too!

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If the earth is flat Metropolitan Water District of Southern California wasted alot of money building 5 pumping stations across the desert to get water from the Colorado River to Southern California via the aquaduct.

And still no picture of all the continents in one photo. 

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On 3/26/2021 at 10:35 PM, nstoolman1 said:

 I am going to have to see a link on those stats. I for one put on my earthly priorities wife, family and pets. Anyone else that gets in the way of those gets a one way ticket to their maker. 

I have seen plenty of pictures on line of legitimate killings and murders yet not one picture has leaked on line of any of these false flag situations. A couple of lawsuits out of many people purported to have been killed. 

To many un answered questions about Sandy Hook, Parkland, Vegas and others. 

MSM has an agenda right up there with Libs. Disarm the public. We make better subject that way. 

 

No stats, just opinion.....I don't think it's much of a stretch to believe most Americans value the lives of their own families as priority number one, now the neighbor's family, probably not so much....I imagine many staunch gun rights folk care more about their guns than their neighbors well being.  Again, this is just my opinion.

 

GO RV, then BV

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On 3/27/2021 at 8:29 AM, ladyGrace'sDaddy said:

I espoused only the definition of false flag and why you don't like it, The rest is pure conjecture on your part. You do this to make things fit your world view regardless of the truth. As @nstoolman1 stated above, where are the links for your stats?

And don't even begin to place me (the staunchest anti abortion person you know) in your mindset about death. 

 

My mistake....as I should have concluded that post with "as always, just my opinion"

 

GO RV, then BV

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2 minutes ago, Shabibilicious said:

 

No stats, just opinion.....I don't think it's much of a stretch to believe most Americans value the lives of their own families as priority number one, now the neighbor's family, probably not so much....I imagine many staunch gun rights folk care more about their guns than their neighbors well being.  Again, this is just my opinion.

 

GO RV, then BV

 

That may apply to some city people but not here in rural America. Every American should be concerned about their "gun rights". It is about to be stripped away if the left has its way. Once the 2nd is removed the others won't be far behind. That doesn't concern you or you would not have supported Biden. 

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4 minutes ago, nstoolman1 said:

 

That may apply to some city people but not here in rural America. Every American should be concerned about their "gun rights". It is about to be stripped away if the left has its way. Once the 2nd is removed the others won't be far behind. That doesn't concern you or you would not have supported Biden. 

 

I remember that frantic mantra coming from the Right quite well during President Obama's tenure.....All that really happened was more guns were sold, and more innocent Americans were slaughtered by deranged mental cases with no business having gun ownership.

 

GO RV, then BV

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